C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus omnibus Quiritibus salutem dicit
plurimam,



Today morning, capite velato, I invoked Iuno Covella by saying the
traditional formula:



< Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella
< Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella
< Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella
< Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella
< Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella


I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable
toward us, the Quirites of Nova Roma.



This month the nundinal letter is "F".

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of August shall be:



Sextilis



1 E Kal. Sext. F

2 F a.d. IV Non. Sext. F Ater, Nundina

3 G a.d. IV Non. Sext. C

4 H pr. Non. Sext. C

5 A Non. Sext. F

6 B a.d. VIII Id. Sext. F Ater

7 C a.d. VII Id. Sext. C

8 D a.d. VI Id. Sext. C

9 E a.d. V Id. Sext. C

10 F a.d. IV Id. Sext. C Nundina

11 G a.d. III Id. Sext. C

12 H pr. Id. Sext. C

13 A Id. Sext. NP Feriae Iovi

14 B a.d. XIX Kal. Sept. F Ater

15 C a.d. XVIII Kal. Sept. C

16 D a.d. XVII Kal. Sept. C

17 E a.d. XVI Kal. Sept. NP Portunalia

18 F a.d. XV Kal. Sept. C Nundina

19 G a.d. XIV Kal. Sept. FP Vinalia Rustica

20 H a.d. XIII Kal. Sept. C

21 A a.d. XII Kal. Sept. NP Consualia

22 B a.d. XI Kal. Sept. EN

23 C a.d. X Kal. Sept. NP Volcanalia

24 D a.d. IX Kal. Sept. C Religiosus

25 E a.d. VIII Kal. Sept. NP Opiconsivia

26 F a.d. VII Kal. Sept. C Nundina

27 G a.d. VI Kal. Sept. NP Volturnalia

28 H a.d. V Kal. Sept. C

29 A a.d. IV Kal. Sept. F

30 B a.d. III Kal. Sept. F

31 C pr. Kal. Sept. C



At the end I poured a libation of milk thanking to the Goddess for Her
benevolence.



Optime valete.



--

C. Petronius Dexter

Arcoiali scribebat

Kalendis Sextilibus MMDCCLXVI a.V.c



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Salvete omnes,
 
Thank You! Thank You, Petrus Augustinus, for your kind remarks! No applause, please! I'll be in the Forum all day!
 
No, really, as a prior Intel Analyst, this is what the pieces look like to me when you put them together.  They were "water-rats," not "bush-busters".  Hmm, maybe their cognomen would have been LEGIO XV??? AQUA MURES...

Valete optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu."
(The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live)
~ L. Annaeus Seneca
 

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From: Scipio Second <scipiosecond@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.


 

Salve Triarius,
 
A better explanation I have not heard.  Bravo!
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus


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From: Lucius Vitellius <mailto:lvtriarius%40yahoo.com To: "mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.


 

Salve Paulinus!
 
Ah, my three favorite legiones! An example of how not to fight a war.  These three legions remind me of some of the stupid stuff that the US military has done over the years, or should I say, what the Pentagon has done to the US military over the years.
 All of the legion's were composed of men from Northern Italy, which matches the same legions recruited by Mark Antony and Pompey.
It would appear that all three legions were remnant legions of Mark Antony. If this were the case, and they were on the losing side, it does not make since to me to for Augustus to reinvent the three legions for Sicily in 41 BCE. As efficient as it appears that Augustus was, he would have most likely filled the legions to full strength and sent them to Sicily, rather than redoing everything three times.
 
Legio XVII was in some accounts identical to Pompey's XVII Classica, which some have stated was stationed on the lower Rhine river patrol during the Civil Wars.
 
At least for Legio XVIII, everything I have ever read suggests that Mark Anony's XVIII Lybica was identical in almost every area to August's 18th, which would support this argument.  
 
The 19th was designated "classica" or "seaborne" on a coin, which fits their mission, as they were transferred to Castra Vetera (Xanten, German), which was the HQ for classica Germanica as they were in charge of patrolling the Rhine. 
 
It is my personal belief that:
 
1)  all three legions were originally the legions of MA and Pompey, which Augustus filled troop strengths after the war to re-field the units, rather than create new ones.
 
2) that they were miles Classiarius (marines), not miles Gregarius (soldiers),
 
3) that they were transferred to the Rhine, out of the face of Rome, as they had been opposing legions to Augustus.  Someone had to cover the front lines, and why waste good loyal Romans, when you could send questionable ones, as they fell into the "trustworthy realm" somewhere amongst the ala Sociorums. At least, they would not be near Rome, should a secondary uprising occur, and if they got killed in Germanica, well, all armies need cannon fodder, which can hold the line until the real troops get there,
 
4) that they were sent to Xanten as river patrol units, as this was their background as can be reasonably assumed form what little evidence has remained,
 
5) that the cognomen for all three legiones was probably "Classica," and that just didn't fit in well with the history of build the western world through the might of the Roman Army.
 
6) that they were wiped out, due to their primary experience being  "water-fighters" and not accustomed to or experienced primarily in land combat, based on the same reasons the US Army was in Europe and the USMC was in the South Pacific in WWII, and
 
7) that Germanicus was sent to recover the eagles, and once that was done, the whole affair was not ever spoken of again.
 
It was a black mark on the new Roman Empire to lose three legions under any conceivable conditions, and making bad decisions by allowing 3 units to get wiped out is not good press, nor is it a solid basis for showing your conquering might to those you intend to conquer. They sent the wrong guys on the mission, not properly trained for the environment they were to be fighting in, and they got their butts handed to them on a not-so-silver platter.  It was an embarassing situation for Rome and the Roman Army, and so all records were eliminated as "not to be used as evidence against them" for their bad decisions.
 
Also, to my knowledge, no unit ever used Virgo as a cognomen officially.  Other options for the 3 legions could have been the popular ones of 41 BC origin for Augustian legions, like bull, boar, lion and capricorn, but could have also been Germanica.  But, if they were sailors and marines, it might have been water-related as well.
 
Of course, all this is 100% pure speculation on my part.
 
Vale optime,
Triarius  

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca

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From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <mailto:spqr753%40msn.com To: BackAlley <mailto:backalley%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:16 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Lost Legions.

 

Salvete

I know that the symbols and cognomen of these lost legions are unknown but can the be inferred by the symbols and cognomen of the other legions numbered before and after them? Can we make an educated guess as to what they might have been? We know that Rome never used the numbers 17,18, and 19 again so did Rome stop using certain symbols and cognomen that MIGHT

have been those of the lost Legions.

On another point was the symbol for Virgo ever used on the standards of a legion?

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus

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I myself have limited resources, that is why I have not taken on the task, and
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help bring into fruition.


Valete,
Gaius Julius Calvinus

Salve Calvinus!
 
So, this site does both videos and live streaming from what I can tell.  This could be a very valuable tool for the Res publica.  Everyone should check this one out! And it was recently rate high in views in the US than YouTube.  YouTube does not have live streaming...this one does.
 
Vale et valete,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis
 
"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu."
(The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live)
~ L. Annaeus Seneca
 

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From: Dal <dalmac47@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:57 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Idea



 

Salve

I know it's been around since I've been here. Nonetheless I Have not forgot about Nova Roma, it's still close to me. But I think I have an idea that cement the common culture of Nova Roma. There is a Website called Justin Tv that allows a person to crate a "Channel" and Broadcast any videos that they chose. It also has livechat feature that works very well. I suggest Nova Roma have a Channel, we can broadcast events, programs, documentary, citizen made videos for our community. It requires minimal resources. If you would like to check out the site here is a Channel that I particularly enjoy

http://www.justin.tv/boudicca_warrior_queen#/w/6336607584/31

I myself have limited resources, that is why I have not taken on the task, and instead reach out the nation. However I am inquiring into what it would require for me to create the channel and programming but the more hands the better. Please let me know if this interest our community, and who would be willing to help bring into fruition.

Valete,
Gaius Julius Calvinus




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Well, im going to do it. I'll update soon Res Publica televison coming soon.

Salvete

Yes I agree this was a very good explanation . Thank you Amice!

Ok I want to buy a Roman standard and I was thinking of using the

Legio XVII as 17 is my brothers birth day. He was born in September and that is why I asked about Virgo.

What name would you give my newly recreated Legion XVII?


Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus

Salvete

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I would like to assemble any interested person willing any amount of time no matter how small for input on the various aspects that this will involve. We shall from a informal board to execute the plan. To any participate I promise to communicate and execute efficiently as not to waste your time and this into reality

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Valete
Gaius Iulius Calvinus




Wou

Salve Paulinus!
 
Sounds to me like LEGIO XVII VIRGINIS NOVAE ROMAE (LEG-XVII-VIRG-N-R) would be a good one, but I'd check with one of the Latinists to be sure on the virginis. If it is a reinstituted legion, it is a new legion and worthy of a new name.  Totally acceptable, based on ancient standards.
 
Vale optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis


"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca


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From: Tim <spqr753@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 3:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Rome's Lost Legions.


 

Salvete

Yes I agree this was a very good explanation . Thank you Amice!

Ok I want to buy a Roman standard and I was thinking of using the

Legio XVII as 17 is my brothers birth day. He was born in September and that is why I asked about Virgo.

What name would you give my newly recreated Legion XVII?

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus

In a message dated 7/31/2013 9:53:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lvtriarius@... writes:

Legio XVII was in some accounts identical to Pompey's XVII Classica, which
some have stated was stationed on the lower Rhine river patrol during the
Civil Wars.

At least for Legio XVIII, everything I have ever read suggests that Mark
Anony's XVIII Lybica was identical in almost every area to August's 18th,
which would support this argument.
QFM Sorry. Hate to rain on your parade. Where does it say this?



The 19th was designated "classica" or "seaborne" on a coin, which fits
their mission, as they were transferred to Castra Vetera (Xanten, German),
which was the HQ for classica Germanica as they were in charge of patrolling
the Rhine.

QFM the 19th had no name, if there was a coin called that calls the 19th
"classica," which refers to naval base I certainly don't know about it,
Parker doesn't know about it, nor does all serious Roman military scholars.


It is my personal belief that:

1) all three legions were originally the legions of MA and Pompey, which
Augustus filled troop strengths after the war to re-field the units, rather
than create new ones.
QFM Which makes no sense. If we believe Appian the Legiones at Phillippi
came from these basic sources.

Italy and the West
Macedonia: 6 legiones four identified as II, IV, I Mari, XXXV, All were
Marian raised vets who had seen service in the wars, stationed in Macedon
to keep the peace with Pontus.
From the Military colonies of Calatia (VII) and Casiliunm (VIII) both
Julian raised and vets.
From Cisalpina Gaul the V newly raised by Antony.
2 unnumbered by Decimus in Cisalpinia, plus his two from Rome.
From Lucania Caesar's IX all vets.
From Comata Gaul three Roman (Garrison) three recruited by Ventidius. (un
numbered)
From Arlete Julian VI (Lepedius)
From Hispania 2 Legiones
From Italy four legiones of recruits. (Pansa)
From Africa two legiones Garrison
From City of Rome 1 legio (Octavian)
From Illyricum 3 Legiones

From Asia Minor and the East
Apamea. 3 Legiones 2 likely the Julian XXXI, XXXII
Laodecia 2 Legiones both Julian
Egypt 4 Legiones two Julian.

Philippi 42 BC
Triumvars
Urbana, IV, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XII Vets
Newly raised: Italians and Gauls
II, III, V, VI, XXVI, XXIX, XXX, XXXVI.
Un-numbered Hispanic and African Levies (Green)
5 Legiones
Estimated total 90,000 legionaries
Horse 13,000

The Republicans
all the Caesarean Legiones in the East,
XV, XXVI, XXXVI, XXXVII, XXXVII, XXXI, XXXII Vets
(Estimated 24,000)
6 newly levied Legiones (Greeks, Macedonians (Green)
(30,000)
2 Galation Green (10,000)/
2 Pompeian vets (8000)
Estimated Total 72,000 legionaries
Horse 17,000 but not all heavy.
Estimated 1/4 horse archers
(Galations likely weren't true legionaries but 10,000 swordsmen organized
in two 5,000 man units.)

With such large armies, they would be no reason to "keep strengths after
the war then re-field the units" from the enemy.
1. They were not loyal to Octavius. They were loyal to Antony and his
Gens.
2. Octavius had all the troops he needed, 40 legiones. Easier to disarm
Antony's army, settle them in numerous colonies so they would stay out of
trouble and form the standing army out of his most loyal and beloved troops,
which based on the available information indicates this is exactly what he
did.

