Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jul 25-31, 2013

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91357 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Resources on gladiatorial combat?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91358 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Very cool link
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91359 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Resources on gladiatorial combat?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91360 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91361 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Very cool link
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91362 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91363 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91364 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91365 From: Jenni Rosser Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91366 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91367 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91368 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91369 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91370 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91371 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91372 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91373 From: Scipio Second Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91374 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91375 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91376 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91377 From: Tanya Bergstein Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91378 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91379 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91380 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91381 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91382 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91383 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91384 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91385 From: Sabinus Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91386 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91387 From: SP Robinson Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91388 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91389 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91390 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91391 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91392 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91393 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91394 From: James V Hooper Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91395 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91396 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91397 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-29
Subject: Results from the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91398 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Rome's Lost Legions.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91399 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Re: Rome's Lost Legions.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91400 From: Scipio Second Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Re: Rome's Lost Legions.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91357 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Resources on gladiatorial combat?
In a message dated 7/23/2013 11:00:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rajuc47@... writes:

I've been wanting to learn a bit about gladiatorial combat (history, types
of games and fighters, equipment, et cetera...), and I'm sure that
somebody here knows of some good educational resources. I'm interested in books,
websites, documentaries, and any other type of good information. I have
the seed of an idea rolling around in my head for starting a local group
dedicated to gladiatorial combat, assuming I find enough interested folks. It
would help to educate myself a bit before I attempt to do anything. I'd
appreciate any help that you all can provide.

I wrote this in 2006 for History Magazine

Best,
Q.Fabius Maximus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91358 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Very cool link
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Excellent map, Sulla. I already checked my area. It is very nice to see there places I visited.
Thanks for posting.

VALE ET VALETE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


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From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Very cool link



 
Ave,

I found this on facebook:

http://www.ancient.eu.com/map_pelagios/

Respectfully,

Sulla

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91359 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Resources on gladiatorial combat?
C. Decius Laterensis Q. Fabio Maximo S.P.D.


It looks like Yahoo cut off the actual article from your message.  I do look forward to reading it, though.  Also, can you recommend any good books on the subject?


Di te incolumem custodiant!


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From: "QFabiusMaxmi@..." <QFabiusMaxmi@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resources on gladiatorial combat?



 


In a message dated 7/23/2013 11:00:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rajuc47@... writes:

I've been wanting to learn a bit about gladiatorial combat (history, types
of games and fighters, equipment, et cetera...), and I'm sure that
somebody here knows of some good educational resources. I'm interested in books,
websites, documentaries, and any other type of good information. I have
the seed of an idea rolling around in my head for starting a local group
dedicated to gladiatorial combat, assuming I find enough interested folks. It
would help to educate myself a bit before I attempt to do anything. I'd
appreciate any help that you all can provide.

I wrote this in 2006 for History Magazine

Best,
Q.Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91360 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

I extend my sincere thanks to everyone who participated in our discussion
of *auctoritas. *Continuing the Roman Virtues Project, let us move to the
next virtue on the list: *Comitas*
Our website defines *comitas *thusly:
"Humour" Ease of manner, courtesy, openness, and friendliness.
The definition from the Oxford Latin Dictionary is as follows:
1. Friendliness, considerateness, courtesy, graciousness *b. *(in respect
of giving) generosity, obligingness
2. Good taste, elegance
Something worth consideration, especially considering the
unpleasantness in some discussions in Nova Roma. The Romans valued *comitas.
*A Roman ceased to be truly Roman and became a mere barbarian if he was
boorish, crass, and inconsiderate. Displaying good taste, a sense of
elegance, and courtesy was an important feature of Roman civilization, and
should be again. Of course, one may question whether the average citizen in
the back allies of the Subura considered *comitas *as important as, say, a
noble senator, but all my own research leads me to conclude that it was.
Similarly stratified societies often show an intense awareness of the due
courtesies by all members of society - perhaps *especially *among those of
the lower classes, who expect to see their "betters" behaving properly. And
the average Romans valued *comitas *among themselves, certainly.
What do you think of the virtue of *comitas? *How is it best
displayed, lived, practiced today? How do we keep ourselves on the path of
courtesy and friendliness, and away from crude, crass, boorish words and
deeds? Who are the ancient - and even modern - exemplars of *comitas *whom
we should admire and emulate? How do we remind ourselves, as Romans, to
always give due consideration and courtesy to others?

This may be a difficult virtue for modern people to practice -
especially in the West, perhaps especially in the United States, where
manners and courtesy, assumed by the Founders to be essential components of
society, have often ceased to be respected, and individualism prompts some
to obey their passions rather than their sense of decency. It seems a
modern Western axiom that the way to prevail is to be the one shouting the
loudest and the longest, but Romans knew that *comitas *often achieved
better results. This is one of the Roman virtues that the modern world most
needs.
Valete omnes, I look forward to your thoughts!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91361 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Very cool link
Avete!

The Pelagios Project that produced the data sets and map can be found at
http://pelagios-project.blogspot.co.uk

Valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.





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Subject: [BackAlley] Very cool link
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... Date: Thu, July 25, 2013 1:14 am
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com <backalley@yahoogroups.com

Ave,

I found this on facebook:


http://www.ancient.eu.com/map_pelagios/



Respectfully,


Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91362 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Comitia and the NR Wiki
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.


I had a thought. Right now, every time we call a Comitia, we post a note on the NR wiki and Facebook group, but leave the majority of the details to the ML. While I agree that the contio should be entirely contained on here on the ML so everyone can participate fully, that's no reason to keep all the details here, too.

