Caesar Dextro sal.

"Do think that I paid $44,00 to be insulted or attacked everywhere I meet you and Cn. Caesar. This certainly makes your insults above prey and precious. Even the praetor does not put you under moderation, perhaps he does not understand the idiomatic speech to understand them, me too I did not understand them but a native American speaker is seeking them and will translate them to me. I will see. "

Is this the same Dexter who in the elections of 2011 vilified Aeternia horrendously, constantly, insulted her, attacked her character without provocation, and then proceeded to explain it all away as the norm in Roman politics? 

Is this the same Dexter who was exceptionally critical of my paper Nova Roma Reborn, but I highly suspect has never read it cover to cover - or maybe any of it (after all he won't read and digest a pontifical decretum - so why expect anything else), and who proceeded to insinuate all sorts of drivel and half-baked interpretations during that election about that paper and myself? 

Is this the same Dexter who spent all of last year in the Senate engaged in the same sort of attacks, not just on myself but on anyone who voted for any Senatus consultum I put before the senate he didn't like and who has continued this behavior this year with Sulla?

Is this the same Dexter who continued to insult Aeternia, his praetorial colleague, for her whole year, at every opportunity, in the Senate, in their joint cohors - which I hear from others was a dismal joyless place to toil away in, all the while his staff waiting for him to have his next melt-down?

No it cannot be the same Dexter! You sir, whoever you are, are obviously a feeble clone of the real Dexter. The original Dexter must have been abducted by aliens and instead this weak facsimile who complains about being "attacked" has now replaced him.

Attacked with what? Facts? Decreta? The inactivity of the Collegium under your care and ministration? Oh my.... shocking... Yes, actually it is shocking that you have the utter gall to accumulate century points and you can't even be bothered to read your own decreta. In fact you WON'T read them. You insisted on avoiding reading it until Sabinus explained it here in this forum, then you had no choice but to accept it for you dare not attack him, and now on your CP list you are admitting that you may need a vote and decretum to appoint Caeca as VVM after all, but you just don't have the stones do you to say "Ok, I was wrong, you were right". Nope. You keep that comment tucked away on the CP list out of public sight. You admit there that you need a decretum to appoint her, but not here. How gutless. 

Now instead of Dexter the attack poodle, we have Dexter the "victim". Victim?? Bah! Oh come now, you clone of the real and lovable little chappy we all know, you moan about spending $44,00? You haven't even been fed a spoonful of your own medicine. Yours is elitist sneering, peering down your nose at Americans, bringing national prejudices into a Roman forum. Insulting Sulla's heritage. Victim?? Bah!   

Should I too complain about having to put up with you consistently pontificating, ascribing false motives to me last year, this year and no doubt for all eternity, all the time perched on top of your wobbly Catonian soapbox, rending your toga and pulling your hair out bemoaning all the un-Roman Senatus consulta? Well Dexter, no danger you will ever do anything un-Roman, for to risk that you actually would have to do something in the first place, and we have clearly established you don't have the ability for that, any more than you have the guts to admit your were utterly wrong about not having to appoint Caeca as VVM.

If you truly don't like the attention you are getting, step down as pontifex maximus and let someone like Metellus have a crack at the role. I have no doubt he would have you all organized in a jiffy. If you truly haven't found the experience of being held to account pleasurable, do something to avoid it. W O R K. That too is obviously alien. Start processing citizen applications on time, and giving feedback on those applications in equally a timely fashion. Start reconstructing in a serious and earnest manner.  

Oh, by the way - you can take your translations when they arrive of what Sulla and I have said to you, and run off to the praetor clutching them - you insufferable boring hypocrite. They are far less, far more moderate than anything you dish out to others.

Optime vale




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From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Revision - Strike out Section III - Lex Arminia de Fovenda Lingua Latina



 
C. Petronius L. Cornelio Sullae consuli sine collega salutem,

We have a Forum very busy and noisy... so unfortunately this escaped to me:

As I said since 2 years in the senate we have to lower the tax amounts! Do think that I paid $44,00 to be insulted or attacked everywhere I meet you and Cn. Caesar. This certainly makes your insults above prey and precious. Even the praetor does not put you under moderation, perhaps he does not understand the idiomatic speech to understand them, me too I did not understand them but a native American speaker is seeking them and will translate them to me. I will see. Finally the idiomatic speech must be too translated in English, if only the BA gang may understand your humour it is a pity, is'n it?

But to come back to the subject, we have to reduce the amount of the taxes. In despite of your cupidity, Sulla. We need less money than more assidui. Do not forget that an assiduus is not only a taxpayer but rather and above all a possible active citizen. We need more active citizens as magistrates. But the tax's amounts are too expansive to grow the number of assidui and may prevent volunteers and good will.

But I guess that the lack of volunteers is not only a question of money, I wonder who wants to work in a such hateful organization? Nova Roma must not become the Back Alley's copy. Even above prey and precious insults remain insults. And we learned the bad news that the ornament of the Senate, a pilar of it I must say, the honorable senator Marcus Audens has preferred to leave the Senate!

BTW: Do you think to convene the Comitia to elect your missing colleague? We get you as sole consul since more than 6 months... do not you feel alone?

BTW2: On the revision and strike out section III of the Lex Armenia de fovenda lingua Latina, People of Nova Roma, please, vote: NO.

Optime vale et valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Idibus Quintilibus MMDCCLXVI

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Ave

Pass this law and I will feel more confident that there will be no side stepping of the tax! Then we can start lowering the tax!

I cannot risk nova Roma's solvency for your own personal pride and motivation Dexter!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@... Sent: Mon Jul 15 02:30:03 MST 2013
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Revision - Strike out Section III - Lex Arminia de Fovenda Lingua Latina




C. Petronius L. Cornelio Sullae consuli sine collega salutem,

We have a Forum very busy and noisy... so unfortunately this escaped to me:

As I said since 2 years in the senate we have to lower the tax amounts! Do think that I paid $44,00 to be insulted or attacked everywhere I meet you and Cn. Caesar. This certainly makes your insults above prey and precious. Even the praetor does not put you under moderation, perhaps he does not understand the idiomatic speech to understand them, me too I did not understand them but a native American speaker is seeking them and will translate them to me. I will see. Finally the idiomatic speech must be too translated in English, if only the BA gang may understand your humour it is a pity, is'n it?

But to come back to the subject, we have to reduce the amount of the taxes. In despite of your cupidity, Sulla. We need less money than more assidui. Do not forget that an assiduus is not only a taxpayer but rather and above all a possible active citizen. We need more active citizens as magistrates. But the tax's amounts are too expansive to grow the number of assidui and may prevent volunteers and good will.

But I guess that the lack of volunteers is not only a question of money, I wonder who wants to work in a such hateful organization? Nova Roma must not become the Back Alley's copy. Even above prey and precious insults remain insults. And we learned the bad news that the ornament of the Senate, a pilar of it I must say, the honorable senator Marcus Audens has preferred to leave the Senate!

BTW: Do you think to convene the Comitia to elect your missing colleague? We get you as sole consul since more than 6 months... do not you feel alone?

BTW2: On the revision and strike out section III of the Lex Armenia de fovenda lingua Latina, People of Nova Roma, please, vote: NO.

Optime vale et valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Idibus Quintilibus MMDCCLXVI

Laterensis Caecae omnibusque S.P.D.


I agree, it probably would be more productive to start over.  Caeca's right in that we have gained new citizens since then, and a fresh start would make it easier on them.  Also, on a more selfish note, I didn't follow the ML quite as closely during the original discussion as I do now.  A fresh start to the discussion would benefit me as well.


Optime valete!


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From: cmc <c.mariacaeca@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] On Being Roman



 
Salve valeriane et omnes!

You know, it's been a while since we had that discussion, and I wonder if it
might be productive to begin again, from the beginning instead of continuing
where we left off. We have gained some new citizens since we stopped, and,
while they could find the original thread in the archives and add to it, we
might get more discussion with a fresh start.

Vale et valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca




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Ave,

This is one of those threads should, with regularity, restart itself after
every 5 or 6 months.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Avete Pontiffs and Omnes,

With the announcement that the Senate has done what the Collegium
Pontificum has failed to do, (establish basic administrative procedures) I
am very pleased that the Senate felt that the SC was reasonable and the
steps listed in the SC were also adequate to address the flaws that have
been pointed out within the CP.

Now with the passage of the SC, it is time to implement those simple
procedures into the CP and in the CP files section.

The CP, must appoint one of its number (even including the Vestal - should
they do so - that is acceptable) to oversee the implementation of those
simple administrative procedures. And, it should only take maybe 15 mins
to create the two databases the SC requires. Also, once implemented they
must be consistently followed by the members of the College today forward.

To assist the CP in completing this, I give the CP my hand out to them to
assist them to create those databases. All they need to do is to accept my
offer.

To ensure that the CP has enough time to develop the spreadsheets and
quickly to appoint someone to essentially be a secretary and comply with
the SC fully and completely I believe 30 days is more than reasonable of a
time-frame to ensure full compliance. 30 days is more than enough time for
ANY organizational body to meet the reasonable requirements that the Senate
passed. 30 days in which The People of Nova Roma will be watching to see
what the CP does. 30 days or face escalating consequences for failure to
comply. 30 days.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

______

Copy of the Tribune Report quoting the results of this specific item:

Item V - Senatus Consulta on the Collegium Pontificum:

Yes: 12
No: 3
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: UTI ROGAS - "It is with great sadness I see this item returning to
the Senate and since I don't believe any action will be taken I have to
vote in favor if this proposal."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "While every SC is important - I believe this one, is
probably one of the most important SC's promulgated in this agenda. All
of Nova Roma is starting to grow again and become more involved with the
noted exception of the CP and this is a true shame. The CP should, even
slowly reflect on its lack of activity and progress compared to the rest
of the organization and take constructive steps to address that, but
instead many (not all) members have addressed side issues (important as
they might be) but failed to address the direct concerns of the Senatus
Consulta. After pulling this agenda item last month with the assistance
of Pontiff/Senator Sabinus there has been no constructive effort to
address and resolve the aforementioned issues that were discussed on the
ML/Senate. Now, it is brought back for consideration and I urge every
senator to vote for this Senatus Consulta. It is time the CP join the
rest of Nova Roma in becoming a more responsive body that serves the
Community as much as it serves the Gods. Let me repeat, I do not want a
Catholic Church version of Roman Paganism (I didn't even think that was
possible), but I do want a CP that actually recognizes it has a place in
the the Nova Roman Community!"

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS - "This item should have NEVER came up on the Senate
Agenda let alone a second time. My first instinct was to vote no on
this agenda and let the CP sort itself out. But after monitoring the
behaviors of the Pontiff's on their own list, its for very hard for them
to come up with decisions based upon group solidarity. Within the
Senate Chambers the Pontifex Maximus failed to sway me in keeping my
vote a "No". If anything he has demonstrated as to why there is a dire
need of Senatorial action regarding this matter. The CP needs help with
the administrative streamline process of applications. The Senate is
here to help with that process, not propose the CP to become the Vatican
Church. That is simply a misconception."

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "A reasonable person would have thought it wasn't too
much to ask of the Collegium Pontificum to introduce a process that is
administrative in nature. Apparently however it was beyond their
abilities. Therefore it falls to the Senate to introduce this, rather
than risk the continued drift away from Nova Roma by practitioners of
the religio due to such failure on the part of the CP."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS

*TIS: ANTIQUO - "The reasons are:
-This proposed SC will recreate the five years ago story (when two CP
members were considered inactive and were expelled from CP). Now the
entire CP is considered inactive from a point of view which have not any
connection with the traditional Roman duties of the CP.
-The NR Senate is composed of various religions members. They don't have
the moral right to enter in another religion business setting rules for
something they don't have any connection. "

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "The CP is not a church neither an enterprise, it must
stay the place of the wises in the Roman Religion. The reasons advanced
for this SC are a gross manoeuver for Sulla to put his nose in the CP
affairs, but as the Constitution grants it the CP follows and redacts
its own rules and processes."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "This one was very difficult for me. I have mixed
feelings on the matter to say the least - I strongly feel that the
religious colleges should get their own houses in order without outside
interference. However, that has not been happening to any visible
extent. Worse, having negotiated a chance to take this off the table
last session so that such progress could be undertaken, that chance
seems to have been squandered. Despite my wish that I could vote against
this, or even abstain, I feel obliged to vote "uti rogas" on this one. I
wish that were not necessary."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "I support this as it was worded more as a suggested
method, rather than as a fiat."

*CVA: ANTIQUO


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Petrus Augustinus salutem dicit.
 
I wish to express my appreciation and that of my fellow Roman legionnaires to the Senate for its decision regarding legion sponsorship.   This will go a long way toward cementing the friendship of Nova Roma and legion re-enactors around the world.   We all look forward to a fruitful relationship.
 
And I wish to give my personal thanks to the Senate for approving sponsorship of the Texas legion.   The legionnaires and ladies of Legio Tredecim Gemina salute you.
 
Valete optime.   
 
Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Praefectus Legionis
Legio Tredecim Gemina
 


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From: M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:51 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Report of Senate session closed on 9 July 2013

 

Marcus Pompeius Caninus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD

Senate Voting Results published on 11 July 2013 - a.d. V Id. Quin.
MMDCCLXVI A.U.C.

PRESIDING MAGISTRATE:
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, Consul

SCHEDULE:
09:00 PM MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME 17th- June-2013 : Call to order. Debate
period commences.
09:00 PM MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME 2nd-July-2013 : Debate period ends.
09:01 PM MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME 3rd-July-2013 : Call to vote. Voting
period commences.
09:01 PM MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME 8th-July-2013 : Voting period ends.
11:59 PM MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME 9th-July-2013 : Call to close issued
before this time.

AGENDA FOR VOTING:
I. Legion Sponsorship - carry over from last month (Debate + Vote)
II. Sponsorship of Legion in Texas (Debate & Vote)
III. Senatus Consulta on Leave of Absence (Debate & vote)
IV. Senatus Consulta on Corporate Compliance (Discussion & Vote)
V. Senatus Consulta on the Collegium Pontificum - Carry over from last
month (Discussion & Vote)
VI. Senatus Consulta on Century Points for Princeps Senatus (Discussion
& Vote)
VII. Senatus Consulta on the Leges Salicia (Discussion & Vote)

Quorum was achieved.