We have the legiones numbers that accepted military settlement when
Octavious disbanded his army cutting it down to 23 legiones (Parker). Tacitus
claims there was twenty five but this is in 23 AD
These are: [cogonomen]
1 (Leg. I) Octavian Raised from south Italy to fight Sextus (Appian)
[Germanica]
2 (Leg. II) Octavian Raised from Acci (Appian) [Augusta]
3 (Leg. III) Octavian Raised from Italy (Appian) [Augusta]
4 (Leg. III) Antony Old vets from Julian's XV Legio (Tactius) [Gallica]
5. (Leg IIII) (not known. Best guess was a newly raised Legio that
survived the wars and earned its cogonomen in L. Crassius victorious campaign
against the Sarmations {Scythians} in 23 BC. (Cassius Dio) Possibly Octavian
raised. No proof.
6.(Leg. IIII) Julian vets deserted to Octavian. (Appian) [Macedonica]
6. (Leg V) New legio raised by Antony. Survived the wars (Appian)
[Alaudae]
7. (Leg. VI) Julian reconstituted by Antony (Appian) [Ferrata]
8. (Leg. VI) One of the Julian Legiones in Macedon at the start of the
Wars. [Victrix originally Macedonica] (Appian)
9. (Leg. VII) Capuan Julian Vets recalled to their Eagle by Octavian.
(Cicero) (Appian) [Macedonica]
10. (Leg. VIII) Julian vets recalled to their Eagle by Octavian (Appian)
[Augusta]
11. (Leg. IX) Julian Vets at Lucania recalled to their Eagle by Octavian
(Appian) [Augusta later Hispanica]
12 (Leg. X) Sheer Guesswork here. Likely the Sicilian legio of Octavian
raised to act as marines against Sextus Pompey. Perhaps received "X" as
an honorific, to commemorate their service and loyalty in a tough campaign
comparing them to the Julian X. [(Fretum Siculum is the strait between
Italy and Sicily]
13. (Leg. X) Based on its cogonomen "made from two" (Julius Caesar), 1/2
or less from Julius' famous X legio the Caesarian bull is its symbol, and
raw recruits. The Legione fought for Antony until they deserted to
Octavian, since he was Caesar's heir. (Appian) [Gemina]
14. (Leg. XI) Its cogonomen [Actiacus] seems to indicate it was important
at Actium. (Dio) It was likely one of the new legiones raised by Octavian
since a goat is its symbol.
15. (Leg. XII) Julian Legio used by Antony in the campaign (Appian)
[Fulminata]
16. (Leg XIII) Likely Julian veterans joined together with raw recruits to
fight Sextus. (Appian) [Gemina]
17. (Leg. XIV) Octavian legio assembled from two badly hurt Legiones after
Philippi [Gemina] [Martia Victrix]
was added after 9 AD.
18. (Leg. XV) Raised by Octavian from Italy. Fought at Actium.(Appian)
The cogonomen meaning is unknown. Possibly, because it was stationed in
Illyria (C.I.L. v. 891) it adopted the God as its champion since Greek
authors tell us that Apollo is beloved in Illyria.
19. (Leg. XVII) Caeserian legio from South Italy. Was destroyed with Curio
in the African campaign. (Caesar)
Reconstituted by Octavian (Appian) Lost in Germanica. (Tacitus)
20. (Leg. XVIII) Caeserian legio from Central Italy. Was destroyed with
Curio in the African campaign. (Caesar) Reconstituted by Octavian (Appian)
Lost in Germanica. (Tacitus)
21. (Leg. XIX) Raised by Octavian, from central Italy post Philippi
(Appian) Lost in Germanica. (Tacitus)

22. (Leg. XXI) Raised by Octavian (Symbol is a goat) composed of
Romanized Gauls.
23. (Leg. XXII) Troops bequeathed to Caesar Augustus, possibly 25 BC
(Seutorious) which formed a legio to garrison Alexandria. Troops perhaps were
related to Deiotarus' legiones who fought for Julius Caesar against
Pharnaces the Pontic. A Papyrus shows the legio was in Alexandria in 8 BC.
[Deiotariana]

The common thread here is all these legiones except V. Alaudae and XXII,
did important service for Octavian and his adopted Gens (the Iulli). Some
legiones could trace their origins to divine Julius, and his campaigns, which
was important for any of Octavian's upcoming power struggles. These
troops would stay loyal.
Others took part in the important Sicilian campaign against Sextus Pompey,
and won. They too would stay loyal.
V Alaudae was a tough legio at First Cremona 69 AD if we believe Tactius.
Plus Octavian had fought against Alaudae at Philippi (Appian) and Actium
(Plutarch). He knew first hand how good they were. And it was a good PR
move to have a legio composed of Romanized Gauls.
XXII Deiotariana was also a good PR move. It honored his uncle's shade
for his successful campaign in Pontus, and Client King Amyntas had left his
Kingdom of Galatia to Rome so that his population would thrive and his
soldiers used.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Militarium know it all.





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Salve Fabioso Militarioso,
 
In Marc Antony's commemorative coin series of 32-31 BC, you find XVII Classica, XVIII Lybica, and XIX Classica on the legionary coins. The coins are in numerical sequence from I to XXIII. All had galley images on the reverse side, and the Legio number on the front side, as they were struck to fund the building of his fleet. There are only two with Classicaon them, XVII and XVII
 
The title Classica, shared by other Legiones of this time, commemorated current or previous service at sea in Antony's fleet, Libyca for service in, or success in, North africa, and Antiqua descent from, and conformity with, a Caesarian formation, which nixes any illusion that they were either of Appian's wiped out legiones, however, he never identifies them, only stating "two legiones" accompanied Curio to Africa. There would be no reason to give cognomens to units that did not exist after the action took place.  Cognomens were for extended or valorous service, not recognition of loser units or unlucky ones that got their butts handed to them. Am I correct?
 
Okay there, Militarium KnowItAll (Your words, not mine...LOL), you are INCORRECT in stating that the Antonian legions were all disbanded as they were enemies of Augustus.  In the East, he retained III Gallica, VI Ferrata, III Cyrenacia, XIII Fulminata. He dispactched X Gemini and V Alaudae to Spain. They were not disbanded, reinstituted, or reorganized...just transferred. There are several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.

But, okay, let us say they were newly-formed units by Augustus in 41 BC for Sicily or somewhere else, and not formed by Caesar, Popmey, Antony, Lepidus, etc.
 
All three units were part of Tiberius' jaunt of 6 CE along the Elbe River to attack Chechia in Panonnia, where they were to conduct a series of River attacks...as they were stationed to patrol the Rhine. Other units in a separate formation worked the land route to attack the Chechia (III Germanica, etc.). There are several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.

It appears that the Legiones in question were stationed on the Lower Rhine for a long while from existing records and funeral markers in Germany and Italy, of which out of the less than a dozen funeral stones are identified, one was from Misenum and one from Ravenna...coincidence...hmmm. There are several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.
 
Since they were there for a while (40-50 years maybe) and have limited funeral markers, it would appear that they were seasoned troops, and not recently raised recruits....hmmm. There are several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.

All three had 50-year life spans and nothing can be found anywhere about them.  If you dropped your pilum during this period, 8 people wrote something about it.

Dozens of men from these 3 legiones escaped the carnage and made it back to Roman lines, some were taken prisoner (one for 40 years), and yet no one wrote about the experiences of the Legiones. There ARE NOT several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.

Mainstream report of the attack:

Velleius, Historica Romana 2.117-120
Tacitus, Annals 1.57-61
Florus, Epitome 2.30.31-39
Dio Roman History 56.18

That the three legiones were destroyed:

Velleius, 2.119
Florus, Epitome 2.130
Suetonius, Augusta 23, Tiberius 17
Tacitus, Annals 1.61
Strabo, Geography 7.1.4

That the eagles were recovered:

Tacitus, Annals 1.60 and 2.25
Dio, Roman History 60.87
Florus, Epitome 2.30.38

and, THAT THEY ERECTED THE ARCUS TIBERII TO GERMANICUS FOR FINDING THE EAGLES:

Tacitus, Annals 2.41

YET, the names of the Legiones and the accounts of the soldiers are not mentioned, nor is there ANY record for their 50 years of service?
There ARE NOT several sources, both ancient and modern by reputable people in this field-start with Google.

Yep, that screams cover up. Why, because the limited accounts of the day discuss the 4-day period in the forest as one of extremely low morale and high suicides?  You do not find that with seasoned veterans, you find that with new recruits and seasoned veterans out of their element.  Proven fact in military history.  There was no corvus, their were pig trails through the woods with one of Arminius' Cherusac warriors behind every rock and tree.

For previous "Where'd you come up with that" requests, see:

Livy, livius.org, and most importantly, see the book:

Legions and Veterans: Roman Army Papers 1971-2000, by L. J. F. Keppie, which is WELL DOCUMENTED with ancient sources and records. It discusses it all.

As I said before, this is 100% speculation on my part, not to forget also that Tacitus and others, like Josephus, was very good at filling in the blanks "as solid, recorded history" and elaborating and using creative license in recording his works. Hey, if you're writing history for the western world, it has to look really good and not full of bad mistakes.  We are trying to sell the Empire's accomplishments here, not tell the truth, right?

Iulius Casear destroys the Res publica and Tacitus and others generally think he's a great guy? So is George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama, depending on who you read or listen to...or not.

Like Varro said of the gods: There are three kinds; (1) those of the poets, which are the worst of all, as the poets often embellish their stories, for the good and the bad, and do no justice to the gods, but for their own selves; (2) the gods of the philosophers, which no one understands, and (3) the gods of the state, which most everyone understands...or something like that.  Poets and Historians are often of the same lot in this type of case.

Why do we not discuss the Egyptian heirogliphics in a climate controlled cave in Yosemite under armed guard by the National Park Service, or the 40,000 silver roman coins found in a Romanesque bunker found through a sinkhole in Ohio?  Same reason that the historical community today does not accept these things.  If you've written 30 books on a subject, and it turns out you were wrong, well, there goes the neighborhood, so we just will ignore it and not worry about it.  It has happened for centuries, and I do not expect it will ever change.  I look forward to the day that Ra/Zeus/Iuppiter/God/Yahweh/Allah/Brahma steps out of the big silver flying disc from Xenon VII and says, "You guys really got it all wrong...let me explain..."

George Washington's men braved the freezing ice and snow and had little to eat at Valley Forge, so we are taught?  No.  It only snowed one day that winter, it was about a half an inch on a mid-December day and the snow was gone by lunch, they had a healthy supply of meat and potatoes, but were tired of eating meat and potatoes every meal, and they had good shoes for the mild winter.  The story we are taught in school was actually about Washington's men in New Jersey the following year.

George Washington said "I cannot tell a lie. I chopped down the cherry tree.:  No, He was paid by his uncle to chop down his uncle's cherry tree, along with a whole bunch of other trees on land to be cleared for farming, and had nothing to do with his morals and ethics about telling the truth.

In actuality, he married, and it was common knowledge of the time that he married, Martha for her money.  He was a slave owner, a manufacturer of illegal beer and whiskey, and a terrorist under today's terms.  But, if your on the opposing side, they call you a Terrorist. If you are on the non-opposing side, they call you a Patriot.  

Patrcik Henry, the bastion of Freedom, kept his estranged wife chained and locked in the cellar for years, because she was crazy.

Abraham Lincoln, under armed escort and protection, repeatedly was guilty of raping native women on US Government Reservations.

In 1839 (NOT 1960), the Tennessee General Assembly was composed of over 1/3 black Legislators, and over 85% of Tennesseeans were NOT slave owners.  10,000 black soldiers were pressed into the Union Army, most against their will.  In the South, 40,000 black FREE men VOLUNTEERED to fight for the South. They were farmers and self-employed merchants.  Maryland was pro-Confederacy. The ONLY Northern State to free slaves TO THIS DAY was Maine in 1989, as they needed soldiers for the Spanish-American War. (See the book THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT by the Kennedy Brothers, which is highly documented and referenced),

The history books are written by the winners, and that is not always historical fact.  Often, when you put the pieces of the puzzle together, it is a different picture than what is on the top of the box.

The newly-formed Roman Empire, not unlike the newly-formed United States, needed new heroes. And how do you do that, you WRITE GOOD CRAP about them, keeping and making up the good stuff, and eradicating or ignoring the bad or controversial.  This is what happened here with XVII, XVIII and XIX. There is no telling how many times this happened, especially in the early years of the Empire.  We will never know, unless evidence is uncovered.
I believe I have a valid argument on this one there, Pilus Prior.
They were Squids, not ground-pounders. That's my story, and I'm stiking with it.

Vale optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis

"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca



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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex, sacerdos
Concordiae: consuli, praetoris, tribunis plebis, collegio pontificum, senatui populoque
Novo Romano: salutem plurimam dicit:

Salvete, Quirites!

I am posting my Kalends ritual only now because I could not post it on the 1st of Sextilis (August). My vow I was to offere Kalends sacrifices to
Concordia in this Sacred Year of Concord and 15th Anniversary on each
Kalends for our unity, strength and growth.

Goddess
Concordance bless our nation, the Nova Romans, to strive for nothing
but for the most genuine and authentic reconstruction of Roman customs,
society, religion and law.

People and
Magistartes of Nova Roma: Pray to Concordia to create unity and growth, to help us to fulfill our final goal.

This has been the Kalends Ritual to Concordia
for our Sacred Year of Concordia, Quindecennalia (15th Anniversary
year):

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SACRIFICIVM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS SEXTILIBUS ANNO XV NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE

Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

1. PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia,
hisce Kalendis Sextilibus anni quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae
te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, nobis quaestoribus,
Collegio Pontificum,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Goddess Concordia,
on these Kalends of Sextilis of the Fifteenth Anniversary Year of the founding of Nova Roma,
by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so
that you may be benevolent and
propitious
to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the magistrates, tu us, quaestors,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia,
Dea pacis et fortitudinis Senatus Populique Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!"

[Goddess Concordia,
Goddess of peace and strength of the Nova Roman Senate and People of the Quirites,
as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]

(Libation of milk is made.)

2. PRECATIO

Dea Concordia,
hisce Kalendis Sextilibus anni quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
uti pacem concordiamque et iustitiam constantem societati Novae Romae
tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant unifices,
unum populum unamque gentem omnes qui se Romanos nominant facias,
unum populum in Nova Roma omnes Romanos hodiernos colligas;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno sexto decimo Novae Romae conditae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae
Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Goddess Concordia,
on these Kalends of June of the Fifteenth Anniversary Year of the founding of Nova Roma,
I pray, worship, ask and beseech you so
that you may grant peace and steadfast concord to the society of Nova Roma;
so that you may confirm, strengthen and help
the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
and save it from all discord;
so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
may always flourish and prosper,
and in this year of the 15th Anniversary may get even stronger;
that peace and concord, the welfare and glory of Nova Roma may increase all the time;
and that you may unite all people who call themselves Roman,
make them who call themselves Roman one people and one nation,
collect together all modern Romans as one
nation united into Nova Roma;
and that you allow all events in this 16th Year of Nova Roma to be good and salutary
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family;
and so that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, consuls, the praetors, the quaestors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

3. SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis,
uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte,
hoc lacte melle mixto libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
et hoc anno anniversarii
quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae et semper
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[As I have these words pronounced,
you shall do exactly
what I mean I am saying:
for all these reasons, thou blessedby offering this milk with honey,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
both in this year of the 15th Anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma and always,
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors, the quaestors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman
Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]


(Libation of milk with honey is made and incense is
sacrificed.)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

5. PIACULUM

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc lacte inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

[Concordia of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:
if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
with this sacrificial milk I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]

(I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.)