What I'm thinking is that every time we call a comitia, we create a page on the wiki that contains the schedule and links to everything that's up for vote.  Also, once the vote is done, we can post the results to that page for archival purposes.  Since the wiki is pretty much our public face, I'd personally like to see more done with it. Anything that makes us look more active would be a bonus, I'd think.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91363 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Welcome to new member
Salvete omnes!

I am pleased to be able to welcome our new members, particularly those who have joined today.

It is always a pleasure to see new citizens join us, and to watch their progress as they take their first steps among us.

Those just joining us are Gnaea Genucia Bruta, Marcus Valerius Pulvillus, and Marcus Ovidius Malleolus.

All of us will be interested yo know who you are, where you come from, and what has drawn you to Nova Roma. Please take a few moments to tell us about yourselves, and introduce yourselves to us.

You will want us to welcome you, and we can best do that if we know a little about you, and so please give us a little background to help us understand the sort of things that interest you and make you excited about Nova Roma and the Roman world.

Valete omnes!

Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91364 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus C. Decio Laterensi s. p. d.

We did exactly the same thing what you suggest, Gai Deci, in the past; however, today we have much less people to work for Nova Roma, back then, before the schism, dozens of people worked on updating our website with the various events and news. There are many such election pages archived on our website for providing example what such a page can look like. There is nothing that could stop us creating such pages for our next voting period, except the shortage of manpower and the luck of active editors. To update our website with everything and always, it's not a one man job. I would do it myself right now, but there are many concurrent edit job going on the website that I need to revise, therefore currently I can not do that; but anyone can go ahead and do it. We are lucky to have this wonderful device our NR Wiki, which is a community project and every citizen is an editor. The editor-in-chief tries to do MANY thing himself, but he should not do
EVERYTHING himself (it would not be productive in the long run) and he also CAN NOT do everything himself. I don't say it as a defence, nor do I say it as a complaint, I say it as a kind of encouragement: the website is yours (plural), use it at your (constructive) pleasure! The job of the editor-in-chief is to harmonize and control the edit-orgy, sometimes to cut down unfortunate accretions, sometimes to encourage beneficial growths.

Vale!
Cn. Lentulus
magister aranearius



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Da: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... A: NR Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Inviato: Giovedì 25 Luglio 2013 17:12
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Comitia and the NR Wiki



 
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

I had a thought. Right now, every time we call a Comitia, we post a note on the NR wiki and Facebook group, but leave the majority of the details to the ML. While I agree that the contio should be entirely contained on here on the ML so everyone can participate fully, that's no reason to keep all the details here, too.

What I'm thinking is that every time we call a comitia, we create a page on the wiki that contains the schedule and links to everything that's up for vote.  Also, once the vote is done, we can post the results to that page for archival purposes.  Since the wiki is pretty much our public face, I'd personally like to see more done with it. Anything that makes us look more active would be a bonus, I'd think.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91365 From: Jenni Rosser Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Greetings
I have chosen the name Gnaea Genucia Bruta. I am a long time member of a
recreation group. I have recently been involved with research on Late
Imperial Roman clothing and food. Once I started learning I realized this
the time period that I need to recreate. I am looking for information on
how to make my camp more Roman plus information on clothing and especially
food. Thank you for letting me join. I look forward to meeting people on my
travels.

~Gnaea Genucia Bruta


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jbshr1pwa@...
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91366 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Caninus Laterensi sal.


One or more Comitia may be summoned in August. I will make sure to post
a page on the NR Wiki with the summons and the results the next time the
Comitia Plebis Tributa is summoned.


Gratias tibi ago.


Bene vale!


Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.





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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Comitia and the NR Wiki
From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... Date: Thu, July 25, 2013 7:12 am
To: NR Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

I had a thought. Right now, every time we call a Comitia, we post a
note on the NR wiki and Facebook group, but leave the majority of the
details to the ML. While I agree that the contio should be entirely
contained on here on the ML so everyone can participate fully, that's no
reason to keep all the details here, too.

What I'm thinking is that every time we call a comitia, we create a
page on the wiki that contains the schedule and links to everything
that's up for vote. Also, once the vote is done, we can post the
results to that page for archival purposes. Since the wiki is pretty
much our public face, I'd personally like to see more done with it.
Anything that makes us look more active would be a bonus, I'd think.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91367 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Ave Bruta!
 
A big welcome to NR!
 
If you haven't already done so, you might want to look at:
 
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sodalitas_Coquorum_et_Cerevisiae_Coctorum_(Nova_Roma)
 
It's the cooks and brewers guild.
 
Vale optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"It is not how LONG you live, but how WELL you live" - Seneca


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From: Jenni Rosser <jenni.rosser08@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Welcome to new member


Greetings
I have chosen the name Gnaea Genucia Bruta. I am a long time member of a
recreation group. I have recently been involved with research on Late
Imperial Roman clothing and food. Once I started learning I realized this
the time period that I need to recreate. I am looking for information on
how to make my camp more Roman plus information on clothing and especially
food. Thank you for letting me join. I look forward to meeting people on my
travels.

~Gnaea Genucia Bruta


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM, GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <
jbshr1pwa@...
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91368 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Avete!!

Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope you enjoy it. Please feel free to jump in
and join the conversations. :)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul


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jbshr1pwa@...
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91369 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Ave!

This is a great idea and NR is growing again so we should easily be able to
do this in the coming comitias :)

I do not plan on on in August, but I do plan on September, November and
December.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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cn_corn_lent@...
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91370 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Salvete omnes!

