Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 1-12, 2014

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92521 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Happy new year!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92522 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Senior Prætor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92523 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92524 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Aedilis curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92525 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - L. Vitellius Triarius - Legatus pro praetore Provin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92526 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: My Final Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92527 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appointment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92528 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92529 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92530 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: A serious thank you!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92531 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92532 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92533 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: My top ten list of things that are CLEARLY Sulla's fault!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92534 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Agnomen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92535 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Greeks among us
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92536 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: A NEW YEAR RITUAL FOR NOVA ROMA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92537 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Your Personal Ritual for the New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92538 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Quaestor's Oath of Office - C. Decius Laterensis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92539 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92540 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office:Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92541 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office of Gaius Aemilius Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92542 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Witnessing Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92543 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: A small farewell to our dictator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92544 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92545 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92546 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92547 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92548 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92549 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92550 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92551 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Tribune List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92552 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92553 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92554 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92555 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92556 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92557 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92558 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92559 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92560 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92561 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92562 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92563 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92564 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: A small farewell to our dictator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92565 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata! No Foul!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92566 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata! No Foul!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92567 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92568 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-02
Subject: Thoughts on the Roman virtue Humanitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92569 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92570 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Thoughts on the Roman virtue Humanitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92571 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92572 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92573 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92574 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92575 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92576 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92577 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92578 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Issuance of Intercessio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92579 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92580 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92581 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92582 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Attn: Ohio Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92583 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92584 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-04
Subject: New findings on food in Pompeii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92585 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-04
Subject: APB's (All Points Bulletins)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92586 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-05
Subject: Praetorial Edictum MPC 67-01 Concerning Staff Appointments for M. Po
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92587 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-05
Subject: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92588 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92589 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92590 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92591 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92592 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92593 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92594 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92595 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92596 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92597 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92598 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Edictum 2767-01 of Praetor M. Pompeius Caninus of Provincia Alasca e
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92599 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Edictum 2767-01 of Praetor M. Pompeius Caninus of Provincia Alas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92600 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: The CP is called in session - January 2767 a.U.c
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92601 From: Clifford Hamm Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92602 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92603 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: something you might find of interest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92604 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: a wonderful quote!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92605 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: I, Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92606 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92607 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92608 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Calendar Note
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92609 From: James V Hooper Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92610 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: a wonderful quote!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92611 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92612 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92613 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92614 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92615 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Album Civium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92616 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92617 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92618 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92619 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92620 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92621 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92622 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92623 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92624 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92625 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92626 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92627 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92628 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92629 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92630 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92631 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92632 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92633 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92634 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92635 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92636 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92637 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92638 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92639 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92640 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Tribune Report on Senate Session Ending 05 JAN 2014
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92641 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92642 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92643 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92644 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92645 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92646 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92647 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92648 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92649 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92650 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92651 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92652 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92653 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92654 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Wisdom of the Ages
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92655 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92656 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92657 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Wisdom of the Ages
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92658 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Call for Governors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92659 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germanic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92660 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92661 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Upcoming Event - Florida
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92662 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92663 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92664 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: OT: Bach works available free
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92665 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92666 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92667 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: OT: Bach works available free
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92668 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] OT: Bach works available free
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92669 From: cassiustiberius Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92670 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92671 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92672 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92673 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92674 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] OT: Bach works available free
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92675 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Latin phrase of the day., 1/11/2014, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92676 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: APB Needed for Caninus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92677 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92678 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92679 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92680 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92681 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92682 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92683 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92684 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: IRS Audit Successful Resolution
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92686 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92687 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Fw: Teachers & Parents: Latin Learning Workshop in NYC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92688 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92689 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: IRS Audit Successful Resolution
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92690 From: jirirys Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92691 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: OT: Look what I found!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92692 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92693 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: OT: Look what I found!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92694 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: OT: Look what I found!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92695 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened (Update)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92696 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened (Update)



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92521 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Happy new year!
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus spd.

Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum MMDCCLXVII AUC
Good luck, and a happy and prosperous new year in 2767 AUC (2014)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92522 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Senior Prætor

Salvete, Quirites!


It is now six hours after midnight on the Kalends of Ianuarius in Rome so, as the newly elected Senior Prætor, I come before the People, Senate, Gods and Goddesses of Nova Roma and I offer my oath of office in two languages, English and Latin, as follows:

 

(English)

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), accepting the office of Senior Prætor,  swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Senior Prætor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Senior Prætor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

A.D. Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII AUC / January 1, 2014.

(Latine)

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), hac re ipsa decus Novæ Romæ me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novæ Romæ acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), officio Prætoris Senioris Novæ Romæ accepto, deos deasque Romæ in omnibus meæ vitæ publicæ temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), Religioni Romanæ me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), officiis muneris Prætoris Senioris me quam optime functurum esse præterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novæ Romæ honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Prætoris Senioris Novæ Romæ una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

A.D. Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII AUC.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92523 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Censor
Ave,

It is my pleasure to take the oath of office for Censor, for a 3rd time in my tenure of Nova Roma.

"I, Robert Woolwine, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Robert Woolwine, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Robert Woolwine, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Robert Woolwine, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Robert Woolwine, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Censor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto." 


Respectfully,


Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92524 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Aedilis curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Oath of Office
L. Vitellius Triarius Civibus et Senatus Novae Romae SPD
 
 
My Oath of Office:
 
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, officio aedilis curulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, religioni romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, officiis muneris aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
 
Datum sub manu mea Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII auc Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia et G. Aemilius Crassus cos."
 
_____________________________________________________________________
 
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), do solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.
 
As Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State religion.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.
 
On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the office of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
 
Given by my hand on the first of January, 2767 years from the founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and G. Aemilius Crassus.


Optime Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92525 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - L. Vitellius Triarius - Legatus pro praetore Provin
 
L. Vitellius Triarius Civibus et Senatus Novae Romae SPD
 
 
My Oath of Office:
 
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, officio Legatus pro praetore Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, religioni romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
 
Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, officiis muneris aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
 
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Legatus pro praetore una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
 
Datum sub manu mea Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII auc Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia et G. Aemilius Crassus cos."
 
_________________________________________________________________
 
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.
 
As a Provincial Governor of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State religion.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
 
I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Provincial Governor to the best of my abilities.
 
On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the office of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
 
Given by my hand on the first of January, 2767 years from the founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and G. Aemilius Crassus.
 
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92526 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: My Final Address
Ave,

Thank you for the well wishes.  It is very much appreciated.

Respectfully,

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92527 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appointment
Edict 2767-01: 
 
 
Edict of Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius on the Appointment of Scribae:
 
I, L. Vitellius Triarius, Curule Aedile, hereby appoint the following citizen as my scriba together with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma:
 
L. Ulpius Atellus
 
No oath shall be required of him. This edict is effective immediately.
 
Given by my hand on the first of January, 2767 years from the founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and G. Aemilius Crassus.

Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92528 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Amice,

You cannot do edicts yet until Imperium is bestowed.  You need to wait until the 5th.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92529 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
SAlvete omnes,
 
Oops...everyone hold that thought for 4 more days!
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:09 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...  
Amice,

You cannot do edicts yet until Imperium is bestowed.  You need to wait until the 5th.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92530 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: A serious thank you!!!
Salve Consul!
 
Caffeine? Really?? Nawwww...
 
Try too much Gentleman Jack!
 
(Well, actually, not too much unfortunately.)
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:43 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...
 
Salvete,

How much caffeine have you all had?

But I do love wolves and they love me.  I recently had an encounter with one at a gun show.  Yes I have pictures of the Wolfie who I met there.  And yes I do have experience in sword-fighting.  Live steel in styles of rapier and florentine. Grew up in a house of sword fighters.  Its been years since I have done serious combat in such things. 

Since time is not on my side I'll have to bid adieu to these most hilarious shenanigans.

Its nice to blow off some steam every once in a while.  I think the Consular Staff of L. Cornelius Sulla Felix most certainly needs it :-)

P.S. Sulla if you are nice to Triarius maybe he will make you a whip too for your Chariot.  So you can stop obsessing over mine!

Valete bene,
Aeternia




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92531 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Q Caecilius Metellus L Vitellio Triario salutem dicit.

Salue, Aedilis.

I can not say that I agree here, though in the end, if only to avoid the
possibility of issues, I would recommend waiting just the same. In my
opinion, however, imperium is not required to issue edicts; it would
only be required to employ coercitio -- compulsion to obey such
edicts.

I suppose an argument could be made that the issuance of edicts is a
component part of executing the law and precursor to it, but that seems
a questionable argument to me. If it were so, then magistrates with the
right to issue edicts, but who are not granted imperium, would find
themselves in a fine trap, having the right to issue edicts but without
the ability to do the same.

At any rate, I would advise what Sulla states, and hold your edict for
now, again, if for no other reason than to avoid the mere possibility
of an issue.

Vale optime.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92532 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Edictum 2761-01, Aedilis Curulis L. Vitellius Triarius - Appoint
Ave Metellus!
 
I will hold off until the 5th. Thanks. I'm just ready to get started...LOL!
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:29 AM, Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...  
Q Caecilius Metellus L Vitellio Triario salutem dicit.

Salue, Aedilis.


I can not say that I agree here, though in the end, if only to avoid the
possibility of issues, I would recommend waiting just the same. In my
opinion, however, imperium is not required to issue edicts; it would
only be required to employ coercitio -- compulsion to obey such
edicts.

I suppose an argument could be made that the issuance of edicts is a
component part of executing the law and precursor to it, but that seems
a questionable argument to me. If it were so, then magistrates with the
right to issue edicts, but who are not granted imperium, would find
themselves in a fine trap, having the right to issue edicts but without
the ability to do the same.

At any rate, I would advise what Sulla states, and hold your edict for
now, again, if for no other reason than to avoid the mere possibility
of an issue.

Vale optime.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92533 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: My top ten list of things that are CLEARLY Sulla's fault!
Caesar Sullae sal.

Amice, I would do it now. They don't move very fast and you will need all the head start you can get. You can return as a shade to pop out of their computers and harangue them about tardiness.

Optime vale


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...  
Wait do I have to petition now....or after im dead? LOL

Sulla


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92534 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Agnomen
Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

I just noticed that my good friend and now ex-colleague, T. Galerius Paulinus, in his role as censor, had accorded mean agnomen of Sagax. It is a great honour and one I deeply appreciate, however I must refuse it. I chose my name carefully when I took my citizenship and wish to avoid any adornment or addition. 

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar I was, am and will be. 

Optime valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92535 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Greeks among us
Salvete omnes!
 
Oulete! As we enter the new year, I would like to invite any citizens who are Hellenists or just have a love for ancient Greece to join the Sodalitas Graeciae, here in Nova Roma.  The sodalitas has been basically inactive for several years, but it needs to be "revived" and a new Ianuarius is the time for election of new Archons to the Boule. This would be a good year to revamp this official special interest group and bring back an old charm with a new face. The goal of this Sodalitas is to restore, in our New Rome, the Greek tradition that existed in Old Rome.

If you are interested, check out the official page at:
 
 
The official forum list is:
 
 
If anyone is interested, we need volunteers to update the site information and ignite the spark! Once you have been accepted to the list, contact Xanthe (Scholastica) if you are interested in running for a particular position in the sodalitas. It would be fantastic if we could finally establish some face-to-face "city-states" this year.
 
Khairete!
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
(aka Dienekes in Sodalitas Graeciae)
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92536 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: A NEW YEAR RITUAL FOR NOVA ROMA
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex, praefectus Italiae, leagtus pro praetore Pannoniae et Venediae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis et senatui populoque Novo Romano omnibusque Quiritibus: s. p. d.:

+ + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXVII + + +

Happy, prosperous, propitious and blessed New Year! The Kalends of Januray, the holiday of Father Ianus, is celebrated today. The celebration of the Beginning of the Beginnings. May Father Ianus bless you all.

This is the ritual to Father Ianus and to all the main gods of Nova Roma that I as pontifex conducted before my home altar after midnight for Nova Roma, for Her new magistrates, for the collegium pontificum, and as praefectus Italiae and legatus pro praetore of Pannonia and Venedia, for my provinces.