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
tallied as shown below.

The following 15 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in
time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in
alphabetical order by nomen:

CAC C. Aemilius Crassus
LCSF L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
MCGG M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
SCVJA Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia
TiGP Ti. Galerius Paulinus
CnIC Cn. Iulius Caesar
DeIPI De. Iunius Palladius Invictus
TIS T. Iulius Sabinus
MMA M. Minucius Audens
CMC C. Marcius Crispus
CPD C. Petronius Dexter
QSP Q. Suetonius Paulinus
CTVG C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus
PUSV P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
CVA C. Vipsanius Agrippa

The following 2 senators or voting members of the Senate did not cast a
vote or did not cast a vote on time:

MCJ M. Cassius Julianus
LECA L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur

In the voting results shown below "UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor
of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open
abstention.

_______

Item 1: Legion Sponsorship:

Yes: 14
No: 1
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC : UTI ROGAS - "A important measure for Nova Roma and hopefully will
lead to a return of good relationships with the reenactment community."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "I believe this is the first of a few steps that will
address an important link within the Nova Roman community to strengthen
the ties between Nova Roma and the Reenactment community. This proposal
was endorsed unanimously by the Sodalitas Militarum and I believe will
serve as an important link in the ties that bind the Reenactment Legions
and Nova Roma."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS - "As someone who has been involved in the
Re-Enactment community all of my childhood and a great deal of my adult
life. I believe this to be a step in the right direction. My thanks to
all parties involved."

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "I am very pleased to see this item and the one that
follows on the agenda. Nova Roma has over the years lost touch with an
exceptionally important part of its community, which in turn finding
little official support of a meaningful manner, drifted away. I hope
that this is the start of rebuilding the relationship between Nova Roma
and the legions."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS

*TIS: UTI ROGAS

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "As this sponsoring is free and does not request this
legion to make its the colour of NR, a Senatus Consultum is not
necessary. Just the agreement of the Sodalitas seems enough."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "I have said many times allowing the ties between
Nova Roma and the Roman reenactment community to wither was a terrible
mistake, and I believe this is a vital step in restoring and growing
Nova Roma. This has my wholehearted support."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "Having a connection between Nova Roma and those who
perform this important educational outreach is a long time goal, which
was in existence at the start and should be again."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

_______

Item II - Sponsorship of Legion in Texas:

Yes: 14
No: 1
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: UTI ROGAS - "Given the recommendation from Sodalitas Militarium I
have no doubt in voting in favor. My best wishes for great success to
the new Legion."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "I would like to thank the Sodalitas Militarum again,
in their involvement and approval of the application for this legion and
I wish everyone in the Legion the best of luck in their endeavors and
hope that over time more of the membership of the Legion will see value
in becoming members of our community."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS - "Best of the luck to this new Legion and their
endeavors to come."

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS

*TIS: UTI ROGAS

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "For the same reasons than above."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "I have been in contact with the head of this legion
(it is in my province), and I look forward to making our mutual support
official. I absolutely support this item."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "The Sodalitas Militarum is in favor of this
sponsorship, that is the positive news I need to likewise support the
idea."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

_______

Item III - Senatus Consulta on Leave of Absence:

Yes: 14
No: 1
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: ANTIQUO - "I vote against this propose not because itself in
general but because its article VII that demands a super majority of 2/3
to change or revoke. I don't have nothing against the need to have
special parts of the legislation that are more protected to change, like
the constitution, but I do believe the same level of demand should be
made to approve those legislations. This is to ask for the same level of
majority to enact as it asked to change in the future seems to be the
most elementary principle and one when not respected will lead us to
have an almost unchangeable legislation."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "This is a necessary Senatus Consulta that allows
those members of this house, some of whom, have served for years to be
able to take a break due to life and extreme events that may affect us
all and to protect their Seat in this Body. It is a common sense,
reasonable and flexible senatus consulta that is capable of addressing
every contingency."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "This will benefit the entire Senate, now and in
years to come."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS - "We have lost too many good senators over the years
because something else happened in their life and they had had to put
Nova Roma aside. Hopefully this will prevent this."

*TIS: UTI ROGAS

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: UTI ROGAS

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "This probably should have been addressed long ago.
This has my wholehearted support."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "Having needed to be on sabbatical, I support a
formal mechanism."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

_______

Item IV - Senatus Consulta on Corporate Compliance:

Yes: 13
No: 2
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: ANTIQUO - "I would like to thank Consul Sulla and Censor Caesar
for their alterations of the initial propose and I believe the final
version and being voted to be necessary to Nova Roma. The CFO of the
corporation needs to be able to refuse actions that would impair or
create liability
issues for Nova Roma with the Nova Roma Senate having the ultimate
decision if those conflict situations do appear. Sadly I have to vote
against since as I have informed the Senate and already told in my vote
for item III I can only vote in favor legislation which needs a super
majority to be changed if the same level of majority is asked for
approval and that is not the case."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "This is hopefully the last tool that the Senate
needs in its arsenal to deal decisively with any rogue future magistrate
who might choose to sabotage the organization by preventing Corporate
officers (CFO) from fulfilling their corporate responsibilities. With
this tool, the Corporation will be preserved even in the event of
possible civil discord as the Corporation will take the steps it needs
to be in compliance with Macronational law (Maine and Federal US law).
It is vital that the protections we receive from being a 501c3 not for
profit are protected. I would like to thank Caesar for his diligence in
drafting this SC and working to revise it to met the constructive
concerns voiced by the members of this House."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "A preventive measure that hopefully will not have to
be employed. The days of consuls, indeed all magistrates, leading us
down the path of ruin by ignoring the dictates of macronational laws and
regulations has to end. This process, combined with the Senate rules,
will strengthen the ability of the Senate to counter such dangerous
adventurism."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS - "For too many times Nova Roma has thought itself
above macronational law, endangering the entire organization. No
longer."

*TIS: UTI ROGAS

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "All that SC is too much vague and does not grant any
control."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "Many of Nova Roma's problems in recent memory could
have been avoided with something like this in place. I believe this is
vital for the future of Nova Roma."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "Most every company in which I own stock has a
compliance committee of the BoD, seems like a normal business practice."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

_______

Item V - Senatus Consulta on the Collegium Pontificum:

Yes: 12
No: 3
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: UTI ROGAS - "It is with great sadness I see this item returning to
the Senate and since I don't believe any action will be taken I have to
vote in favor if this proposal."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "While every SC is important - I believe this one, is
probably one of the most important SC's promulgated in this agenda. All
of Nova Roma is starting to grow again and become more involved with the
noted exception of the CP and this is a true shame. The CP should, even
slowly reflect on its lack of activity and progress compared to the rest
of the organization and take constructive steps to address that, but
instead many (not all) members have addressed side issues (important as
they might be) but failed to address the direct concerns of the Senatus
Consulta. After pulling this agenda item last month with the assistance
of Pontiff/Senator Sabinus there has been no constructive effort to
address and resolve the aforementioned issues that were discussed on the
ML/Senate. Now, it is brought back for consideration and I urge every
senator to vote for this Senatus Consulta. It is time the CP join the
rest of Nova Roma in becoming a more responsive body that serves the
Community as much as it serves the Gods. Let me repeat, I do not want a
Catholic Church version of Roman Paganism (I didn't even think that was
possible), but I do want a CP that actually recognizes it has a place in
the the Nova Roman Community!"

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS - "This item should have NEVER came up on the Senate
Agenda let alone a second time. My first instinct was to vote no on
this agenda and let the CP sort itself out. But after monitoring the
behaviors of the Pontiff's on their own list, its for very hard for them
to come up with decisions based upon group solidarity. Within the
Senate Chambers the Pontifex Maximus failed to sway me in keeping my
vote a "No". If anything he has demonstrated as to why there is a dire
need of Senatorial action regarding this matter. The CP needs help with
the administrative streamline process of applications. The Senate is
here to help with that process, not propose the CP to become the Vatican
Church. That is simply a misconception."

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "A reasonable person would have thought it wasn't too
much to ask of the Collegium Pontificum to introduce a process that is
administrative in nature. Apparently however it was beyond their
abilities. Therefore it falls to the Senate to introduce this, rather
than risk the continued drift away from Nova Roma by practitioners of
the religio due to such failure on the part of the CP."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS

*TIS: ANTIQUO - "The reasons are:
-This proposed SC will recreate the five years ago story (when two CP
members were considered inactive and were expelled from CP). Now the
entire CP is considered inactive from a point of view which have not any
connection with the traditional Roman duties of the CP.
-The NR Senate is composed of various religions members. They don't have
the moral right to enter in another religion business setting rules for
something they don't have any connection. "

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "The CP is not a church neither an enterprise, it must
stay the place of the wises in the Roman Religion. The reasons advanced
for this SC are a gross manoeuver for Sulla to put his nose in the CP
affairs, but as the Constitution grants it the CP follows and redacts
its own rules and processes."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "This one was very difficult for me. I have mixed
feelings on the matter to say the least - I strongly feel that the
religious colleges should get their own houses in order without outside
interference. However, that has not been happening to any visible
extent. Worse, having negotiated a chance to take this off the table
last session so that such progress could be undertaken, that chance
seems to have been squandered. Despite my wish that I could vote against
this, or even abstain, I feel obliged to vote "uti rogas" on this one. I
wish that were not necessary."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "I support this as it was worded more as a suggested
method, rather than as a fiat."

*CVA: ANTIQUO

_______

Item VI - Senatus Consulta on Century Points for Princeps Senatus:

Yes: 12
No: 2
Abstain: 1
PASSED

*CAC: UTI ROGAS - "I don't have any doubt that with the actual
responsibilities the Princeps Senatus should be reward with CP. I'm not
sure if the proposed values are the more balanced for the respective
work and responsibilities of the office but it will be possible to
adjust the values if they prove to be unbalanced."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "Every position in Nova Roma gets at least some
Century Points. The PS position is one that was overlooked and
corrected. This, also, is not about the individual holding the office,
but about the office itself, which is clearly a very important position
in both Roman Antiqua and important PLUS very powerful within Nova
Roma."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: ANTIQUO - "I understand that I am most likely the only Senator
who will vote Nay to this item. I also understand that it will still
most likely pass. I want it known for record of two things. 1. I did
offer a compromise of 5 century points to those of past service and 10
century points for the current Princeps Senatus. I found that to be
fair and balanced. 2. This has nothing to do with who is currently
Princeps Senatus. I would still vote no regardless who was in this
position even if were by some strange cause and effect myself. My
issue is not with the individual but the position itself. I cannot
reward 15 century points to someone who as has been describe to me as a
"failsafe". I would like to remind the Senate that as someone who has
served as Scribe on many Cohors, it takes some time for a civis to
acquire 15 century points without wearing all the "pointy hats" mind
you. In the likelihood that this item will pass. I hope to stress to
the Senate that with the awarding of such points so should some
expectations be set forth."

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "Considering the plethora of responsibilities the
princeps senatus now has, this is a small token of recognition for the
role. Let us not cheapen ourselves by being stingy over this."

*DeIPI: ABSTINEO

*TIS: UTI ROGAS

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "If necessary the laws Vedia, Junia, Cornelia Centuriata
must be changed by the Comitia."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "A very good idea, in my opinion. This has my full
support."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "Addresses an oversight."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

_______

Item VII - Senatus Consulta on the Leges Salicia:

Yes: 12
No: 3
Abstain: 0
PASSED

*CAC: ANTIQUO - "The function of the Senate is to define overall policy
within Nova Roma but it is not to review every individual actions of the
Magistrates within their duties and that is exactly what this SC
creates. More the SC is presented to ensure the fact a Praetor accepts a
case against a citizen doesn't create liability issues for Nova Roma in
general and in particularly for its Senate members. But what could
create such liability situations are never the acceptance of a case
against a citizens except for the few reasons a Praetor can refuse the
case that are listed in Lex Salica but if the Praetor doesn't follow the
Leges Salicae and other legislation, including Constitution, to the
letter while conducting the trial but that is after the approval of the
Senate to the trial if this propose is approved. So this proposed SC
will prevent no liability problems and does indeed create new ones since
a citizen can obviously present a complain that is right to action other
citizen, right given by our internal rules, is being arbitrarily denied
by the Board of Directors. Not solving the hypothetical danger, even
increasing it in my opinion, and at the same time creating a situation
of Senate reviewing individual actions from the Magistrates I have no
other option to vote against it."

*LCSF: UTI ROGAS - "Nova Roma cannot go back to the days before the
Leges Salicia, that bridge has been crossed. With that fact plainly
clear, it is important that Nova Roma take constructive steps to prevent
the abuses of the Leges Salicia that have happened in the past to ensure
that those abuses do not happen again. This Senatus Consulta does
precisely that. It gives us, the Senate of Nova Roma the oversight
authority to determine if there is just cause for a case to proceed and
that there is a sustainable cause of action. If there is, then the
petition moves forward. But, if not - if we the Senate of Nova Roma can
stop this petition from proceeding. The ramifications of future trials
and its affect on the organization and corporation are clear - Nova Roma
has dodged too many bullets to assume that the next time the
organization plays Russian Roulette it will not be another empty
chamber. As, I told Senator Crassus, this is not a fool proof, but it
clearly gives the Senate the knife to either sever the petition in half
or to cut its own wrists. It rests with the Senate because we in the
Senate would eventually bear the burden macronationally - and this is
something that should be on all of our minds."

*MCGG: UTI ROGAS

*SCVJA: UTI ROGAS

*TiGP: UTI ROGAS

*CnIC: UTI ROGAS - "Again this measure strengthens the ability of the
Senate to have oversight over a process that has been abused in the past
and could again. It will provide a counterpoint to praetors determined
to pursue "political" vendettas, and halt the slide into providing fresh
meat for factional warfare. Only those trials that are in the public
interest should be approved. I hope that before year end we can revamp
the current system of legal redress and prosecution with a fairer one,
one that does not rely on uncollectible fines, and one that seeks to
pursue a model of restorative justice, reconciliation and summary
resolution without resort to the theater of the absurd that the current
trial process has resulted in."