Considering that I can't even manage to change the picture on my Album
Civium page (the very first time I tried that, I created a new page on the
site with ...me ... as the only thing on it) I'll *never* want to edit the
WIKI, but I thought there was a problem issuing passwords to those who do.
Has Caninus worked his cyber magic and fixed that issue? It's so nice to
have a resident wizard!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91371 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Ave,'

It depends on the error one is getting. I got my password and I have made
some edits to the Wiki, but my knowledge is very very limited.

Caninus and I got Audens password issue squared away too. And, that had
been a longstanding problem.

If there is an error there is and should be a work around by now.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91372 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Laterensi omnibusque salutem dicit Caninus:


Did you have something like this in mind?

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Comitia_Plebis_Tributa_Archive

Bene vale et valete!



Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.





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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Comitia and the NR Wiki
From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... Date: Thu, July 25, 2013 7:12 am
To: NR Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

I had a thought. Right now, every time we call a Comitia, we post a
note on the NR wiki and Facebook group, but leave the majority of the
details to the ML. While I agree that the contio should be entirely
contained on here on the ML so everyone can participate fully, that's no
reason to keep all the details here, too.

What I'm thinking is that every time we call a comitia, we create a
page on the wiki that contains the schedule and links to everything
that's up for vote. Also, once the vote is done, we can post the
results to that page for archival purposes. Since the wiki is pretty
much our public face, I'd personally like to see more done with it.
Anything that makes us look more active would be a bonus, I'd think.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91373 From: Scipio Second Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
Salve Gnaea Genucia Bruta,
 
Welcome to Nova Roma.   You will find, I am sure, Nova Roma to be an interesting society filled with fascinating personalities.   We are glad you have joined us.   Let me know if you wander near Houston, Texas.
 
Vale,
 
Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus Legionis
Legio XIII Gemina
Houston, Texas


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From: Jenni Rosser <jenni.rosser08@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Welcome to new member


Greetings
I have chosen the name Gnaea Genucia Bruta. I am a long time member of a
recreation group. I have recently been involved with research on Late
Imperial Roman clothing and food. Once I started learning I realized this
the time period that I need to recreate. I am looking for information on
how to make my camp more Roman plus information on clothing and especially
food. Thank you for letting me join. I look forward to meeting people on my
travels.

~Gnaea Genucia Bruta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91374 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Welcome to new member
M.Quadra Felix Crispus, Salutem plurimam dicit(http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail)

Gnaea Genucia Bruta, Marcus Valerius Pulvillus,and Marcus Ovidius Malleolus

...Vobis autem dico Exspectata!
...to you I say Welcome!


cum Novae Romae quia MMIII,
with Nova Roma since 2003,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Welcome to new member


Avete!!

Welcome to Nova Roma.  I hope you enjoy it.  Please feel free to jump in
and join the conversations. :)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91375 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: Comitia and the NR Wiki
Laterensis Canino omnibusque S.P.D.

Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. Instead of listing the complete text of the drafted leges, linking to their individual pages might be better. It would take up less space on the page and it would reduce the number of pages that need to be edited each time the draft is updated.

As to the work required, I have a wiki editing account and some experience working with wikis, so I can help as needed. If I get bored later, I might try making an infobox template for the essential information so people can get the basics at a glance.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91376 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2013-07-25
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Virtues: Comitas
Ave Audens,

Well said! Thank you for your contribution to our discussion!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91377 From: Tanya Bergstein Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Appia Gratia Avita Gaio Tullio Valeriano Germanico et omnibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

Here are my thoughts on the subject of comitas.

Comitas seems like such an "old-fashioned" kind of thing.  And it is true that those of us in the West don't think about this as much as we should.  I recently saw a video that we are going to be sharing with high school seniors that talks about this and the internal mechanisms that play into us choosing how we act vs. the default setting of people are simply an inconvenience and in my way  (http://vimeo.com/66775750 ).   Anyway, in our school (for those who don't know I teach high school English/Language Arts) we have a monthly class designed to focus on what happens after school.  We discuss things like how to choose a career, what is it like to have to pay bills, how to manage time and all those other skills we don't often think about teaching directly to young adults.  At least 1 lesson per year focuses on how we treat each other.  I wrote the conflict resolution lesson this year and found out some interesting statistics.  For example,
research shows that 60-80% of all difficulties in organizations come from strained relationships between employees, not from deficits in individual employee’s skill or motivation.  Over 1 million Americans miss at least one day of work per year due to stress.  One of the points I make in the lesson is that resolving conflict often involves forgiveness.  Forgiveness requires empathy, compassion, and courage.  Ghandi himself said “The weak can never forgive.  Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.”  It is much harder to let something go, to stop carrying a chip on your shoulder, to put something in the past in order to maintain friendly and cordial relationships.

All of this plays into comitas.  In some ways, living with friendliness, courtesy, and graciousness seems counter-intuitive.  In our society we think “nice guys always finish last.”  We don’t often think that being kind and thoughtful is a position of strength.  Yet, when I look at myself and my reputation I can’t think of anything more important.  I am kind because I appreciate kindness shown to me.  I try to be gracious, even to those I really don’t like, because I appreciate the same.  In other words, I endeavor to live with comitas in part because of what I get in return.  

How often are we touched by some story in the news?  It happens all of the time to most of us.  When I think of comitas I inevitably think of the Amish school shooting of a few years ago.  Do you remember how people were astonished at the reaction of the Amish community?  The community mourned this horrific tragedy and yet they made a point to contact the murder’s wife and children.  They looked to the family’s needs even after their own children had been slaughtered.  Their primary concern was to the others.  Their strength, dignity and compassion made many people stop and reflect on how that is missing in our modern, busy, disconnected world.   