SACRIFICE FOR THE KALENDS OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF 2767 AUC, THE CONSULATE OF ST. CORNELIA AND C. AEMILIUS

Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO TO IANUS

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
custos futuri et praeteriti temporis sanctissime,
his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti
te precor, veneror, detestorque quaesoque:
uti laetitiam fortunamque,
omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
fortunatos felicissimosque,
pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque inceptibus conatibusque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium faveas,
utique sies volens propitius
novis consulibus St. Corneliae Valerianae Iulianae Aeterniae et C. Aemilio Crasso,
novis praetoribus P. Annaeo Constantino Placido et M. Pompeio Canino,
omnibusque novis magistratibus,
collegio pontificum,
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!


SACRIFICIUM TO IANUS

Quarum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando,
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
novis consulibus St. Corneliae Valerianae Iulianae Aeterniae et C. Aemilio Crasso,
novis praetoribus P. Annaeo Constantino Placido et M. Pompeio Canino,
omnibusque novis magistratibus,
collegio pontificum,
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libum is sacrificed, libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

PRECATIO TO THE MAIN GODS

GRATIARUM ACTIO

Iane,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Quirine, Venus, Vesta, Mercuri, Concordia, Fortuna!
Penates, Lares,
di Novensiles, dique Indigetes,
omnes divi quocumque nomine,
quorum est potestas nostrum hostiumque,
dique Manes!
Vos quaeso precorque,
uti vos praeteriti proxime anni Kalendis Ianuariis
bonis precibus bene precatus sum,
quibusque uti precibus satisfecistis:
earundem rerum ergo propterque omnia in praeterito proxime anno alia
rei publicae Novae Romanae et populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae data beneficia
macte his turis granis sacrificandis et hoc vino libando
estote fitote volentes propitii!

(After these words incense and wine were sacrificied.)

NEW YEAR REQUESTS

Quarum rerum ergo, quodque melius siet
renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae
in hodie incepto novo anno vobis sacrum fiat:
Vos precor, veneror, veniam peto feroque,
uti Res Nostra, Res Romae reficiundae,
regignundi ac renascentis Populi Romani Quiritium,
Reique Publicae Populi Romani Quiritium renaturae
semper crescat, convalescat, continenter extendatur, augeatur;
fiantque multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
motusque et consociatio ad Rem Romanam reficiundam instituatur;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
utique Italia Nova Romana, cuius praefectus sum, crescat, floreat,
multosque cives habeat;
utique Provincia Pannonia, cuius legatus pro praetore sum, crescat, floreat,
multosque cives habeat;
utique Provincia Venedia, cuius legatus pro praetore sum, crescat, floreat,
multosque cives habeat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siritis;
utique sitis volentes propitii Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Praefecturae Italiae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Venediae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
rogatoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

PRECATIO TO IUPPITER

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
earundem rerum ergo te precor quaesoque,
uti sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Praefecturae Italiae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Venediae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
rogatoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

PRECATIO TO THE PATRIOTIC GODS 

Quirine, Dea Roma, Dea Italia, Venus Genetrix, Mars,
Penates, Lares, Manes maiorum nostrum,
omnes di quocumque nomine, qui Romam favetis favebatis,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti fiant multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
utique ex societate Novae Romae verus motus et consociatio fieri possit,
ex qua Populus Romanus Quiritium
Resque Publica Populi Romani Quiritium renascatur;
utique Novae Romae Societas Italica in Italia et Pannonica in Hungaria et Venedica in Polonia 
magni momenti fiant!

PRECATIO TO THE MAIN GODDESSES

Deae Iuno et Vesta,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam protegatis, curetis, custodiatis;
utique domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam ab omnibus malis conservetis!

SACRIFICIUM COMMUNE TO THE GODS INVOKED

Sicut verba nuncupavi, quae ita faxitis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
his tribus libis libandis
hoc vino lacte melleque mixto libando,
his turis granis sacrificandis
estote fitote in hodie incepto novo anno
volentes propitii renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva, 
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)

+ + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXVII + + +

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
LONG LIVE NOVA ROMA!


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex
praefectus Italiae 
leg. pr. pr. Pannoniae et Venediae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92537 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Your Personal Ritual for the New Year
Cn. Lentulus pontifex amicis et Quiritibus sal.


Dear fellow citizens and friends; you might remember that I made a page on our website for you where you can find a New Year ritual that I wrote for private citizens' use. 

This can be used by any citizen to get a fortunate and propitious new year with successes and joy:



Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum MMDCCLXVII AUC!

Valete!


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
PONTIFEX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92538 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Quaestor's Oath of Office - C. Decius Laterensis
"I, Gaius Decius Laterensis do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. 

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Decius Laterensis swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life. 

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion. 

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma. 

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities. 

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92539 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.

Sta.Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

This is the rite prepared by Pontifex and Flamen Quirinalis C. Iulius Scaurus. It replaces the original rite conducted by the senior consul elect, which is currently lost to us.  Also T. Iulius Sabinus Pontifex gave assistance in advisory form.  Just before the dawn I bathed in preparation, clad in white and purple with head covered. After observing the skies,  I commenced the ceremony.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma."] I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et enatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas nunc custodit defenditque perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum Romanorum custodivit defenditque, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, who protects and defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as he protected and defended the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering]." I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, qui materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novae Romae nutrit perinde ac Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore patrum nostrorum nutrivit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Iuno, queen
of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and People of Nova Roma just as she nurtured the Senate and People of Rome in the time of our fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering]." I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, qui recte res publicas Novas Romanas ducit perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum Romanorum duxit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly guides the public affairs of Nova Roma just as she rightly guided the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering]." I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis nostrae, qui Novam Romam conservat perinde ac Romam antiquam conservavit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Salus, benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of our well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as she preserved ancient Rome, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering]."

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Iuppiter Optimus Maximus cakes, a leaf of laurel, and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Iuno, queen of the Gods, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Iuno cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Minerva, eternal wisdom, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Minerva cakes, and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Salus cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet. [It is over.]"

I profaned some of the wine and cakes, and consumed them, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the caerimonia of the consular sacrifice has yet to be reconstructed from literary or archaeological sources I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Miverva, and Salus.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva et Salus, Di Immortales, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva, and Salus, Immortal Gods, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Votum

Ego, Statia Cornelia Aeternia, Consul Novae Romae, sacrificium Dis Immortalibus, Iovi, Iunoni, Minervae et Saluti pro salute rei publicae et senatus in Kalendis posteris Ianuarii voveo [I, Statia Cornelia Aeternia, Consul of Nova Roma, vow a sacrifice to the Immortal Gods Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, and Salus on the next Kalends of January]."

I hope that the gods will watch over Nova Roma and her citizens through the upcoming year.  May it be a year of peace, productivity, and prosperity.

Bonam Fortunam.

Valete bene in pace deorum,

Statia Cornelia Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92540 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office:Consul
Sta. Cornelia Juliana Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I hereby post my Oath of Office as Consul Maior in both the Official and Ceremonial languages of Nova Roma known as English and Latin.


English

I, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia (K. Jennifer Harris), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

I, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris ), accepting the office of Consul,  swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris ), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris ), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris ), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

A.D. Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII AUC / January 1, 2014. 

Latin

Ego, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris), hac re ipsa decus Novæ Romæ me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novæ Romæ acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris), officio Consularis  Novæ Romæ accepto, deos deasque Romæ in omnibus meæ vitæ publicæ temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris), Religioni Romanæ me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia  (K. Jennifer Harris ), officiis muneris Consularis me quam optime functurum esse præterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novæ Romæ honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Consularis  Novæ Romæ una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

A.D. Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXVII AUC.
 


Valete Optime,
Statia Cornelia Valeriana Juliana Aeternia 
Consul Maior

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92541 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Oath of office of Gaius Aemilius Crassus

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Latine:

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, officio Consulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus officiis muneris Consulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Consulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

 

Português:

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro solenemente defender a honra de Nova Roma, e de agir sempre em nome dos melhores interesses do povo e do Senado de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus juro honrar os Deuses e Deusas de Roma nas minhas acções públicas, e praticar as Virtudes Romanas na minha vida pública e privada.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro promover e defender a Religio Romana como a religião do Estado de Nova Roma, mais juro em como nunca agirei de forma a ameaçar o seu estatuto como a religião de Estado.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro proteger e defender a constituição de Nova Roma.
 
Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus mais juro cumprir as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de Consul até ao limite das minhas capacidades.

Em nome da minha honra como cidadão de Nova Roma, e na presença dos Deuses e Deusas do povo Romano e através da sua vontade e favor, eu aceito o cargo de Consul e todos os seus direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades inerentes ao mesmo.

 
Español:

Yo, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Consul, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Consul y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.

Kal. Ian. 2767 AVC

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92542 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Witnessing Imperium

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as Consul maior, Gaius Aemilius Crassus as Consul minor, Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as Praetor maior, Marcus Pompeius Caninus as Praetor minor and Lucius Vitellius Triarius as Aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

The appointments of Aulus Apollonius Antullus as Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdos, Marcus Aemilius Agricola as Sacerdos Quirinalis, Gaius Decius Laterensis as Sacerdos Martialis, Gaius Claudius Quadratus as Augur, Marcus Aelius Geminus as Sacerdos Mercuri and Titus Iulius Nix as Fetialis.

Approval of the status elevation of Gaius Decius Laterensis, his current or future own family, from plebeian to patrician.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of  the Religio Romana
Gaius Aemilius Crassus
Lictor
Kal Ian

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92543 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: A small farewell to our dictator
Ave in excelsis Sullae Imperator,

Although I've not yet become very familiar with the inner workings of Nova Roma, I feel as though I've come to know you in some small way, by watching from my somewhat distant vantage point as you conduct business, make policy, interact with the officers and citizens of our little nation, and otherwise cause things to spiral into a state of Obamacare. ;)

I think that, beyond the Exxon-Valdez incident happening on account of you, you've done an honorable job of improving upon--and strengthening--the Res Publica left to you by previous Consuls.
I am honored to be part of Nova Roma, and will continue to be pleased to recommend this nation you have directed and shaped to my friends and loved ones.

Floreat Nova Roma!

May your days as censor be prosperous, meaningful, and a little less disastrous for this world we love and live in. :)
I'm confident Nova Roma will continue growing and prospering under our new consuls
...As long as Factio Veneta doesn't keep winning.

Vale optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92544 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
SALVETE!


Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum!

A Happy New Year with health, happiness and prosperity to all of you! May we have a blessed year!

Congratulations to last year magistrates and their staff for a well done job.
Success to this year magistrates in their offices!

VALETE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92545 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Ave consul,
 
Sounds like a beautiful ritual! Are there any photos? I bet Sulla was still sleeping off his celebration while you were doing this!
 
Congratulations!

Gaius Tullius Valerianus
 
Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Proconsul
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92546 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
"This is the rite prepared by Pontifex and Flamen Quirinalis C. Iulius Scaurus. It replaces the original rite conducted by the senior consul elect, which is currently lost to us.  Also T. Iulius Sabinus Pontifex gave assistance in advisory form.  Just before the dawn I bathed in preparation, clad in white and purple with head covered. After observing the skies,  I commenced the ceremony."
 
Salvete,
 
Does anybody have a copy of the  original rite as this is something we should keep in our files for future use.
 
Valete
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92547 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
SALVE!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92548 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Salvete
 
Thanks
 
I thought they mean one we used to use in NR.
 
Valete
 
Paulinus
 
 

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: iulius_sabinus@...
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:32:06 -0800
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.

 
SALVE!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92549 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92550 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year!
Salve Sabinus et Salvete Omnes,

Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum!!

Happy New Year to you Sabine and to all citizens across the world!  

I hope everyone had an enjoyable time with family, friends, or found new company in great places :-)

And a big congratulations to last year's Magistrates.

With an bigger congratulations to our Incoming Magistrates.  

This should be a very productive year.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92551 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Tribune List
Salvete
 
Can someone please invite me to the Tribunes list.
 
Thanks
 
Valete
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Tribune
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92552 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia G. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque S.P.D.

My response below.

Ave consul,
 
Sounds like a beautiful ritual! Are there any photos? I bet Sulla was still sleeping off his celebration while you were doing this!
 
Congratulations!