*DeIPI: UTI ROGAS

*TIS: ANTQUO - "Instead of replacing the bad laws, which was the normal
course of action, this proposed SC come with a solution which is in
contradiction with the very essence of Roman legacy. Magistrates need to
have their own decision independence (whatever it is, good or bad) and
need to be accountable if wrong. Now, not only the praetores are
affected but the tribuni plebis, too, because their right of
intercessio, in case of wrong decision of praetores, can not be used."

*MMA: UTI ROGAS

*CMC: UTI ROGAS

*CPD: ANTIQUO - "If necessary those laws must be changed by the
Comitia."

*QSP: UTI ROGAS

*CTVG: UTI ROGAS - "While I dislike certain aspects of this - I feel
that the praetors should be able to conduct trials without the Senate
stepping on their toes - we really are dealing with an issue here in
which Senate oversight - BoD oversight - may prevent potential
disasters. Despite my misgivings about the possibilities for abuse of
this proposal, I feel we must be more concerned with the radically more
pronounced threat of abuse of the system without this check in place, so
I give this measure my support."

*PUSV: UTI ROGAS - "As a member of both the Senate and Board of
Directors, I see a need for our oversight of internal affairs."

*CVA: UTI ROGAS

===== END OF REPORT =====

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!



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Avete Pontiffs,

Here is the exact text that was passed by the Senate that needs to be
implemented:

Avete Conscript Fathers,

Senatus Consulta on the Collegium Pontificum_

WHEREAS, it has been pointed out by citizens of Nova Roma that the
Collegium Pontificum (hereinafter "College") has not been adequately
responsive in regards to the interaction of the members of the College and
the citizenry, and

WHEREAS, after the matter was pointed out to the College, the members
thereof have either failed to respond or have taken a position that there
is no problem requiring action, and

WHEREAS, pursuant to Section V of the Constitution of Nova Roma, "The
supreme policy-making authority for Nova Roma shall be embodied in its
Senate," and

WHEREAS, the Senate views the responses of the College to this matter to be
inadequate,

IT IS THEREFORE recommended to the College that the following steps be
taken for the good of Nova Roma, so that closer ties may be established
between the citizenry and the College:

I. That one member of the College be appointed, on a rotating basis, every
six months, to serve as a public point of contact for the citizenry. (It is
noted that this is similar to prior action taken by the Senate with respect
to establishing a contact point between itself and the citizenry.)

II. That correspondence between the citizenry and the College be forwarded
to the College list and posted, unless such correspondence is specifically
labelled as confidential or private.

III. That a database be created in which members of the College shall log
all correspondence between the citizenry and the College, either using the
Database section of the College's Yahoo Group or a separate file to be
stored in the Files section of the College's Yahoo Group, and that said
database include: the date such correspondence was received; the name of
the member of the College who responded; the date of the response; and a brief
summary of the topic.

IV. That a database be created relating to all applicants for religious
posts, and that said database include the Roman name and status of the
applicant, the date the application was received, the status of the
application, and the last date of contact by members of the College.

V. That every citizen whose application for a religious post is pending be
contacted at least monthly with regular updates.

VI.That between the first and fifth day of every month, the member of the
College then serving as the public point of contact post on all official
fora of Nova Roma: an introduction; a preferred method of contact for
citizens to use that will allow the member of the College to respond to
citizens in a timely manner; and notice of the identity of the member of
the College who will serve as the next public point of contact along with
the date that said member will assume such duties.

VII. That these steps be taken within thirty days of the publication of
these Senatus Consulta.

The College is advised that its failure to implement these measures will
result in the Senate taking further action to ensure that the College is
properly responsive to the needs of the citizens of Nova Roma.


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Ave Petrus,

Congratulations! And, thank you for your patience during this process. It
was very appreciated.

I am very pleased that we were able to get this done for you and the
Legion!

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave Sulla,
 
Thank you for your interest and support.   Though not a politician, this old soldier pledges support to Nova Roma.
 
Hopefully there were be appropriate announcements on the Main List and in Sodalitas Militarium.   
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus
 


________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Report of Senate session closed on 9 July 2013


Ave Petrus,

Congratulations!  And, thank you for your patience during this process.  It
was very appreciated.

I am very pleased that we were able to get this done for you and the
Legion!

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave,

Either I or our Tribune of the Plebs will make the announcement. I will be
in contact with Caninus to ensure that it is done.

Respectfully,

Sulla

C. Aemilius Crassus C. Petronio Dextro SPD,

Concerning your statment:

"Even the praetor does not put you under moderation, perhaps he does not
understand the idiomatic speech to understand them..."

I must state that I haven't read anything in the change of arguments
that would led me to place a citizen under moderation and restrain his
or her freedom of speech on the main list from either side. That is not
to say I like the tone or considered it even useful to the debate.

It is true that English is not my first language so something may have
passed me, but I'm sure if that would happen the Praetura members would
warn me of that. Nevertheless if you think other wise please inform me
publicly or privately which parts of messages you consider to be cause
enough to place a citizen under moderation in our forum and I will
analyze it.

Vale optime.

Avete Omnes,

This is the first of a few new threads beginning to be posted throughout
the day.

Just as a brief recap - I am requesting you, the People of Nova Roma to
repaal these two Leges


I - Repeal: Lex Arminia de Ministris Provincialbus -
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Arminia_de_ministris_provincialibus_(Nova_Roma)

If you click on the link for review and upon reading it you will see that
this lex serves little to no constructive purpose. Let me explain: If a
Governor is up for renewal (prorogue) he/she is not relieved of duties
during that time. They are still govenror, their edicts are still valid
and carry the force of law. Thusly, if they are renewed there is no reason
why they would need to reissue their edicts. If a new governor takes place
then there is already law in NR that states that edicts that are going to
be carried over MUST be re-published. We had this discuassion on the ML
regarding Dexter's unfortunate slip up in his lack of a translation on the
ML. The conclusion is clear, this law serves no constructive purpose and
it should be repealed.

II - II - Repeal - Lex Labiena de custodia perpetua fori -
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Labiena_de_custodia_perpetua_fori_(Nova_Roma)

Nova Roma, not even in this very year has ever carried over magistrates.
This is a dangerous law to have and in the wrong hands could be used to
exploit Nova Roma's weakness to staking magistrates basically perpetually
keeping magistrates in office to prevent them from being prosecuted. This
law was promulgated in, well a time of NR's innocence and frankly, we have
learned LOADS since then and this law must go. It is always better to have
elections and let the People decide than to allow magistrates to appoint
their own allies and create in essence a spoils system with the Praetura.
It is just fortunate that no magistrate has actually tried to exercise
this law and put it to practice.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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Ave,

Who is Dexter wanting moderated?

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM, C. Aemilius Crassus <
c.aemilius.crassus@...
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Avete Omnes,

Ah, one of the first laws that actually got side tracked.

III - Strike out and repeal section III of the Lex Arminia de Fovenda
Lingua Latina -
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Arminia_de_fovenda_lingua_latina_(Nova_Roma)

This is the only section being removed from this law:

3. The Latinist shall be released from paying the tax for the following
year. To be considered assiduus (assidua), the Latinist must only write to
the Consular Quaestor in charge of tax collection during the tax payment
period confirming his (her) status as Latinist.

That is it.

By including this section in the law it has the potential of impacting Nova
Roma's revenues in a very serious negative manner. It can, with the
appointment of just 5 people (who reside in the 1st class) gut nearly 25%
of Nova Roma's yearly income. Nova Roma cannot afford, at present, to
exempt anyone from the Tax. At present, we must focus on balancing the
budget, ensuring Nova Roma's debts are paid and to increase our revenue.
This clause does not help in any of those areas.

This just makes sound financial sense to help the Organization achieve
parity with its revenue and expenses.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


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Avete Omnes,

This has been posted before and there was no discussion, so hopefully it is
pretty cut and dried.

Just as a reminder:

IV - CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION: Revise Section II.C.2 of the Constitution of
Nova Roma to state the following:

Ordo Equester (Equestrian Order) the Equestrian Order shall consist of
high standing citizens who excel in their service to the Res Publica.
Equestrians shallbe enrolled into the Ordo Equester as specified by laws
approved by the Comitia.

I urge everyone to vote for the passage of this change.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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Salve amice
 
That would be you and me, for "attacking" him. Clearly he doesn't read his own posts with a critical eye and has a warped sense of what an attack is.
 
The charge: Assault with a decretum. Battery by facts. Grievous bodily harm through the use of truth.
 
Shocking....
 
Vale bene
Caesar
 
________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Requested moderation (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Revision - Strike out Section III - Lex Arminia de Fovenda Lingua Latina)


Ave,

Who is Dexter wanting moderated?

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM, C. Aemilius Crassus <
c.aemilius.crassus@...
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Ave,

Oh well he is in the wrong organization if he thinks that adversaries
should moderate adversaries. Those folks joined the Sertorian
Organization. Is he looking to relive the days of Hortensia as Praetor
again?

Have we NOT learned from the past?

Vale,

Sulla


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...
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Avete Omnes,

Here is the latest version of the Lex Cornelia de Apparitoribus

Thank you to Scholastica for her spelling corrections. They were very
appreciated.




Introduction: In order to prevent abuse of the Century/Census Point
(hereinafter referred to as CPs) system, to protect the electoral integrity
of the Comitia Centuriata and promote the proper exercise of the voice of
the People of Nova Roma, to insure that only an appropriate number of
apparitores be appointed by magistrates, to discourage duplicative and
inefficient bureaucracy, and to treat CPs as bona fide compensation for
services rendered, this lex places reasonable limits on the number of
apparitores, including scribae and accensi, that may be appointed.

DEFINITION: Apparitores (Attendants). Collectively, the apparitores shall
not be considered magistrates but rather shall be appointed into various
decuriae (corporations/cohors/Staffs) to fulfill those necessary functions
as shall be assigned to them by law enacted by one of the comitia. They
shall include lictores, lictores curiati, scribae and accensi. (Taken from
the Constitution of Nova Roma IV.A.9)

Pursuant to Section IV. A. 9. Upon passage of this lex it is the policy of
Nova Roma to impose limits on magistrates who employ apparitores, to keep
the amount of apparitores consistent with the size of the organization.

I. Apparitores perform important functions in Nova
Roma. This lex recommends that all citizens, especially new citizens, gain
necessary experience concerning the inner workings of Nova Roma. It is
equally important that individuals who volunteer their time and effort in
Nova Roma are best utilized for the organization; creating bureaucratic
nepotism is highly discouraged.

II. This lex limits the number of apparitores that
magistrates may utilize in the scope of their duties:

a. Censor: May employ a total of 5 individuals who
will earn CPs.

b. Consul: May employ a total of 5 individuals who
will earn CPs.

c. Praetor: May employ a total of 5 individuals who
will earn CPs.

d. Curule Aedile: May employ a total of 12 individuals who will earn
CPs.

e. Plebian Aedile May employ a total of 4 individuals who will earn
CPs.

f. Tribune of the Plebs: May employ a total of 2 individuals
who will earn CPs



III. It is the policy of Nova Roma that magistrates who are
elected and are bound by their oath of office should do the preponderance
of their work and not delegate all or most of their tasks to subordinates
and assistants (who are not bound by the Oath of office).

IV. If Magistrates choose to exceed the number of *
Apparitores* in excess of section II of this lex those apparitories in
excess will not receive payment for services in the form of CPs. This will
be determined by Section V of this lex.

V. Magistrates must disclose in the form of an
appropriately published edict, the names of those apparitor who will
receive CPs by June 1st. If the Magistrate is a suffectus magistrate that
magistrate must disclose, in the form of an appropriately published edict
the names of those apparitories who will receive CPs within 60 days of
assuming office.

VI. If a magistrate does not publish the edict no apparitore
will receive CPs for that position. They will, for all intent and purposes
have volunteered their time and effort for no payment; nor will such time
investment be used to comply with any requirement for future position(s).
This is also applicable for those apparitories who continue service for a
magistrate and do not receive CPs.

VII. A Citizen may serve in as many apparitor positions to as
many magistrates as he or she wishes; however, the citizen will receive CPs
for service in no more than 3 cohortes (staff) during 1 (one) calendar
year.

VIII. When Nova Roma reaches an Assidui tax base of more than
300 Assidui citizens the presiding magistrate may petition the senate of
Nova Roma to adjust the staff sizes of magistrates. The Senate may at that
time raise the staff members of individual magistrates or the entire
spectrum based on their discretion. However, the Senate must take into
consideration the overall number of tax paying citizens as their primary
factor.

IX. If a Magistrate is serving without a colleague that
magistrate is entitled to employ double the legal staff limit specified in
Section II of this lex. However, if a suffectus magistrate is elected,
appointed or assumes the position the Magistrate must reduce his staff
within 30 days or publish an edict confirming which apparitores will be
given compensation of Century Points.


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Avete Omnes,

Here is the latest version for your review and consideration:

Lex Cornelia de Cursu Honorum

As a means of consolidating the laws regarding the eligibility of
individuals to serve in magisterial positions (Section V of the
Constitution), this law seeks to make it easier for citizens to know the
requirements to run and hold office as well as aid magistrates in cross
checking the eligibility of candidates who wish to run for office.



This lex repeals the following:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Iunia_de_Magistratuum_aetate_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_de_cursu_honorum_(Nova_Roma)

I. To run for and assume the office of Censor one must
meet all of these requirements:

Must be at least 30 years old.

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (tax payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 4 years.

Must have previously held the position of Praetor or Consul for at least 6
months OR held the position of Senator of Nova Roma for a year.

2. To run for and assume the office of Consul one must
meet all of these requirements:

Must be at least 30 years old

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (tax payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 4 years.

Must have previously held the position of Praetor, or Tribune of the Plebs
for at least 6 months ; or have served as a Provincial Governor for at
least 3 years; or Senator for a year.

3. To run for and assume the office of Praetor (NOT Provincial
Praetor) one must meet all of these requirements:

Must be at least 27 years old.

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax Payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 3 years.