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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

*Salvete omnes! *Sorry for the delay . . . I was supposed to post
yesterday, but life intervened. I try not to post on a *dies ater *anyway,
even though this is an ongoing project, not a new one, but anyway . . .
once again we continue the Roman Virtues Project, and this time we shall be
examining the virtue of *Clementia.*
*
*
*Clementia *is an often-overlooked Roman virtue. Gaius Iulius Caesar was
famous for his *clementia, *but one could argue that it led to his death,
as it seems his assassins were the recipients of his *clementia. *Octavian
Augustus seems to have wanted to avoid the same "mistake," and so did not
follow Caesar's footsteps in that regard - at least, that is my impression.
But what is *clementia?*
*
*
Our website defines *clementia *as follows: "Mercy" Mildness and gentleness.

The Oxford Latin Dictionary defines *clementia *as follows:
1. Clemency, disposition to spare or pardon, leniency; complaisance.
*b. *(personified)
*c. *(as a special attribute of the Caesars) *d. *(of government, law)
2. (of the weather, climate, etc.) Mildness, genial character, clemency

When most of us think of the Romans, we do not necessarily think of
clemency. The Romans, like most ancient people, were a hard people, and had
to be - theirs was a hard world. Romans (in general) seem harsh and even
cruel compared with most moderns (again, generally). So is *clementia * really
Roman? Is it really a Roman virtue? Certainly, it was famously held to be a
virtue of Julius Caesar, and many of the emperors after him liked to have *
clementia *attributed to them (whether or not they really possessed this
virtue) . . . so certainly millions of Romans of the later Republic and
early Empire believed it *was *a virtue. So great a virtue, in fact, that *
Clementia *was even held to be a goddess, a divine quality with her own
cultus (I would certainly recommend Anna J. Clark's* Divine Qualities: Cult
and Community in Republican Rome *for those interested in this aspect of
the virtues under discussion).

One could argue that *clementia *was the virtue that allowed Rome to be
great in the first place. It was not exactly uncommon in the ancient world
for a people to be utterly ruthless and merciless with those they had
defeated, even exterminating whole peoples to the last man, woman, and
child. Rome was arguably *different* - exercising the virtue of *clementia,
*they turned former foes into allies and even citizens, thus allowing Rome
to be greater than the petty city-states it supplanted. *Clementia *is what
allowed Rome to be in our history books in the first place. Without it,
they would have been just another city-state among thousands throughout the
ancient world's history. So is *clementia *in fact one of the greatest of
virtues? Hmmmm . . . .

So *Clementia *is a Roman virtue, even a Roman goddess. What is it? How do
we practice and live *clementia, *as Romans? Who are the great exemplars of
*clementia* (and yes, we can look at C. Iulius Caesar, but hopefully we
have others, both ancient and modern)? Perhaps most importantly, how do
reconcile the more familiar virtues of the Romans (like *firmitas,
severitas, *and the others that call us to be stern and unrelenting) with *
clementia, *which calls us to be mild, even gentle?
How can we be both types of Romans? Is it even possible?

I look forward to seeing what you all think!

*Valete omnes!*

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque S.P.D.

Looks like I'll take the first stab at this. I believe I may also
responded to this the first go round. But then again I believe I am have a
more in depth answer than the first presentation of this virtue.

This is all just my few sixpence. But Clementia is a personification of a
virtue that was later deified. It would make sense that there is a goddess
known as *Clementia*. When one thinks of "mildness" and being "gentle" it
comes with a feminine aura because those a can be feminine traits. Almost
"Motherly" in a sense. If that makes sense.

With Rome as a city-state and the pinnacle leader of Western Civilization
(besides Greece) it behooved them to show acts of clemency towards their
enemies. Because you will never know when one is going to need an ally
against a bigger enemy/threat. Although we all know what can happen when
you happen to mess with "Mother" it can go from gentle to raging in less
than five seconds. Of course the best example of someone showing Clemency
during the times of Antiquity well of course as you stated is the great one
C. Julius Caesar (because he was rockstar).

Gaius Julius Caesar when he became Dictator and for life even more,
everyone wanted to do what Caesar did. So therefore I believe there was
greater show of Romans being more clement during that time period when
Caesar lived. And it faded during the reign of Augustus, and so forth and
so on. But the later Emperors were basically of the line of Caesar and
what better way to have praise bestowed upon them than to display the
traits that the greatest Caesar of them all was known for.

In Modern times I do see that the late Mother Theresa is a great example of
personifying Clementia, even Princess Diana of Wales to an extent. In Nova
Roma culture of course again our model citizens C. Maria Caeca and Cn.
Lentulus, our Praetor Crassus. I will not say that these individuals are
meek lambs by any means, but they do handle things with gentleness and
fairness which I believe can be another definition to add for the virtue
of Clementia.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Salvete omnes
 
This is an interesting one in that you have to look at it not from a modern perspective, but how it was perceived and understood in the ancient world.
 
Clementia is that means in which you sometimes have to take a pause from the situation, readjust your focus and intent, and then act.  It is what keeps all civilizations from becoming animalistic when it comes to revenge and retribution against an enemy or foes, or with success and achievement with friends and allies. Caesar used it as a political tool to gain support and look good to the masses, not a virtue. Thus, two of whom he pardoned ultimately killed him, along with many others who were his supporters.  The hard part of using clementia is determining who and under what conditions should it be granted.  It can't be widely used on all people under all circumstances, otherwise, one is perceived as being weak and incompetent.  It can't be underused, as one will be perceived as being cruel, heartless and vile. Some are deserving of it, some are not.  To paraphase my late Irish Grandfather, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me. One
can only be merciful, kind and forgiving to a point, after that, things go a different direction.

Augustus was more like that.  "We, mighty Rome, have now taken you and your people over, you can become a part of us...or not.  If not, you will become slaves and be dispersed to the various ends of the empire. If you choose to join us, we will pardon your agression toward us for kicking your butts, but you will get to keep your things and just pay me tribute. If you accept this, and then you attack my statio at the crossroads, I will see that you and your people will pay for violating the deal with your lives, and the local legio will lay waste to your village." Any other army of the time would have simply laid waste to the village, raped, robbed and pillaged, then moved on to the next town. In my opinion, if the Romans and Ghengis Khan are guilty of anything, it is using clementia in their conquering efforts. It sounds like treats, but in that age, it was definitely two examples of diplomatic clemency. And, yes, because of it, both Augustus and Khan
built huge empires from their use of it. If you are going to engaged in conquest, that's the way to do it, if you want to be successful.

Another thing is, once someone has used clementia in their affairs with another, and it is not accepted or ignored or used against that person in return, then he/she is not obligated necessarily to continue to apply it. In my opinion, they may be given a second chance, but that is often the fatal blow. The third and subsequent chances are just plain ignorance on the part of the grantor of the clemency. The street goes both ways.

Another example of clemency in ancient Rome is the absence of a modern police and corrections concept in the Republic.  If you committed a crime and were ordered to the carcer, then you presented yourself, you stayed there, people you know brought you food, and there were no guards to keep you in. You were incarcerated on your word that you would not leave before your trial or your time had been served, or you would be tracked down and killed. It is a completely fascinating concept of clementia in my opinion. As a prior corrections officer, I almost find this almost unbelievable. Such a simple process that worked. No warrants, no SWAT, not arrest issues, not booking issues, no contitutional rights violation lawsuits, no police brutality arguments (actual or not). It certainly would not work well, if at all, today. But, our modern world is not built on virtues, rather, it is built on the lack of them. Clementia today only comes into play in the
Americna system in the form of the Governor's Pardon, which is usually based on public opinion toward reelection or the weak constitution of the one, who cannot by person morals or ethics, uphold the findings of a jury.

Valete optime,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis

aka Dienekes/Soldalitas Graeciae

"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@... To: Nova-Roma Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Virtues: Clementia


 

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

*Salvete omnes! *Sorry for the delay . . . I was supposed to post
yesterday, but life intervened. I try not to post on a *dies ater *anyway,
even though this is an ongoing project, not a new one, but anyway . . .
once again we continue the Roman Virtues Project, and this time we shall be
examining the virtue of *Clementia.*
*
*
*Clementia *is an often-overlooked Roman virtue. Gaius Iulius Caesar was
famous for his *clementia, *but one could argue that it led to his death,
as it seems his assassins were the recipients of his *clementia. *Octavian
Augustus seems to have wanted to avoid the same "mistake," and so did not
follow Caesar's footsteps in that regard - at least, that is my impression.
But what is *clementia?*
*
*
Our website defines *clementia *as follows: "Mercy" Mildness and gentleness.

The Oxford Latin Dictionary defines *clementia *as follows:
1. Clemency, disposition to spare or pardon, leniency; complaisance.
*b. *(personified)
*c. *(as a special attribute of the Caesars) *d. *(of government, law)
2. (of the weather, climate, etc.) Mildness, genial character, clemency

When most of us think of the Romans, we do not necessarily think of
clemency. The Romans, like most ancient people, were a hard people, and had
to be - theirs was a hard world. Romans (in general) seem harsh and even
cruel compared with most moderns (again, generally). So is *clementia * really
Roman? Is it really a Roman virtue? Certainly, it was famously held to be a
virtue of Julius Caesar, and many of the emperors after him liked to have *
clementia *attributed to them (whether or not they really possessed this
virtue) . . . so certainly millions of Romans of the later Republic and
early Empire believed it *was *a virtue. So great a virtue, in fact, that *
Clementia *was even held to be a goddess, a divine quality with her own
cultus (I would certainly recommend Anna J. Clark's* Divine Qualities: Cult
and Community in Republican Rome *for those interested in this aspect of
the virtues under discussion).

One could argue that *clementia *was the virtue that allowed Rome to be
great in the first place. It was not exactly uncommon in the ancient world
for a people to be utterly ruthless and merciless with those they had
defeated, even exterminating whole peoples to the last man, woman, and
child. Rome was arguably *different* - exercising the virtue of *clementia,
*they turned former foes into allies and even citizens, thus allowing Rome
to be greater than the petty city-states it supplanted. *Clementia *is what
allowed Rome to be in our history books in the first place. Without it,
they would have been just another city-state among thousands throughout the
ancient world's history. So is *clementia *in fact one of the greatest of
virtues? Hmmmm . . . .

So *Clementia *is a Roman virtue, even a Roman goddess. What is it? How do
we practice and live *clementia, *as Romans? Who are the great exemplars of
*clementia* (and yes, we can look at C. Iulius Caesar, but hopefully we
have others, both ancient and modern)? Perhaps most importantly, how do
reconcile the more familiar virtues of the Romans (like *firmitas,
severitas, *and the others that call us to be stern and unrelenting) with *
clementia, *which calls us to be mild, even gentle?
How can we be both types of Romans? Is it even possible?

I look forward to seeing what you all think!

*Valete omnes!*

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis

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A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus aliisque bonae voluntatis, praesertim
cultoribus, S.P.D.

Although many Europeans are on vacation, many of the rest of us are
here. Some are not likely to be averse to learning Latin, the official
religious language of Nova Roma, and the one most likely to be understood by
Roman deities, so I thought that it might be good to remind our citizens and
other cultores about our Latin classes. There are many new citizens who may
not be aware of them, and might like to participate.

As noted last year and earlier this year, we offer Latin instruction by
two different methods, the Wheelock traditional one and the Assimil one,
which is intended to produce fluency in reading, writing, and speaking
Latin. It works, but works best when one knows the basics either from prior
study or from taking the traditional Grammatica Latina courses we offer.

The text for the traditional classes is Wheelock¹s Latin, by Frederic
Wheelock, revised by LaFleur; either the sixth or seventh edition is
acceptable, but the seventh has additional aids for the student. The text
for the assimilation method Sermo Latinus courses is Le Latin sans Peine, by
Clement Desessard. This is also available as Il Latino senza Sforzo, which
is a translation of the French original. Another may be in the works, but
it is not in either language in which the Sermo courses are taught (English
and Spanish). However, we supply translations of each lesson into English
and Spanish for those who mysteriously do not read either French or Italian.
These are revealed along with the lessons as the course proceeds.

The Sermo courses are offered in two forms: one covering five academic
quarters over two years, at a slower pace, and an accelerated one covering
the entire two year course in one year. The Grammatica Latina courses are
even slower paced, and require two full years for the full course, but all
grammatical instruction is over by the end of the fifth academic quarter.
We then move on to interesting readings in genuine Latin, from fellows such
as Pliny and Nepos and Cicero and Horace...you know, real Romans who learned
Latin from their parents. By that time I toss in some elements of the Sermo
courses and other more modern methods of language instruction.

The Grammatica I and Grammatica II courses will begin on August 26th;
the separate Sermo I and Sermo II courses will begin on September 23rd, and
the accelerated combined Sermo Latinus I and II will begin on or about
September 16th. Students wishing to register for any of our courses must
have the text in hand before being allowed to register. If anyone is
interested, please contact me for further information.

Valete.


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Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus SPD

As
it is a tradition about this time of the year, the Pannonian Nova Roman
Reenactor Summer Camp has started again, and I'm very proud that it is the 9th camp we organize as Nova Roma. Unfortunately we could not invite every Nova Roman from all over the world this year, due to financial problems, but the three first Nova Roman persons outside Hungary who contact me privately will be my guest in the camp.

The
Summer Camp is held in two locations, like last year.

One of the two camps starts today, and it is our traditional central provincial camp in Szolnok city for all citizens and guests of Nova Roma in Pannonia. The camp is garrisoned by the
Legio XXI Rapax of Nova Roman Pannonia.This camp is held between August 5 - 11.

The other camp in Mountain
Zemplén, Rostallo, Hungary, is in a beautiful montain landscape in the deep
forest. This is for Nova Roman citizens and guests within Regio
Rostallonensis, a subdivision of Pannonia. This camp will be garrisoned by the Cohors VI Carpathica of Nova Roma Pannonia. It takes place between August
8-16.

As the legatus governor of Pannonia, I will participate in both, from the beginning to the end in the Szolnok main camp (Aug. 5-11), and I will then move to the montain camp on the 11th, and I will be in the Rostallo camp until the 16th.

The camps will host a number of religious ceremonies, legionary drill and training, learning Latin, gladiatorial combats and other various usual programs.