Gaius Tullius Valerianus
 
Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Proconsul 
 

Aeternia:  Aye.  You are correct Sulla was sleeping off his *spirited* stupor.  Which was okay I wanted him not to be present since the ritual took place inside the domus.  And I wanted to respect his religious boundaries.  But I have to have a moment of honesty this Ritual does take two people if picture taking is to be allowed and etc. I am sad that I did not have my cara amica T. Valeria  Celeris in attendance with me.  Although solo  I took some photos before the ritual took place like of some the ritual tools I was using.  And I did take pictures of the honeyed cakes.

I actually performed not one but two Rituals between the hours of 3:15-4:45 a.m. 

The first ritual was for my own Pantheon.  I am Celtic/Asatru majorly leaning on the Daoine Sidhe tradition for those that are curious.


After a cleansing of ritual space.  I casted a circle and performed a candle ritual.  I did add a Roman Element to this as well, as I paid tribute to both the goddess Fortuna and also the goddess Justicia.

After the closing of the circle and did a  cleansing of ritual space.

I performed the second Ritual which is the Ritual I posted above.

It took a couple starts since my cat (familiar) Avalonne thought she could be in attendance as well.  Its perfectly acceptable for her to be with me in regarding the first ritual for my faith allows such things.  But I wasn't sure because I don't recall reading about the Cultus Deorum and animals being involved in a ritual when they are not in fact being sacrificed.  So I blocked Miss. Avalonne out of the area and performed a second cleansing of the ritual space.

Then I performed the second ritual without any other problems.

There are only a few pictures and not that awesome, again I kinda wish I had someone else in attendance.  Its not everyday I wear the color white.  My entire closet is 95% of the color black lol.


Valete bene,
Aeternia





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92553 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Lictoribus Curiatis in Foris salutem dicit.

Saluete, Lictores, et saluete omnes.

Presently, the Constitution of Nova Roma grants authority to convene
the Comitia Curiata only to the pontifex maximus. As I have stated
elsewhere, despite my wish that the law read differently, the existing
call to the Comitia Curiata which was issued by Pontifex T Iulius
Sabinus is not valid under the laws of Nova Roma.

As such, I come to you, Lictores Curiati, to request that those of you
who have issued witness, investiture and approval/rejection statements,
promptly rescind your statements, for now. As well, I request that
those of you who have not acted on the matter refrain from doing so,
until such time as the Comitia Curiata is properly convened by the
pontifex maximus.

In advance, I thank you for your time and diligence.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92554 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Ave,

No one has to take back anything.  

Ok, I had a feeling this would happen.  As soon as the current Senate session is completed, I will resummon the Senate to promulgate a Senatus Consulta Ultimum to resolve this issue.  Under the current Senate rules the Princeps Senatus has this authority, I used it during this current session and I will use it again to pass a Senatus Consulta Ultimum to authorize Pontifex Sabinus to convene the Comitia Curiata.  In the meantime will you convene the College Pontificum to formally remove Dexter as Pontifex Maximus for dereliction of duty!  Or should I include a Senatus Consulta Ultimum to that effect as well?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Princeps Senatus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92555 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
SALVE ET SALVETE!

How I told to Metellus in private that was done because there was an emergency situation and - the most important! - with favorable auspices for both questions: if in the absence of the PM, I am allowed to call the CC and if the CC can start working with 31st of Dec.
Questioning the call, is questioning the Gods answers to augur Tullius Valerianus.
That was done proper and it stands. On the 4th of January I will move on with Lex de imperio.

If, however, the Senate consider a SCU is necessary, I have no problem.

VALETE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92556 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Caesar Sabino sal.

Amice, I think it wise purely from the secular legal position. This will ensure that you have the unquestioned secular legal right to do this as well as approval of the Gods. 

Optime vale


From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...  
SALVE ET SALVETE!

How I told to Metellus in private that was done because there was an emergency situation and - the most important! - with favorable auspices for both questions: if in the absence of the PM, I am allowed to call the CC and if the CC can start working with 31st of Dec.
Questioning the call, is questioning the Gods answers to augur Tullius Valerianus.
That was done proper and it stands. On the 4th of January I will move on with Lex de imperio.

If, however, the Senate consider a SCU is necessary, I have no problem.

VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92557 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!

C. Decius Laterensis Q. Caecilio Metello omnibusque S.P.D.

As soon as I read this, I double-checked my copy of the Constitution. The language as written is rather clear, and not really open to creative interpretation. Under these circumstances, I cannot accept either appointment as Sacerdos Martialis or elevation to the Ordo Patricius. I don't doubt Sabinus' good intentions, but on such important matters, I don't want there to be any irregularities or any future questions about the validity of my activities or status. Things like this need to be done right or not at all, even if it's not as convenient as we'd like.

On the subject of propriety, I think it might be better for me to achieve Patrician status through adoption rather than through direct elevation by the Senate. Changing my name is not an issue for me. Problem is, I don't know if any of our Patrician citizens would be willing to help me out with this.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



From: Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@... To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Cc: <novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:01:58 AM

 

Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Lictoribus Curiatis in Foris salutem dicit.

Saluete, Lictores, et saluete omnes.

Presently, the Constitution of Nova Roma grants authority to convene
the Comitia Curiata only to the pontifex maximus. As I have stated
elsewhere, despite my wish that the law read differently, the existing
call to the Comitia Curiata which was issued by Pontifex T Iulius
Sabinus is not valid under the laws of Nova Roma.

As such, I come to you, Lictores Curiati, to request that those of you
who have issued witness, investiture and approval/rejection statements,
promptly rescind your statements, for now. As well, I request that
those of you who have not acted on the matter refrain from doing so,
until such time as the Comitia Curiata is properly convened by the
pontifex maximus.

In advance, I thank you for your time and diligence.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92558 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
SALVE!

As I said I have not any problem with that. We spend time to get the same result in the end.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92559 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Q Caecilius Metellus L Cornelio Sullae s.d.

Salue, Censor.

If we are going to take such a path, may we take a path that is more
historical? Namely, to allow the Consuls (by which I mean either
should be permitted) to convene the Comitia Curiata for the items
mentioned in the call previously issued.

Additionally, I noted previously that I do not feel that imperium is
required for the issuance of edicts. Having looked at it further, it
can not be a requirement, for the reasons I previously stated. So far
as that goes, then, I do not see anything that prevents the Consuls
from convening the Senate (or the Comitia, for that matter): imperium
is not necessary to do so. Thus, if at all possible, I think it really
ought to be a consul that convenes the Senate on the matter.

On the other matter, I will discuss it with my colleagues in the
College, and go from there.

Vale optime.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92560 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Salve

Really??? You could have got yourself adopted in the first place, and yes I think it would have been better, but the Senate has voted - you are patrician. An adoption at this stage is pointless. 

Vale
Caesar


From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...  
C. Decius Laterensis Q. Caecilio Metello omnibusque S.P.D.
As soon as I read this, I double-checked my copy of the Constitution. The language as written is rather clear, and not really open to creative interpretation. Under these circumstances, I cannot accept either appointment as Sacerdos Martialis or elevation to the Ordo Patricius. I don't doubt Sabinus' good intentions, but on such important matters, I don't want there to be any irregularities or any future questions about the validity of my activities or status. Things like this need to be done right or not at all, even if it's not as convenient as we'd like.
On the subject of propriety, I think it might be better for me to achieve Patrician status through adoption rather than through direct elevation by the Senate. Changing my name is not an issue for me. Problem is, I don't know if any of our Patrician citizens would be willing to help me out with this.
Di vos incolumes custodiant!


From: Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@... To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Cc: <novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:01:58 AM

 
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Lictoribus Curiatis in Foris salutem dicit.

Saluete, Lictores, et saluete omnes.

Presently, the Constitution of Nova Roma grants authority to convene
the Comitia Curiata only to the pontifex maximus. As I have stated
elsewhere, despite my wish that the law read differently, the existing
call to the Comitia Curiata which was issued by Pontifex T Iulius
Sabinus is not valid under the laws of Nova Roma.

As such, I come to you, Lictores Curiati, to request that those of you
who have issued witness, investiture and approval/rejection statements,
promptly rescind your statements, for now. As well, I request that
those of you who have not acted on the matter refrain from doing so,
until such time as the Comitia Curiata is properly convened by the
pontifex maximus.

In advance, I thank you for your time and diligence.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92561 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Ave,

I know Amice,  It is important and frankly I was looking forward to being able to divest myself of the office of Consul and allow the new magistrates to assume office.

Frankly, I am irritated at Dexter for creation this situation.  This falls 100% on his head.  You, amice, did everything you can to resolve it.  

I have sent a request to Valerianus and Quadratus to get auguries to summon the Senate on Jan 6th.  In the meantime, I guess I will continue being acting Consul/placeholder until the new magistrates are duly invested with Imperium, since there is no law stating when Imperium expires and Nova Roma cannot be without executive officials.  When I do summon the Senate it will be as Princeps Senatus but I will ensure that any executive issue that does pop up I will do my best to resolve and inform the incoming magistrates.   Again, thank you Dexter for allowing me to continue being Consul into the new year.  
And, let me thank Caesar for his foresight in the Senate rules to have us legally resolve this situation using the powers established under the Senate rules for the Princeps Senatus to convene the Senate and promulgate the necessary legislation to get over this minor obstacle in getting our new magistrates into their Curule Chairs.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92562 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Ave,

The issue of Imperium and edicts was used last year and the year before.  But, eh so be it.

I am sorry, but I am going to err on Nova Roma Tradition and when I promulgate an SCU it will authorize Sabinus to summon the Comitia Curiata to get this dog and pony show completed.  Thank you for your suggestion though, it is something that should be researched ONCE this issue is resolved.  Take it up with Aeternia and Crassus once they are invested with Imperium and I am sure they will be open to having discussions with you on the subject.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92563 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata!
Caesar Metello sal.

To avoid any future arguments over whether the current consuls had the right to call the senate without imperium, the princeps senatus will call the senate to order as allowed under its internal rules. This matter can then be dealt with expeditiously by the senate. The SCUs will be clear and will empower the current consuls to exercise imperium (think of it as proconsular imperium), issue edicts etc until their lex curiata can be procured. 

The SCUs will also deal with other matters that have arisen from this.

Optime vale


From: Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...  
Q Caecilius Metellus L Cornelio Sullae s.d.

Salue, Censor.


If we are going to take such a path, may we take a path that is more
historical? Namely, to allow the Consuls (by which I mean either
should be permitted) to convene the Comitia Curiata for the items
mentioned in the call previously issued.

Additionally, I noted previously that I do not feel that imperium is
required for the issuance of edicts. Having looked at it further, it
can not be a requirement, for the reasons I previously stated. So far
as that goes, then, I do not see anything that prevents the Consuls
from convening the Senate (or the Comitia, for that matter): imperium
is not necessary to do so. Thus, if at all possible, I think it really
ought to be a consul that convenes the Senate on the matter.

On the other matter, I will discuss it with my colleagues in the
College, and go from there.

Vale optime.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92564 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: A small farewell to our dictator
Ave,

I guess it is not quite a farewell yet! ;) hehe

Respectfully,

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92565 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata! No Foul!
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2014 6:01:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, q.caecilius.metellus@... writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92566 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-01
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata! No Foul!
Ave Fabius,

We got this covered. Legally Metellus is correct.  Amice, you were very quick to try to sow a seed of doubt in my consulship but here we actually did have a legal problem that could have jeopardized the incoming magistrates and invalidated their actions.  Let us be clear this does not JUST affect the Consuls, but the Praetors and myself.  Metellus was right to point it out.  This is something a few of us had been discussing for the past month and a half, because we all knew Dexter was MIA.

Now, on Jan 6th or 7th once I close the current session of the Senate the next day I will summon the Senate to promulgate the necessary SCUs, there will probably be either 2 or 3 of them, they are being written now.

Once the Senate ratifies the SCUs then Sabinus will then be empowered to summon the Comitia Curiata and then the incoming magistrates will be empowered with Imperium.  

This delay will affect the Senior Consul from assuming her Curule Chair from Jan. 5th to approximately Jan 20th.  But, the matter will be conclusively resolved and a few issues will be resolved in one complete sweep.

Respectfully,

Sulla




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92567 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.