Must have previously held one or more of the following positions for at
least six months: Tribune of the Plebs, Plebeian Aedile, Curule Aedile,
Quaestor, or Senator for 6 months.

3a. To be appointed Provincial Governor one must meet all of these
requirements:

Must be at least 27 years old

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax Payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 2 years.

Must have previously held one or more of the following positions for at
least six months: Tribune of the Plebs, Plebeian Aedile, Curule Aedile,
Quaestor, or a Senator for 6 months. An applicant may substitute service
in an apparitor position for at least one year for the previous
requirements.

EXEMPTION: In the case of this position only, the senate may waive the
previously held exemption if and only if no other candidate steps forward
to serve as Governor/Provincial Praetor of a province.



4. To run for and assume the office of Curule Aedile one
must meet all of these requirements:

Must be at least 25 years old

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 2 years.

Must have previously held the position of Plebeian Aedile, Provincial
Governor, Quaestor or a Senator for at least 6 months.

5. To run for and assume the office of Quaestor one must meet
all of these requirements:

Must be at least 21 years old.

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax Payer).

Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least a year.

Must have previously have held the position of an Apparitor for at least 6
months of service.

6. To be appointed as an election official, minor magistrate, or
Apparitor of Nova Roma as defined by IV.A.8 or IV.A.9 of the Constitution
of Nova Roma one must meet all of these requirements*:

Must be at least 18 years of age.

Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax Payer).

Must be a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 6 months.

*Serving in the positions that fall under the umbrella that are classified
under item 6 are generally described to be our entry level positions within
Nova Roma and we encourage any and all citizens to being their process of
learning about Nova Roma and volunteering their time in one of the many
apparitore positions that are available both within one�s province and
within the positions that serve Nova Roma in its entirety (consul, censor,
praetor.).



II. Age Exemption Procedure

An age Exemption can be granted to a person by the approval of both Censors
and receiving an age dispensation via Senatus Consultum from the Senate of
Nova Roma via 2/3s approval of the Senate of Nova Roma

Citizens who wish to run for office must present the Consuls with their
petition for exemption to the age restriction.

In the case of the annual December magisterial elections, such petitions
must be presented to the Consuls no later than the 15th of October.

In the case of mid-year elections, such petitions must be presented to the
Consuls as soon as possible, but the presentation of such petitions shall
not be regarded as sufficient reason to postpone replacement elections more
than thirty days as required by the Constitution, and the right of underage
cives to run for office shall not override the Constitutional requirement
to fill vacant magistracies in a timely manner.

The petition will include the following information: a. Full Roman name b.
Length of Citizenship c. Prior experience within Nova Roma d. The office
for which the applicant intends to run

The Consuls shall present the petition to the Senate for a vote in such
manner as to allow due consideration of the petition.

III. There shall be no exemption for citizens who are not in the
Assiduus/Assidua status or any other magisterial requirement unless
directly specified in this lex.


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Avete Omnes

Here is the latest draft of the Lex Cornelia de Punctis Censualibus/Lex
Cornelia de Centuriata

Please bear in mind it will be listed as Lex Cornelia de Punctis
Censualibus in votingplace.net

Please consider all the positive benefits that have not ever been awarded
before:

Membership in Sodalitas
Public Events
Buying up Classes to increase ones voting power (5th - 3rd classes eligible)
I am even adding membership for Reenactors - which was not covered
previously

Each of these areas were never covered in any previous draft, but now they
will be. Service in any area that benefits Nova Roma earns Census/Century
Points. Please review the latest draft below for your consideration:

I believe I have made all the adjustments. If I have forgotten any, please
let me know.
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Introduction: Nova Roma�s primary means of compensating its citizens for
service and citizenship has been through the utilization of Census Points
(hereinafter referred to as CPs). The accumulation of CPs must be
carefully monitored to insure that all citizens receive neither more nor
less than the appropriate credit for their service. There are also areas in
Nova Roma life that have been ignored and hopefully this comprehensive law
will address some of those areas.

In accordance with Section II. E. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the
Lex Cornelia Centuriata is hereby enacted.





I. With the passage of this law all previous conflicting legislation is
hereby repealed. This includes but is not limited to: Lex Vedia Centuriata (
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_centuriata_(Nova_Roma) ) and the Lex Fabia
Centuriata: http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_centuriata_(Nova_Roma)





II. Points will be awarded for all relevant events in each citizen�s record
based on the values established in this Lex. For elected positions,
citizens are awarded points for each term served. For example, if one was
Consul three times then that individual earns three times the CPs �
reflecting each term served.





III. It is the responsibility of each citizen to review their CPs details
and ensure that all of their previous service is represented. The Censors,
strive to be as accurate as they can be, but it is only with the active
cooperation and involvement of citizens that we can ensure the records are
as close to perfection as possible. Upon the enactment of this lex, all CPs
accumulated so far will be totaled and carried over into the new census
points as a direct conversion. There will be no conversion and/or
recalculation of century points to census points.





IV. If an individual resigns and later on � rejoins Nova Roma � they do not
receive the benefit of being awarded CPs for prior service when they rejoin
Nova Roma. They must start as if they are a brand new citizen, just as they
are. However, if a returning citizen wishes to appeal this clause they
must appeal to the Censors who must both agree and then the appeal must be
approved by the Senate of Nova Roma. If both the Censors and the Senate
approve the appeal the returning citizen will then be awarded back all
their previous earned Census Points.



A. Magistrates:

Censor: 30 CP

Consul: 30 CP

Praetor: 25 CP

Tribune of the Plebs: 25 CP

Curule Aedile: 20 CP

Plebian Aedile: 20 CP

Quaestor: 15 CP

Dictator: 30 CP

Interrex: 10 CP

Magistrates Appointed by the Senate (Diribitors, Magister Aranearius,
Editor Commentariorum, etc): 7 CP



B. Apparitores: Citizens may hold more than one position in a magistrate�s
staff but only get awarded points for one position within that staff. A
citizen may not receive century points for more than three such
simultaneously-held positions.

Apparitore: 5 pts



C. Provincial Positions: Citizens may hold more than one position within a
province � but only get points awarded for one � the highest ranked
position. If individuals are governor of more than 1 province they only get
points awarded for one province as they are stake-holders for the Senate.

Governor 25 CP

Apparitore: 5 pts

Provincial Sacerdos/Priest: 5 CP



D. Sacerdotes: Citizens may hold more than one position listed in this
subparagraph but only get points awarded for one � the highest ranked
position. Citizens who serve Nova Roma in one of the positions listed below
but also serve in a provincial sacerdos role may receive the points for
Provincial Sacerdos/Priest as stated in subparagraph C above in addition to
the points awarded for service in a position listed in this subparagraph.



Rex Sacrorum 20
Regina Sacrorum 20
Flamen Maior 20
Pontifex Maximus 20
Flamen Minor 15
Augur 15
Vestal 15
Other Sacerdos/Priest 5

For Provincial Sacerdotes see sub-paragraph C above.



E. Other Positions:

Senator: 20 CP

Pater Patriae: 10 CP (in addition to the CP awarded for Senator)

Princeps Senatus: 15 CP (in addition to the CP awarded for Senator �
Consistent to the previousl adopted Senatus Consulta)

The Senate shall have the authority to issue points for special appointed
positions, as well as rewards for special services performed on behalf of
the State. Such rewards must be announced at the time of the appointment,
and may not be awarded retroactively.



F. Sodalitates (officially sanctioned sodalitates only): Citizens may hold
more than one sodalitas position, but get points for the highest one only.
The positions and titles of officials included in each rank are defined by
each Head. A report must be filed to the Censores to determine the validity
of issuing CPs ensuring that the charter approved by the Senate is being
properly maintained and elections are held in timely manner. It is the
responsibility of the Head of the Sodalitas to provide this information.



Head of a Sodalitas 10 CP

Person of High Authority: 6 CP

Person of Minor Authority: 3 CP

Member of Sodalitas: 1 CP



G. Orders, Citizenship and Candidates:

The Orders:

Patrician: 10 pts

Plebeian: 7 pts

Ordo Equester - 10 CP

Length of citizenship:

Less than 6 months: 5 CP

Between 6 and 12 months: 10 CP

Between 1 year and 5 years: 20 CP

Between 5 years and 10 years: 40 CP

Between 10 years and 20 years: 75 CP

The disbursement of points are not added together. If one has been a
member of NR for 13 years they only get 75 CPs because of the bracket that
they are in.

Unsuccessfully run for office: 2 CP (Maximum of 1 award per calendar year)



H. Public Events: In an effort to recognize the time, effort, costs of
putting on public events the following is stipulated: A public event is one
that is identified as a gathering of more than 4 citizens (minors not
counted) for the purposes of facilitating an event in which Nova Roma plays
an important part this includes but not limited to: Religious rituals
occurring, discussion of Nova Roma events, Legionnaire reenactments, dining
and camaraderie. After Action reports (hereinafter referred to as AAR) are
required to be posted at the public fora as well as a copy is to be given
to the Censors. In the AAR, there needs to be the following: The organizer
of the event, participants, overview of the event. Some photographic
evidence and/or video documentation is to be provided to ensure that those
who participated are awarded the points. Each year a citizen may earn
points in this category for no more than 3 events.

Organizer of the Event: 5 CP

Participant: 2 CP



I. Reenactors � Of Officially Sponsored Legions.

Liaison between Sponsored Legion and Nova Roma: 3 CPs

Member of Sponsored Legion: 1 CP





V. It is now also official policy in Nova Roma that we recognize the need
to raise additional revenue. In order to accomplish this Nova Roma
establishes the ability of citizens to purchase their way to increase the
power of the Vote. Citizens who pay the established fee, which will be
confirmed by the CFO of Nova Roma will be able to move up a class of
centuries to the next class level. In other words, if a citizen is
currently in a Class V level of centuries by paying the fee they will move
to the 4th class. This is available to all the classes except for citizens
already enrolled in the 1st and 2nd classes. This fee is a yearly recurring
fee.

A. The fee for the remainder of the year for 2013 will be
$10.00 US

B. The fee for the full year for 2014 will be: $30.00 US

C. The fee for every year after that will be set by the Senate
via Senatus Consultum.


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A.Liburnius Hadrianus Canine forensibus S.P.D.

The announcement of the results of the Senate's vote  does not include the actual text that was voted.
Could you publish the actual text, or at least the links to it?


Respectfully

ALH



________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Report of Senate session closed on 9 July 2013


Ave,

Either I or our Tribune of the Plebs will make the announcement.  I will be
in contact with Caninus to ensure that it is done.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Caninus Sullae omnibusque sal.


Do the factiones count as 'officially sanctioned sodalitates' such that
the officials and members receive Census Points?


Bene vale et valete.



Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Caninus Sullae omnibusque sal.


Since the Collegium Pontificum for some reason has ceased appointing
minor priests, should I write directly to the Censores to claim 5 Census
Points as a public, state recognized Proserpinae Aedis Sacerdos (temple
priest of Proserpina)? I assume that I cannot do the same for Volturnus
but will instead definitely need to make an application to the Collegium
Pontificum since Volturnus has a Flamen. Just wondering.



Bene vale!


Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Ave Amice,

No, the Factiones are not approved by the Senate of Nova Roma as Sodalitas
under the Lex Cassia de Creatione Sodalitatum.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cassia_de_creatione_sodalitatum_(Nova_Roma)

Respectfully,

Sulla


2013/7/15 M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...
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Ave,

You know that is an interesting interesting question.

Here is my problem. I am loathe to get into the actual religiousness of
the issues. This is the one matter that seems to gloss over Dexter's head
- I have never once interferred in the religious based discussion. All of
my involvement has been on the Administrative side - which has no direct
religious implication period. Your request is one that does have a
religious implication. I wish I had a cut and dried answer for you amice.

But I do have one suggestion. Given the precedent that Lentulus
established in Hungary. As Governor of your province you could appoint
yourself provincial priest?

Respectfully,

Sulla

Salvete,

For me personally I am trying to incorporate the following virtues in my life .

Industrias, Fortuna, and Patientia.

Definitely Patientia..

Valete bene,
Aeternia

Sent from my iPhone

Ave amice!


I figured that would be the answer. However, I believe the factiones do
provide some much needed social interaction and help bind some of the
citizens together in a common interest. Some of the factiones have more
to show in the way of activity than some of the officially recognized
groups. So that brings up two questions:


1. Can a factio seek formal recognition of the Senate under the
provisions of Lex Cassia de creatione sodalitatum or will such an
application be summarily dismissed?


2. Even without formal recognition as a sodalitas, would it be
beneficial to provide Census Points to factio members and staff since
they do contribute public activity?



Bene vale!




Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis


Vivat Nova Roma!







-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NEW Thread - Lex Cornelia de Punctis
Censualibus/Lex Cornelia de Centuriata
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... Date: Mon, July 15, 2013 12:27 pm
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Ave Amice,

No, the Factiones are not approved by the Senate of Nova Roma as
Sodalitas
under the Lex Cassia de Creatione Sodalitatum.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cassia_de_creatione_sodalitatum_(Nova_Roma)

Respectfully,

Sulla


2013/7/15 M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...
that
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Salvete,

To whom should I address questions and issues about my album civium page?
Mine seems to be out of date on several matters (I am listed as governor of
several provinces I no longer govern, but I am not listed as governor of
the province I do, etc.) and I'm not sure to whom I should address this at
the moment . . .

Valete!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Caesar Valeriano sal
 
Me, if no one else in the censura has replied.
 
Vale bene
Caesar


________________________________
From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Album Civium Question

 
Salvete,

To whom should I address questions and issues about my album civium page?
Mine seems to be out of date on several matters (I am listed as governor of
several provinces I no longer govern, but I am not listed as governor of
the province I do, etc.) and I'm not sure to whom I should address this at
the moment . . .

Valete!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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Ave,

I dont think it has been considered ever. :) But you might be right.

As for registering under the Lex Cassia. My belief is that it probably
would not be necessary.

We should discuss this with the staff, but on the whole I would not have a
problem with awarding 1 CP for membership in a factio.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Valerianus Caesari S.P.D.

Gratias! I'll get back to you privately . . .

Vale!

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...
--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Avete,
 
I would propose the Lex be changed from "Soladitates" to "Senate-approved Soladitates, Collegia et Factiones" or something like that.
 