The crown of the program will be the very big honor at the Rostallo camp that the city Mayor of the nearby city Sátoraljaújhely (pronounced [sha-to-ral-ya-uy-hei]) to which the area of Rostallo administratively belongs, will visit our camp and will spend part of the day with us. This is an opportunity to improve the connections of our local Nova Roman community with the city government, which will increase our possibilities to involve Nova Roma better into the local cultural life of the city.

Vivat Nova Roma!
Vivat Pannonia Nova Romana!
Vivat Rostallo Pannonica Nova Romana!

CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS
LEG PR PR
PANNONIAE

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CORRECTION:

This is the VIIIth camp, as I have recounted, but it's not the point anyway LOL :) I am in hurry, so maybe I will have to modify that number, also, later.

Valete!
Lentulus


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Da: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@... A: Forum Hospitum <nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com Inviato: Lunedì 5 Agosto 2013 10:53
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] IXth Nova Roman Reenactor Summer Camp in Pannonia



 
Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus SPD

As
it is a tradition about this time of the year, the Pannonian Nova Roman
Reenactor Summer Camp has started again, and I'm very proud that it is the 9th camp we organize as Nova Roma. Unfortunately we could not invite every Nova Roman from all over the world this year, due to financial problems, but the three first Nova Roman persons outside Hungary who contact me privately will be my guest in the camp.

The
Summer Camp is held in two locations, like last year.

One of the two camps starts today, and it is our traditional central provincial camp in Szolnok city for all citizens and guests of Nova Roma in Pannonia. The camp is garrisoned by the
Legio XXI Rapax of Nova Roman Pannonia.This camp is held between August 5 - 11.

The other camp in Mountain
Zemplén, Rostallo, Hungary, is in a beautiful montain landscape in the deep
forest. This is for Nova Roman citizens and guests within Regio
Rostallonensis, a subdivision of Pannonia. This camp will be garrisoned by the Cohors VI Carpathica of Nova Roma Pannonia. It takes place between August
8-16.

As the legatus governor of Pannonia, I will participate in both, from the beginning to the end in the Szolnok main camp (Aug. 5-11), and I will then move to the montain camp on the 11th, and I will be in the Rostallo camp until the 16th.

The camps will host a number of religious ceremonies, legionary drill and training, learning Latin, gladiatorial combats and other various usual programs.

The crown of the program will be the very big honor at the Rostallo camp that the city Mayor of the nearby city Sátoraljaújhely (pronounced [sha-to-ral-ya-uy-hei]) to which the area of Rostallo administratively belongs, will visit our camp and will spend part of the day with us. This is an opportunity to improve the connections of our local Nova Roman community with the city government, which will increase our possibilities to involve Nova Roma better into the local cultural life of the city.

Vivat Nova Roma!
Vivat Pannonia Nova Romana!
Vivat Rostallo Pannonica Nova Romana!

CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS
LEG PR PR
PANNONIAE

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Ave Lentulus,
 
 
You might want to post this on the Militarium list as well.  There is a new civis that is in Pannonia who wants to start reenacting.  He may already be aware of the Summer camp, I don't know.
 
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Civis Novæ Romæ
Provinciæ America Austrorientalis

"Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu." (The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live) ~ L. Annaeus Seneca

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Omnibus in foro S. P. D.



While trying to organize what I want to say about this virtue, my mind, as
it all too often tends to do, began to wander into a peripheral
consideration, and I find myself thinking about the process and rationale of
personifying certain virtues. It is easy to think of such personifications
as giving tangible (at least in terms of temples, statues, and rites) to a
word, or at the very least a simple idea that can be easily defined.
However, in thinking about Clementia, I think she was personified at least
in part because, like all the Virtue Deities, she gathers to herself a
collection of attitudes, ideas and actions which make her personality as
complex as ours, though her focus is more defined.



To begin with, it is important, I think, not to confuse Clementia and
Comitas, even though Clementia does have some shared traits with comitas.
But in the long run, Clementia is an aspect of power, political and/or
personal. When Clementia is offered, there is, always, the knowledge that
behind the gentle hand is a drawn sword, and that Clementia can be easily
set aside. This, essentially, is true for an emperor, a general, a
governor, a landlord, or a mother who rules her own household and children,
at least in day to day matters. It is certainly true of a Pater Familias,
who, in ancient Rome, had the power of life and death over his home and his
dependants.



I also think that using the term mildness when discussing Clementia can be
misleading. The ancient Romans were many things, but they were never mild .
unless being so had practical advantages. They knew perfectly well that
they could benefit far more from a productive Province and acquiescent
subjects than from a parched, depopulated landscape, all of which would have
to be rebuilt and repopulated. Julius Caesar was, of course, famous for
exercising this option .he could, at least while in foreign parts, because
he had legions to back him up. So, he did the things that would give both
parties options, at least on the surface. If the Province complied, even if
doing so wasn't the preferred choice, they did survive, and even prosper,
and they knew always exactly, because they had witnessed it, what the 2nd
option would entail. As for Caesar and Rome, instead of having to fight
very expensive wars, they received revenue, and subject/allies who were
willing to be buffers between Rome and invasion. In short, Caesar practiced
mildness and generosity to a very definite purpose .but Clementia became a
goddess because she represented a mindset that worked .mostly. I have
thoughts on why this policy finally failed Caesar, but won't discuss them
because I don't have academic credentials or sources to support them.



In considering Clementia in more modern history, I think immediately of
Woodrow Wilson after the First World War . and had more of his ideas been
adopted, the Second World War may at least have been delayed, if not
avoided. Certainly, the Allies (well, 3 of them, anyway) exercised this
virtue after WWII. The Marshall plan rebuilt Europe, and Japan was allowed
to rebuild herself, though that, also, is more complicated than our school
history books present it.



In Nova roma, I think Cn. Cornelius Lentulus is the best exemplar of
Clementia, and of Concordia, (a whole different post). Whenever there are
discussions concerning the results of actions taken, It is he who always
takes the side of clementia. I also have found, having worked with Crispus
for a few years now as a co moderator of a couple of lists, that it is
usually he who deals more gently with problems, even, upon occasion, calming
his colleagues down enough to think, and act, rationally and moderately.



Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca





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Salvete omnes!

A lengthy period of hot dry weather in Wales has revealed new crop marks that have led to discoveries of previously unknown Roman sites.

Aerial surveys have discovered a fort and a marching camp along the route of the main Roman road into South Wales, the modern A40.

These add to the number of important sites in the area, that include Brecon, Caerleon and Caerwent. Caerwent has a long intact town wall, while Caerleon has major Roman legionary camp remains including barrack blocks and a small amphitheatre.

Here is the news report:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23628630

I shall watch for further updates, as the undeveloped landscape here should make ground-based archaeology very possible.

Valete omnes!
Crispus

Avete Omnes,

Recently on the RR list Fabius, Pontiff Fabius, points out my criticisms of
the CP is such because the CP is so conservative.

Frankly I find this laughable on many levels, but for the sake of
discussion I would like to know just how is the CP supposedly a
conservative body?

So, before we begin this discussion, lets crack up the local dictionary and
look up the meaning of the word conservative. Just so we are all on the
same page. Since has Fabius has an issue with the word clerical!

con·ser·va·tive (kn-sûrv-tv)
*adj.*
*1. *Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
*2. *Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
*3. *Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
*4.*
*a. *Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
*b. *Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
*5. **Conservative* Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United
Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
*6. **Conservative* Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
*7. *Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural
resources.
*n.*
*1. *One favoring traditional views and values.
*2. *A supporter of political conservatism.
*3. **Conservative* A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the
United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
*4. **Archaic* A preservative agent or principle.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conservative

Someone anyone please explain to me...because as I see it when it comes to
the key issues of the CP it is anything but a bastion of conservative
ideals I can justify everything I claim below:

I. Female Pontiffs -

If the CP was a conservative college we wouldn't have female pontiffs, but
that ship has be set sail long ago. There have been a number of women in
Nova Roma who have been pontiffs. This is now for the most part a
non-issue in NR.

II Inauguration of Pontiffs -

How many Pontiffs have gone through the formal inauguration process? In
ancient Rome they all went through inauguration ceremonies. Thus it stands
to reason that if the CP is as conservative as Fabius claims it is - then
why have not all of the Pontiffs completed this?

III Vestal question?

There are many issues here related to vestals running for political
offices. Vestals past the age of fertility (this might be incorrect but I
recall reading this) That there is a connection between a woman's
fertility and her service to Vesta. Again, I could be wrong, but again, if
the CP is a bastion of conservatism, it is lacking here.

IV Lustrums

Where are they?

V Animal Sacrifice

If the CP was conservative this would not even be an issue. But this has
always been an issue and probably always will be despite them being fully
accepted in ancient Rome.

So, I would like to have someone explain to me in just what way, what
measurable way is the CP conservative body. Because words mean something,
one does not get to toss out the word conservative and claim that mantle
without actually earning it, Fabius.

Keep in mind, im not trying to make the CP conservative, moderate or
liberal. All I have tried to do is to make the CP work - and be responsive
to questions, applications and to respond to the needs of the community in
general.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

*Salvete omnes!*
*
*
As we continue with the Roman Virtues project, I would like to thank
those who contributed to the discussions so far, and especially those who
contributed their thoughts on *Clementia*. I'm a little late with this one,
because school just started for me and I've been exceptionally busy in both
private and professional life. So thanks again, especially for keeping the
discussions productive and civil.

This week, we focus on the Roman virtue of *Dignitas - *probably one
of the most difficult virtues to define. What is *Dignitas? *The word
derives from the adjective *dignus-a-um, *roughly similar to "worthy" in
English, so *dignitas *is roughly "worthiness" - a sense of worthiness, or
self-worth.

Our website defines *Dignitas *thus: "Dignity" A sense of self-worth,
personal pride.

The Oxford Latin Dictionary defines *Dignitas *thus:
1. Fitness (for a task, etc., stated or imputed), suitability, worthiness.
2. The quality of being worthy, excellence. *b. *visual impressiveness or
distinction. *c. *impressiveness, dignity (of style, gesture, etc.)
3. Rank, status. *b. *a position conferring rank, etc., office. *c. *(pl.,
meton.) persons of high rank or position
4. Standing, esteem, importance. *b. *a condition in which one enjoys one's
own and other's esteem, honour

What is the virtue of *Dignitas? *What was the importance of *Dignitas
*to the ancient Romans, and more importantly, to us as Romans today? How do
we practice *Dignitas, *and what is its importance in our lives? Who are
the great exemplars of *Dignitas *among ancient and modern Romans?

To some extent, I think, we can understand *dignitas *as being like
the concept of "face" - one builds one's *Dignitas *with one's own words
and deeds, and from one's own sense of the worthiness of one's
accomplishments. It is like taking rightful pride in oneself, one's being,
one's choices. One can "lose face" if one's worthiness is not acknowledged,
or worse, is disrespected. This it was that in the last century of the
Roman Republic, Roman society was torn apart by men defending their *
dignitas *from perceived affronts. Considering the negative effects, was *
Dignitas *really a virtue?

I would argue that it *is *a virtue worthy of our consideration. *
Dignitas *is more than just English "dignity," or sense of one's own
position and worth. It is also a sense of one's own accomplishment, a sense
of *self - *in some way similar to the modern concept of an *ego. *It is
largely a self-constructed sense of self. In some ways, it almost
corresponds to Judaeo-Christian ideas of the "soul," and to the sense of
self that it is the goal of Buddhist practice to eradicate from the
practitioner. The ancient Romans considered this an essential part of being
human, and certainly of being Roman, hence the fact that it could even lead
to wars (an attack on another's *Dignitas *was an attack not just on his
"dignity" but upon his very essence, his very self and selfhood, his
very *soul,
*and so could not be ignored).

I look forward to seeing what you all think!

*Valete!*
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Salvete


Just a reminder that you can add yourself with as little or as much information you car to share.


https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=586551



Valete


Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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C. Petronius Dexter flamen Portunalis Novis Romanis Quiritibus salutem
plurimam

dicit,



This is the text of the ritual that I made today to Portune:



Portunalia sunt : linguis animisque fauete !

There are the Portunalia, keep silent!



PRAEFATIO -



Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo

bonas preces precor

uti sies volens propitius

Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

collegio pontificum et augurum,

mihi, domo, familiae!



Father Ianus I pray good prayers

in offering that incense

that you wish to be propitious for

the Quirites People of Nova Roma,

the republic of the Quirites people of Nova Roma,

the College of the pontiffs and the college of the augurs,

me, for my house, for mines.



Portune claviger,

portuum praeses, portarum tutor,

te hac clave igne pianda,

bonas preces precor,

uti sies volens propitius

Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

collegio pontificum et augurum,

mihi, domo, familiae!



Portunus keycarrier,

warden of the harbours, protector of the gates,

in tossing my house key into the flame to purify it,

I pray good prayers,

that you wish to be propitious for

the Quirites People of Nova Roma,

the republic of the Quirites people of Nova Roma,

the College of the pontiffs and the college of the augurs,

me, for my house, for my family.



PRECATIO -



Portune pater,

portuum praeses, portarum tutor,

te precor, oro et obtestor

uti Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium

forte fortuna, felicitate, fecunditate fruatur,

et rixas inter cives expellat.





O father Portune,

warden of the harbours, protector of the gates,

I pray, I beseech and invoke you

that the republic of the Quirites People of Nova Roma

enjoy good fortune, felicity, fertility,

and force the quarrels between citizens out.



SACRIFICIUM -



Portune pater, o Matris Matutae fili,

clavium custos, portarum praeses, portuum tutor,

uti te lacte ommovendo bonas preces precatus sum,

quoius rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!



O father Portunus, son of Mother Matuta,

guardian of the keys, warden of the harbours, protector of the gates,

in offering that milk I well prayed prayers,

for this reason be honoured by this milk I pour!



PIACULUM -



Iane, Portune, Vesta,

Lares, Manes, Penates,

Omnes di inmortales quocumque nomine:

si quidquam vobis in his sacris cordi non fuit,

hoc vino libando

veniam peto et vitium meum expio.



Janus, Portunus, Vesta,

Lares, Manes, Penates,

All immortal gods whatever is their name:

if something in this ceremony was displeasing to you,

by this libation of wine

I beg forgiveness and I make amends for my error.



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Optime valete.