Cassius Atellus Aeterniae Consuli sal,

I thank you for this solemn and honorific offering you have given on my behalf, as well as for all Nova Roma. I am confident that, under your joint consulship with C. Aemilius Crassus, Nova Roma will enjoy greater prosperity and progress; its citizens will find a greater sense of purpose; and we who dedicate ourselves to this little nation of ours will find ourselves being joined by greater numbers.

I look forward to what Nova Roma can do this year.


Vale optissime hoc in anno novo!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92568 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-02
Subject: Thoughts on the Roman virtue Humanitas
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I had meant to comment on this some time ago, but I got distracted.

To me, Humanitas is less about how you treat your own ... most species treat
the members of their own families admirably, as do most "pack" animals, but
how one treats strangers and opponents (except in war, and there were, and
are, even rules in that area). Humanitas (in my view) requires me to offer,
at the very minimum, tolerance of and respect for opinions, philosophical,
religious and political stances with which I do not agree. By doing so, I
allow myself the opportunity to learn from others, and thus to broaden my
own perspectives.

When possible, if I can also be cordial with those with who I don't agree,
that is an application of this virtue. Does this mean I can't disagree with
someone? Certainly not, but it means that I do so from a position of
respect, and retract that respect only when I am treated with disrespect.
Romans, after all, did not "turn the other cheek".

In addition, the application of Humanitas encourages interest in a wide
variety of cultural and intellectual interests, and here, in NR, I think It
encourages citizens to participate in and help to develop our culture on all
levels. As to exemplars of Humanitas here, off the top of my head, I can
think of 2, though I could probably think of more given time, and will
regret not mentioning them. But, for the moment, Sta. Cornelia Aeternia
(who seems to be everywhere, sometimes at the same time) with her
enthusiasm, encouragement, and lovely literary offerings. The other is C.
Aemilius Crassus, who, though not a poet, encourages others in their work,
appreciates music, and is always appreciative of any contributions citizens
make.

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92569 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Ritual 2767 A.U.C.
Salve Cassio Atello et Salvete Omnes,

I hope you rung in the New Year well over there :-).

Thank you for your kind words.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92570 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Thoughts on the Roman virtue Humanitas
Salve Caeca et Salvete Omnes,

You know you are not the first person to say that about me.  That somehow I'm everywhere lol..

In seriousness.

I thank you for your kind words and for you thinking of me.

You rock!

Valete bene,
Aeternia





--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92571 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum

Ti. Cassius Atellus omnibus sal,


I'm still wondering who I can talk to about finding the names of the NR citizens living in the state of Utah.
Anyone?
...Anyone?
...Bueller?


Valete bene.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92572 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Salvete,

Are you from that area I take it?

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92573 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Avete!
 
Oh, I do miss the old days of the Album Provinciorum....Things were much simpler then...

 
Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Friday, January 3, 2014 1:57 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...  
Salvete,

Are you from that area I take it?

Valete bene,
Aeternia


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:54 PM, <ti.cassius.atellus@...



--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92574 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Salve Atellus (Cassi),

I would say normally to contact your Governor or post inquiries to your Provincial list.  Although those options may not be viable right now as we have just gone through some Provincial reconstruction.  In this case you should contact the Censors especially the Senior Censor to assist you in this query.  Also in the meantime feel free to post here put out an "APB" as we sometimes call it.  Seeking those who live in your state/area i, then from there if you get "hits" construct a Provincial yahoogroups list.

That's my sixpence for what it is worth :-)


Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92575 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Salvete,

Indeed, I am a *civis Utensis*.

I've been really hankerin' to connect with those in my area, and finally meet a fellow Nova Roman face to face.

How do I find those names? Is there someone I should talk to?


Gratias atque valete.

Ti. Cassius Atellus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92576 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Salve Aeternia,

I thank you very much for your direction. I will certainly follow up with the censores to get to the bottom of this.
You, like Sulla and Tullius Valerianus Germanicus are from the Phoenix area yourself, yes?

Multas gratias tibi ago, amica.
Vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92577 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
(Triarius scratches his head and ponders...I think there maybe a Southwest US Regional Conventus and Gun Show Invasion afoot for later on this year...hmmm)

Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Friday, January 3, 2014 2:22 AM, "ti.cassius.atellus@..." <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Salve Aeternia,

I thank you very much for your direction. I will certainly follow up with the censores to get to the bottom of this.
You, like Sulla and Tullius Valerianus Germanicus are from the Phoenix area yourself, yes?

Multas gratias tibi ago, amica.
Vale!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92578 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Issuance of Intercessio
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

Whereas the Constitution of Nova Roma provides only one authority by
which the Comitia Curiata may be convened, and whereas that authority
has not convened the Comitia Curiata, and whereas, despite the
preceding, some have acted where the law does not provide allowance for
them to do so, as tribunus plebis and acting on the behalf of the
People, I must pronounce intercessio.

The acts against which intercessio is pronounced are:

- The statements issued to witness the passing of imperium and the
appointment of several sacerdotes, and to approve or reject the
elevation to the ordo patricius of a citizen, by the following
lictores curiati (followed by their respective time of issuance): C
Aemilius Crassus (01 Jan 2014 17:14:36), C Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus (01 Jan 2014 02:45:15), L Cornelius Sulla Felix (01 Jan
2014 01:34:01), C Vipsanius Agrippa (01 Jan 2014 01:21:15), C Marcius
Crispus (01 Jan 2014 00:33:40), Cn Iulius Caesar (31 Dec 2013
23:34:17), Helena Galeria Aureliana (31 Dec 2013 17:32:13).

[The times listed above reflect time in Rome (CET).]

The acts listed above are in violation of Paragraph III.A. of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, whereby the only authority by which the
Comitia Curiata may be convened is the Pontifex Maximus. The Comitia
Curiata has not been convened by the Pontifex Maximus; accordingly, the
above-referenced statements are not in accordance with the provision of
the Constitution cited.

Valete.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92579 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
C. Aemilius Crassus Consul Q. Caecilio Metello Tribuno SPD,

Since has you know the problem is being addressed and no one is trying to pass over it I fail to see why you felt the need to issue this intercessio. I would understand it if a Lex de Imperio was trying to be passed but it isn't.

But for whatever it is worth I acknowledge your intercessio and will issue a new witness of imperium when appropriate as I would going to do anyway.

Vale optime.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92580 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum

Salve Triari,

You crack me up amice. Last night, I went to sleep smiling on account of you.

..."Gun show invasion" *Snickers*


Vale, O ioculator!



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92581 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

A minor point, there appears to be one element missing from this:

" The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed." (Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia II.A.1.b)

All of those who witnessed were acting in their capacities as lictors, not magistrates. The constitution states of lictors (who are classed as Apparitores):

"collectively, the apparitores shall not be considered magistrates" (Const IV.A.9).

The lex Didia states:

"If the intercessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid." (Lex Didia II.A.2)

Therefore, for the record, this intercession is invalid under the law as it clearly lacks one of the three required components - namely the details of the magistrate against who this interposed. Since the tribune has seen fit to style this an intercessio, and not being sure if this will become significant in the future it is important to point out this failure and the subsequent invalid nature of the below screed.

Optime valete


From: Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...  
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

Whereas the Constitution of Nova Roma provides only one authority by
which the Comitia Curiata may be convened, and whereas that authority
has not convened the Comitia Curiata, and whereas, despite the
preceding, some have acted where the law does not provide allowance for
them to do so, as tribunus plebis and acting on the behalf of the
People, I must pronounce intercessio.

The acts against which intercessio is pronounced are:

- The statements issued to witness the passing of imperium and the
appointment of several sacerdotes, and to approve or reject the
elevation to the ordo patricius of a citizen, by the following
lictores curiati (followed by their respective time of issuance): C
Aemilius Crassus (01 Jan 2014 17:14:36), C Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus (01 Jan 2014 02:45:15), L Cornelius Sulla Felix (01 Jan
2014 01:34:01), C Vipsanius Agrippa (01 Jan 2014 01:21:15), C Marcius
Crispus (01 Jan 2014 00:33:40), Cn Iulius Caesar (31 Dec 2013
23:34:17), Helena Galeria Aureliana (31 Dec 2013 17:32:13).

[The times listed above reflect time in Rome (CET).]

The acts listed above are in violation of Paragraph III.A. of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, whereby the only authority by which the
Comitia Curiata may be convened is the Pontifex Maximus. The Comitia
Curiata has not been convened by the Pontifex Maximus; accordingly, the
above-referenced statements are not in accordance with the provision of
the Constitution cited.

Valete.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92582 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Attn: Ohio Citizens

Salvete omnes!

For those who don't already know me, my name is Gaius Decius Laterensis. Since the Provincial reform, I have had the honor of serving as the Governor of Provincia Ohio. As Governor, it's my hope to organize face-to-face activity within the Province. We also have a need for Provincial magistrates. To that end, I first need to know if there's anyone else in the province. Citizens of Ohio, if you're out there, and you're interested, respond to this message or contact me privately.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

C. Decius Laterensis
Legatus pro praetore - Provincia Ohio
Quaestor

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92583 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-03
Subject: Re: De Nominibus Provinciarum
Salve Atellus (Cassi),

Why yes I do reside in the Phoenix area for about four years now.  I was living in Colorado prior to that.

Vale bene,
Aeternia




On Friday, January 3, 2014 2:22 AM, "ti.cassius.atellus@..." <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Salve Aeternia,

I thank you very much for your direction. I will certainly follow up with the censores to get to the bottom of this.
You, like Sulla and Tullius Valerianus Germanicus are from the Phoenix area yourself, yes?

Multas gratias tibi ago, amica.
Vale!






--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92584 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-04
Subject: New findings on food in Pompeii


CHICAGO, ILLINOIS—In Pompeii, a team led by University of Cincinnati archaeologist Steven Ellis has discovered evidence that challenges the traditional perception of Roman dining, which holds that the rich feasted on exotic animals while the poor were reduced to eating simple fare. In a two block area near the city's Porta Stabia gate, the team excavated some 20 shop fronts that would have served food and drink to the general public. Scraps of food recovered from latrines and cesspits show that these businesses weren't just serving gruel, but a wide variety of foods, including cuts of expensive meat and salted fish imported from Spain. In one drain the archaeologists found shellfish and a leg joint of a giraffe, the first giraffe bone to be reported at a site in Italy. "The traditional vision of some mass of hapless lemmings—scrounging for whatever they can pinch from the side of a street, or huddled around a bowl of gruel—needs to be replaced by a higher fare and standard of living, at least for the urbanites in Pompeii," said Ellis.  



Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92585 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-04
Subject: APB's (All Points Bulletins)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia  Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Trying to find an opening line to start this and nothing is standing out.  So here goes.

I would like to thank C. Decius Laterensis for stepping up  and encouraging Meet-N-Greets (face-to-face activity) within his provincia.

I would also  like to take this moment to encourage all of our citizens across the globe to do the same.  You don't even have to be governor to do this.  This is a great to start the beginnings of an Oppidum or just a great social mixer with like minded individuals.(Roman History Lovers unite!)

Citizens across the world please feel free to use the Main Fora as an APB soundboard to find fellow citizens in your area and plan meetings if possible.  I know some may consider this an unorthdodox  move on my part but encouragement really should start with the Magistrates.  From the top and all the way down.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92586 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-05
Subject: Praetorial Edictum MPC 67-01 Concerning Staff Appointments for M. Po

Ex Officio Praetoris Novae Romae:

PRAETORIAL EDICTUM MPC 67-01:
STAFF APPOINTMENTS FOR M. POMPEIUS CANINUS PRAETOR

I, Marcus Pompeius Caninus, Praetor of Nova Roma for the year MMDCCLXVII AUC, in order to assure the uninterrupted continuing operation of the public fora of Nova Roma while issues regarding imperium are being resolved, have the privilege and honor of appointing two exceptional citizens as members of the praetura staff. 

1. I hereby appoint both Gaia Maria Caeca and Gaius Marcius Crispus as apparitores to serve as members of my staff.
2. The above named apparitores shall continue their in their primary duties of the moderation and day-to-day operation of the official fora, in much the same capacity as they have served previous praetores.