This past summer I had the privilege of driving across the country with my two boys and my fiancé.  On our trip we drove through Amish country near where that shooting happened, through Sandy Hook, past Virginia Tech and a mile from Columbine.  In fact, we drove past Columbine because I was showing my children where I used to live.  I can vividly remember so much about that day and the following year because I lived a mile away.  It wasn’t intentional that we drove past all of those schools.  It just happened that way.  I told my boys (ages 13 and 11) about living in Littleton, about the Amish school shooting.  They already knew about Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech.  But when I told them about the Amish story they were filled with amazement.  They were absolutely certain that if someone killed their children they could never, ever meet with that individual’s family and help them.  When I reflect on the condemnation that people heaped on
Nancy Lanza, the Sandy Hook killer’s mother, I can see how very far our society has moved away from comitas.  No one knows what the family circumstances were like.  No one knows what she went through in the years before her son did this.  Perhaps she made mistakes and those mistakes may have caused those little children at Sandy Hook to lose their lives.  But the truth is we don’t know.  We don’t know if some graciousness, kindness and friendliness shown to her or her child could have changed the future. In our effort to try to understand, to make sense of it, we condemn.  The Amish didn’t do this.  They didn’t try to understand, they didn’t try to condemn.  They saw a family – a mother and two grieving children and they let go of their hurt and confusion enough to make contact.

In our effort to live as the Romans did comitas is a great way to start.  Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi, was an example of living with graciousness, with comitas.  She famously said that her children were her jewels.  Cornelia, Senecca says, lost 10 children by number.  But she also lost two great men in the brothers Gracchi.  She forbade those around her to blame Fortune for she was grateful to have given birth to the brothers.  Seneca ends by saying that is the kind of mother he wants his mother to be.  Seneca said she was a woman who deserved to be ranked with the great men and Plutarch said her noble spirit and education allowed her to overcome many tragedies.  All of this can be summed up in graciousness of manner.  

One is left to wonder what would happen if we all endeavored to live with graciousness, friendliness and courtesy.  This doesn’t mean avoiding lively debates or for a person to accept all mistreatment that comes his way without responding.  But, if we all showed more courtesy to one another as a society, no matter where we live in the world, would we decrease the violence?  Could something as simple as that have prevented one of the tragedies above?  We will never know.  But being gracious to others costs me nothing and yet I gain so much from it.  I’ll continue trying to live with courtesy and kindness.  In a word I will continue to try to live with comitas.
 


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@... To: Nova-Roma Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:16 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Virtues: Comitas




Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

I extend my sincere thanks to everyone who participated in our discussion
of *auctoritas. *Continuing the Roman Virtues Project, let us move to the
next virtue on the list: *Comitas*
Our website defines *comitas *thusly:
"Humour" Ease of manner, courtesy, openness, and friendliness.
The definition from the Oxford Latin Dictionary is as follows:
1. Friendliness, considerateness, courtesy, graciousness *b. *(in respect
of giving) generosity, obligingness
2. Good taste, elegance
Something worth consideration, especially considering the
unpleasantness in some discussions in Nova Roma. The Romans valued *comitas.
*A Roman ceased to be truly Roman and became a mere barbarian if he was
boorish, crass, and inconsiderate. Displaying good taste, a sense of
elegance, and courtesy was an important feature of Roman civilization, and
should be again. Of course, one may question whether the average citizen in
the back allies of the Subura considered *comitas *as important as, say, a
noble senator, but all my own research leads me to conclude that it was.
Similarly stratified societies often show an intense awareness of the due
courtesies by all members of society - perhaps *especially *among those of
the lower classes, who expect to see their "betters" behaving properly. And
the average Romans valued *comitas *among themselves, certainly.
What do you think of the virtue of *comitas? *How is it best
displayed, lived, practiced today? How do we keep ourselves on the path of
courtesy and friendliness, and away from crude, crass, boorish words and
deeds? Who are the ancient - and even modern - exemplars of *comitas *whom
we should admire and emulate? How do we remind ourselves, as Romans, to
always give due consideration and courtesy to others?

This may be a difficult virtue for modern people to practice -
especially in the West, perhaps especially in the United States, where
manners and courtesy, assumed by the Founders to be essential components of
society, have often ceased to be respected, and individualism prompts some
to obey their passions rather than their sense of decency. It seems a
modern Western axiom that the way to prevail is to be the one shouting the
loudest and the longest, but Romans knew that *comitas *often achieved
better results. This is one of the Roman virtues that the modern world most
needs.
Valete omnes, I look forward to your thoughts!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91378 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque S.P.D.

I know I may have responded to this when this posted the first round. But
its a good virtue so I will definitely share my thoughts once more. I
think my choices on who I think displays such virtue may also have changed
since the first round was posted.

To me Comitas means the epitome of grace and courtesy. Impeccable manners
and an ability to adapt to any social environment that one can find
themselves in. It also means and this is just my interpretation that to
display Comitas you are basically also a paragon of virtue.

The best examples from Roma Antiqua: Cornelia Mother of the Gracchi goes
without saying, Marcus Aurelius to an extent, even Sempronia the Mother
of Fulvia mainly due to being the last of the Gracchi.

Other Notable Figures: Eleanor Roosevelt, Cleopatra, Martha Washington.

And of course our very own Novi Romani: Cn. Lentulus, C. Maria Caeca,
Crispus, Quadratus, C. Aemelius Crassus, Caninus. They are always seems
willing to help others, they are always gracious, and just are covered in
the essence of Comitas.

My two denarii worth anyway :-)

I look forward to the next Virtue.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91379 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Salvete Omnes!