--

C. Petronius Dexter

Flamen Portunalis Arcoiali scribebat

a. d. XVI Kalendas Septembres MMDCCLXVI a.V.c





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Salvete Nova Romans,



Today is the saddest day in my 11 years as a citizen.

I have just had a long conversation with Quintus Iunius Dominicus (Terry Boyle) the husband of Equestria Iunia Laeca. He has informed me that Equestria passed away this past December after her long and debilitating illness. I, for one, will fondly remember her. Equestria was my friend and she will be missed. As Consul the best decision I ever made and one that still benefits Nova Roma was the appointment of Equestria Iunia Laeca as CFO and then to the Senate. Equestria brought competence, dedication, precision, and responsibility to the position of CFO. She used the tools provided her (quicken online) to recreate the financial records of Nova Roma and placed them on a professional footing. With the countless hours she put in as CFO we now have records where any future Consul or CFO or Senate for that matter can see them. She was a good and exceptionally nice person.

May she find rest and peace.

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus



FYI

Deandrea Boyle (Lee), 44, of Salem, passed away peacefully Friday, December 28, 2012. Born in Hartford, she was the daughter of Richard Orsen Benton of Litchfield and the late Carolyn Korzun Robinson. Deandrea lived in Wethersfield for many years prior to moving to New York City and eventually back to CT. Deandrea graduated from the University of Hartford Magna Cum Laude. She enjoyed her career ( with Deloitte & Touche, LLP, Paine Webber and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. She had a passion for horses and loved her pets (Misty, Jordan, Michael and Dre). She is survived by her brother, Dean Gregory Benton of Torrington; her sister, Dawne Emily McKenna of Middletown and her fiancé, John Joseph Lee with whom she made her home.
Deandrea will be remembered on Thursday, January 10. Calling hours are from 4-7 p.m. at the D’Esopo Funeral Chapel, 277 Folly Brook Boulevard, Wethersfield, CT 06109. A Celebration of Life service will be held at 6 p.m. during the calling hours. Burial will be private. Memorial contributions in Deandrea’s name may be made to St. Luke’s Hospital, C/O Continuum Health Partners, Inc. Development Dept., 555 W 57th St., 18th Floor, New York, NY 10019 or the Cummings Veterinary Fund, Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine at Tufts University, Office of Development and Alumni Relations, 200 Westboro Rd., North Grafton, MA 01536.


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Salvete!

Tomorrow, August 19, 2013, marks the 1,999th anniversary of the death of Augustus.

I am taking this opportunity to announce the Ludi Augusti that will commence on September 23, 2013, the birthday of Augustus.

Anyone may participate and there is no cost. There will be prizes.

There will be a five-part series of short questions relating to Augustus that will be posed every other day starting on September 23rd. That is, on the 23rd, 25th, 27th, 29th and 1st of October.

The questions will have a total value of 50 points. The answers must be sent to me at c.claudius.quadratus@.... Answers and standings will be announced every other day starting on September 26th. That is, on the 26th, 28th, 30th, 2nd, with final results on October 4th.

PRIZES: Anyone obtaining 25 or more points will be awarded a Nova Roma sestertius. Anyone obtaining 35 points or more will, in addition, be awarded a genuine and identifiable Roman coin. The winner will, in addition, be awarded a high-quality Roman coin.

Anyone having questions or wishing to participate may contact me directly at the above email address or respond to this notice.

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus
Procurator, Provincia Canada Citerior




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Ave,

Oh no...I am so sorry for her passing! :( May she be no longer suffering
and be in peace. My prayers go to her family during this very very
difficult time.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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spqr753@...
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C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.



My prayers go with Laeca, and my condolences go to her family. I didn't
know her well, but from the little I did know her, I am saddened that she
will never return to us.



Valete!

C. Maria Caeca, Virgo Vestalis



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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

*Salvete omnes! *My thanks to those who participated in the discussion
of *Dignitas,
*which always seems to be a favorite virtue for folks to invoke here in
Nova Roma, but can be a touchy subject . . . after all, we all know the
dark side of *dignitas *all too well - think of Julius Caesar willing to
declare civil war on his country and his former son-in-law Pompey for the
sake of his wounded *dignitas *(allegedly). We have seen modern Romans go
to great lengths to defend their *dignitas *as well - who could allow their
*dignitas *to be slighted and still call themselves Roman?

Anyway, on to the next virtue on this list: *Firmitas. *Our website defines
"Firmitas" thus: "Tenacity" Strength of mind, the ability to stick to one's
purpose.

One can see the appeal of *firmitas *to the ancient Romans. Refusal to ever
quit, refusal to ever lie down and die, is part of what made Rome great.
Even after terrible disasters, like Lake Trasimene and Cannae, the Romans
did not surrender, even though a real counterstrike after Cannae took about
6 years (and as I tell my students, what is 6 years? It is time for the 12
year old boys orphaned by Cannae to become adult soldiers to face
Hannibal!). More than just militarily, though, the Romans admired
discipline and strength of mind and purpose in all endeavors.

Like most virtues, *firmitas *has a down side, a dark side that can become
a vice rather than a virtue. It can be argued that Romans are disciplined
and never give up. but it can also be said that Romans are stubborn. When a
Roman refuses to back down, even when proven wrong, that's not *firmitas, *but
stubbornness. So *firmitas *needs to be pursued with care.

What are your thoughts on *Firmitas? *Who are the great exemplars, ancient
and modern, for this virtue? How do you practice it, and how do you value
it?

Let's discuss it.

*Valete!*

--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Proconsul of America Austroccidentalis


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Avete Omnes,

Most of you might not realize it, but the CP is summoned.

Please take the time to observe their.....summons at work. This is going
to be important because later this month you will all be able to vote if
you feel you have the Collegeium Pontificum you deserve or if Nova Roma
deserves better leaders in this very important part of Nova Roman life.

They have been summoned for over two days now. Measure the participation,
discussions, the exchange of knowledge and criticism. Or the Lack of
participation, lack of discussions and the lack of exchange of knowledge
and criticism. Reflect that some items are not being discussed at all.

Measure and reflect if Nova Roma has the religious leaders it deserves.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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Ave,

They can also review the previous summons of the CP as well. Go back
throughout this year. Read the archives.

Right now the action going on in the CP is as consistent now as it has been
all year long. Read and judge for yourselves.

There certainly has been no substantive changes since the CP's inadequate
administrative issues were brought to the light of day which happened in
May of this year.

Vale,

Sulla


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
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Consolantibus mea. Maii Equestria Iunia Laeca altera vita fruatur, aut caelum videt, si ita Deus sua paratum.
My condolences. May Equestria Junia Laeca enjoy her next life, or Heaven if God so sees her ready for it.
Apollinem et Martem tueatur.
Tiberius Marcius Quadra

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From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Sad Day



 
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Hail Imperator Caesar Augustus!

My Great-grandfather's name is Augustus.


In honor of these two Augustuses, I opened my real estate brokerage this August 2, 2013.


Love Roma,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra
TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS

Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus
Tiberius Caesar, worshipful son of the god, Augustus (god in the sense that he in part made me.)


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti



 


Salvete!

Tomorrow, August 19, 2013, marks the 1,999th anniversary of the death of Augustus.

I am taking this opportunity to announce the Ludi Augusti that will commence on September 23, 2013, the birthday of Augustus.

Anyone may participate and there is no cost. There will be prizes.

There will be a five-part series of short questions relating to Augustus that will be posed every other day starting on September 23rd. That is, on the 23rd, 25th, 27th, 29th and 1st of October.

The questions will have a total value of 50 points. The answers must be sent to me at c.claudius.quadratus@.... Answers and standings will be announced every other day starting on September 26th. That is, on the 26th, 28th, 30th, 2nd, with final results on October 4th.

PRIZES: Anyone obtaining 25 or more points will be awarded a Nova Roma sestertius. Anyone obtaining 35 points or more will, in addition, be awarded a genuine and identifiable Roman coin. The winner will, in addition, be awarded a high-quality Roman coin.

Anyone having questions or wishing to participate may contact me directly at the above email address or respond to this notice.

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus
Procurator, Provincia Canada Citerior



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Salve Quadra!

Congratulations and best wishes for your new business.

I hope you will participate in the Ludi Augusti. It sounds as if you'd have a head start.

My grandparents, before coming to the U.S. over a century ago, came from a family that lived in Romania forever. I've often wondered if I might have some Roman blood in me. Is there a DNA test for that?

Vale!

Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: remarq777@...
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:28:59 -0700
Subject: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti


























Hail Imperator Caesar Augustus!



My Great-grandfather's name is Augustus.



In honor of these two Augustuses, I opened my real estate brokerage this August 2, 2013.



Love Roma,



Tiberius Marcius Quadra

TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS



Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus

Tiberius Caesar, worshipful son of the god, Augustus (god in the sense that he in part made me.)



_


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Salve Quadratus,
I am 4th generation US American; my Great-grandfather Augustus coming from Germany through Ellis Island in the 19th century.


Being from Romania, I'm certain you are of Roman descent; as are many people from Britain to Norway to Jerusalem to Morocco certainly have been touched by our Roman ancestors. Being Roman is not only blood, but also a way of life - the maximizing of all that I'm blessed with, with a touch of Roman design: think VERSACE; or Caligula; or Caracalla, or Ancus Marcius; or anyone of our forefathers of historical merit.

 
America is in part Roman virtue that has lived through the learning curve. SURVIVE THE TRANSITION. 

Regarding the Ludi Augusti, may I suggest making it as easy as possible to participate? I will be on the lookout for it.
Gratia tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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From: "charlesaronowitz@..." <charlesaronowitz@... To: "nova-roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti



 
Salve Quadra!

Congratulations and best wishes for your new business.

I hope you will participate in the Ludi Augusti. It sounds as if you'd have a head start.

My grandparents, before coming to the U.S. over a century ago, came from a family that lived in Romania forever. I've often wondered if I might have some Roman blood in me. Is there a DNA test for that?

Vale!

Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: remarq777@...
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:28:59 -0700
Subject: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti

Hail Imperator Caesar Augustus!

My Great-grandfather's name is Augustus.

In honor of these two Augustuses, I opened my real estate brokerage this August 2, 2013.

Love Roma,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra

TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS

Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus

Tiberius Caesar, worshipful son of the god, Augustus (god in the sense that he in part made me.)

_


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Salve Quadratus Salutem plurimam dicit,

I am 4th generation US American; my Great-grandfather Augustus coming from Germany through Ellis Island in the 19th century.

Being from Romania, I'm certain you are of Roman descent; as are many people from Britain to Norway to Jerusalem to Morocco certainly have been touched by our Roman ancestors. Being Roman is not only blood, but also a way of life - the maximizing of all that I'm blessed with, with a touch of Roman design: think VERSACE; or Caracalla, or Caligula; or Ancus Marcius; or anyone of our forefathers of historical merit.

America is in part Roman virtue that has lived through the learning curve. SURVIVE THE TRANSITION. 

Regarding the Ludi Augusti, may I suggest making it as easy as possible to participate? I will be on the lookout for it.
Gratia tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
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From: "charlesaronowitz@..." <charlesaronowitz@... To: "nova-roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti

 
Salve Quadra!

Congratulations and best wishes for your new business.

I hope you will participate in the Ludi Augusti. It sounds as if you'd have a head start.

My grandparents, before coming to the U.S. over a century ago, came from a family that lived in Romania forever. I've often wondered if I might have some Roman blood in me. Is there a DNA test for that?

Vale!

Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: remarq777@...
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:28:59 -0700
Subject: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti

Hail Imperator Caesar Augustus!

My Great-grandfather's name is Augustus.

In honor of these two Augustuses, I opened my real estate brokerage this August 2, 2013.

Love Roma,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra

TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS

Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus

Tiberius Caesar, worshipful son of the god, Augustus (god in the sense that he in part made me.)

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Salvete omnes,
I'm shocked and sad at these news. I never met Equestria, but I corresponded with her about financial matters when I was consular quaestrix. I remember her as a very competent and kind person.
Thank you, Pauline, for posting this information.

Optime valete,
Livia

Scholasticae Caninus sal.

You do realized that the CP summons themselves, right? If this summons
is 'ill-timed' it would seem to be through their own doing. I am quite
sure that if a meeting in August was an inconvenience then Dexter,
Sabinus and Lentulus could have asked for it to be rescheduled for a
different time. Perhaps May, June or July would have been better to deal
with the topics on the agenda?

On the other hand, if the CP is being summoned at an inconvenient time
and the meeting is going on without full participation that may actually
provide more support for the belief of Sulla and others that the CP has
some serious performance issues that need to be addressed.

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.





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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salve Quadra!

It is very easy to participate. I have your email address and will be in touch when they begin. All you need to do is send me the answers in the correct manner.

Vale!

Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: remarq777@...
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:39:06 -0700
Subject: LUDI AUGUSTI - Re: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti


























Salve Quadratus,

I am 4th generation US American; my Great-grandfather Augustus coming from Germany through Ellis Island in the 19th century.



Being from Romania, I'm certain you are of Roman descent; as are many people from Britain to Norway to Jerusalem to Morocco certainly have been touched by our Roman ancestors. Being Roman is not only blood, but also a way of life - the maximizing of all that I'm blessed with, with a touch of Roman design: think VERSACE; or Caligula; or Caracalla, or Ancus Marcius; or anyone of our forefathers of historical merit.





America is in part Roman virtue that has lived through the learning curve. SURVIVE THE TRANSITION.



Regarding the Ludi Augusti, may I suggest making it as easy as possible to participate? I will be on the lookout for it.

Gratia tibi ago,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra



________________________________

From: "charlesaronowitz@..." <charlesaronowitz@...
To: "nova-roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:55 PM

Subject: RE: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti







Salve Quadra!



Congratulations and best wishes for your new business.



I hope you will participate in the Ludi Augusti. It sounds as if you'd have a head start.



My grandparents, before coming to the U.S. over a century ago, came from a family that lived in Romania forever. I've often wondered if I might have some Roman blood in me. Is there a DNA test for that?



Vale!



Quadratus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

From: remarq777@...

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:28:59 -0700

Subject: HAIL GRAMPS - Re: [Nova-Roma] 1999th Anniversary of the Death of Augustus; Ludi Augusti



Hail Imperator Caesar Augustus!