3. No oath shall be required for the above named apparitores.

4. This edict shall take effect immediately.

Given by my hand Non. Ian. St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos. MMDCCLXVII AUC
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Praetor

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92587 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-05
Subject: group read idea
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

As you know, I enjoy historical fiction, including fiction set in Roma
Antiqua. I've been filling in some gaps in my reading of Stephan Saylor's
Gordianus the Finder series, and what I think might be a fun idea just
occurred to me. I am going to reread this series, from the beginning and in
order (of the stories, not the order in which the books were written). Then
I thought ...well, now. This might be a fun project for any interested Nova
Romans, too, soooo. Who would like to join me? My thought is to set up a
little email "group" where we can discuss each book as we read it, and,
along the way, maybe discuss the historical events taking place in each
book, too. If you would find this an interesting Winter project, please
email me privately, and grab your copy of the first book, Roman Blood by
Stephen Saylor!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92588 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea
Caninus Caecae spd.

I have fired up my copy of Roman Blood on my Kindle. Count me in.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92589 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea

Salve Canine!

 

Great!  I would have suggested doing this in our NR book club, but I’ve also invited folks from our Facebook page, who may or may not be members of NR, so thought an informal email group might work best.

 

Vale bene!

CMC

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92590 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio

​Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

This missive is only to acknowledge that the intercessio previously issued is hereby withdrawn.

Valete optime!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92591 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Issuance of Intercessio
Salvete,

Thank you Metellus.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92592 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: New provinciae main page
Salvete omnes!
 
I have just uploaded the new, revised provinces page. The page can be found on the main page of the NR wiki in "THE REPUBLIC" section under the Quick links, listed as "PROVINCES" or this direct link:
 
 
CITIZENS: You can locate your home province from this page. There are several of the provinciae currently without governors.  If a vacancy occurs in your home provincial, and you are interested in applying for a position as governor, you should contact the consuls, so they may bring the matter before the Senate in February.  If your province already has a governor, and you are interested in applying for a position in the provincial cohors, then you should contact the governor of your province directly.  Working in your provincial is a rewarding experience, and we need all who wish to assist in advancing the Respublica to consider applying. Nova Roma is growing and we must keep pace with all the new citizens who are coming on.  If you have not considered working in you province before, now is the time. There are more positions than applicants at the moment with the creation of the new provinces and the retiring of some log, term magistrates. We need your help in filling them.
 
GOVERNORS:  If you are the governor of a province which has remained unchanged, there are no changes. If you are governing a province which has been eliminated, the original province pages can be found at the bottom of the page under "Former Provinces," where these pages will remain archived for historical purposes. They are listed as Extinct or Reformed. If your province is reformed (original name kept as a province; e.g. Lacus Magni or Mediatlantica), the original pages have been kept intact with new pages created for the removed regions into their own provincial pages.  New governors can find their new provinces under the new names. These pages are template pages for your updating and editing. If you need assistance, please feel free to contact me or any other wiki types for assistance in getting your pages up and running to your satisfaction.
 
The Consules can be contacted here:
 
Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia
 
Caius Aemilius Crassus
 
 
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92593 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page

Salve!

I just took a look, and it looks good. Thank you for linking to the provincial page I set up for Ohio.

Optime vale!

C. Decius Laterensis
Quaestor
Legatus pro Praetore - Provincia Ohio

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



From: Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@... To: Nova-Roma Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] New provinciae main page
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 6:26:12 PM

 

Salvete omnes!
 
I have just uploaded the new, revised provinces page. The page can be found on the main page of the NR wiki in "THE REPUBLIC" section under the Quick links, listed as "PROVINCES" or this direct link:
 
 
CITIZENS: You can locate your home province from this page. There are several of the provinciae currently without governors.  If a vacancy occurs in your home provincial, and you are interested in applying for a position as governor, you should contact the consuls, so they may bring the matter before the Senate in February.  If your province already has a governor, and you are interested in applying for a position in the provincial cohors, then you should contact the governor of your province directly.  Working in your provincial is a rewarding experience, and we need all who wish to assist in advancing the Respublica to consider applying. Nova Roma is growing and we must keep pace with all the new citizens who are coming on.  If you have not considered working in you province before, now is the time. There are more positions than applicants at the moment with the creation of the new provinces and the retiring of some log, term magistrates. We need your help in filling them.
 
GOVERNORS:  If you are the governor of a province which has remained unchanged, there are no changes. If you are governing a province which has been eliminated, the original province pages can be found at the bottom of the page under "Former Provinces," where these pages will remain archived for historical purposes. They are listed as Extinct or Reformed. If your province is reformed (original name kept as a province; e.g. Lacus Magni or Mediatlantica), the original pages have been kept intact with new pages created for the removed regions into their own provincial pages.  New governors can find their new provinces under the new names. These pages are template pages for your updating and editing. If you need assistance, please feel free to contact me or any other wiki types for assistance in getting your pages up and running to your satisfaction.
 
The Consules can be contacted here:
 
Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia
 
Caius Aemilius Crassus
 
 
Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92594 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Salve Triari, et salvete omnes!

The link to the new Provinces page doesn't seem to work, as I get a blank page saying:

There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.

Vale, et valete omnes!

Crispus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92595 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page

Yahoo cuts the links short. Put a ) at the end, and it'll load.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@... To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: New provinciae main page
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 6:45:06 PM

 

Salve Triari, et salvete omnes!


The link to the new Provinces page doesn't seem to work, as I get a blank page saying:

There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.

Vale, et valete omnes!

Crispus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Vitellius wrote:
Working in your provincial is a rewarding experience, and we need all who wish to assist in advancing the Respublica to consider applying. Nova Roma is growing and we must keep pace with all the new citizens who are coming on.  If you have not considered working in you province before, now is the time. There are more positions than applicants at the moment with the creation of the new provinces and the retiring of some log, term magistrates. We need
as a province; e.g. Lacus Magni or Mediatlantica), the original pages have been kept intact with new pages created for the removed regions into their own provincial pages.  New governors can find their new provinces under the new names. These pages are template pages for your updating and editing. If you need assistance, please feel free to contact me or any other wiki types for assistance in getting your pages up and running to your satisfaction.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92596 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Salve Triari!

Thanks, yes that works with the final ).

Vale optime!

Crispus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92597 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: group read idea
Paterculus C. Caecae et M. Canino s.d.
  I'd be interested in joining the discussion also. The interlibrary loan request has already been put in.
  Valete


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92598 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Edictum 2767-01 of Praetor M. Pompeius Caninus of Provincia Alasca e
Edictum 2767-01 Praetore M. Pompeii Canini de Sacerdote Provinciae nominando 
Edictum 2767-01 of Praetor M. Pompeius Caninus regarding the appointment of a Provincial Sacerdos 

Whereas Provincia Alasca et Havaia does not have an active provincial sacerdos, and because practice and precedent set in other provinciae permits simultaneous Provincial Sacerdotium and Governorship roles filled by the same person, and because the provincial development of Alasca et Havaia requires the establishment and maintenance of a local priesthood:

I. I hereby appoint myself, Marcus Pompeius Caninus, as Sacerdos of Provincia Alasca et Havaia to fulfill the following functions: 

A. Special Obligations
1) To lead and supervise the religious life of Alasca et Havaia;
2) conduct public sacrifices and observe religious festivities;
3) promote the Religio Romana in Alasca et Havaia; and,
4) ensure all such activities follow the forms, guidance and authority of the central religious government.

B. Universal Obligations
1) To access the internet regularly, at least once a week, to read and respond to e-mails; and,
2) to inform the citizenry of Alasca et Havaia on the provincial mailing list and/or by direct email of the date(s) of any absence that may interfere with weekly contact.

II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately. 

Given the 6th of January, MMDCCLXVII AUC 
Datum ante diem VIII Idus Ianuarias St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos. MMDCCLXVII AUC 

M. Pompeius Caninus 
PRAETORE PROVINCIAE ALASCAE ET HAVAIAE 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92599 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-06
Subject: Re: Edictum 2767-01 of Praetor M. Pompeius Caninus of Provincia Alas
SALVE MARCE POMPEI!

Congratulations! I wish you success!

OPTIME VALE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92600 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: The CP is called in session - January 2767 a.U.c
SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal Feb 2767 a.U.c (Thursday 16 January 2014) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Feb 2767 a.U.c (Wednesday, 29 January 2014).

The session schedule.

Contio:

Start with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal feb 2767 a.U.c (Thursday 16 January 2014) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IX Kal Ian 2767 a.U.c (Friday, 24 January 2014).

Vote:
Start with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VIII Kal Feb (Saturday, 25 January 2014) and ends at 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Feb 2767 a.U.c (Wednesday, 29 January 2014).

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

A. Item:

Election of a pontifex ab oficiis from the candidates list.

B.The Collegium Pontificum members can add new items during the contio (recommended!) but not later than 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d. X Kal Feb 2767a.U.c (Thursday 23 January, 2014) .

C. Proxy.
A CP member who is unable to vote can give his proxy to another CP member during the contio.

D. The Collegium Pontificum session can be observed by the entire Nova Roman community at this address:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/ 

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92601 From: Clifford Hamm Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea
Salvete!
 
I read the whole series last year and enjoyed it very much. I envy those of you starting this series for the first time.
Did you know that the next book, Raiders of the Nile, is coming out next month?
I can recommend Saylor's big novels, Rome and Empire too.
 
Bene legendus!
Catus
 
p.s. If the ending of Murder on the Appian Way doesn't make you cry, you're made of stone.
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92602 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea

Salve Cate!

 

No, I didn’t know there is a new Gordianus book coming out soon!   That news bring warmth to a cold day, and, just for the record, I am not made of stone, LOL!

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92603 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: something you might find of interest
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Thought you might find this of some interest.

Researchers at Cornell have recreated Roman-style wax funeral masks.
http://archaeology.org/news/1694-140106-roman-wax-masks-funeral

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92604 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: a wonderful quote!
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I found this quote on one of my Facebook groups about Medieval history
(Richard III, to be precise), but it applies universally, to history and, I
think, to life. It is a good reminder that so long as memory lasts, life
does too, in a way.

. In the Footsteps of Richard III
This quote sums up why I love history: "When you remember me, it means that
you have carried something of who I am with you, that I have left some mark
of who I am in who you are. It means that you can summon me back to your
mind even though countless years and miles may stand between us. It means
that if we meet again, you will know me. It means that even after I die, you
can still see my face and hear my voice and speak to me in your heart."
Frederick Buechner

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca, who's memories of those she loves or has ever loved are,
ultimately, her most precious treasures.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92605 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: I, Claudius
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I just read that Amazon is having a sale on the complete I, Claudius series
on DVD. You can get the entire set for $25! Sorry I don't have a direct
link, but at this price, it's worth searching out!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92606 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo Group
 
Title:   Latin phrase of the day
 
Date:   Wednesday January 8, 2014
Time:   12:00 am - 1:00 am (GMT+01.00) Paris
Notes:   Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit - To boldly go where no man has gone before
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92607 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Caninus Caecae omnibusque sal.

Here are the links for the I, Claudius download and DVD products:

Amazon Instant Video

Amazon Complete Series DVD - 35th anniversary special deal
 
Bene vale et valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92608 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Calendar Note
Salvete omnibus is foro!

Today, A.D. VII Id. Ian. MMDCCLXVII, A.V.C, or the 7th day prior to the Ides of January, in the 2767th year since the founding of Rome, is the 7th day of January in the year 2014, C.E., as measured by the Gregorian Calendar in use by most of the macro world including Nova Roma.  This system was put into effect upon the recommendation of Pope Gregory in 1582, in order to correct the slight wandering of the seasons taking place under the Julian Calendar introduced by Caesar.

Not every institution of the macro world, however, uses the Gregorian Calendar.  Orthodox Christians, for religious events, still utilize the Julian Calendar which is 13 days behind the Gregorian.  Accordingly, Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas today.  So "Merry Christmas" to those who celebrate that event today.

The Julian Calendar should not be confused with the system used by some (particularly astronomers) to more accurately calculate lengths and differences of time based upon the concept of Julian Days.  That system was perfected towards the end of the sixteenth century by one Joseph Justus Scaliger, a Dutchman, to facilitate accurate calculations between events made difficult by calendar changes.  It is based upon the 7980-year period for the convergence of several calendrical cycles and the starting point was set at Noon on January 1, 4713 B.C.E.  Today's Julian Day number is 2,456,665.  It has been suggested that he named the system after his father Julius Caesar Scaliger, but more likely it was in honor of the leap-year system originated by Caesar.