Valete,
Triarius
 

________________________________
From: M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] NEW Thread - Lex Cornelia de Punctis Censualibus/Lex Cornelia de Centuriata


 

Ave amice!

I figured that would be the answer. However, I believe the factiones do
provide some much needed social interaction and help bind some of the
citizens together in a common interest. Some of the factiones have more
to show in the way of activity than some of the officially recognized
groups. So that brings up two questions:

1. Can a factio seek formal recognition of the Senate under the
provisions of Lex Cassia de creatione sodalitatum or will such an
application be summarily dismissed?

2. Even without formal recognition as a sodalitas, would it be
beneficial to provide Census Points to factio members and staff since
they do contribute public activity?

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NEW Thread - Lex Cornelia de Punctis
Censualibus/Lex Cornelia de Centuriata
From: Robert Woolwine <mailto:robert.woolwine%40gmail.com Date: Mon, July 15, 2013 12:27 pm
To: "mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com
Ave Amice,

No, the Factiones are not approved by the Senate of Nova Roma as
Sodalitas
under the Lex Cassia de Creatione Sodalitatum.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cassia_de_creatione_sodalitatum_(Nova_Roma)

Respectfully,

Sulla

2013/7/15 M. Pompeius Caninus <mailto:caninus%40caninus.co
that
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Yahoo! Groups Links




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Ave Triarius,

You are referring to the Lex Cassia, I assume correct?

Well, that is something that can be looked into. I will bring it up to the
staff.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Petronio Dextro Omnibusque S.P.D.

<snipped for brevity sake

As I said since 2 years in the senate we have to lower the tax amounts! Do
think that I paid $44,00 to be insulted or attacked everywhere I meet you
and Cn. Caesar. This certainly makes your insults above prey and precious.
Even the praetor does not put you under moderation, perhaps he does not
understand the idiomatic speech to understand them, me too I did not
understand them but a native American speaker is seeking them and will
translate them to me. I will see. Finally the idiomatic speech must be too
translated in English, if only the BA gang may understand your humour it is
a pity, is'n it?

SCVJA: Oh really now? This is almost comical. You know I wasn't going to
response much to this but after seeing a recent post of yours on the CP
list. I find myself with a sudden case of the "can't help its".

So that everyone can see what I'm talking about.

Please Exhibit A:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/657

In Line 20 Dexter you state and I quote

" But people sees who attack and who insult. Remember, last year, when I
run for Praetor, I win even if Aeternia, Cassius, Sulla and Caesar
attacked me publicly. "

Aeternia: I'm sorry what Alternate Universe are you living in over there
Dexter? I don't recall Cassius ever insulting you. Must have missed that
somehow. If you recall correctly it was I, you and your once-upon-a-time
colleague former civis L. Iulia Aquila who raked meover hot coals rather
heinously and it didn't stop when the Election was over. No in a DeSade
moment you decided to do it for 365 DAYS!!!! If you can lift yourself out
the wine vat, I actually did not respond to your direct attacks. I mainly
responded to the questions directed towards me as a Praetorian Candidate.
Do you know how much criticism I received privately for not responding
back. But no I'm a firm believer of karma and not only has Winter came in
your direction it would seem that the Pied Piper is coming for their
rightful pay.

You claim to be a Victim? A Victim of what being called out on the request
of actually doing your job? In the real world Dexter if you don't do your
job? What happens? Oh that's right you get fired! I seriously hope that
in your mundane professional career you're a bit more attentive than what
you have done as Pontifex Maximus. If not perhaps we can send a basket of
apologetic box of chocolates to your place of work extending our most
sincere condolences for we have a mutual understanding of your said work
ethic. Zero has a greater number.

Dexter instead of bullying everyone, when something doesn't go your way,
and being upset that the people seem to actually like the Lexes that Sulla
is proposing. Have your American friend Ms. Aquila explain to you the
genuine meaning of sarcasm and perhaps go over a game plan with you where
you can explain your stances rationally and even more epic with a sense of
LOGIC! Otherwise you will continue to back yourself into a corner where
you'll lash out and everything and everyone attempting to be snakelike when
really you are a gecko.

You say you didn't pay 44.00$ to be insulted, do you think that I have? I
paid 44.00$ each and every year and I am forced to take your crap. Think
about Scholastica for that matter, you think she's paid 44.00$ annually for
this? How about Caeca? How about Lentulus? How about Crassus? Or the
rest of the Senate? We're here because we are Romans and we actually care
out this organization for better or for worse. You don't like how you are
being victimized, then stop being the bully. It really is that simple.
Stop bullying +logical argument may = a win.

But more importantly. The practitioners of the Cultus Deorum are paying
their taxes for what? To be ignored? They are paying to have a
functioning Collegium Pontificum and a Pontifex Maximus that is at least
effective at his job.

Simply shame on you.

Valete,
Aeternia


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Sent from Windows Mail


Salvete



http://news.msn.com/science-technology/astronomer-finds-new-moon-orbiting-Neptune


14th moon for Neptune!


Valete


Paulinus



PS,


Pluto is still not a planet

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HEY!!!
 
My grandmother was a teacher and she said Pluto was a planet and I'm sticking with her!
 
Triarius


________________________________
From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@... To: BackAlley <backalley@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Neptune's 14th Moon!!


 





Sent from Windows Mail


Salvete



http://news.msn.com/science-technology/astronomer-finds-new-moon-orbiting-Neptune


14th moon for Neptune!


Valete


Paulinus



PS,


Pluto is still not a planet

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Ahh, but the folks who teach the teachers say it ain't a planet, so that's that.

Laterensis, reporting in from the bastion of book smarts that is Appalachia

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Edictum I Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Scriba Nominanda
Edict I of Proconsul Gaius Tullius Valerianus concerning the appointment of
a Scriba Provincialis.

I. I hereby appoint Appia Gratia Avita as Scriba Proconsulis Provinicialis
Americae Austroccidentalis to serve as assistant and head of staff for the
administration of the province of America Austroccidentalis. She will serve
as clerk, scribe, and personal assistant to the proconsul, and will assist
in the administration of the province, particularly the Regio Arizona. She
will assist in the work to build a local community in the Phoenix area and
the Regio of Arizona as a whole.

II. This edict takes effect immediately. No oath is required.

Data Idibus Quintilibus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXVI (L. Sulla [III] cos. sine
college)
Given the 15th of July, 2013 (in the third consulship of L. Sulla, without
a colleague)

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Proconsul Americae Austroccidentalis


Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari
Nominando.
Edict II of Proconsul Gaius Tullius Valerianus concerning the appointment
of a Legatus Militaris.

I. I hereby appoint Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus as Legatus
Proconsulis Militaris Americae Austroccidentalis. He will serve as the head
and coordinator of the military forces of the province of America
Austroccidentalis.
A. This position is in addition to and independent of his current position
as praefectus legionis to Legio XIII Gemina (
http://www.legiotredecimgemina.com/). If he should cease to be the
praefectus legionis of that legion, he will still retain his position as
legatus proconsulis militaris until such time as he resigns or is removed
from office by the proconsul.

II. The duties of the legatus proconsulis militaris shall be
A. To have overall supervision of all Nova Roman military forces within the
province of America Austroccidentalis. All future reenactment legions in
the province will be ordered to report (preferably by e-mail) to the
legate.
B. To send regular reports to the office of the proconsul of America
Austroccidentalis.
C. To execute such commands as are received from the office of the
proconsul of America Austroccidentalis in a timely manner.

III. This edict takes effect immediately. No oath is required.

Data Idibus Quintilibus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXVI (L. Sulla [III] cos. sine
college)
Given the 15th of July, 2013 (in the third consulship of L. Sulla, without
a colleague)

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Proconsul Americae Austroccidentalis

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Ave Avita!
 
Kudos for stepping up to the plate for our neighboring provincia! America austrorientalis sends you a case of aged Falernian for your cellars!
 
Vale optime,
Triarius 


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com; nr-austroccidentalis@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Edictum I Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Scriba Provinciali Nominanda


 

Edictum I Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Scriba Nominanda
Edict I of Proconsul Gaius Tullius Valerianus concerning the appointment of
a Scriba Provincialis.

I. I hereby appoint Appia Gratia Avita as Scriba Proconsulis Provinicialis
Americae Austroccidentalis to serve as assistant and head of staff for the
administration of the province of America Austroccidentalis. She will serve
as clerk, scribe, and personal assistant to the proconsul, and will assist
in the administration of the province, particularly the Regio Arizona. She
will assist in the work to build a local community in the Phoenix area and
the Regio of Arizona as a whole.

II. This edict takes effect immediately. No oath is required.

Data Idibus Quintilibus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXVI (L. Sulla [III] cos. sine
college)
Given the 15th of July, 2013 (in the third consulship of L. Sulla, without
a colleague)

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Proconsul Americae Austroccidentalis

Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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Salvete!



No, no! 1. My 3rd grade teacher *told* me Pluto is a planet, and all 3rd grade teachers are always right. About everything! It’s their duty! Also, if I was made to memorize the names (and correct order in their places from the sun) then there had *better* be 9 planets …or I’m going to go hunting for someone, LOL!



Vale bene!

CMC, wondering if “Pluto is a planet!” would make a good campaign slogan ..for something. Hmmm probably not. Oh, well.



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Salve Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus!
 
Can we call you, "The Rock"? Congrats to you for stepping up as well, neighbor!  No wine for you my brother, no wine, we're sending you a case of Atellus' Lorica Polish.  We use it on those gleaming, bright Veneta chariots. Makes them look outstanding!
 
Vale optime,
Triairus 


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com; nr-austroccidentalis@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari Nominando


 

Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari
Nominando.
Edict II of Proconsul Gaius Tullius Valerianus concerning the appointment
of a Legatus Militaris.

I. I hereby appoint Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus as Legatus
Proconsulis Militaris Americae Austroccidentalis. He will serve as the head
and coordinator of the military forces of the province of America
Austroccidentalis.
A. This position is in addition to and independent of his current position
as praefectus legionis to Legio XIII Gemina (
http://www.legiotredecimgemina.com/). If he should cease to be the
praefectus legionis of that legion, he will still retain his position as
legatus proconsulis militaris until such time as he resigns or is removed
from office by the proconsul.

II. The duties of the legatus proconsulis militaris shall be
A. To have overall supervision of all Nova Roman military forces within the
province of America Austroccidentalis. All future reenactment legions in
the province will be ordered to report (preferably by e-mail) to the
legate.
B. To send regular reports to the office of the proconsul of America
Austroccidentalis.
C. To execute such commands as are received from the office of the
proconsul of America Austroccidentalis in a timely manner.

III. This edict takes effect immediately. No oath is required.

Data Idibus Quintilibus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXVI (L. Sulla [III] cos. sine
college)
Given the 15th of July, 2013 (in the third consulship of L. Sulla, without
a colleague)

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Proconsul Americae Austroccidentalis

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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Salvete!

If I recall I demurred on answering this question when I first joined this list.  But as an earth science high school teacher (last year - this year I'm teaching English!) I can tell you that I taught my students that Pluto is indeed not a planet.  Well, I suppose technically you could call Pluto a planet since Pluto is a "dwarf planet" along with a couple of others.  If you go with the dwarf planet interpretation it is possible that EVERYONE is right :)  Pluto isn't one of the big ones but isn't completely ignored either.

Valete bene!

Appia Gratia Avita


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From: cmc <c.mariacaeca@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Pluto (was: Neptune's 14th Moon!!)



 
Salvete!

No, no! 1. My 3rd grade teacher *told* me Pluto is a planet, and all 3rd grade teachers are always right. About everything! It’s their duty! Also, if I was made to memorize the names (and correct order in their places from the sun) then there had *better* be 9 planets …or I’m going to go hunting for someone, LOL!

Vale bene!

CMC, wondering if “Pluto is a planet!” would make a good campaign slogan ..for something. Hmmm probably not. Oh, well.

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Salvete!

In 2009, a friend of mine from school days, the astronomer Stephen P. Maran, along with Laurence A. Marschall, wrote a book about this controversy, "Pluto Confidential." Subtitle: An Insider Account of the Ongoing Battles over the Status of Pluto.

Valete!
Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: lvtriarius@...
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:38:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Neptune's 14th Moon!!


























HEY!!!



My grandmother was a teacher and she said Pluto was a planet and I'm sticking with her!



Triarius





________________________________

From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...
To: BackAlley <backalley@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:11 AM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Neptune's 14th Moon!!











Sent from Windows Mail



Salvete



http://news.msn.com/science-technology/astronomer-finds-new-moon-orbiting-Neptune



14th moon for Neptune!



Valete



Paulinus



PS,



Pluto is still not a planet



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C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

Since I wouldn't like the marvelous work of choosing the musics for our
Ludi Apollinares made by Caeca to be lost in our archives I have joined all
musics in a public youtube playlist that can be found at:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJOHHeYIPljnCe25nWuX1OliOQC-HpUYe

Valete optime,
Crassus


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Ave Triairus.
 
Thank you.   There were two important events over the last week or so.   First, the Senate approved a resolution to sponsor legions throughout the empire.   Second, the Senate approved a resolution to approve my legion, Legio Tredecim Gemina, for sponsorship.  In addition, I was honored to be appointed  Legatus Proconsulis Militaris Americae Austroccidentalis.      All in all, a good week.
 
If not presumptuous, I would gladly accept the sobriquet "The Rock".  
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus
 
 


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From: Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari Nominando

 

Salve Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus!
 
Can we call you, "The Rock"? Congrats to you for stepping up as well, neighbor!  No wine for you my brother, no wine, we're sending you a case of Atellus' Lorica Polish.  We use it on those gleaming, bright Veneta chariots. Makes them look outstanding!
 
Vale optime,
Triairus 


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <mailto:gaius.tullius.valerianus%40gmail.com To: mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:NovaRoma-Announce%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:nr-austroccidentalis%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari Nominando


 

Edictum II Proconsulis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici De Legato Militari
Nominando.
Edict II of Proconsul Gaius Tullius Valerianus concerning the appointment
of a Legatus Militaris.