I always enjoy discussions that keep my mind happily occupied for a couple
of days, as this one, and our last one, have done. In trying to decide what
I wanted to say about Comitas, I had some problems. First, the Roman
virtues aren't like beads on a string. They don't exist in a vacuum, so to
speak. One relies on the others, and it seems to me, that sometimes the
lines between them get a bit blurry, though each has its own special
characteristics. Practicing auctoritas, for example, may well, and I think
usually does, involve the practice of dignitas, and practicing Comitas may
involve practicing clementia, (in the personal, not the public or political
sense.)



Then, I realized that Comitas describes, in great measure, the way I was
raised to behave, though my Grandmother, my intellectual and spiritual
tutrix, called it consideration. I think that, if we look deeply enough, we
will see that the Roman virtues, though they have been influenced by other
things, aren't so removed from modern day thinking as might appear.



But, really, I wanted to talk about my Grandmother, as my own personal model
of Comitas, and my ideal. I have known my Grandmother to become extremely
angry, but I *never* saw her lose control of herself or her actions. She
could dress one down (as I have good reason to know) with consummate
courtesy, and believe me, that was *far* more effective, and much less
answerable, than a rant.



She taught me that people deserved my respect, until they demonstrated
otherwise, and that respect does not differ, or the showing of that respect
does not change, regardless of status, net worth, race, or any other factor.
Other things might influence the ways in which we deal with people, but
those are based more on relationship. Teacher/student, parent/child,
friend/friend, for example. The important thing, though, as she taught me,
was that in any interaction, no matter how brief or casual, if one came from
an attitude of willingness to like and accept a person, it would be easier
to be open, respectful, and friendly. Of course, my Grandmother was a
teacher for most of her life, so liking people came naturally to her, as it
does to me.



I have 2 little stories to illustrate this. She taught in a "school" for
Juvenile offenders for many years. It seems that, once, a new student said
something obscene to her when she asked him to do something. Before she
could even react, 2 fullbacks rose, walked to the young man's chair, lifted
him to his feet, and explained, quietly, that he was now going to apologize
to Mrs. Alison .and never speak to her in that way again. They didn't
threaten, the young man knew what would happen if he didn't, so he did. I'd
like to say he became one of her best students, but I have no idea. The
other involves a letter she received, and once read, to me. She got a note
from one of her former students, who thanked her for all she had tried to do
to help him, mentioning, among other things, that she always treated him
with respect then he told her that he wished he had followed her advice.
Since he was going to be executed (yes, the death penalty was in place,
then) the next day, he just wanted to let her know that he was thinking of
her, and that she was one of the good influences in his life.



Now, I'm not talking about what many call "nice" behavior, which is
adherence to form, and contains no genuine feeling or honesty, nor am I
talking about insipidness or spinelessness. It is possible to have
different opinions, recognize them as such, and debate them, even
passionately, while being respectful and willing to listen and perhaps
change one's mind, or not, and say so in a non-hurtful manner.



I have noticed that people express their consideration in different ways,
some of which seem to be rude, and are not. Sometimes this is a matter of
linguistics. Today, a gentleman felt it necessary to guide me through my
apartment lobby. I let him, because I could tell that he was acting out of
kindness .but he kept saying "come straight ahead, Mama." Not my way of
speaking to a Stranger, but it didn't matter; I understood him, thanked him,
and went on my way.



There are times, yes, when one cannot be friendly, or kind, or even
considerate. If, for example, someone physically were to threaten my safety
or the safety of ones I love, my reaction would be very simple, direct, and
only one of us would walk away from the encounter. If I believe that
someone means me emotional harm or psychological harm, or is trying to
manipulate me, I will remove them from my life, quietly, completely and
permanently.



In short, while acting with Comitas isn't exactly instinctive, it can
become, with attention and effort, the base attitude from which we interact
with other people. I cannot control what other people do or say, but I do
have complete control over what *I* do and say, and when I do not act in the
way I believe to be "right" (meaning in a way that is not in accord with my
own moral code), then I am the one responsible, and I have disappointed
myself.



Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91380 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Salve Aeternia, et salvete omnes!

Why, thank you, Aeternia. That is a very kind and gracious compliment.

Vale, et valete optime!

Crispus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91381 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Salvete Omnes!



Yes, thank you for the very kind compliment, Aeternia, and I entirely agree
with many of your choices. Some of them, in fact, have become close
friends, primarily, at least initially, because of the courtesy and kindness
they showed me as a new citizen.



Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91382 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Caninus Aeterniae omnibusque sal.


Thank you, Aeternia!


I don't believe I should be included among such gracious people. I chose
comitas as one of the virtues to work on this year because I am
generally anti-social and not very respectful. Openness, courtesy and
friendliness are rarely seen. I am still too rude, crude and rough
around the edges. (Not to mention lazy but that is another discussion.)
I find comitas in a number of the Stoics, including Marcus Aurelius as
you pointed out, and I hope to improve by studying them.


The biggest problem with this virtue is that it is easy to fake and very
difficult to infuse deeply into ones life. Mitch Romney, for instance,
seems to exhibit comitas until you get him in a situation where you
learn how he really thinks. Many people have a thin veneer of courtesy
and graciousness that is easily cracked. There seems to be a lot of that
kind of selective comitas in today's society but it was probably true in
ancient Rome too. Comitas is one of the most difficult virtues for me,
and probably a lot of modern Romans, to harness in a meaningful way.


Facite valeatis!


Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.





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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Virtues: Comitas
From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@... Date: Thu, July 25, 2013 8:53 pm
To: nova-roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque S.P.D.

I know I may have responded to this when this posted the first round.
But
its a good virtue so I will definitely share my thoughts once more. I
think my choices on who I think displays such virtue may also have
changed
since the first round was posted.