An example of the current use of Julian Days:  One of the more common activities of serious amateur astronomers is the observation of variable stars (they vary in brightness).  Observers from all over the world determine and record the brightness of variables and send in their reports to the American Association of Variable Star Observers (google AAVSO for information).  The time of an observation is crucial and all observations are reported to the tenth of a Julian Day, unless greater accuracy is needed.

Valete!
C. Cl. Quadratus, Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92609 From: James V Hooper Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Don't remember what I paid, but I have the complete I Claudius.. very good
C. Pompeius Marcellus


On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 16:24:16 -0500
"cmc" <c.mariacaeca@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92610 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: a wonderful quote!
Salve Caeca et Salvete Omnes,

This is a beautiful quote.  You know  this would be very nice if this could be translated into Latin even.

Caeca what FB group did you find this at?  Was it Medievalists.net or another?

Valete bene,
Aeternia 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92611 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Update
Avete Omnes,

I wanted to post an update.  I have a few emails that I do need to respond to, and I will.  However, I am trying to take the next couple of weeks off so my response time is going to be rather limited beyond my summoning the Senate into special session this evening.

Please bear with me during this partial absence - I will be responding.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92612 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: group read idea
Just set up
 
Nova Roman Book Club Facebook group
 
Paulinus
 

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: arthur.f.waite@...
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:33:34 +0100
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] group read idea

 
Paterculus C. Caecae et M. Canino s.d.
  I'd be interested in joining the discussion also. The interlibrary loan request has already been put in.
  Valete



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92613 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: I, Claudius
Salvete,

Ooooo "I Claudius"!!!  That is a really good price..  

Let me know when the NR Bookclub is going to read the book.  I totally want in on that..

Valete bene,
Aeternia



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92614 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-07
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.


Speaking of getting in touch with the Consules.

Another great way is also by e-mail.

You can reach me at the following e-mail addresses:

syrenslullaby@... or lorkhanysdrow@... for Social Media Matters only:  eagles.sithen@...

My colleague C. Aemilius Crassus can be reached at the following e-mail address:



I like to think of this as giving more options.  :-)

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92615 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Album Civium
Avete Omnes,

As apart of the Album, it is important that we all keep up our contact information in the Album.  Eventually, we will be reverting back to using the CISTA for our votes and if we do not have correct contact information you might miss important updates.

If you are a magistrate, governor, lictor or hold any title, please take a moment to ensure that you contact information on the Album is current and update.  

Thank you very much.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92616 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: New provinciae main page

Ave,


It seems that email addresses written in the normal format are automatically truncated. Perhaps you could rewrite the addresses you provided? I think the @ symbol is what does it. Lorkhanysdrow-AT-gmail.com might get past that safety measure.


Vale.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92617 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
TM.Quadra Salutem plurimam dicit,
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
To boldly go where no man has gone before
 
Literally:
Ad        eundum            quo      nemo    ante      iit
The       go                    where   no-one  before   he-went
 
Which Latin word or letters represents “boldly”?
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:46 AM, "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo Group
 
Title:   Latin phrase of the day
 
Date:   Wednesday January 8, 2014
Time:   12:00 am - 1:00 am (GMT+01.00) Paris
Notes:   Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit - To boldly go where no man has gone before
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92618 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92619 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92620 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Liburnius HadrianusTriario omnibusque in foro S.D.

The following quotation was mine, with suggestions by our Magistra:

Haec sunt itinera astronavis Enterprise (vel Inceptum).
Suum quinquenne mandatum: ut miros novos mundos exploret, novas vitas novasque civitates ( vel civilizationes)  quaerat
et audacter eat quo nemo antea iit (vel audacter iens quo nemo antea iit).

Since I do not copyright anything anybody can use any portion or all of it at his/her risk. 
Audacter/Audaciter = boldly
vel = or. Do I really need to translate all of it to English???

Vale et valete optime
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92621 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete triari, omnes

Subject  to Magistra' s improvement, I would suggest: "Phaseres ut debilitent parate" Or in the singular "Phaser ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92622 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salvete triari, omnes

correctio n to previous message: 
Or in the singular "Phaserem ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH



On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:59 PM, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...  
Salvete triari, omnes

Subject  to Magistra' s improvement, I would suggest: "Phaseres ut debilitent parate" Or in the singular "Phaser ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 








Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92623 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salve!

That just absolutely made my day! That is just great! Big Trekkie here. 


Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:02 PM, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...  

Salvete triari, omnes

correctio n to previous message: 
Or in the singular "Phaserem ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH



 
Salvete triari, omnes

Subject  to Magistra' s improvement, I would suggest: "Phaseres ut debilitent parate" Or in the singular "Phaser ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 










Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92624 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete!

I believe a new YouTube web series may be developing here for a premiere in 2015. Perhaps Latin, rather than English, should be the lingua franca of Star Fleet. 

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92625 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salve Triari omnesque

Do not forget "me sursum fer, Scotty" (beam me up, Scotty)
nor "morietur, Iacob" (he is dead, Jim)

Vale et Valete
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:11 PM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salve!

That just absolutely made my day! That is just great! Big Trekkie here. 


Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:02 PM, Bruno Zani <reenbru@... wrote:
 

Salvete triari, omnes

correctio n to previous message: 
Or in the singular "Phaserem ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH



 
Salvete triari, omnes

Subject  to Magistra' s improvement, I would suggest: "Phaseres ut debilitent parate" Or in the singular "Phaser ut debilitet para"

Vale et valete optime
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 












Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92626 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
On 01/08/2014 01:58 PM, Bruno Zani wrote:

Fortasse, "mortuus est, Jacobe" (I read "morietur" as "he's going to
die" rather than "he's dead." Perhaps a better latinist than I can weigh
in on this, though...)

Vale et Valete!

A. Vergilius Figulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92627 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete!

My favorite...

Medicus sum, non machinator!

I'm a doctor, not a mechanic.

Valete!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92628 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salve Marci Quadra et omnes,

It seems that this phrase is not good Latin. I know that this translation is at least incomplete: The word for 'boldly' appears nowhere in it. Furthermore, my suspicions that it's bad Latin were confirmed when I entered the phrase in Google Translate, and this exact phrase was produced. In short, we need a new translation.

I'm thinking something close to this: "Audenter procedere ubi antea nemo procedit."

Vale.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92629 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salvete!

 

LOL, no, Al, you don’t need to provide a full translation!  I think it’s part of the cultural “known quotes”, LOL.  Oh, and BTW, Roman phasers would *have* a stun setting!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92630 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit appears in numerous Latin quote websites. No
doubt it would be the first thing Google translate would spit out.

Using roughly the same forms, a better translation might be:
Ire fortiter quo nemo ante iit
'To go boldly where no one has gone before'

Ad eundum does not use the infinitive and it suggests a compelling need
to go somewhere rather than going somewhere in a bold manner.

Marcus Pompeius Caninus





-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
From: <ti.cassius.atellus@... Date: Wed, January 08, 2014 1:19 pm
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Salve Marci Quadra et omnes,

It seems that this phrase is not good Latin. I know that this
translation is at least incomplete: The word for 'boldly' appears
nowhere in it. Furthermore, my suspicions that it's bad Latin were
confirmed when I entered the phrase in Google Translate, and this exact
phrase was produced. In short, we need a new translation.

I'm thinking something close to this: "Audenter procedere ubi antea nemo
procedit."


Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92631 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete Canine, omnesque

I second the motion... Can't wait to hear Latin with a Klingon accent...8-)

Valete optine
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:45 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...  
Salvete!

I believe a new YouTube web series may be developing here for a premiere in 2015. Perhaps Latin, rather than English, should be the lingua franca of Star Fleet. 

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92632 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salve Canine et Salvete omnes!

 

Hmmm ..you know …I bet we could come up with an excellent rationalization for Latin being the official language of Star Fleet … though, if I remember correctly, the series seemed in imply that “Galactic standard” or something like that was used, but we, of course, heard it in our own language.

 

Vale et valete Bene!

CMC

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92633 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Cassius Atellus Canino sal.

That is indeed a helpful insight. Duly noted.

Now, about that webseries:
I'm sure you were joking, but I think tackling just such a project would greatly boost awareness of, and interest in NR around the world, even if much smaller in scope.
Maybe the best move to expand our web presence at present would in fact be to create an official youtube channel, or something similar.
Now that I think about it, this seems to be a matter for praetorian oversight. What are your thoughts?

Aeternia, Crasse, Placide, what about you?


Vale bene.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92634 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salve, Hadriane.


Interesting you should mention the Klingon accent, because I used to study the tlhIngan Hol.

If there are any tall, lanky Klingons needed, count me in! :)





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92635 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salve Figule, omnesque in foro


Fortasse, "mortuus est, Jacobe" (I read "morietur" as "he's going to
die" rather than "he's dead." Perhaps a better latinist than I can weigh
in on this, though...)

You are correct  "mortuus est, Iacob" is a better fit (and was also my first choice, but... I was trying to avoid "he has died", since the English uses a present tense). 
BTW, both my dictionaries indicates "Iacob as undeclinable and neither shows the variant Iacobus as a second declension substantive.

Vale et Valete!

A. Vergilius Figulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92636 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

I'm still looking for a good Latin-Klingon phrase book and dictionary. LOL!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92637 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Cassius Atellus Canino sal.


Marc Okrand (creator of the language) wrote "The Klingon dictionary", first published 1992, which has a phrase list at the back.

A cursory look at Google Shopping results gives $10-14 for both paperback and digital copies.

I love my copy. Lots of fun.


Hope that helps.


Vale.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92638 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salve Figule omnesque in foro


Fortasse, "mortuus est, Jacobe" (I read "morietur" as "he's going to
die" rather than "he's dead." Perhaps a better latinist than I can weigh
in on this, though...)

You are correct! "Mortuus est, Iacob" is a better translation and was my first choice, then I got to think about the English using a present tense...  ("he has died", versus "he is dead") and I changed it.

Thanks for the catch.
BTW Both of my two dictionaries indicates Iacob as undeclinable and neither shows the variant "Iacobus".


Vale et Valete optime!
ALH

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92639 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Vergilius Figulus A. Liburnio Hadriano aliisque s.p.d.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92640 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Tribune Report on Senate Session Ending 05 JAN 2014

Lucius Ulpius Atellus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD


Senate Voting Results published on 09 January 2014 –
a.d. V Id.
Ian. MMDCCLXVII A.U.C.


Presiding Magistrate:
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, Consul


Quorum:
Decius Iunius Palladius is on Leave - his Proxy is assigned to Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix


SCHEDULE:

 

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 23-Dec-2013 : Call to order. Debate period commences.

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 29-Dec-2013 : Debate period ends.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 30-Dec-2013  : Call to vote. Voting period commences.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 4-Jan-2014 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 5-Jan-2014 : Call to close issued before this time




VOTING AGENDA:

I.  Establishing policies for Citizens who are under 18 years of Age.

 

I.I.  Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) are allowed to be on the official fora (The Main List) without parental consent?

 

I.II.  Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) allowed to hold any priestly office (as defined by Section VI of the Constitution of Nova Roma)?

 

I.III.  Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) allowed to be involved in any priestly training program?

 

I.IV.  Are minor citizens (age 16 and above) allowed to be apparitores?

 

I.V.  In the event that a minor has parents as members of Nova Roma does the Senate endorse minors seeking and receiving the benefits of mentors/patrons in an effort to be better acquainted into Nova Roman Society.  The clear distinction is that the mentor/patron has no potestas over the minor - Potestas reside with the parents of the minor?

 

I.VI.  Any minor under the age of 16 must wait until 16 years of age before they can petition to join the official Fora of Nova Roma (the Main List), priestly training programs and to request to serve as apparitores?

 

I.VII. Does the Senate approve the adoption of the PARENTAL CONSENT FOR MINOR'S PARTICIPATION AND HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT.

 

 

II.  Constitutional Change - Since this item has passed the Comitia Centuriata it now comes to the Senate for Ratification.  2/3 of the entire senate needs to vote in the affirmative for this item to pass




The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
tallied as shown below.