I. I hereby appoint Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus as Legatus
Proconsulis Militaris Americae Austroccidentalis. He will serve as the head
and coordinator of the military forces of the province of America
Austroccidentalis.
A. This position is in addition to and independent of his current position
as praefectus legionis to Legio XIII Gemina (
http://www.legiotredecimgemina.com/). If he should cease to be the
praefectus legionis of that legion, he will still retain his position as
legatus proconsulis militaris until such time as he resigns or is removed
from office by the proconsul.

II. The duties of the legatus proconsulis militaris shall be
A. To have overall supervision of all Nova Roman military forces within the
province of America Austroccidentalis. All future reenactment legions in
the province will be ordered to report (preferably by e-mail) to the
legate.
B. To send regular reports to the office of the proconsul of America
Austroccidentalis.
C. To execute such commands as are received from the office of the
proconsul of America Austroccidentalis in a timely manner.

III. This edict takes effect immediately. No oath is required.

Data Idibus Quintilibus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXVI (L. Sulla [III] cos. sine
college)
Given the 15th of July, 2013 (in the third consulship of L. Sulla, without
a colleague)

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Proconsul Americae Austroccidentalis

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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Cn. Lentulus q. L. Sullae cos.  et Quiritibus s. d.

First of all, and overall, this proposal has my support, and it is a real improvement in many things, but it contains 1-2 points which I would not like to see, or would like to modify. I also correct some Latin mistakes, which remained therein (I know most of the previous mistakes are now corrected, but some remained).

I specify below what my last suggestions are. I know it's tiresome that new and new suggestions are coming up all the time, but there are so many things to discuss at the same time that it's very hard to write down everything at the same time. So let's see what I want to say:



In accordance with Section II. E. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the
Lex Cornelia Centuriata is hereby enacted.<<<


COMMENT: Change text to "Lex Cornelia de punctis censualibus".



and ensure that all of their previous service is represented. The Censors,
strive to be as accurate as they can be, but it is only with the active
cooperation and involvement of citizens that we can ensure the records are
as close to perfection as possible. Upon the enactment of this lex, all CPs
accumulated so far will be totaled and carried over into the new census
points as a direct conversion. There will be no conversion and/or
recalculation of century points to census points.<<<


COMMENT: I would like to see here added that:

 "old CPs accumulated prior to the enactment of this law will be carefully recorded as to how many points for which office was given and the total amount will be carried over into new census points."

(Fix my English.)

I would like this so that all of our previously held offices be clearly recorded, each one of them, to make it clear why we had the amount of old CP we had. I mean, in the new system, if someone had so far 120 CP, and he is elected consul in the future which will give him 30 CP, his ID page should not only list 120+30, but it should also list how the previous 120 was calculated, what offices he held, and how many points he got for those offices in the past.



receive the benefit of being awarded CPs for prior service when they rejoin
Nova Roma. They must start as if they are a brand new citizen, just as they
are.  However, if a returning citizen wishes to appeal this clause they
must appeal to the Censors who must both agree and then the appeal must be
approved by the Senate of Nova Roma.  If both the Censors and the Senate
approve the appeal the returning citizen will then be awarded back all
their previous earned Census Points. <<<


COMMENT: I would like to see this passage removed, OR changed to something like this:

"If an individual resigns and later on – rejoins Nova Roma – the censores shall detract -100 CPs from the returning citizen's CP account."

If someone resigns twice or even higher if three (or fourth etc) times, each time he loses -100 in addition. That's a fair and severe punishment.
It should be also included whether this applies to all past resignations, or just to future resignations.



staff but only get awarded points for one position within that staff. A
citizen may not receive century points for more than three such
simultaneously-held positions.

Apparitore:  5 pts <<<


COMMENT: The last line shall be corrected to Apparitor. Without the final "-E".



province – but only get points awarded for one – the highest ranked
position. If individuals are governor of more than 1 province they only get
points awarded for one province as they are stake-holders for the Senate.

Governor 25 CP

Apparitore:  5 pts

Provincial Sacerdos/Priest: 5 CP <<<<


COMMENT: Here again. This shall be corrected to Apparitor. Without the final "-E".



I have no more comments.



Valete!

Cn. Lentulus
quaestor

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Cn. Lentulus L. Sullae omnibusque s. d.


I have two things to comment about this rogatio.

1) I understand why the plebeian tribune and plebeian aedile are removed from this proposal and I know that the intention of the tribunus plebis M. Pompeius is to make a plebiscite on requirements for plebeian magistrates to keep plebeian things separate. I understand this, but I think here it is unnecessary, and we will have two laws to cover this topic, when we could simply have one. The comitia centuriata created the position of tribunus plebis and aedilis plebis when the comitia centuriata enacted the current Constitutions, so I think there is no doubt that the comitia centuriata may set up age and other requirements for tribunes or plebeian aediles. The comitia centuriata and tributa are the assemblies of the whole NR People, and s such, they have authority over every matter, except in the internal working mechanism of the comitia plebis. This is how I see this question.

2) In section 6. there are two mistake:


under item 6 are generally described to be our entry level positions within
Nova Roma and we encourage any and all citizens to __being__ their process of
learning about Nova Roma and volunteering their time in one of the many
__apparitore__ positions that are available both within one’s province and
within the positions that serve Nova Roma in its entirety (consul, censor,
praetor.)." <<<

Here "being" must be corrected to "begin" and "apparitore" must be corrected to "apparitor"

That's all I wanted to comment about this rogatio. I'm not sure if there is no Latin spelling mistake, but now I must hurry because I have another urgent thing to do, so I hope Scholastica will catch up any remaining Latin issues.


Valete!
Lentulus


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Cn. Lentulus q. L. Sullae cos. Quiritibusque s. d.

Although I don't think some of the limitations in this law will benefit the Nova Romans, I can essentially support this law with my vote.

My one comment I think important enought to voice it is referring to section VI:



will receive CPs for that position. They will, for all intent and purposes
have volunteered their time and effort for no payment; nor will such time
investment be used to comply with any requirement for future position(s).
This is also applicable for those apparitories who continue service for a
magistrate and do not receive CPs.<<<

First: Typo correction: apparitor, not apparitore. And plural "apparitor-es", not "-ies".

Second: I can accept that a magistrate, from now on, can appoint a limited number of apparitors who get CP. Okay. I understand and I praise the wisdom of the proposal that it ALLOWS the magistrate to appoint MORE apparitors than those who get CP, but the apparitors who are appointed over the limit, will not receive CP. My objection comes here: in the section above, it is stated that an apparitor who is appointed over the limit will not be able to use his service to comply with the 6 months apparitor service requirement for quaestorship. Why not? I understand why he does not get CP, but I don't understand why he can not use his time in service as apparitor when he wants to run for quaestorship. I understand that we need to think twice to whom we give the precious CPs, but if the citizens served as an apparitor, (albeit without CP given), he should at least have such a little benefit from his service that he can run for quaestorship.

My advice is to strike out the following part: "nor will such timeinvestment be used to comply with any requirement for future position(s).
This is also applicable for those apparitories who continue service for amagistrate and do not receive CPs."

So the sextion would be read:

"VI. If a magistrate does not publish the edict no apparitorwill receive CPs for that position. They will, for all intent and purposes
have volunteered their time and effort for no payment."


Valete!
Lentulus

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Cn. Lentulus L. Sullae cos. et populo sal.

There is a problem if we repeal the lex Arminia de ministris provincialibus. You say that we should repeal this law because there is another law covering this same topic. The other law the covers the issue is the lex Arminia de ratione edictorum, here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Arminia_de_ratione_edictorum_%28Nova_Roma%29
This states the following:

"I. This lex is valid only for those magistrates defined in the Article
IV.A. of the Constitution, that is, the magistratus ordinarii."

So this other law DOES NOT cover the provincial governors, because it is valid only about the central ordinary magistrates (consul praetor, etc). This is why we had the lex Arminia de ministris provincialibus: if repealed, the status of provincial edicts will be in doubt.

So my advice is to reconsider the repealing of the lex Arminia de ministris provincialibus.

Valete!
LENTVLVS




________________________________
Da: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... A: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Inviato: Lunedì 15 Luglio 2013 17:59
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] New Discussion Thread - Repeal of the two Leges



 
Avete Omnes,

This is the first of a few new threads beginning to be posted throughout
the day.

Just as a brief recap - I am requesting you, the People of Nova Roma to
repaal these two Leges

I - Repeal: Lex Arminia de Ministris Provincialbus -
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Arminia_de_ministris_provincialibus_(Nova_Roma)

If you click on the link for review and upon reading it you will see that
this lex serves little to no constructive purpose. Let me explain: If a
Governor is up for renewal (prorogue) he/she is not relieved of duties
during that time. They are still govenror, their edicts are still valid
and carry the force of law. Thusly, if they are renewed there is no reason
why they would need to reissue their edicts. If a new governor takes place
then there is already law in NR that states that edicts that are going to
be carried over MUST be re-published. We had this discuassion on the ML
regarding Dexter's unfortunate slip up in his lack of a translation on the
ML. The conclusion is clear, this law serves no constructive purpose and
it should be repealed.

II - II - Repeal - Lex Labiena de custodia perpetua fori -
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Labiena_de_custodia_perpetua_fori_(Nova_Roma)

Nova Roma, not even in this very year has ever carried over magistrates.
This is a dangerous law to have and in the wrong hands could be used to
exploit Nova Roma's weakness to staking magistrates basically perpetually
keeping magistrates in office to prevent them from being prosecuted. This
law was promulgated in, well a time of NR's innocence and frankly, we have
learned LOADS since then and this law must go. It is always better to have
elections and let the People decide than to allow magistrates to appoint
their own allies and create in essence a spoils system with the Praetura.
It is just fortunate that no magistrate has actually tried to exercise
this law and put it to practice.

Respectfully,

Sulla

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Ave,

I totally understand about the simplicity of having two laws. Believe me,
this entire year I have been geared toward that endeavor.

However, there are 2 things that I have to consider in regards to the
establishment of requirements for Plebeian magistrates.

1. The independence of the Comitia's.

Let's review the Constitution:

*C*. The *Comitia Plebis Tributa* (Assembly of the Plebeians) shall be made
up of all non-patrician citizens, grouped into their respective tribes.
While it shall be called to order by a tribune of the *plebs*, only
the *comitia
plebis tributa* shall pass laws governing the rules by which it shall
operate internally. It shall have the following powers:*1*. To enact
plebiscites with the force of law, binding upon the entire citizenry;*2*.
To elect the plebeian aediles and tribunes of the *plebs*;*3*. To try legal
cases solely involving members of the plebeian order that do not involve
permanent removal of citizenship.

Given what the Constitution states, the Comtiia is able to establish its
own internal rules and elect Plebeian magistrates. By having the Comitia
Centuriata establish rules in the election of Plebeian magistrates one
could argue that the Comitia is establishing rules as to how it operates.
To err on the side of caution, and not promulgate restrictions on Plebeian
magistrates and leave that in the sole jurisdiction of the Tribunes. Think
of it this way, Lentulus, how would we feel if the Tribunes summoned the
Plebs to establish guidelines on the election of Consuls. Sure, it might
be something they could do, but the ramifications are such that it would be
the equivalent of a Tribune Saturnius running roughshod over the entire
concept of the Mos Maiorum. In short, it just makes common sense. And,
this brings me to my second point. Patricians should have very minimal role
in the governing of the Plebeians - this includes in the establishment of
requirements to be able to hold office. After consultation with Tribune
Caninus we came to the same decision better to leave the matter to the
Plebs to decide this matter.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...
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Ave Lentulus,

You brought up an interesting point with regard to the lex proposal. I
included it to be consistent. My logic was rather simple. If one does not
get paid for the position one should not be able to use that position to
climb up the Cursus. However, I am more than willing to strike that part
out of the Lex. Since, they do gain experience working basically as an
intern in the position. Thank you for the suggestion!

Agreed.

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...
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Ave,

Actually I do not believe I said there is another law. What I actually
said is that this law serves no real purpose.

Nova Roma already has the tradition that when governors have their term
extended that they do not need to re-publish their edicts. There term is
not interrupted.
Nova Roma already has the tradition that when magistrates assume offices
they already have a grace period if they are going to re-publish the edicts
of their predecessors.

Therefore the law does not serve a purpose. We know that when a new
magistrate takes over the office the edicts stop. It is up to the new
magistrate to either:

Publish new ones
Republish old ones
Or the default setting is that the old edicts are null and void with a
built in expiration date.

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...
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Ave Lentulus,


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...
Sulla: Thanks we all put alot of work into it. :)


Sulla: I do not mind discussing and finding ways to make the laws proposed
even better! :) The more discussion that happens I believe will result in
a better written law.


Sulla: I caught that after I published the draft. It is already fixed.


Sulla: Let me think this through. My concern is I do not want to create
an undue burden on the Censors. They have alot to deal with - with the
Census, approving new citizens, and working to apply new citizens to tribes
and centuries. T

Sulla: I am leaning towards removing this as we are already working on a
proposed law in the staff as you well know.


Sulla: Ah ok :)


Sulla: Fixed.

Thanks!,

Sulla


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Caninus Lentulo Sullae omnibusque spd.

The Censor database has a table of point values for offices and a
separate table recording who held which offices and the dates they held
the offices. Since the history of offices is in a separate table there
is no risk of that history being lost. However, the historical point
values may be lost. Based on that structure and the fact that most
people who have stepped forward to serve Nova Roma would see an increase
in their CP total, it may be beneficial to recalculate all CP for all
citizens. The downside of doing so are those citizens who have not held
office may see a net decrease in CP if the amount of CP awarded for time
of citizenship decreases. Another potential downside is the sudden
increase in CP for many citizens who have held office will impact the
alignment of the Century Classes. Although I would not want to penalize
anyone, the easiest way to handle this with the current database is to
change the point values and let the recalculations occur automatically.
I will try to make a copy of the database and determine the new CP
totals so we can compare recalculated totals to the current totals. Let
me know if this seems reasonable. I suppose there could be a general
objection to doing recalculations at all so I would not want to work on
this 'what if' scenario if such an objection exists. It is technically
possible to archive the current CP and only recalculate for CP added
from this point forward but that would require some database changes and
some changes to the scripts - the tools the Censors use - to update the
Album Civium. It would be a lot of work to reprogram and test the
database and scripts and that work would require the involvement of the
Censores and their staff.