To me Comitas means the epitome of grace and courtesy. Impeccable
manners
and an ability to adapt to any social environment that one can find
themselves in. It also means and this is just my interpretation that to
display Comitas you are basically also a paragon of virtue.

The best examples from Roma Antiqua: Cornelia Mother of the Gracchi
goes
without saying, Marcus Aurelius to an extent, even Sempronia the Mother
of Fulvia mainly due to being the last of the Gracchi.

Other Notable Figures: Eleanor Roosevelt, Cleopatra, Martha Washington.

And of course our very own Novi Romani: Cn. Lentulus, C. Maria Caeca,
Crispus, Quadratus, C. Aemelius Crassus, Caninus. They are always seems
willing to help others, they are always gracious, and just are covered
in
the essence of Comitas.

My two denarii worth anyway :-)

I look forward to the next Virtue.

Valete bene,
Aeternia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91383 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Aeternia Canino sal:

Is this you being bashful Canine? I remember my Gran once told me after a
reading exercise of "Meditations" by the one and only Marcus Aurelius.
That those that are virtuous never claim such virtue. I think this can be
applied to you amice very much so.

Remember perception is everything. You are always kind and courteous even
in debate I've never seen you lose your cool. So in my perception you
display Comitas.

Sure you have a dark outlook on life, as do I. But just because you are
Gloomy and Morose does not mean that you can not be kind and courteous.
That seems to be a global misunderstanding. And you are not lazy thats
also a misconception perhaps.

Remember with Comitas comes also Humility :-)

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91384 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-26
Subject: Re: Roman Virtues: Comitas
Salvete Omnes!



In reading the dialog between Caninus and Aeternia, several things, which
may or may not be relevant, occur to me. I don't remember the name of the
book, but Robert A. Heinlein wrote a book about a society in which citizens
are allowed to go armed. Because of the real potential for violence, there
was a strict code of courteous conduct, the breech of which could have
deadly consequences. He makes the observation in that book that an armed
society is also a polite society, which led me to consider Shogunate Japan,
Chivalric Europe, our own (well, for some of us) "wild" West, and ultimately
ancient Rome.



While Roman citizens didn't go armed while in the city itself, and certainly
not publicly, (which doesn't include hidden weapons), body guards often did.
More to the point, though, I think, is the realization that just about all
male citizens, especially those of the "better" families, had military
training and the majority of them had combat experience, as well. We don't
have to read much Roman history to know that public discord all too often
led to public violence, so, in one way, the use of Comitas (between equals,
I might add) was a very real survival skill. It's one thing to be rude if
there are not likely to be serious consequences; it's quite another if the
recipient of that rudeness draws a sword and challenges you on the spot, or
makes arrangements for a duel.



However, there is another point I'd like to make, too. When we talk about
surface courtesy, we are speaking of empty forms, basically pleasantries
which get one through a day of dealing with strangers in ways which produce
as little stress as possible.



Comitas, though, isn't just "niceness" for its own sake. To me, it is an
attitude that can become the base line from which we are willing to approach
our piers, and even strangers. If I'm courteous, it's because I prefer to
like the people who touch my life, even briefly. For one thing, it's easier
on me. I have found that base line attitude of anger or mistrust sets up
certain expectations, and I end up living on antacids and worrying
constantly that someone, somewhere is going to take advantage of me. Can
that happen? Of course, and if it does, I am no longer "obliged" to be
courteous, although that can be a very deadly weapon, used correctly.



The other thing I thought of is this. Roman considered themselves to be
equal among their peers. They didn't consider *everyone* to be equal to
everyone else, and while courtesy was essential when dealing with someone of
a higher class (socially, economically, politically, or whatever), and while
it was admirable to be cordial to inferiors, it was by no means necessary.
Citizens *could* (but usually didn't) treat non-citizens with the same
cordiality they treated other citizens, and slaves were legally property,
though a wise Dominus or Domina knew that a household ran more smoothly if
slaves were treated with at least *some* consideration.



To me, Comitas isn't just about being polite. Those who practice it
genuinely take an interest in the people around them, and have, not just
proclaim, a desire to be helpful and accommodating, if they can. I have
found an amazing number of such people here, and yes, Canine, you are
certainly among them. BTW, if you consider yourself, I shudder to consider
what might happen if you were working at your full energy! I'm not sure the
planet could take that level of activity for very long, LOL!



Valete bene, and sorry this is so disorganized!



C. Maria Caeca



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91385 From: Sabinus Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Paulinus' Birthday!
SALVETE!

Happy Birthday to my friend Ti. Galerius Paulinus!
Health, happiness and prosperity!

VALE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91386 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salve Paulinus!
 
May this day be full of sunshine, joy and happiness! It's not everyday you turn 30!
 
Vale optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis


"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca


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From: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:28 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Paulinus' Birthday!


 

SALVETE!

Happy Birthday to my friend Ti. Galerius Paulinus!
Health, happiness and prosperity!

VALE,
Sabinus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91387 From: SP Robinson Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Avete!

Salve Paulinus!!!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91388 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salve Pauline!

Have a great day.

May the years ahead bring all the things you desire.

Vale optime!
Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91389 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salvete,

Happy Birthday Paulinus!!

May this day be filled with great loot, good food, and even better company.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91390 From: cmc Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salvete omnes!



Happy Birthday, Censor!



Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91391 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Ave,

Happy Birthday Paulinus, dont party to hard, but make sure you party! :)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91392 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salvete


Thank you all very much. 56 and counting


I am going to have a big steak and some adult beverages!!!!!!!!!!!!


Valete


Paulinus



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From: Belle Morte Statia
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎July‎ ‎28‎, ‎2013 ‎12‎:‎31‎ ‎PM
To: nova-roma





Salvete,

Happy Birthday Paulinus!!