My Great-grandfather's name is Augustus.



In honor of these two Augustuses, I opened my real estate brokerage this August 2, 2013.



Love Roma,



Tiberius Marcius Quadra



TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS



Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus



Tiberius Caesar, worshipful son of the god, Augustus (god in the sense that he in part made me.)



_



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C. Decius Laterensis A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Scholastica, your defense of the Collegium Pontificum is commendable.  In the current political climate, they need every friend they can get.  In this case, however, your defense may be misplaced.  Metellus announced his intention to convene the Collegium on the 19th of June, and Dexter was among those who replied.  I would think two months would be plenty of time to raise objections to the date.

Di te incolumem custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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C. Decius Laterensis A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Scholastica, your defense of the Collegium Pontificum is commendable.  In the current political climate, they need every friend they can get.  In this case, however, your defense may be misplaced.  Metellus announced his intention to convene the Collegium on the 19th of June, and Dexter was among those who replied.  I would think two months would be plenty of time to raise objections to the date.

Di te incolumem custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Q. Fabius Labeo censoribus omnibusque s.p.d.

None of the "mail to" links on the Nova Roma wiki page appear to be working. I sent an e-mail to the address given in this thread and hope it will be received.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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A. Tullia Scholastica omnibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Both Grammatica Latina courses will begin in less than a week, so it is
rather late to order the text. However, the introductory course has a
built-in period during which the text is not strictly necessary, so we still
may accept tentative registrations, although formal registration depends on
demonstrated possession of the text.

The text for Grammatica Latina I and Grammatica Latina II is Wheelock¹s
Latin, by Frederic Wheelock, revised by R. LaFleur. Either the Sixth or
Seventh Edition is acceptable, but the seventh has aids for the student not
present in the Sixth, as well as interesting Latin graffiti.

The Sermo Latinus courses will begin in September; the accelerated class
will begin on September 16, and the two separate courses will begin on
September 23rd. We also hope that Lentulus will be able to teach the
pre-Latin Rudimenta Latina course once again, but a date has not been set
for that.

The Sermo Latinus courses are intended to produce fluency in reading,
writing, and speaking Latin. Those who apply themselves find that they are
quite effective at that, though in my experience those who do best are those
who already know the basics. This method is extremely effective, and the
lessons are provided by a world-class Latinist, A. Gratius Avitus. The
gussied-up version of traditional Latin I teach in Grammatica will help with
fluency, but the method is not oriented in that direction. Those who apply
themselves should be able to read Latin with some competency at the end of
the course, and to write and speak some Latin, but full mastery will come
only after Sermo. Lentulus, Cordus, both Liviae, some former officers of
Latinitas, and I have taken Sermo; from outside NR there are Latin teachers
and FL teachers as well. I recommend this course, but it is quite grueling,
and not for the fainthearted... or for many who do not know the basics of
Latin grammar. Fair warning...

Valete!




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Ave,

Ummm I wonder if its because your defenders fled to the sertorian organization, Scholastica...that you seem to think it no problem the cp works slower than a turtle walking.

I just have to wonder.

But thank you for the compliment. Glad to see that even you can recognize my diligence and activity.

Vale,

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

Caninus Scholasticae sal.

The CP summoned itself. The Senate, the Censores, the Consul, the
Praetor, and the People did not summon the CP. A member of the CP,
specifically, a Pontifex, summoned the CP, and the PM was aware. Again,
if there is any inconvenience then it raises two issues if your lines of
thinking have any basis in reality:

1. At least one, perhaps more than one, Pontifex is willing to summon
the college at a bad time, being either just plain inconsiderate or
being ignorant of others' schedules, which is extremely hard to believe
as the August vacation time in France and other parts of Europe is well
known to anyone who has had even one semester of foreign language in
grade school (and you are aware that the American pontifices are not
monoglots); and,

2. Important matters are being put forth in an agenda but with little
discussion on the CP list, which begs questions regarding participation
on one hand and transparency on the other. Are there other more
important life events limiting discussion, which suggests we may need
more people in the college to keep the religio running, or are some
matters being discussed through other media so those watching the CP
list are unable to follow the discussion?

Scholastica, you may believe you are pointing out circumstances that
others may not have thought of but that would be incorrect. More than a
few of us have experience with European summers. And as the 'young lad'
you talked down to pointed out, the college has had a long time to deal
with not only his applications but a number of matters yet the college
has failed to make significant progress. If we consider just the
applications, I would be alarmed if it took more than eight weeks to
review and respond with a decision on an application for priesthood but
it has been many times longer than that and still no final decision on a
couple of applications. It's not like the CP has dozens of applications
a month. The volume is in no way comparable to what the Censores have to
deal with. The worst part is that more than one member of the CP stated
there was no response to the applicants for minor priesthoods because
the appointment of minor priests is not a duty of the CP and thus no
response or update was needed, as if sending a message back to the
applicant with a simple "thank you for your application but no" is too
much trouble - or work.

I believe there is certainly room for disagreement on how the Consul is
dealing with the CP, reasonable people can disagree on such matters.
However, any reasonable and informed citizen who cares about the religio
should have reservations about the state of the religio and the
performance of the CP.

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.

Ave,

I would like to be flexible and compromising and work with the cp to find resolutions to their administrative and structural defects.

What they are experiencing is no different than the problem that plagued the senate a few years ago - when audens was appointed basically secretary of the senate to field and respond to correspondence.

However, I have met silence and excuses. How can anyone get any progress and compromise when that is the only wall I met

If anyone wishes to disagree with my agenda - cool. I am open to discuss this agenda here on the ml. But, I have 2 caveats.

1. Doing nothing is NOT an option.
2. Any recommendation someone might have I want to hear how they would implement such recommendation with a cp clearly opposed to any such recommendation.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Sent from my iPhone

Cn. Caesar censor Q. Fabio sal.

Your email was received on this address: gnaeusiuliuscaesar-census2766 AT yahoo DOT com 

Optime vale


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From: q.fabius_labeo <q.fabius_labeo@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: CENSORIAL EDICT: Census registration process



 

Q. Fabius Labeo censoribus omnibusque s.p.d.

None of the "mail to" links on the Nova Roma wiki page appear to be working. I sent an e-mail to the address given in this thread and hope it will be received.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Labeo censori s.p.d.

Thank you very much for the confirmation. It is appreciated!
Di te incolumem custodiant!

In a message dated 8/20/2013 4:02:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rajuc47@... writes:

Scholastica, your defense of the Collegium Pontificum is commendable. In
the current political climate, they need every friend they can get. In
this case, however, your defense may be misplaced. Metellus announced his
intention to convene the Collegium on the 19th of June, and Dexter was among
those who replied. I would think two months would be plenty of time to
raise objections to the date.
Q. Fabius Maximus SPD
SALVETE
Several things did interfere. But we are all starting to make comments on
the proposed appointments and decrees on the College list, I believe 3
Pontifices have made comments, as well as our Vestal.

I remind the forgetful here this is not a fulltime job, nor can we afford
it to be. Unlike Rome we do this on a Volunteer basis.

VALETE

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Ave,

Can you please define part time job?

Really, I would love to hear this. How much hours a week do you spend on
the CP? Part time job would imply more than say 10 hours a week right?

So, let's define exactly this for everyone on the ML, Pontiff. How much
time do you and your colleagues actually spend researching? Going through
applications? And, more importantly where is the result of such endeavors.
Tell the group please.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Salvete
Just gotta have that last word as always...don'tcha?
Valete
QFM






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Ave,

I think this whole part time job thing...is rather important.

Where is the time being devoted to NR? To advance the Religio? Im all
ears. You created this line of questioning, but you dont like it when it
is turned on you. I wonder why that is.

You guys created this situation. You reap what you have sown. I have,
over the course of this year, developed contempt for you and your
colleagues in the CP for their blatant inaction. Every other part of Nova
Roma has been touched with reform except you folks. That is going to
change. I tried to be nice and compromising (senate call back in May)
being nice gets no where with you guys. So be it.

You in the CP keep calling me a dictator. You do realize if I was a
dictator you would be removed from the CP at present. You do know that
right?

Vale,

Sulla

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Salvete omnes!

I have the pleasure to welcome two new members to our list.

They are M. Rutilius Florus and M. Aelius Geminus, both from the USA.

A warm welcome to you both.

Obviously we would like to know more about you so that we can all greet you and help you find your way amongst us. So please drop us a line to tell us who you are, what brings you to Nova Roma, what Roman interests you have, what interested you in Rome in the first place (perhaps a poem, play, film, TV series) and tell us what you want to achieve during your time here.

We hope that you will be with us for a long time, that you will enjoy taking part, and will value your time spent here. It is important to take part, as that is the only way of being a full member of our group as well as a citizen of our Republic. Just watching from the sidelines is not the same as playing a full part, so please join in the discussion - or start a new topic - whenever you can.

So, welcome to each of you, and we hope to hear from you soon.

Valete omnes!
Crispus

Salvete omnes!

S.V.B.E.E.V.

I am M. Rutilius Florus. Thank you for your warm welcome to the group.

I little bit about myself and how I came to Nova Roma:

About a year ago, I grew weary of atheism and decided I would like some spirituality in my life. Having long since divorced myself from my Catholic upbringing, I turned to the gods of antiquity. I wanted a religion that glorified what is important to me. I found the religio to be exactly what I was looking for.

While I honor all the gods, I am a devoted follower of Liber Pater, Venus and Terrus.

I have always been a history buff. When I was younger, I focused on the Enlightenment, but lately I especially love to study the Roman period. I admire their sophistication and values as well as their military genius and sense of freedom. It is amazing how far they advanced and they must have viewed themselves as the pinnacle of civilization. Indeed the western world became stagnant and failed to improve itself until classical teachings were revived in the Renaissance.

I think the western world has in many ways fallen behind again due to neglection of its Roman heritage. Learning and wisdom are less appreciated than they should be. Here in America we are allowing our physical infrastructure to crumble just as the Barbarians did when Rome fell. Religious fundamentalism is hurting our society and turning people against one another, while religion should be a tool to bring people together and enrich our lives.

I believe in Nova Roma. I believe that by promoting the Via Romana we can make this world a better, more civilized place just as the Romans did.

Valete omnes!

P.S. About my cognomen:
I am currently applying for citizenship under the name M. Rutilius Florus, but I have asked the censores to change my cognomen to "Farelus," a latinized version of my surname. Until this is approved, I am happy to go by Florus.

Valetudo quod Fortuna Omnes,

From my personal records (a printout of the Nova Roma website of 24 July
1998, being the day after I became a Cives), a listing of the
Active Gentes and their members:

Patricians --

Aelia: C Aelius Ericus (Pater), Cn Aelius Rusticus
Ambrosia: L Ambrosius Neptunian (Pater)
Antonia: G Antonius Scaenicus (Pater)
Aurelia: M Aurelius (Pater)
Cassia: Cassius Iulianus (Pater), Patricia Cassia
Claudia: F Claudia Juliana (Mater), L Claudius Brittanicus
Cordia: N Cordius Paulus (Pater)
Cornelia: L Cornelius Sulla (Pater)
Drusia: G Drusus Domitianus (Pater)
Equitia: L Equitius Cincinnatus (Pater), M Equitius, Lentulus, Irene
Afrianan Lentula, Pr Equitius Accipiter
Flavia: Ti Flavius Saturninus (Pater)
Germanica: Ag Germanica Ursula (Mater)
Gladia: M Gladius Saevus (Pater), Fl Gladia Xrisanthi
Hadriania: Mg Hadrianus Ingmarius Cogitatus Thuleus (Pater)
Iulia: G Iulius Iulianus (Pater)
Iunia: D Iunius Palladius (Pater), L Iunia Cypria, T Iunius
Leonina: D Leonina Beatrix (Mater)
Luciania: Da Lucianus Dexippus (Pater)
Maria: Ag Maria Glauca (Mater), S Maria Athenia, L Maria Fimbria
Nigeria: I Niger Montis (Pater)
Octavia: M Octavius Germanicus (Pater)
Planincolia: L Planincolius Davidius Germanicus (Pater)
Poppaea: Q Poppaeus Sabinus (Pater)
Portia: Ti Portius Sarno (Pater)
Silvania: Am Silvanius Virbius (Pater), Cl Silvanius Firmus, Sa
Silvania Panthea, Silvania Flora, Silvania Rhea
Terentia: M Terentius Varro (Pater)
Titia: Hy Titus Gladius (Pater), Titia Irisia
Vedia: F Vedius Germanicus (Pater), Priscilla Vedia
Vellia: Ga Vellius Marcallas (Pater), Au Vellius Natalis, Se Vellius
Germanicus

Plebians --

Anncina: Pr Anncina Olivia (Mater), Se Anncina Octavia
Aquilia: M Aquilia (Pater)
Avitabilia: Drusilla Lydia Avitabilia (Mater)
Caecilia Metella: Q Caecilius Metellus (Pater)
Claudia Lucentia: Q Claudia Lucentia Aprica (Mater), M Claudius
Lucentius Pavo, P Claudius Lucentius Severus, T Claudius Lucentius
Sanguineus
Claudia Secunda: Cluadia Secunda Casarophea (Mater)
Hyeania: Sc Hyeanus Africanus (Pater), Fe Hyeanus Huntericus, Mcs
Hyeanus Vindictus, No Hyeanus Maximus, Opt Hyeanus Primus
Labiena: T Labienus Fortunatus (Pater)
Libertania: Trt Libertania Regina (Mater)
Lupinia: G Lupinius Festus (Pater)
Magius: S Magius Igngena (Pater)
Messalina: O Messalina Poppaea (Mater)
Olivaria: G Olivarius Mezentius (Pater)
Pulchria: Pulchrea Dea (Mater)
Septimia: C Septimus Moguntius (Pater)
Sergia: L Sergius Australicus (Pater)
Servia: M Servius Germanicus (Pater)
Sestia: Al Sestius Americanus (Pater)
Tullia: Av Tullis Q f Calladius Praedans (Pater), G Tullius Tiro
Ulleria: St Ullerius Venator (Pater)
Valeria: M Valerius Corvinus (Pater)
Victoria: La Victoria Julia (Mater)

So many gone...