Valete bene!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!





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Subject: Re: [Consular_staff_2013] Re: [Nova-Roma] NEW Thread - Lex
Cornelia de Punctis Censualibus/Lex Cornelia de Centuriata
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... Date: Tue, July 16, 2013 8:59 am
To: "Consular_staff_2013@yahoogroups.com"
<Consular_staff_2013@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Ave Lentulus,


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...
Cn. Lentulus q. L. Sullae cos. et Quiritibus s. d.

First of all, and overall, this proposal has my support, and it is a
real improvement in many things, but it contains 1-2 points which I
would not like to see, or would like to modify. I also correct some
Latin mistakes, which remained therein (I know most of the previous
mistakes are now corrected, but some remained).







Sulla: Thanks we all put alot of work into it. :)


I specify below what my last suggestions are. I know it's tiresome that
new and new suggestions are coming up all the time, but there are so
many things to discuss at the same time that it's very hard to write
down everything at the same time. So let's see what I want to say:







Sulla: I do not mind discussing and finding ways to make the laws
proposed even better! :) The more discussion that happens I believe
will result in a better written law.



In accordance with Section II. E. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma,
the
Lex Cornelia Centuriata is hereby enacted.
<<<



COMMENT: Change text to "Lex Cornelia de punctis censualibus".







Sulla: I caught that after I published the draft. It is already fixed.



and ensure that all of their previous service is represented. The
Censors,
strive to be as accurate as they can be, but it is only with the active
cooperation and involvement of citizens that we can ensure the records
are
as close to perfection as possible. Upon the enactment of this lex, all
CPs
accumulated so far will be totaled and carried over into the new census
points as a direct conversion. There will be no conversion and/or
recalculation of century points to census points.<<<




COMMENT: I would like to see here added that:

"old CPs accumulated prior to the enactment of this law will be
carefully recorded as to how many points for which office was given and
the total amount will be carried over into new census points."

(Fix my English.)

I would like this so that all of our previously held offices be clearly
recorded, each one of them, to make it clear why we had the amount of
old CP we had. I mean, in the new system, if someone had so far 120 CP,
and he is elected consul in the future which will give him 30 CP, his ID
page should not only list 120+30, but it should also list how the
previous 120 was calculated, what offices he held, and how many points
he got for those offices in the past.









Sulla: Let me think this through. My concern is I do not want to
create an undue burden on the Censors. They have alot to deal with -
with the Census, approving new citizens, and working to apply new
citizens to tribes and centuries. T


rejoins Nova Roma – they do not
receive the benefit of being awarded CPs for prior service when they
rejoin
Nova Roma. They must start as if they are a brand new citizen, just as
they
are. However, if a returning citizen wishes to appeal this clause they
must appeal to the Censors who must both agree and then the appeal must
be
approved by the Senate of Nova Roma. If both the Censors and the Senate
approve the appeal the returning citizen will then be awarded back all
their previous earned Census Points. <<<




COMMENT: I would like to see this passage removed, OR changed to
something like this:

"If an individual resigns and later on – rejoins Nova Roma – the
censores shall detract -100 CPs from the returning citizen's CP
account."

If someone resigns twice or even higher if three (or fourth etc) times,
each time he loses -100 in addition. That's a fair and severe
punishment.
It should be also included whether this applies to all past
resignations, or just to future resignations.









Sulla: I am leaning towards removing this as we are already working on
a proposed law in the staff as you well know.

position in a magistrate’s
staff but only get awarded points for one position within that staff. A
citizen may not receive century points for more than three such
simultaneously-held positions.

Apparitore: 5 pts <<<




COMMENT: The last line shall be corrected to Apparitor. Without the
final "-E".









Sulla: Ah ok :)

more than one position within a
province – but only get points awarded for one – the highest ranked
position. If individuals are governor of more than 1 province they only
get
points awarded for one province as they are stake-holders for the
Senate.

Governor 25 CP

Apparitore: 5 pts

Provincial Sacerdos/Priest: 5 CP <<<<




COMMENT: Here again. This shall be corrected to Apparitor. Without the
final "-E".









Sulla: Fixed.


Thanks!,


Sulla


I have no more comments.



Valete!

Cn. Lentulus
quaestor

Ave,

I spoke with the Censors when this was in draft form and they were the ones
who specifically asked to have the provision in there given the amount of
workload the are currently facing I had them write up that specific clause.
The last thing I want to do is to add to their overwhelming workload while
the Census is going on.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave,

I did not forget this request.

I asked the Tribune about reposting this. He said he posted all the texts
on the ML on the 18th of June and the language did not change. So they are
on the ML archives.

This was an abnormally LONG agenda and as such I planned it to cover extra
time. But, it is all has been posted on the ML

Respectfully,

Sulla

All items passed. Item II is a request from Legio XIII Gemina in Texas
for Nova Roma sponsorship.







Item I
Senatus Consulta on the Relationship between Nova Roma and Reenactor
Legions

Resolved, Nova Roma recognizes that one of its foundational principles
is a close association with Roman reenactment legions which conduct face
to face events with the public. Previously, Nova Roma had a good
relationship with some of these reenactment legions. Over time this
relationship has been neglected and taken a backseat to the point that
this relationship has suffered. Now, in our 15th year of existence Nova
Roma is taking constructive steps to rebuild those bridges with the
Reenactor community that falls within our timeframe. In an effort to
rebuild this relationship this Senatus Consult is presented and approved
by the Senate of Nova Roma.

1. Nova Roma recognizes the importance of the Reenactor Legions
and other military units that exist within our timeframe (also referred
to as Legion) as providing a valuable service to not just our citizens
but to the entire global community as a means of entertainment and more
importantly education.

2. Nova Roma reaffirms its desire to sponsor and aid Reenactor
Legions and other military units that exist within our timeframe by
authorizing and sanctioning the creation and participation of the
Reenactor community within our Organization. Nova Roma wants to
promote the sponsorship agreement between Nova Roma and the Reactor
Legions and other military units that exist within our timeframe.

3. Nova Roma wishes to promote the involvement of the members of
the Reenactor Legions and other military units that exist within our
timeframe. The members of those Reenactor organizations are encouraged
to join Nova Roma and participate in all sectors of our community.

4. Nova Roma wishes to encourage the involvement of the members of
the Reenactor Legions and other military units that exist within our
timeframe and to become leaders in both the central government structure
in Nova Roma and also within the provincial organization.

5. Nova Roma recognizes the Sodalitas Militarium as the liaison
between Nova Roma and the Reenactment Community. We thank the
leadership and membership of the Sodalitas for their efforts in keeping
the communication open between Nova Roma and the Reenactor Community.

6. Upon receiving sponsorship between the Legion and Nova Roma the
following benefits will occur:

a. Promotion of Legion Activities within the Nova Roma website
(Front page of the Wiki)

b. Sponsored Legions are encouraged to advertise their events on
the public fora of Nova Roma (email lists).

c. When Nova Roma establishes a Legion/Reenactor Fund those
sponsored Legions will be able to benefit from those funds.

7. When legions seek a sponsorship agreement with Nova Roma we
require at least one member of the military unit to be a citizen of Nova
Roma.

8. Nova Roma authorizes the use of its logo and trademark to those
sponsored Legions to advertise our organization at live events. This
includes the use of our name, likeness, website and email addresses.

9. Nova Roma will work to highlight and promote the Legions within
the organization through various avenues with the cooperation and
assistance of the sponsored legions. If the sponsored Legions have
suggestions to help further this promotion they are encouraged to voice
their ideas and suggestions for further development either publicly or
to the magistrates within the Nova Roma Community.

10. The Senate of Nova Roma reaffirms that it is the organizational
body that approves those legions that seek sponsorship per Section V of
the Constitution of Nova Roma.




Item II
Legion Sponsorship - Legion in Texas Application

Legio XIII Gemina
The non-profit corporate papers have been filed under the name Legion
XIII Historical Foundation, Inc., a Texas non-profit corporation.




Item III
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON SENATORIAL LEAVE OF ABSENCE

The Senate of Nova Roma enacts the following Senatus consultum.

I. A voting member of the Senate may submit written
notification to the Senate list that he/she will be taking a leave of
absence from senatorial duties. This must be in the format described in
section VI.F.5 of the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV. A
proxy, as described in section VI.F.5 of the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE
RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV may be appointed by the voting member of the
Senate. Should the voting member of the Senate be the princeps senatus,
then a Senator shall be appointed by the princeps senatus as his
designated acting replacement as per the process described in section
X.C.5.e of the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV. Should the
princeps senatus fail to appoint a delegated acting replacement then the
process at X.C.5.g shall be followed by the censors but the appointment
shall be for the whole period of the leave of absence.

II. Upon the posting of such notification at (I) above to
the Senate list, one Censor, or both collegiately, may at his/her/their
discretion issue such a voting member of the Senate with a written
exemption from removal from the Senate under sections II.C and/or II.D
of the lex Popillia senatoria for reasons of non-attendance of informal
Senate discussion and/or formal meetings of the Senate in session during
the period of the leave of absence.

III. Once issued this exemption at (II) above shall remain in
force until the voting member of the Senate’s leave of absence expires
without a subsequent request from that member for a renewal of the
exemption to one or both Censors for a further period, or the member
returns to active participation in informal Senate discussion and/or
formal meetings of the Senate in session prior to the expiration of the
leave of absence and notifies the Senate list that his/her leave of
absence is terminated. No removal of the voting member of the Senate
shall take place while such an exemption remains in force. Once issued
this exemption cannot be cancelled, rescinded or otherwise invalidated.

IV. Upon the posting of such notification at (I) above to the
Senate list, the CFO of Nova Roma may at his/her discretion issue such a
voting member of the Senate with a written exemption from the Nova Roman
tax during the period of the leave of absence. Once the exemption is
issued then for the period of the leave of absence the voting member of
the Senate shall be deemed to be of assidui status.

V. Once issued this exemption at (IV) above shall remain in
force until the voting member of the Senate’s leave of absence expires
without a subsequent request from that member for a renewal of the
exemption to the CFO for a further period, or the member returns to
active participation in informal Senate discussion and/or formal
meetings of the Senate in session prior to the expiration of the leave
of absence and notifies the Senate list that his/her leave of absence is
terminated. No tax shall be levied against the voting member of the
Senate shall take place while such an exemption remains in force. Once
issued this exemption cannot be cancelled, rescinded or otherwise
invalidated.

VI. The definitions in section I of the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE
RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV shall apply to the use of any such word or
phrase contained within that section in this Senatus consultum.

VII. Upon enactment of this Senatus consultum:

A. The only lawful method of subsequently superseding, amending or
repealing this Senatus consultum must be by way of a Senatus consultum
that must achieve an extraordinary majority before it can be enacted.
Any other method or attempt shall be illegal and forbidden.

B. No other Senatus consultum shall be enacted where the proposed
content of which conflicts, negates, overrides, limits or otherwise
affects in a negative manner the contents and/or purposes of all or any
part of this Senatus consultum, whether directly or indirectly other
than by the method at specified at VII.A of this Senatus consultum.




Item IV
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON CORPORATE COMPLIANCE

The Senate of Nova Roma enacts the following Senatus consultum.

1. An executive committee of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma
Inc. (aka “The Senate of Nova Roma”) shall be formed.

2. Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix is appointed as the chair of this
executive committee and is empowered to appoint such senators to this
executive committee as he considers necessary. Upon the appointment by
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix of the first senator, this executive
committee shall become active.

3. The mandate of this executive committee is the establishment of
such conditions within Nova Roma as are necessary in the opinion of the
executive committee to promote full, and subsequently continued,
corporate compliance with the laws of the incorporation state of Nova
Roma Inc.

4. The executive committee shall operate with all the authority of
the Board of Directors and may make such recommendations to the Senate
as it sees fit for the furtherance by the Senate of the mandate at (3)
above.




Item V
Senatus Consulta on the Collegium Pontificum

WHEREAS, it has been pointed out by citizens of Nova Roma that the
Collegium Pontificum (hereinafter "College") has not been adequately
responsive in regards to the interaction of the members of the College
and the citizenry, and

WHEREAS, after the matter was pointed out to the College, the members
thereof have either failed to respond or have taken a position that
there is no problem requiring action, and

WHEREAS, pursuant to Section V of the Constitution of Nova Roma, "The
supreme policy-making authority for Nova Roma shall be embodied in its
Senate," and

WHEREAS, the Senate views the responses of the College to this matter to
be inadequate,

IT IS THEREFORE recommended to the College that the following steps be
taken for the good of Nova Roma, so that closer ties may be established
between the citizenry and the College:

I. That one member of the College be appointed, on a
rotating basis, every six months, to serve as a public point of contact
for the citizenry. (It is noted that this is similar to prior action
taken by the Senate with respect to establishing a contact point between
itself and the citizenry.)

II. That correspondence between the citizenry and the College
be forwarded to the College list and posted, unless such correspondence
is specifically labelled as confidential or private.

III. That a database be created in which members of the
College shall log all correspondence between the citizenry and the
College, either using the Database section of the College's Yahoo Group
or a separate file to be stored in the Files section of the College's
Yahoo Group, and that said database include: the date such
correspondence was received; the name of the member of the College who
responded; the date of the response; and a brief summary of the topic.

IV. That a database be created relating to all applicants for
religious posts, and that said database include the Roman name and
status of the applicant, the date the application was received, the
status of the application, and the last date of contact by members of
the College.

V. That every citizen whose application for a religious post
is pending be contacted at least monthly with regular updates.

VI. That between the first and fifth day of every month, the
member of the College then serving as the public point of contact post
on all official fora of Nova Roma: an introduction; a preferred method
of contact for citizens to use that will allow the member of the College
to respond to citizens in a timely manner; and notice of the identity of
the member of the College who will serve as the next public point of
contact along with the date that said member will assume such duties.

VII. That these steps be taken within thirty days of the
publication of these Senatus Consulta.

The College is advised that its failure to implement these measures will
result in the Senate taking further action to ensure that the College is
properly responsive to the needs of the citizens of Nova Roma.