May this day be filled with great loot, good food, and even better company.

Valete bene,
Aeternia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91393 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salve Pauline,

And happy birthday and a great year to come to you and your family.

Vale optime,
Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91394 From: James V Hooper Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Salve,
Wishing Paulinus the best of days
Vale,
C.Pompeius Marcellus


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"Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91395 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Felix dies natalis Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!

Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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From: James V Hooper <warrior44_us@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Paulinus' Birthday!



 
Salve,
Wishing Paulinus the best of days
Vale,
C.Pompeius Marcellus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91396 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-28
Subject: Re: Paulinus' Birthday!
Avete!

New Book Idea:  TO CENSOR THE CENSOR: A New Book Series About Roman Birthdays

Valete optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91397 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2013-07-29
Subject: Results from the Comitia Centuriata
Avete Omnes,

First, I would like to thank everyone for taking the time to read over each
item, voice your opinions, engage in constructive debate and to make the
laws even better by the time the Contio closed. Your participation is
appreciated and highly valued! Thank you!

Secondly, I have been given the results of the vote. We had 121 voters
turn out and exercise the civic responsibility. I am not really surprised
by the decline in this vote given that the glorious summer is upon us and
now many use this time to travel and vacation. I expect the next time the
Comitia is summoned, probably in September, our voter turnout will increase
in the run up for elections.

Finally, I get to the news we are all waiting for.

The Repeal of the Lex Arminia de Ministris Provincialbus has been removed
prior to the close of the Contio - this means the vote for that item was
not factored in the results.

I - The Repeal of the Lex Labienia de Custodia Perpetua Fori - PASSED
The Lex Labienia de Custodia Perpetua Fori is no longer law in Nova Roma.
It passed the Centuries:

Uti Rogas: 26
Antiquo/Tied: 8

II - Amend the Lex Arminia de Fovenda Lingua Latinia (Strike out Section
III) - PASSED
Section III is hereby stricken out and no longer an enforceable provision -
Latinists are no longer exempt from the Nova Roman Tax.

Uti Rogas: 27
Antiquo/Tied: 6
Abstain: 1

III - Amend Section II. C. 2. Of the Constitution - PASSED
This will now go to the Senate in the August session for ratification.

Uti Rogas: 27
Antiquo: 7

IV - Lex Cornelia de Apparitoribus - PASSED
The Lex Cornelia de Apparitoribus is now law

Uti Rogas: 28
Antiquo: 4
Abstaino: 2

V - Lex Cornelia de Punctis Censualibus (was the Lex Cornelia Centuriata)
- PASSED
The Lex Cornelia de Punctis Censualibus is now law.

Uti Rogas: 28
Antiquo: 5
Abstain: 1

VI - Lex Cornelia de Cursu Honorum - PASSED

Uti Rogas - 30
Antiquo: 4

_____

All the laws promulgated during this session have passed.

At this time it is my pleasure to close the Contio and to thank our
Dribitors for their service and for Pontiff Metellus for setting up the
vote.

Thank you all for your service.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91398 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Rome's Lost Legions.
Salvete



I know that the symbols and cognomen of these lost legions are unknown but can the be inferred by the symbols and cognomen of the other legions numbered before and after them? Can we make an educated guess as to what they might have been? We know that Rome never used the numbers 17,18, and 19 again so did Rome stop using certain symbols and cognomen that MIGHT

have been those of the lost Legions.


On another point was the symbol for Virgo ever used on the standards of a legion?


Valete


Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91399 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Re: Rome's Lost Legions.
Salve Paulinus!
 
Ah, my three favorite legiones! An example of how not to fight a war.  These three legions remind me of some of the stupid stuff that the US military has done over the years, or should I say, what the Pentagon has done to the US military over the years.
 All of the legion's were composed of men from Northern Italy, which matches the same legions recruited by Mark Antony and Pompey.
It would appear that all three legions were remnant legions of Mark Antony. If this were the case, and they were on the losing side, it does not make since to me to for Augustus to reinvent the three legions for Sicily in 41 BCE. As efficient as it appears that Augustus was, he would have most likely filled the legions to full strength and sent them to Sicily, rather than redoing everything three times.
 
Legio XVII was in some accounts identical to Pompey's XVII Classica, which some have stated was stationed on the lower Rhine river patrol during the Civil Wars.
 
At least for Legio XVIII, everything I have ever read suggests that Mark Anony's XVIII Lybica was identical in almost every area to August's 18th, which would support this argument.  
 
The 19th was designated "classica" or "seaborne" on a coin, which fits their mission, as they were transferred to Castra Vetera (Xanten, German), which was the HQ for classica Germanica as they were in charge of patrolling the Rhine. 
 
It is my personal belief that:
 
1)  all three legions were originally the legions of MA and Pompey, which Augustus filled troop strengths after the war to re-field the units, rather than create new ones.
 
2) that they were miles Classiarius (marines), not miles Gregarius (soldiers),
 
3) that they were transferred to the Rhine, out of the face of Rome, as they had been opposing legions to Augustus.  Someone had to cover the front lines, and why waste good loyal Romans, when you could send questionable ones, as they fell into the "trustworthy realm" somewhere amongst the ala Sociorums. At least, they would not be near Rome, should a secondary uprising occur, and if they got killed in Germanica, well, all armies need cannon fodder, which can hold the line until the real troops get there,
 
4) that they were sent to Xanten as river patrol units, as this was their background as can be reasonably assumed form what little evidence has remained,
 
5) that the cognomen for all three legiones was probably "Classica," and that just didn't fit in well with the history of build the western world through the might of the Roman Army.
 