Valete - P Ullerius Stephanus Venator Piperbarbus Poetus


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Ave,

Welcome to nova roma! Glad you joined our growing organization. Feel free to jump in the conversations and ask any questions you might have.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

Greetings Florus,

Like you I am a history buff, and like you I am a former Catholic. I have been a member of NR  for 9 years. I practice the Roman rites as well.
I am interested  in corresponding with you, seeing our similar interests.


Vale Marcus

 
"One of these days I'm gonna get organezized".


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From: m.rutiliusfarelus <m.rutiliusfarelus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Introducing myself



 
Salvete omnes!

S.V.B.E.E.V.

I am M. Rutilius Florus. Thank you for your warm welcome to the group.

I little bit about myself and how I came to Nova Roma:

About a year ago, I grew weary of atheism and decided I would like some spirituality in my life. Having long since divorced myself from my Catholic upbringing, I turned to the gods of antiquity. I wanted a religion that glorified what is important to me. I found the religio to be exactly what I was looking for.

While I honor all the gods, I am a devoted follower of Liber Pater, Venus and Terrus.

I have always been a history buff. When I was younger, I focused on the Enlightenment, but lately I especially love to study the Roman period. I admire their sophistication and values as well as their military genius and sense of freedom. It is amazing how far they advanced and they must have viewed themselves as the pinnacle of civilization. Indeed the western world became stagnant and failed to improve itself until classical teachings were revived in the Renaissance.

I think the western world has in many ways fallen behind again due to neglection of its Roman heritage. Learning and wisdom are less appreciated than they should be. Here in America we are allowing our physical infrastructure to crumble just as the Barbarians did when Rome fell. Religious fundamentalism is hurting our society and turning people against one another, while religion should be a tool to bring people together and enrich our lives.

I believe in Nova Roma. I believe that by promoting the Via Romana we can make this world a better, more civilized place just as the Romans did.

Valete omnes!

P.S. About my cognomen:
I am currently applying for citizenship under the name M. Rutilius Florus, but I have asked the censores to change my cognomen to "Farelus," a latinized version of my surname. Until this is approved, I am happy to go by Florus.




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Salve!

I am Marcus Aelius Geminus. I was a member of Nova Roma since 2004. Not quite sure what happened to my membership, but that is in the past. I have practiced the Roman since 2004. I have a home lararium, I perform the rites, but it seems not enough.

I have found, over the years, Nova Roma's religious section, very informative, in fact, there are no other sources on the internet, that discuss the subject in such detail.

I have a bachelors degree in History, and studied a little Latin in college as well.

My study of Roman history, in particular its religion, gave me my start.
I am a former Catholic, but found the Christian Church static, and very non-dynamic. So I left a few years ago, going between the religio and Catholicism.

My primary deity is Mercury, he has made small miracles in my life, at
a time it was greatly needed.

I hope to meet more citizens in this group,

Thank you Nova Roma.

Vale

Marcus

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque S.P.D.

Firmitas. I always see this virtue as very reserved and very resolute.

Best example in Roma Antiqua: Cato the Censor

Best Examples Modern: Queen Victoria, Ivan the Terrible,

Nova Roma citizens: Cn. Iulius Caesar, L. Cornelius Sulla, A. Tullia
Scholastica.

Valete bene,
Aeternia





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Salvete,

I thought I had posted my response to the Main Fora as well...


My condolences to Equestria's family.

May she rest in peace.

Bonam Noctem,
Aeternia


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C. Maria Caeca M. Aelius Geminus S. P. D.



Welcome back to Nova Roma, and welcome to our new citizens as well! Just
FYI, ancient Romans used their prenomena (first names) only when addressing
or addressed by close family members or lifelong friends. We have continued
this custom. Usually, we use our cognomina (3rd names) when signing posts,
and usually other members of NR use our cognomina as well. This may vary
when speaking directly with very good friends; for example, when writing to
my dearest friends in NR, I usually use my nomen, Maria, since it is
unlikely that there will be enough Marias in my close circle of friends to
get confusing.



Also, when posting to any list, we usually use Salvete (his everyone) to
begin, and valete (bye and be well, everyone) when closing. One uses Salve
and Vale when speaking just to one person, for example, I could say: "Salve
Gemine" (yes, the name looks different, because I have to use the vocative
case, and in names ending with us, one takes the stem, in your case Gemin
and adds an e). Then, at the end, I'd close with "vale bene" or my favorite
closing.



There's a great guide to using Latin in emails somewhere on our site, which
you might to check out at your leisure. I found it incredibly helpful, and
I also watched the ways in which others began and ended their posts. Some
are really simple "Salvete Omnes!" meaning "hello everyone", and I resorted
to that for years! Others are .definitely more complicated. For example,
our Latin instructor, Scholastica, has been known to post such a long and
involved greeting that I was seriously tempted to add "and all the ships at
sea" (anyone recognize where that comes from .or have I just proved,
without any doubt) my status as "ancient crone" J. But valete Bene does the
job very nicely!



Anyway, delighted to see you back among us, and certainly hope you will stay
and help us grow!



Vale (to you, specifically) et valete (general bye bye wave) bene!



C. Maria Caeca



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T.Marcius Quadra M.Aelius Geminus C.Maria Caeca Salutem plurimam dicit
Gratia tibi ago Caeca for the brief Latin lesson. Latin is complicated grammatically speaking.

Welcome back Geminus to our Rome online NOVA ROMA. Here's the link to the abbreviations Caeca spoke of: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail
... bookmark it for quick reference.

I'm slowly learning Latin from Nova Roma and some books (Septimana Latina by Hofmann & Maier, Latein Visuelles Worterbuch by Coventgarden, and Wheelock's Latin by W. & LaFleur)  which helps. Scholastica provides information about a periodic online Latin course. 

NULUM BENEFICIUM EST IMPUNITUM - No good deed goes unpunished (Phrase taught to me by an Austrian Lawyers couple)
- to me translates to -
DESIDERATUS POENA EX SERVITII - Desired punishment through service.

Don't forget: our great leader, who by his youth goofed, albeit ROMAN Emperor "Caligula" Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus' 2001st birthday is coming up on August 31 - AND - it's my 7th anniversary of 100% total sobriety. I pray for Great-uncle Caligula's soul to be forgiven as may knowledge and love for him, through Mars and Christ, and other reasons, helps keep me sober for the rest of this life.

Valete bene,

Tiberius Marcius Quadra


________________________________
From: cmc <c.mariacaeca@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.



 
C. Maria Caeca M. Aelius Geminus S. P. D.

Welcome back to Nova Roma, and welcome to our new citizens as well! Just
FYI, ancient Romans used their prenomena (first names) only when addressing
or addressed by close family members or lifelong friends. We have continued
this custom. Usually, we use our cognomina (3rd names) when signing posts,
and usually other members of NR use our cognomina as well. This may vary
when speaking directly with very good friends; for example, when writing to
my dearest friends in NR, I usually use my nomen, Maria, since it is
unlikely that there will be enough Marias in my close circle of friends to
get confusing.

Also, when posting to any list, we usually use Salvete (his everyone) to
begin, and valete (bye and be well, everyone) when closing. One uses Salve
and Vale when speaking just to one person, for example, I could say: "Salve
Gemine" (yes, the name looks different, because I have to use the vocative
case, and in names ending with us, one takes the stem, in your case Gemin
and adds an e). Then, at the end, I'd close with "vale bene" or my favorite
closing.

There's a great guide to using Latin in emails somewhere on our site, which
you might to check out at your leisure. I found it incredibly helpful, and
I also watched the ways in which others began and ended their posts. Some
are really simple "Salvete Omnes!" meaning "hello everyone", and I resorted
to that for years! Others are .definitely more complicated. For example,
our Latin instructor, Scholastica, has been known to post such a long and
involved greeting that I was seriously tempted to add "and all the ships at
sea" (anyone recognize where that comes from .or have I just proved,
without any doubt) my status as "ancient crone" J. But valete Bene does the
job very nicely!

Anyway, delighted to see you back among us, and certainly hope you will stay
and help us grow!

Vale (to you, specifically) et valete (general bye bye wave) bene!

C. Maria Caeca

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Salve Marcius Rutilius Farelus Salutem plurimam dicit,
Welcome to Nova Roma! We truly are a new form of all that is Rome greatness. And yes, I believe we are a kinder, gentler nation; having learned from our ancestors' hundreds of years of mistakes (namely killing people to progress)... and here we have it, the good USA - a Roman descendant of governing.


I too am Roman Catholic. Universally Roman because WE CAN! Thereby, may GOD bless us in the name of the Father (all Roman Gods), the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit(we the people speaking positive progress by wishing our neighbor 1000x blessings).

 
In Mars & Christ's name,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


________________________________
From: Mark Hamilton <algerhiss88@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Introducing myself



 
Greetings Florus,

Like you I am a history buff, and like you I am a former Catholic. I have been a member of NR  for 9 years. I practice the Roman rites as well.
I am interested  in corresponding with you, seeing our similar interests.

Vale Marcus

 
"One of these days I'm gonna get organezized".

________________________________
From: m.rutiliusfarelus <m.rutiliusfarelus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Introducing myself


 
Salvete omnes!

S.V.B.E.E.V.

I am M. Rutilius Florus. Thank you for your warm welcome to the group.

I little bit about myself and how I came to Nova Roma:

About a year ago, I grew weary of atheism and decided I would like some spirituality in my life. Having long since divorced myself from my Catholic upbringing, I turned to the gods of antiquity. I wanted a religion that glorified what is important to me. I found the religio to be exactly what I was looking for.

While I honor all the gods, I am a devoted follower of Liber Pater, Venus and Terrus.

I have always been a history buff. When I was younger, I focused on the Enlightenment, but lately I especially love to study the Roman period. I admire their sophistication and values as well as their military genius and sense of freedom. It is amazing how far they advanced and they must have viewed themselves as the pinnacle of civilization. Indeed the western world became stagnant and failed to improve itself until classical teachings were revived in the Renaissance.

I think the western world has in many ways fallen behind again due to neglection of its Roman heritage. Learning and wisdom are less appreciated than they should be. Here in America we are allowing our physical infrastructure to crumble just as the Barbarians did when Rome fell. Religious fundamentalism is hurting our society and turning people against one another, while religion should be a tool to bring people together and enrich our lives.

I believe in Nova Roma. I believe that by promoting the Via Romana we can make this world a better, more civilized place just as the Romans did.

Valete omnes!

P.S. About my cognomen:
I am currently applying for citizenship under the name M. Rutilius Florus, but I have asked the censores to change my cognomen to "Farelus," a latinized version of my surname. Until this is approved, I am happy to go by Florus.

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C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A few weeks ago, I bought a copy of 'A Taste of Ancient Rome' by Ilaria Giacosa.  I haven't had a chance to put it to use yet, but tonight I'm planning to.  I'm starting this thread to record the results of my culinary adventures, and to ask questions whenever I hit a rough patch.

Tonight, I'm planning to make stuffed meat patties (pg. 89-90, Apicius 48).  The recipe seems pretty straightforward, though I forsee a couple snags right off.  The first is a lack of pork caul fat to bind the patties together.  To get around that, I'm going to modify the recipe into something akin to a hamburger.  A flat patty should hold together a little better than a small loaf of meat.  I hope.

The second snag I forsee is a lack of myrtle berries.  I'm fairly certain that no local store carries them.  I have no idea what they taste like, so I have no idea what would make for an acceptable substitute.  Any advice would be very much appreciated.

For garum, I'm using a thai fish sauce that seems pretty close to what I need.  For the caroenum, I'm pretty much guessing.  I do know it's reduced wine.  The book is unclear on the concentration, though.  For this recipe, I'm planning to reduce it to about a third of the original volume.  Hopefully that'll be enough.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Ave Marcus,
 
Welcome back.   The prodigal son is always greeted with affection.   I am curious as to where you are located.
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus


________________________________
From: M.H Do the Needfull <algerhiss88@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.

 

Salve!

I am Marcus Aelius Geminus. I was a member of Nova Roma since 2004. Not quite sure what happened to my membership, but that is in the past. I have practiced the Roman since 2004. I have a home lararium, I perform the rites, but it seems not enough.

I have found, over the years, Nova Roma's religious section, very informative, in fact, there are no other sources on the internet, that discuss the subject in such detail.

I have a bachelors degree in History, and studied a little Latin in college as well.

My study of Roman history, in particular its religion, gave me my start.
I am a former Catholic, but found the Christian Church static, and very non-dynamic. So I left a few years ago, going between the religio and Catholicism.

My primary deity is Mercury, he has made small miracles in my life, at
a time it was greatly needed.

I hope to meet more citizens in this group,

Thank you Nova Roma.

Vale

Marcus




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Salve!

The impression I got was that caroenum was made from wine and defrutum from must.  I'm personally going to go with the wine interpretation.  Not for any scholarly reason, though.  I just happen to have a bottle of sweet red wine in my fridge, and I'm pretty sure must is unavailable here.  So, it'd be damned inconvenient if the must interpretation were the correct one.

Also, do you have any suggestions on substitutions for myrtle berries?  As I said in my original post, I don't know what they taste like.  As such, I don't know how critical they are to the recipe or what to replace them with to get a similar flavor.

Optime vale!

C. Decius Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Ave,

That sounds cool!

If you can take pics please :)

Vale,

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

I can take pictures if you'd like, but I doubt they'll be very interesting.  The meat patties themselves will be based on the Roman recipe, but the presentation won't.  In fact, I'll  be serving them on buns, just like a hamburger.  I'd rather save the photos for when the presentation is Roman as well.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Ave,

Anyone who is visual will benefit from seeing the photos and it would be a
great way to promote the Sodalitas by adding the photos of members cooking
and getting their hands dirty so to speak :) Just another layer of reality.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Salve, Petrus

Thank you for the welcome. I reside currently in the great state of Missouri. The heart of the "Bible Belt," with all the dangers that entails for belonging to such
a wonderful organization as Nova Roma.

Vale
Marcus



 
"One of these days I'm gonna get organezized".


________________________________
From: Scipio Second <scipiosecond@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.



 
Ave Marcus,
 
Welcome back.   The prodigal son is always greeted with affection.   I am curious as to where you are located.
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus


________________________________
From: M.H Do the Needfull <algerhiss88@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.