Item VI
Senatus Consulta on Century Points for Princeps Senatus

Resolved, in order to address the oversight of existing law (Lex Vedia
Centuriata and the Lex Fabia Centuriata) that governs the awarding of
Century Points the Senate hereby acts to remedy this oversight by
awarding Century Points for the position of Princeps Senatus.

Any individual who holds the position of Princeps Senatus will be
awarded 15 Century Points for current service.

Any individual who previously held the position of Princeps Senatus will
be awarded 5 Century Points for prior service in the holding of the
position of Princeps Senatus.




Item VII
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON SENATORIAL REVIEW OF PRAETORIAL APPROVAL OF A
PETITIO ACTIONIS

In recognition of the potentially divisive nature of legal proceedings
against a citizen under the terms of the lex Salicia iudiciaria and/or
the lex Salicia poenalis, the Senate of Nova Roma enacts the following
Senatus consultum.

I. Any petitio actionis, or other method of request,
presented to and accepted by a magistrate under the terms and authority
of the lex Salicia iudiciaria and/or the lex Salicia poenalis, shall
immediately after approval is granted be submitted to the Consuls by the
magistrate approving the request, together with his/her full and
comprehensive rationale for acceptance of the request.

II. If one or both consuls, or a praetor, do not exercise
the power of intercessio, or if there is no successful imposition of
tribunician intercessio, to prevent the petitio actionis from proceeding
then at the next Formal meeting of the Senate in session the presiding
magistrate of that session must add the petitio actionis and the
rationale at (I) above to the agenda for discussion and vote. The
magistrate approving the request at (I) above must be identified by the
presiding magistrate as present at the commencement of the session.

III. The presiding magistrate of the session at (II) above
shall submit a draft Senatus consultum to the Senate in respect of this
matter, which shall only state in its body, “The Senate of Nova Roma
approves the acceptance of the petitio actionis from {insert the Nova
Roman name of the actor} requesting action be taken against {insert the
Nova Roman name of the reus} approved by {insert the nova Roman name of
the magistrate approving} on {insert the date approval was
granted}.”

IV. The draft Senatus consultum at (III) above shall require a
special majority in order to pass, where the fraction required under the
definition of ‘special majority” in the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE
SENATUS MMDCCLXV shall be 2/3rds of all voting members of the Senate.

V. The Senate shall review the rationale and shall pose such
questions to the magistrate approving as it sees fit.

VI. Should the magistrate not be present, as required at (II)
above, then the draft Senatus consultum at (III) above shall not be put
to the vote and no approval shall be deemed to be given by the Senate.

VII. Until such time as the Senate approves the draft Senatus
consultum at (III) above, the magistrate approving, or any other
magistrate, shall not proceed to prepare the formula under section V of
the Lex Salicia iudiciaria, nor shall that magistrate, or any other
magistrate, proceed to appoint one or more iudices to a tribunalis for
the purpose of trial of the matter in the petitio actionis, nor shall
the magistrate approving, or any other magistrate, conduct a trial or
other hearing on the matter contained in the petitio actionis, or
declare any sententia in respect of that matter.

VIII. Should the Senate not pass the draft Senatus consultum at
(III) any further petitio actionis subsequently presented by the actor,
or any other person, in respect of all or part of the matters contained
within the petitio actionis at (I) above, shall be automatically deemed
to have been not approved by the Senate without the need for such a
subsequent petitio actionis to presented to the Senate under the process
described above.

IX. For the purposes of section 3.2 of the lex Salicia
poenalis, a right at law is established that no Nova Roman citizen may
be subject to trial under the terms of the lex Salicia iudiciaria and/or
lex Salicia poenalis, or any other form of hearing and/or punishment,
more than once on any matter, whether in part or whole, and whether by
the same or different actors. This right shall require a praetor to
dismiss any petitio actionis that violates this right. A failure on the
part of a praetor to do so shall be deemed to be illegal and any
subsequent proceedings and/or punishment that stem from such a failure
shall be illegal and void. Further such a failure by a praetor shall be
deemed to be Contempt of the Senate for the purposes of the SENATUS
CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV

X. The definitions in section I of the SENATUS CONSULTUM DE
RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV shall apply to the use of any such word or
phrase contained within that section in this Senatus consultum.

XI. Upon enactment of this Senatus consultum:

A. The only lawful method of subsequently superseding, amending or
repealing this Senatus consultum must be by way of a Senatus consultum
that must achieve a special majority before it can be enacted where the
fraction required under the definition of ‘special majority” in the
SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV shall be 2/3rds of all
voting members of the Senate. Any other method or attempt shall be
illegal and forbidden.

B. No other Senatus consultum shall be enacted where the proposed
content of which conflicts, negates, overrides, limits or otherwise
affects in a negative manner the contents and/or purposes of all or any
part of this Senatus consultum, whether directly or indirectly other
than by the method at specified at XI.A of this Senatus consultum.







Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis


Vivat Nova Roma!

Salvete omnes,

I meant to reply to this but had a computer issue.  The study of the virtues of ancient Rome is what led in large part to me deciding to actual join Nova Roma.  So this is a topic near and dear to my heart.  I have not explored any of them thoroughly (yet).  This year I am focusing on Frugalitas, Humanitas, and Prudentia.  I would also like to mention that there is a Sodalitas Virtutis list on yahoo.groups.  It hasn't been active this year but I would be very interested in reviving it with some like minded people.  I would really love to discuss what each of these meant and see if we can come to some consensus on what that would look like if practiced in today's world.  It is one thing to read about what this meant to ancient people but trying to see how it can impact your life today is sometimes more difficult.

Valete optime,
Appia Gratia Avita




________________________________
From: Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@... To: Nova-Roma Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] On Being Roman



 
Salvete omnes,
 
Buried in the files on the NR wiki in the Via Romana section on a lonely, little viewed page is a copy of the Roman Virtues.  If you have not read them in a while, or never read them, they are here:
 
Personal virtues
 
These are the qualities of life to which every citizen (and, ideally, everyone else) should aspire. They are the heart of the Via Romana — the Roman Way — and are thought to be those qualities which gave the Roman Republic the moral strength to conquer and civilize the world. Today, they are the rods against which we can measure our own behavior and character, and we can strive to better understand and practice them in our everyday lives.
 
* Auctoritas - "Spiritual Authority" The sense of one's social standing, built up through experience, Pietas, and Industria.
* Comitas - "Humour" Ease of manner, courtesy, openness, and friendliness.
* Clementia - "Mercy" Mildness and gentleness.
* Dignitas - "Dignity" A sense of self-worth, personal pride.
* Firmitas - "Tenacity" Strength of mind, the ability to stick to one's purpose.
* Frugalitas - "Frugalness" Economy and simplicity of style, without being miserly.
* Gravitas - "Gravity" A sense of the importance of the matter at hand, responsibility and earnestness.
* Honestas - "Respectibility" The image that one presents as a respectable member of society.
* Humanitas - "Humanity" Refinement, civilization, learning, and being cultured.
* Industria - "Industriousness" Hard work.
* Pietas - "Dutifulness" More than religious piety; a respect for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously. Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others.
* Prudentia - "Prudence" Foresight, wisdom, and personal discretion.
* Salubritas - "Wholesomeness" Health and cleanliness.
* Severitas - "Sternness" Gravity, self-control.
* Veritas - "Truthfulness" Honesty in dealing with others.
Public virtues
 
In addition to the private virtues which were aspired to by individuals, Roman culture also strove to uphold virtues which were shared by all of society in common. Note that some of the virtues to which individuals were expected to aspire are also public virtues to be sought by society as a whole. These virtues were often expressed by minting them on coinage; in this way, their message would be shared by all the classical world. In many cases, these virtues were personified as deities.

* Abundantia - "Abundance, Plenty" The ideal of there being enough food and prosperity for all segments of society.
* Aequitas - "Equity" Fair dealing both within government and among the people.
* Bonus Eventus  - "Good fortune" Rememberance of important positive events.
* Clementia - "Clemency" Mercy, shown to other nations.
* Concordia - "Concord" Harmony among the Roman people, and also between Rome and other nations.
* Felicitas - "Happiness, prosperity" A celebration of the best aspects of Roman society.
* Fides - "Confidence" Good faith in all commercial and governmental dealings.
* Fortuna - "Fortune" An acknowledgement of positive events.
* Genius - "Spirit of Rome" Acknowledgement of the combined spirit of Rome, and its people. \
* Hilaritas - "Mirth, rejoicing" An expression of happy times. \
* Iustitia - "Justice" As expressed by sensible laws and governance.
* Laetitia - "Joy, Gladness" The celebration of thanksgiving, often of the resolution of crisis.
* Liberalitas - "Liberality" Generous giving.
* Libertas - "Freedom" A virtue which has been subsequently aspired to by all cultures.
* Nobilitas - "Noblility" Noble action within the public sphere.
* Ops - "Wealth" Acknowledgement of the prosperity of the Roman world.
* Patientia - "Endurance, Patience" The ability to weather storms and crisis.
* Pax - "Peace" A celebration of peace among society and between nations.
* Pietas - "Piety, Dutifulness" People paying honor to the gods.
* Providentia - "Providence, Fortethought" The ability of Roman society to survive trials and manifest a greater destiny.
* Pudicita - "Modesty, Chastity." A public expression which belies the accusation of "moral corruptness" in ancient Rome.
* Salus - "Safety" Concern for public health and welfare.
* Securitas - "Confidence, Security" Brought by peace and efficient governance.
* Spes - "Hope" Especially during times of difficulty.
* Uberitas - "Fertility" Particularly concerning agriculture.
* Virtus - "Courage" Especially of leaders within society and government.

The Question is: Which ones did you uphold and which ones did you violate today, yesterday, last week and over the course of the last year?
 
If you are not sure, go here and think about it:
http://tinyurl.com/psp9y3l
 
CIVES, REMEMBER YOURSELVES!
 
In private and in public.
 
Valete optime,
Triarius

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Salve amica,

That is a good idea, Caeca. I shall not start again today (being a *dies
ater, *I shan't begin anew today), but I shall start over from the
beginning. At some point, someone asked my permission to add material from
the Roman Virtues Project to the wiki, and I gave permission, but I don't
think it ever happened. Maybe I'll do so myself, this time. I was trying to
keep to the Nundinal calendar last time, maybe I shall try to keep that
schedule again . . . it seemed previously that a *nundinum *was sufficient
time to discuss one virtue before moving on to the next. The bext *nundinae
*is tomorrow, so I'll try to post tomorrow (though I'll be on the road to
Tucson and attending meetings relating to the coming school year tomorrow,
but I should have internet access!).

Vale!

Salve Canine,

Item IV was changed in debate period and this is not the final text that
was voted on.

Vale optime,
Crassus

A. Liburnius Sullae consuli forensibus S.P.D.

Thank you for your answer.


Respectfully,
ALH



________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Report of Senate session closed on 9 July 2013


Ave,

I did not forget this request.

I asked the Tribune about reposting this.  He said he posted all the texts
on the ML on the 18th of June and the language did not change.  So they are
on the ML archives.

This was an abnormally LONG agenda and as such I planned it to cover extra
time.  But, it is all has been posted on the ML

Respectfully,

Sulla

M. Pompeius Caninus civibus plebeianis salutem plurimam dicit:


The voting period for the Comitia Plebis Tributa began at 9:01am Rome
Time today. The only item being considered is Lex Pompeia de ratione
comitiorum plebis tributorum, the full text of which can be read at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Pompeia_de_ratione_comitiorum_plebis_tributorum_(Nova_Roma)



As a reminder, the voting period will continue until 9:01am Rome Time on
22 July 2013; however, there will be no votes cast on July 19th and July
21st. The schedule as previously published is:



09:01 AM ROME TIME 17-July-2013 : Call to vote. Voting period begins.

The Cista will be closed on July 19th and July 21st - no citizen shall
vote on those two days.

09:01 AM ROME TIME 22-July-2013 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM ROME TIME 23-July-2013 : Call to close issued before this time.



Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

M. Pompeius Caninus civibus plebeianis salutem plurimam dicit:


1. Please go your Album Civium page at
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album and log in using your full Roman
name and password. If you have forgotten your password or have trouble
logging in with your Roman name, click on the 'fogot password?' link in
the log in box. You will be asked: Enter your full Roman Name, Email, or
Citizen ID Number and to enter a code on the page to have your new
password sent to your registered email address.

2. Once you are on your Album Civium page, click the link near the
middle of the page that reads 'vote here...' to get your voter code.

3. Click the 'go vote' button.

4. You will be taken to a page displaying the list of Cistae and their
current status.

5. Look for the second Cista called 'Comitia Plebis Tributa' and click
the 'Vote' button.

6. You will see a ballot that will have one item, a law, and will be
asked to vote Yes, No or Abstineo (Abstain). The default choice is
Abstineo so be sure to select either Yes or No --- unless, of course,
you really do want to abstain.

7. Click the 'Submit Vote' button to actually cast your vote and send it
to the election officials.

8. Once your vote is submitted a new page will be displayed with your
receipt. Please print or save your receipt page for your records.

9. The election officials will count and tabulate the vote. Voting in
the Comitia Plebis Tributa is by tribe and, unlike the two other
Comitia, only Plebeians are permitted to vote. The polls close at 9:01am
Rome Time on 22 July 2766 AUC. The election results will be announced as
soon as possible after the polls have closed and results are certified.


The voting period for the Comitia Plebis Tributa began at 9:01am Rome
Time today. The only item being considered is Lex Pompeia de ratione
comitiorum plebis tributorum, the full text of which can be read at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Pompeia_de_ratione_comitiorum_plebis_tributorum_(Nova_Roma)



As a reminder, the voting period will continue until 9:01am Rome Time on
22 July 2013; however, there will be no votes cast on July 19th and July
21st. The schedule as previously published is:



09:01 AM ROME TIME 17-July-2013 : Call to vote. Voting period begins.

The Cista will be closed on July 19th and July 21st - no citizen shall
vote on those two days.

09:01 AM ROME TIME 22-July-2013 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM ROME TIME 23-July-2013 : Call to close issued before this time.



Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!