6) that they were wiped out, due to their primary experience being  "water-fighters" and not accustomed to or experienced primarily in land combat, based on the same reasons the US Army was in Europe and the USMC was in the South Pacific in WWII, and
 
7) that Germanicus was sent to recover the eagles, and once that was done, the whole affair was not ever spoken of again.
 
It was a black mark on the new Roman Empire to lose three legions under any conceivable conditions, and making bad decisions by allowing 3 units to get wiped out is not good press, nor is it a solid basis for showing your conquering might to those you intend to conquer. They sent the wrong guys on the mission, not properly trained for the environment they were to be fighting in, and they got their butts handed to them on a not-so-silver platter.  It was an embarassing situation for Rome and the Roman Army, and so all records were eliminated as "not to be used as evidence against them" for their bad decisions.
 
Also, to my knowledge, no unit ever used Virgo as a cognomen officially.  Other options for the 3 legions could have been the popular ones of 41 BC origin for Augustian legions, like bull, boar, lion and capricorn, but could have also been Germanica.  But, if they were sailors and marines, it might have been water-related as well.
 
Of course, all this is 100% pure speculation on my part.
 
Vale optime,
Triarius  

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.



 

Salvete



I know that the symbols and cognomen of these lost legions are unknown but can the be inferred by the symbols and cognomen of the other legions numbered before and after them? Can we make an educated guess as to what they might have been? We know that Rome never used the numbers 17,18, and 19 again so did Rome stop using certain symbols and cognomen that MIGHT

have been those of the lost Legions.


On another point was the symbol for Virgo ever used on the standards of a legion?


Valete


Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 91400 From: Scipio Second Date: 2013-07-31
Subject: Re: Rome's Lost Legions.
Salve Triarius,
 
A better explanation I have not heard.  Bravo!
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus


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From: Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.


 

Salve Paulinus!
 
Ah, my three favorite legiones! An example of how not to fight a war.  These three legions remind me of some of the stupid stuff that the US military has done over the years, or should I say, what the Pentagon has done to the US military over the years.
 All of the legion's were composed of men from Northern Italy, which matches the same legions recruited by Mark Antony and Pompey.
It would appear that all three legions were remnant legions of Mark Antony. If this were the case, and they were on the losing side, it does not make since to me to for Augustus to reinvent the three legions for Sicily in 41 BCE. As efficient as it appears that Augustus was, he would have most likely filled the legions to full strength and sent them to Sicily, rather than redoing everything three times.
 
Legio XVII was in some accounts identical to Pompey's XVII Classica, which some have stated was stationed on the lower Rhine river patrol during the Civil Wars.
 
At least for Legio XVIII, everything I have ever read suggests that Mark Anony's XVIII Lybica was identical in almost every area to August's 18th, which would support this argument.  
 
The 19th was designated "classica" or "seaborne" on a coin, which fits their mission, as they were transferred to Castra Vetera (Xanten, German), which was the HQ for classica Germanica as they were in charge of patrolling the Rhine. 
 
It is my personal belief that:
 
1)  all three legions were originally the legions of MA and Pompey, which Augustus filled troop strengths after the war to re-field the units, rather than create new ones.
 
2) that they were miles Classiarius (marines), not miles Gregarius (soldiers),
 
3) that they were transferred to the Rhine, out of the face of Rome, as they had been opposing legions to Augustus.  Someone had to cover the front lines, and why waste good loyal Romans, when you could send questionable ones, as they fell into the "trustworthy realm" somewhere amongst the ala Sociorums. At least, they would not be near Rome, should a secondary uprising occur, and if they got killed in Germanica, well, all armies need cannon fodder, which can hold the line until the real troops get there,
 
4) that they were sent to Xanten as river patrol units, as this was their background as can be reasonably assumed form what little evidence has remained,
 
5) that the cognomen for all three legiones was probably "Classica," and that just didn't fit in well with the history of build the western world through the might of the Roman Army.
 
6) that they were wiped out, due to their primary experience being  "water-fighters" and not accustomed to or experienced primarily in land combat, based on the same reasons the US Army was in Europe and the USMC was in the South Pacific in WWII, and
 
7) that Germanicus was sent to recover the eagles, and once that was done, the whole affair was not ever spoken of again.
 
It was a black mark on the new Roman Empire to lose three legions under any conceivable conditions, and making bad decisions by allowing 3 units to get wiped out is not good press, nor is it a solid basis for showing your conquering might to those you intend to conquer. They sent the wrong guys on the mission, not properly trained for the environment they were to be fighting in, and they got their butts handed to them on a not-so-silver platter.  It was an embarassing situation for Rome and the Roman Army, and so all records were eliminated as "not to be used as evidence against them" for their bad decisions.
 
Also, to my knowledge, no unit ever used Virgo as a cognomen officially.  Other options for the 3 legions could have been the popular ones of 41 BC origin for Augustian legions, like bull, boar, lion and capricorn, but could have also been Germanica.  But, if they were sailors and marines, it might have been water-related as well.
 
Of course, all this is 100% pure speculation on my part.
 
Vale optime,
Triarius  

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca

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From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <mailto:spqr753%40msn.com To: BackAlley <mailto:backalley%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:16 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.



 

Salvete

I know that the symbols and cognomen of these lost legions are unknown but can the be inferred by the symbols and cognomen of the other legions numbered before and after them? Can we make an educated guess as to what they might have been? We know that Rome never used the numbers 17,18, and 19 again so did Rome stop using certain symbols and cognomen that MIGHT

have been those of the lost Legions.

On another point was the symbol for Virgo ever used on the standards of a legion?

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus

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