 

Salve!

I am Marcus Aelius Geminus. I was a member of Nova Roma since 2004. Not quite sure what happened to my membership, but that is in the past. I have practiced the Roman since 2004. I have a home lararium, I perform the rites, but it seems not enough.

I have found, over the years, Nova Roma's religious section, very informative, in fact, there are no other sources on the internet, that discuss the subject in such detail.

I have a bachelors degree in History, and studied a little Latin in college as well.

My study of Roman history, in particular its religion, gave me my start.
I am a former Catholic, but found the Christian Church static, and very non-dynamic. So I left a few years ago, going between the religio and Catholicism.

My primary deity is Mercury, he has made small miracles in my life, at
a time it was greatly needed.

I hope to meet more citizens in this group,

Thank you Nova Roma.

Vale

Marcus

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Walter Winchell

The even more ancient Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: c.mariacaeca@...
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:35:42 -0400
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.


























C. Maria Caeca M. Aelius Geminus S. P. D.







There's a great guide to using Latin in emails somewhere on our site, which

you might to check out at your leisure. I found it incredibly helpful, and

I also watched the ways in which others began and ended their posts. Some

are really simple "Salvete Omnes!" meaning "hello everyone", and I resorted

to that for years! Others are .definitely more complicated. For example,

our Latin instructor, Scholastica, has been known to post such a long and

involved greeting that I was seriously tempted to add "and all the ships at

sea" (anyone recognize where that comes from .or have I just proved,

without any doubt) my status as "ancient crone" J. But valete Bene does the

job very nicely!






















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Well, in the process of cooking, I think I may have created a disaster instead of food.  The patties aren't holding together very well.  I'm going to keep at it, but I suspect I'm going to be having pizza for dinner.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Salve Quadrate et Salvete omnes!

In my own defense ...I never heard his original broadcasts, LOL, but indeed
it was Walter Winchell, one of the 3 main English speaking radio voices (for
me) of the 2nd World War.

Vale et valete!
C. Maria Caeca

BTW, Laterense, I suspect the pork ingredient you mention is a binding
agent, intended to help make a kind of loaf out of the meat. If they are
stuffed, that would make sense. Since you are already using a liquid ..I
wonder if maybe crushed pork skins would act like cracker or breads crumbs
but give the pork flavor ...and then you could make a meat mold, stuff it,
close it up nice and tidy, or make several small ones. Are you going to
bake or sauté these? Can't help with the myrtle berries, sorry! I didn't
even know myrtles *had* berries, though it would certainly make sense.
These sound a bit like meat pies without the crust to me, or stuffed meat
loaf. Good luck, anyway!

LOL, Laterense .such is the way of experimentation, including the culinary
kind. If 'twere me, I'd resort to cheating .milk and seasoned bread crumbs
will hold anything together! But .if the makings taste OK, you can always
put them in the fridge or freezer, buy some small frozen pie crusts, fill
them with the experiment, bake for a bit until the crusts are done .and you
might have the best of both worlds!



Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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If they still make Roman Meal bread you could use that. Just cut the
crusts off. French rolls will work for Roman bread, though flour is finely
sifted when compared to the historical bread.

Fabius


In a message dated 8/22/2013 3:07:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rajuc47@... writes:

I can take pictures if you'd like, but I doubt they'll be very
interesting. The meat patties themselves will be based on the Roman recipe, but the
presentation won't. In fact, I'll be serving them on buns, just like a
hamburger. I'd rather save the photos for when the presentation is Roman as
well.




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I'm not sure if they still make Roman Meal bread or not.  I haven't seen it at the store for quite a few years.   Using french rolls is a good suggestion.  I may try it that way next time.

Also, I spoke too soon when I predicted disaster.  One of the patties completely fell apart, but the other three survived intact.  I served them to my wife and myself.  They're very flavorful, but I suspect I overdid it on the wine, as I couldn't really taste any of the spices.  Anyway, here's what I did.

I started with a pound of ground beef.  To that, I added four slices of wine-soaked white bread with the crusts removed.  Then, I added a tablespoon of garum, some black pepper, a teaspoon of allspice in place of myrtle berries, and a bit over two ounces of crushed pine nuts.  I thoroughly mixed it all together, then formed it into four patties.  I cooked the patties over medium heat in one cup of caroenum made with sweet red wine reduced to 2/3 its original volume.  I served them on standard hamburger buns.

The end result had a LOT of flavor and was overall made for a very pleasant meal.  As I said before, though, the wine was a bit overpowering.  Next time I try this, I may skip the caroenum altogether.

Unfortunately, I completely forgot to take pictures... I'll have to make a note for next time.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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T.Marcius Quadra C.Decius Laterensis Salutem plurimam dicit
For ingredients not available at your local supermarket, find it online.

I live on Guam. I've ordered ingredients from New York, and from looking online, and via Yellow Pages et window shopping etc, found that some things are available locally. This requires that I take my time per given recipe. 

Tiberius Marcius Quadra


________________________________
From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... To: "Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com" <Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Laterensis' Adventures in Roman Cuisine



 
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A few weeks ago, I bought a copy of 'A Taste of Ancient Rome' by Ilaria Giacosa.  I haven't had a chance to put it to use yet, but tonight I'm planning to.  I'm starting this thread to record the results of my culinary adventures, and to ask questions whenever I hit a rough patch.

Tonight, I'm planning to make stuffed meat patties (pg. 89-90, Apicius 48).  The recipe seems pretty straightforward, though I forsee a couple snags right off.  The first is a lack of pork caul fat to bind the patties together.  To get around that, I'm going to modify the recipe into something akin to a hamburger.  A flat patty should hold together a little better than a small loaf of meat.  I hope.

The second snag I forsee is a lack of myrtle berries.  I'm fairly certain that no local store carries them.  I have no idea what they taste like, so I have no idea what would make for an acceptable substitute.  Any advice would be very much appreciated.

For garum, I'm using a thai fish sauce that seems pretty close to what I need.  For the caroenum, I'm pretty much guessing.  I do know it's reduced wine.  The book is unclear on the concentration, though.  For this recipe, I'm planning to reduce it to about a third of the original volume.  Hopefully that'll be enough.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

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Salvete!
Ego autem diebus unius in eodem ordinetur. (Scholastica - how's my grammar?)

One of these days I'm gonna get organized.

I concur.

Valete!Tiberius Marcius Quadra

________________________________
From: Mark Hamilton <algerhiss88@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.



 
Salve, Petrus

Thank you for the welcome. I reside currently in the great state of Missouri. The heart of the "Bible Belt," with all the dangers that entails for belonging to such
a wonderful organization as Nova Roma.

Vale
Marcus

 
"One of these days I'm gonna get organezized".

________________________________
From: Scipio Second <scipiosecond@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.


 
Ave Marcus,
 
Welcome back.   The prodigal son is always greeted with affection.   I am curious as to where you are located.
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus

________________________________
From: M.H Do the Needfull <algerhiss88@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Introduction.

 

Salve!

I am Marcus Aelius Geminus. I was a member of Nova Roma since 2004. Not quite sure what happened to my membership, but that is in the past. I have practiced the Roman since 2004. I have a home lararium, I perform the rites, but it seems not enough.

I have found, over the years, Nova Roma's religious section, very informative, in fact, there are no other sources on the internet, that discuss the subject in such detail.

I have a bachelors degree in History, and studied a little Latin in college as well.

My study of Roman history, in particular its religion, gave me my start.
I am a former Catholic, but found the Christian Church static, and very non-dynamic. So I left a few years ago, going between the religio and Catholicism.

My primary deity is Mercury, he has made small miracles in my life, at
a time it was greatly needed.

I hope to meet more citizens in this group,

Thank you Nova Roma.

Vale

Marcus

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Salvete omnes,

I guess my Latin needs work. Those two semesters in college, really didn't cover conversational Latin. More like "The sailor swims well.."
I hope to improve, gradually.

Vale,

Marcus Aelius Geminus

Salvete I found two of these on line. Are these two correct and what would the Latin translation of the law look like? Thanks Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus Oh meus veneratio - On My Honor,
EGO mos operor meus optimus - I will do my best,
efficio meus officium - To do my duty,
ut deus quod meus terra - To God and my country,
obtempero Explorator Cause - To obey the scout laws,
iuvo alius populus procul totus vicis - To help other people at all times,
ut servo mihi - To keep myself
validus mental suscitatio - Physically strong, mentally awake,
quod moral rectus - and morally straight.

is this right?

Scout Motto:

exsisto paratus - be prepared Scout Law:A scout is trustworthyloyalhelpfulfriendlycourteouskindobedientcheerfulthriftybravecleanreverent



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C. Decius Laterensis T. Marcio Quadrae S.P.D.


As much as I enjoy shopping online, it honestly never occurred to me to look for some of the harder to find items online.  I'll definitely look into that next time.  I could also probably find what I'm looking for if I took the time to drive to Columbus or Pittsburgh to check out some of the specialty shops.  Both cities are good places to find stuff like that.  Guam is a lot more remote than my part of Appalachia.  If you can find everything, then I have no excuse at all!


Di te incolumem custodiant!


________________________________
From: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:34 AM
Subject: SPICE ONLINE - Re: [Nova-Roma] Laterensis' Adventures in Roman Cuisine



 
T.Marcius Quadra C.Decius Laterensis Salutem plurimam dicit
For ingredients not available at your local supermarket, find it online.

I live on Guam. I've ordered ingredients from New York, and from looking online, and via Yellow Pages et window shopping etc, found that some things are available locally. This requires that I take my time per given recipe. 

Tiberius Marcius Quadra

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From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... To: "Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com" <Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Laterensis' Adventures in Roman Cuisine


 
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A few weeks ago, I bought a copy of 'A Taste of Ancient Rome' by Ilaria Giacosa.  I haven't had a chance to put it to use yet, but tonight I'm planning to.  I'm starting this thread to record the results of my culinary adventures, and to ask questions whenever I hit a rough patch.

Tonight, I'm planning to make stuffed meat patties (pg. 89-90, Apicius 48).  The recipe seems pretty straightforward, though I forsee a couple snags right off.  The first is a lack of pork caul fat to bind the patties together.  To get around that, I'm going to modify the recipe into something akin to a hamburger.  A flat patty should hold together a little better than a small loaf of meat.  I hope.

The second snag I forsee is a lack of myrtle berries.  I'm fairly certain that no local store carries them.  I have no idea what they taste like, so I have no idea what would make for an acceptable substitute.  Any advice would be very much appreciated.

For garum, I'm using a thai fish sauce that seems pretty close to what I need.  For the caroenum, I'm pretty much guessing.  I do know it's reduced wine.  The book is unclear on the concentration, though.  For this recipe, I'm planning to reduce it to about a third of the original volume.  Hopefully that'll be enough.

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Caninus omnibus in foro SPD.

Tuesday, August 27, is Volturnalia. A ludi event will be held to
celebrate this festival. This will be a bireme race.

Anyone who wishes to participate in the Bireme Race must send a entry
request to M. Pompeius Caninus before 3:00 PM Rome time on Tuesday,
August 27, 2013.Each entry should bear the subject header "Bireme Race"
and include the following information but the name of the bireme is
optional:
1. His/her name in Nova Roma;
2. The name of his/her commander;
3. The name of his/her bireme;
4. His/her tactics for all races except the Finals;
E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
5. The name of his/her "factio" or team:
Albata
Praesina
Russata
Veneta

III. Tactics: Four (4)race tactics are possible:
1. To hurry in the last leg
2. To support a constant pace
3. To take and hold the lead as quickly as possible
4. To crowd the rivals

Bene valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.

Caninus omnibus in foro SPD.

Tuesday, August 27, is Volturnalia. A ludi event will be held to
celebrate this festival. This will be a bireme race.

Anyone who wishes to participate in the Bireme Race must send an entry
request to M. Pompeius Caninus before 3:00 PM Rome time on Tuesday,
August 27, 2013. Multiple entries are permitted - up to three per
person. Each entry should bear the subject header "Bireme Race" and
include the following information:
1. His/her name in Nova Roma;
2. The name of his/her commander (optional);
3. The name of his/her bireme (optional);
4. His/her tactics for all races except the Finals;
5. His/her tactics for the Finals;
6. The name of his/her "factio" or team:
Albata
Praesina
Russata
Veneta

Four (4) race tactics are possible:
1. To hurry in the last leg
2. To support a constant pace
3. To take and hold the lead as quickly as possible
4. To crowd the rivals

The winner of the final will receive a prize.

Bene valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Very little is needed to make a happy life.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, Book VII, 67.

Salvete


I have also done some Roman cooking. Here is the simplest recipe.


hard boiled eggs ( you pick the number)

Honey

Pepper

Pine nuts


Mix


Enjoy


Valete


Paulinus



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T.Marcius Quadra C.Decius Laterensis Salutem plurimam dicit
For ingredients not available at your local supermarket, find it online.

I live on Guam. I've ordered ingredients from New York, and from looking online, and via Yellow Pages et window shopping etc, found that some things are available locally. This requires that I take my time per given recipe.

Tiberius Marcius Quadra

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From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... To: "Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com" <Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Laterensis' Adventures in Roman Cuisine



C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A few weeks ago, I bought a copy of 'A Taste of Ancient Rome' by Ilaria Giacosa. I haven't had a chance to put it to use yet, but tonight I'm planning to. I'm starting this thread to record the results of my culinary adventures, and to ask questions whenever I hit a rough patch.

Tonight, I'm planning to make stuffed meat patties (pg. 89-90, Apicius 48). The recipe seems pretty straightforward, though I forsee a couple snags right off. The first is a lack of pork caul fat to bind the patties together. To get around that, I'm going to modify the recipe into something akin to a hamburger. A flat patty should hold together a little better than a small loaf of meat. I hope.

The second snag I forsee is a lack of myrtle berries. I'm fairly certain that no local store carries them. I have no idea what they taste like, so I have no idea what would make for an acceptable substitute. Any advice would be very much appreciated.

For garum, I'm using a thai fish sauce that seems pretty close to what I need. For the caroenum, I'm pretty much guessing. I do know it's reduced wine. The book is unclear on the concentration, though. For this recipe, I'm planning to reduce it to about a third of the original volume. Hopefully that'll be enough.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

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