The following 17 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in
time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in
alphabetical order by nomen:
* CAC C. Aemilius Crassus, Praetor
* PACP P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
* LCSF L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, Acting Princeps Sen.
* SCVIA Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia
* QFM Q. Fabius Maximus

* TGP Ti. Galerius Paulinus
* CnIC Cn. Iulius Caesar
* DeIPI De. Iunius Palladius Invictus, Princeps Sen.(on leave)
* TIS T. Iulius Sabinus
* CMC C. Marcius Crispus
* PoMS Po. Minucia Strabo

* MMA M. Minucius Audens
* MPC M. Pompeius Caninus
* QSP Q. Suetonius Paulinus
* CTVG C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

* CVA C. Vipsanius Agrippa
* LVT L. Vitellius Triarius


The following 5 senators or voting members of the Senate did not cast a
vote or did not cast a vote on time:
* M. Cassius Julianus
* L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
* M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
* C. Petronius Dexter
* P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator


In the voting results shown below "Uti Rogas" indicates a vote in favor
of an item, "Antiquo" is a vote against, and "Abstineo" is an open
abstention.


_______

==Item I -
Establishing policies for Citizens who are under 18 years of Age.==


===Item I.I===
Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) are allowed to be on the official fora (The Main List) without parental consent?


===Results===
Uti rogas: 14
Antiquo: 2
Abstineo: 1

Item I.I: PASSED


 

 

 

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo " The official fora are more than the ML. The ML is the place where citizens have complete freedom of speech only limited by international and NR laws so I wouldn't like to see citizens moderate due minor possible sensitives or of their parents. I think better to keep ML only for full citizens.
* PACP Uti rogas
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Abstineo “After much more thought I cannot vote  a"yes" or a "no" because I do believe that minors should not be allowed on the Official fora.  The Main List is not always a bed roses it can often sprout thorns and rather quickly I might add.  We should not expose our youth to that.  If anything let them be on the FH list or their own list where they can have their own teen topics.”
* QFM Uti rogas

* CnIC Uti rogas
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Uti rogas
* PoMS Uti rogas
* MPC Uti rogas "All minors should have a signed waiver on file to participate in Nova Roma activities in order to mitigate the risk of a parent or guardian suing the organization because he or she believes the minor was corrupted in some way through their association with Nova Roma. A parent who allows his or her minor child to participate in Nova Roma's fora may later decide that the child's behavior has changed as a
result of such participation. Consider a nominal Christian parent who, some weeks after their child has joined Nova Roma, observes their child saying prayers or practicing a ritual to a Roman god. A parent may panic
in a situation like that and decide to take action against Nova Roma. Nova Roma has no protection from being sued by a parent in such a situation. A signed waiver might greatly reduce the potential liability
in such a situation. Even for an activity as seemingly harmless as joining a Yahoo group."

* QSP Uti rogas
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Uti rogas

* MMA Uti rogas
* LVT Uti rogas

* TGP Uti rogas



===Item I.II===
Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) allowed to hold any priestly office (as defined by Section VI of the Constitution of Nova Roma)?


===Results===
Uti rogas: 4
Antiquo: 13
Abstineo: 0

Item I.II: FAILED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo " No, the priestly offices are an extension of the community life and only full citizens can hold them.
* PACP Antiquo
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Antiquo
* QFM Antiquo

* CnIC Antiquo “The way the motion is worded could also mean when a parent refuses to agree to it - the juvenile would still be there "without parental consent".
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Antiquo
* PoMS Antiquo
* MPC Antiquo
* QSP Antiquo
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Antiquo

* MMA Antiquo
* LVT Antiquo

* TGP Antiquo

 

 

===Item I.III===
Are minor citizens (aged 16 and above) allowed to be involved in any priestly training program?


===Results===
Uti rogas: 6
Antiquo: 10
Abstineo: 0

Item I.III: FAILED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo “ If it was stated with the full authorization from their parents or legal guardians I would gladly vote in favor but as it is express it may be interpret as the parent authorization is not needed so I will vote against it”
* PACP Uti rogas “Only if they are seriously interested.”
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Antiquo “This is a big responsibility.  Teens often change their interests like clothes.  They could be very interested in being a Priest and the next day be completely passe about it.”
* QFM NO VOTE

* CnIC Antiquo “I would have agreed with under strict conditions requiring no involvement in ritual, this but the motion says "any priestly office".
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Antiquo
* CMC Antiquo
* PoMS Uti Rogas “Only if they are seriously interested.”
* MPC Uti rogas "But only with parental consent in writing, preferably with a signed waiver form."
* QSP Antiquo
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Antiquo

* MMA Antiquo
* LVT Antiquo

* TGP Antiquo

 

 

===Item I.IV===
Are minor citizens (age 16 and above) allowed to be apparitores?




===Results===
Uti rogas: 6
Antiquo: 11
Abstineo: 0

Item I.IV: FAILED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo “Only with parental authorization and with no legal powers”
* PACP Antiquo
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Uti rogas “ A cammillus program would be very fitting.”
* QFM Uti rogas

* CnIC Antiquo
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Antiquo
* PoMS Antiquo
* MPC Antiquo
* QSP Antiquo
* CTVG Antiquo

* CVA Antiquo

* MMA Antiquo
* LVT Uti rogas

* TGP Antiquo

 

 

===Item I.V===
In the event that a minor has parents as members of Nova Roma does the Senate endorse minors seeking and receiving the benefits of mentors/patrons in an effort to be better acquainted into Nova Roman Society.  The clear distinction is that the mentor/patron has no potestas over the minor - Potestas reside with the parents of the minor?




===Results===
Uti rogas: 8
Antiquo: 9
Abstineo: 0

Item I.V: FAILED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo “This falls in the sole competence of the minor parents that are free to seek mentors or patrons for their children as they seem fit. I don't see how the state has anything to do with it unless the parents asked help to the state on the matter.”
* PACP Antiquo “It’s useless”.
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Antiquo
* QFM Antiquo

* CnIC Antiquo
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas “only for symbolic position without decision right until 18 yo. It's a form of training, not different from item 4 idea.”
* CMC Uti rogas
* PoMS Antiquo
* MPC Uti rogas “I would like to see the best possible Latin term applied to this role but we should permit minors to have instructors or advisers who would, with parental consent, help the minors to find theirplace in Nova Roma.
* QSP Antiquo
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Uti rogas

* MMA Antiquo
* LVT Uti rogas “So long as the position is an “honorary-in-training” one”.

* TGP Antiquo

 

 

===Item I.VI===
Any minor under the age of 16 must wait until 16 years of age before they can petition to join the official Fora of Nova Roma (the Main List), priestly training programs and to request to serve as apparitores?




===Results===
Uti rogas: 10
Antiquo: 7
Abstineo: 0

Item I.VI: PASSED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Antiquo “Considering my votes on the above sub items the logical vote is against.
* PACP Uti rogas
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Uti rogas “Yes as long as some form of Parental Consent is involved.  Also we should have a proper Latin name for such a title”.
* QFM Uti rogas

* CnIC Antiquo “As the motion does not say that such an application has the consent of the parent/tutor, then I cannot support it”.
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Antiquo
* PoMS Uti rogas
* MPC Uti rogas “Most of these activities should not be permitted for minors at all but if the Senate permits any of these activities then the minimum age should be set at 16 years old”.

* QSP Antiquo
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Antiquo

* MMA Antiquo
* LVT Uti rogas

* TGP Antiquo

 

 

===Item I.VII===
Does the Senate approve the adoption of the PARENTAL CONSENT FOR MINOR'S PARTICIPATION AND HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT?




===Results===
Uti rogas: 14
Antiquo: 1
Abstineo: 0

Item I.VII: PASSED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Uti rogas “ I’m not a legal expertise but it seems to cover all important aspects.”
* PACP NO VOTE
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Uti rogas
* QFM Uti rogas

* CnIC Uti rogas
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Antiquo “The clauses and conditions are well written but I do not agree that minors should be accepted.”
* PoMS NO VOTE
* MPC Uti rogas

* QSP Uti rogas
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Uti rogas

* MMA Uti rogas
* LVT Uti rogas

* TGP Uti rogas

 

 

===Item II===
Constitutional Change - Since this item has passed the Comitia Centuriata it now comes to the Senate for Ratification.  2/3 of the entire senate needs to vote in the affirmative for this item to pass




===Results===
Uti rogas: 17
Antiquo: 0
Abstineo: 0

Item II: PASSED

===Votes and discussions===
* CAC Uti rogas
* PACP Uti rogas
* LCSF Uti rogas
* SCVIA Uti rogas
* QFM Uti rogas

* CnIC Uti rogas
* DeIPI Uti rogas
* TIS Uti rogas
* CMC Uti rogas
* PoMS Uti rogas
* MPC Uti rogas

* QSP Uti rogas
* CTVG Uti rogas

* CVA Uti rogas

* MMA Uti rogas
* LVT Uti rogas

* TGP Uti rogas


Valete,


Lucius Ulpius Atellus

Tribunus Plebis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92641 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Hadrianus Figulo omnibusque in for S.P.D.

I checked the list of included authors of my dictionaries and found that one does not consider the Vulgata as a valid source (last author included is Vitruvius). The other (two tomes) lists the Vulgata, but limited to the version approved by Saint Jerome (fourth/fifth century), which put us kind of out of classical Latin and into ecclesiastic Latin.  

Vale et valete optime.
ALH


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:25 PM, A. Vergilius Figulus <jeremiah@...  
A. Vergilius Figulus A. Liburnio Hadriano aliisque s.p.d.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92642 From: A. Vergilius Figulus Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Vergilius Figulus A. Liburnio Hadriano omnibusque s.p.d.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92643 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

TM.Quadra Salutem plurimam dicit,
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
To boldly go where no man has gone before
 
Literally:
Ad        eundum            quo      nemo    ante      iit
The       go                    where   no-one  before   he-went
 
Which Latin word or letters represents “boldly”?

ATS:  There isn't any--and this translation Needs Improvement.  

Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé(te)! 



On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:46 AM, "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


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Title:   Latin phrase of the day
 
Date:   Wednesday January 8, 2014
Time:   12:00 am - 1:00 am (GMT+01.00) Paris
Notes:   Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit - To boldly go where no man has gone before
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92644 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Canino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

ATS:  While it is very true that languages rarely have a one-to-one, word-for-word correspondence with one another, and that idioms which make no sense if literally translated are quite common, still one may make some assumptions about translations.  It is not always, or only, the thought which should be translated; it is the words which convey that thought.  Latin endings are extremely important in translation--and so are those in Greek and Sanskrit, with a good likelihood that those in the Slavic languages and those in German also convey elements of the meaning of a word or sentence.  There are other morphemes, too, which carry meaning.  Latin has a nice set of them.  I expect that many languages do.  

Nice as Latin endings are, however, none of them carries the meaning 'boldly.'  That requires a separate word.   

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language.

ATS:  Oh, I think we could dredge something up.  


Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed.

ATS:  Well, here, Canine, you are off the mark.  The gerundive often conveys the notion of obligation or necessity, but it does not always do that.  Often enough it simply is an adjective, used in place of the gerund when the gerund would have an object in the accusative.  The Latin phrase 'de libris legendis' may mean 'concerning books which must be read' or 'concerning reading books.'  If we use the gerund, legendo, the object would be in the accusative, de libros legendo, and that is bad Latin.  

This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

ATS:  Well, here we really do need that word 'boldly;' there is nothing in the gerundive which implies boldness.  

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

ATS:  Methinks 'ire quo nemo antea iit / ivit' is better.  'Ad eundum' means, if anything, 'in order to go.'  
'ire,' the infinitive, also functions as the nominative of the gerund. 

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus

Valete.   
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92645 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano S.P.D. 

 

A. Liburnius HadrianusTriario omnibusque in foro S.D.

The following quotation was mine, with suggestions by our Magistra:

Haec sunt itinera astronavis Enterprise (vel Inceptum).
Suum quinquenne mandatum: ut miros novos mundos exploret, novas vitas novasque civitates ( vel civilizationes)  quaerat
et audacter eat quo nemo antea iit (vel audacter iens quo nemo antea iit).

Since I do not copyright anything anybody can use any portion or all of it at his/her risk. 
Audacter/Audaciter = boldly
vel = or. Do I really need to translate all of it to English???

ATS:  Only if there are some troglodytes here who are unfamiliar with the mission of the Enterprise.  

Vale et valete optime
ALH

Vale!  



On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:55 AM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...
Salvete omnes,

Does anyone have the Latin quote for: "Set phasers for stun"? 


Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language. Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed. This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92646 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salvete omnes,

Just remember that all these problems with translations could only be related to one specific reason...

It's Sulla's fault. 


Vale Censor et valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:11 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <flavia@...
 
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Canino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Caninus Quadrae salutem dicit:

You may be trying to approach this too literally. Keep in mind that there is very often __NOT__ a one-to-one correspondence between the words of a sentence in one language when compared to the same sentence in another language. The thought or concepts are what need to be translated rather than an actual word-for-word expression. This is especially important when native English speakers work with a highly inflected language like Latin since the ending of the words can affect the thought that is being expressed. Also, there are idiomatic expressions, like 'more than one way to skin a cat' - when we use that expression in English, we are not actually talking about grabbing a domestic feline and removing the skin, we are talking about performing tasks or activities that have nothing to do with cats.

ATS:  While it is very true that languages rarely have a one-to-one, word-for-word correspondence with one another, and that idioms which make no sense if literally translated are quite common, still one may make some assumptions about translations.  It is not always, or only, the thought which should be translated; it is the words which convey that thought.  Latin endings are extremely important in translation--and so are those in Greek and Sanskrit, with a good likelihood that those in the Slavic languages and those in German also convey elements of the meaning of a word or sentence.  There are other morphemes, too, which carry meaning.  Latin has a nice set of them.  I expect that many languages do.  

Nice as Latin endings are, however, none of them carries the meaning 'boldly.'  That requires a separate word.   

A good example of the problem of trying to do a literal word-for-word translation is the use of eundum in this Latin phrase. The word eundum does not mean simply 'go' rather it is a gerundive, specifically a future passive participle, that has no direct equivalent in the English language.

ATS:  Oh, I think we could dredge something up.  


Sure, if you use some form of machine translation, a machine will translate eundum as 'go' but this is not an adequate translation. The word eundum implies a necessity, a driving force for future advancement, to be driven to proceed.

ATS:  Well, here, Canine, you are off the mark.  The gerundive often conveys the notion of obligation or necessity, but it does not always do that.  Often enough it simply is an adjective, used in place of the gerund when the gerund would have an object in the accusative.  The Latin phrase 'de libris legendis' may mean 'concerning books which must be read' or 'concerning reading books.'  If we use the gerund, legendo, the object would be in the accusative, de libros legendo, and that is bad Latin.  

This is why you cannot find an equivalent word for 'boldly' in the Latin phrase. One way to translate ad eundum is 'to boldly go'. Another thought might be that one is compelled to proceed and advance.

ATS:  Well, here we really do need that word 'boldly;' there is nothing in the gerundive which implies boldness.  

The bottom line is if you ask five Latinists to translate 'To boldly go where no man has gone before' from English into Latin, you might find one or more of them say 'ad eundum quo nemo ante iit' but you may also get one or two other different translations. There are several ways to skin a cat in when translating between Latin and English. 

So, if we abandon the idea of translating word-for-word and instead concentrate on translating the thoughts from Latin back into the original English:

Ad  eundum quo  -  To boldly go where 

nemo                 - no man

ante iit               - has gone before

ATS:  Methinks 'ire quo nemo antea iit / ivit' is better.  'Ad eundum' means, if anything, 'in order to go.'  
'ire,' the infinitive, also functions as the nominative of the gerund. 

Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus

Valete.   
 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92647 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Vergilio Figulo fortissimo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

ATS:  The standard translation of James is indeed 'Jacobus,' with a long, accented o and a nice second declension ending.  Morietur is future tense, however ('he will die;' moriturus is more like 'he is going to die')…mortuus est is correct if one means 's/he is dead.' There is some overlap in meaning with the passive participle plus a form of esse and the perfect passive of the Latin verb. See Wheelock Lesson 19 for the latter.  

He who is in the GLL while in his first year of living Latin will soon learn many, many things...



Vale et Valete!

A. Vergilius Figulus

Vale(te).  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92648 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Cassio Atello quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

Salve Marci Quadra et omnes,

It seems that this phrase is not good Latin.

ATS:  Indeed it is not.  


I know that this translation is at least incomplete: The word for 'boldly' appears nowhere in it.


ATS:  Fo' sho'  It is missing.  

Furthermore, my suspicions that it's bad Latin were confirmed when I entered the phrase in Google Translate, and this exact phrase was produced.


ATS:  If Google Translate spits out something as a translation of Latin, or into Latin, you may rest assured that it is abominable.  Now I hear that this system does okay with Spanish, but Spanish lost her declensions.  So did English, which once had a nice set of them back in the day.  Nice Germanic ones, with four cases...

In short, we need a new translation.


ATS:  So it seems.  



I'm thinking something close to this: "Audenter procedere ubi antea nemo procedit."


ATS:  'Procedit' is present tense, however, whereas we should have the perfect:  processit.  This verb also has a stronger significance than the simple 'go' in the original, more like 'advance, proceed.'  That is not far off base, but carries some extra freight that the original English does not.  'Audacter' or 'fortiter' must be there, however.  The former can carry a sense of rashness one might not intend, although the first set of OLD definitions is fine.  'Audenter' is also good, with the same caveat.    



Vale.


Vale(te).  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92649 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano S.P.D. 

 

Salvete Canine, omnesque

I second the motion... Can't wait to hear Latin with a Klingon accent...8-)

ATS:  LOL!  I second the motion!  Latin should be the language not only of Star Fleet, but of a certain organization…probably, though, Gene R et al. couldn't get Mr. Shatner to learn Latin…never mind the others.  I would like to see Worf speaking Latin...

Valete optine
ALH

Valete.  


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:45 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...
Salvete!

I believe a new YouTube web series may be developing here for a premiere in 2015. Perhaps Latin, rather than English, should be the lingua franca of Star Fleet. 

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92650 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-08
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Salvete Omnes!

 

Um, don’t underestimate Worf!  Besides, I’d be willing to bet that Leonard Nimoy already is at least conversant with Latin, and probably with Hebrew, as well.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca            

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92651 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae S.P.D. 

 

Salvete Omnes!

 

Um, don’t underestimate Worf! 


ATS:  Oh, I don't!  He doesn't seem dumb!  Hard to talk at all with all that makeup on, though.  

Besides, I’d be willing to bet that Leonard Nimoy already is at least conversant with Latin, and probably with Hebrew, as well.


ATS:  Almost certainly Hebrew, and likely Vulcan…maybe Latin.  

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca   


Vale bene!  

         

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92652 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am

Avete,

Indeed, Leonard Nimoy is a fluent Hebrew speaker--Yiddish too! A very intelligent and accomplished man, to say the least.

Valete.

Ti. Cassius Atellus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92653 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
I seem to remember seeing a clip of him praying in Hebrew - I'll see if I can dig it up.

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92654 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Wisdom of the Ages
Salve, omnes.

Here is my own Latin translation of a saying I found online:

"Si demersus es, in praeteritis vivis.
Si sollicitus es, in futuris vivis.
Si pacem habes, in praesente vivis."
- Lao Tzu

...And the English from which I translated it:

"If you are depressed, you are living in the past.
If you are anxious, you are living in the future.
If you are at peace, you are living in the present."

Valete bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92655 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Gratias Marcus Pompeius Caninus ago.
Your explain & guide helpus (helped).
I got further guide from this link: http://www.mythfolklore.net/medieval_latin/grammar/futurepassive.htm
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
 


On Thursday, January 9, 2014 3:49 PM, "ti.cassius.atellus@..." <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Avete,

Indeed, Leonard Nimoy is a fluent Hebrew speaker--Yiddish too! A very intelligent and accomplished man, to say the least.

Valete.

Ti. Cassius Atellus



---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <fororom@...
Salvete Omnes!
 
Um, don’t underestimate Worf! 

ATS:  Oh, I don't!  He doesn't seem dumb!  Hard to talk at all with all that makeup on, though.  

Besides, I’d be willing to bet that Leonard Nimoy already is at least conversant with Latin, and probably with Hebrew, as well.

ATS:  Almost certainly Hebrew, and likely Vulcan…maybe Latin.  
 
Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca   

Vale bene!  
         


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92656 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Latin phrase of the day, 1/8/2014, 12:00 am
Salve,
I first look to today's Latin speaking masters; then I look to ecclesiastical texts for guide & translation - these especially if I'm developing an official motto. And I've recently been advised to seek the general idea in translating from English to Latin. Obviously, Latin is pliable (perhaps not quite exact; early development - ancient;).

TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO MAN (Capt. Kirk - he's 82 y.o! one of my role models for aging well) HAS GONE BEFORE*:)) laughing
Here's my findings of your interpretation.
Audenter procedere ubi antea nemo procedit
I boldly go where no one had come

Audenter - bold
procedere - go
ubi - where
antea - before
nemo  - no
procedit - proceeds


On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:19 AM, "ti.cassius.atellus@..." <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Salve Marci Quadra et omnes,

It seems that this phrase is not good Latin. I know that this translation is at least incomplete: The word for 'boldly' appears nowhere in it. Furthermore, my suspicions that it's bad Latin were confirmed when I entered the phrase in Google Translate, and this exact phrase was produced. In short, we need a new translation.

I'm thinking something close to this: "Audenter procedere ubi antea nemo procedit."

Vale.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92657 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: Wisdom of the Ages
TM.Quadra Ti.C.Atellus salutem plurimam dicit,
Quod est excellens proverbio.
That is an excellent proverb.
Gratia,
Thanks


On Thursday, January 9, 2014 5:29 PM, "ti.cassius.atellus@..." <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Salve, omnes.

Here is my own Latin translation of a saying I found online:

"Si demersus es, in praeteritis vivis.
Si sollicitus es, in futuris vivis.
Si pacem habes, in praesente vivis."
- Lao Tzu

...And the English from which I translated it:

"If you are depressed, you are living in the past.
If you are anxious, you are living in the future.
If you are at peace, you are living in the present."

Valete bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92658 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Call for Governors
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Consul Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Ex Officio:

In an effort of advance planning for the month of Feburary for the annual proroguing of Governors.

This a call for all Governors currently prorogued to declare their desire to either remain Governor or to  retire the position.

This is also a call for Governors for the following  Vacant Provincia's:

North America:

1.  America Cismississippiasna (U.S.A. Illinois & Indiana)
2. America Gallica (U.S.A. Arksanas & Lousiana)
3.  America Hispanica (U.S.A. New Mexico & Colorado)
4.  America Mississippiensis (U.S.A. Mississippi & Alabama)
5. America Missuriensis (U.S.A. Iowa & Missouri)
6. America Montana (U.S.A. Montana & Wyoming)
7.  America Noveboracensis (U.S.A. New York & New Jersey)
8.  America Oregonensis (U.S.A. Idaho, Oregon, & Washington)
9. America Texia  (U.S.A. Texas & Oklahoma)
10. America Transapplachiana (Tennessee & Kentucky)
11.  California Franciscensis (U.S.A. California, north of Paso Robles and Delano)
12. Carolina (U.S.A. North & South Carolina)
13. Columbia (U.S.A. Maryland & District of Columbia)
14.   Dacota (U.S.A. North & South Dakota)
15.  Lacus Magni (U.S.A. Wisconsin & Michigan)
16.  Mediatlantica (U.S.A. Pennsylvania & Delaware)
17.  Minnesota (U.S.A. Minnesota)
18. Ohio (U.S.A. Ohio)
19. Virginia (U.S.A. Virginia)


Central America (MesoAmerica):

1. Nova Hispania (United Mexican States, Belize, Republics of Guatemala, Honduras, el Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, & Panama)

Europe:

1.  Thule ( Rep. of Iceland, Kingdoms of Norway, Sweden, Demark, & Rep. of Finland)


Asia:

1.  Guria (South Korea)
2. Nipponia (Empire of Japan)


Australia:
1. Commonwealth of Australia & New Zealand


Requirements:
For those seeking to become first time Governors:  Please make sure you fulfuill the requirements of the Lex Cornelia de cursu honorum before applying  please see attached link address.


Addendum:  For Incumbent Governors please also include a provincial report of the activities so far accomplished of your tenure within the last year (or time tenured).  It can be a paragraph or two does not have to be a whole novel.  If there was no activity please include that so that feedback can be gathered for upcoming Provincial reform.  Submitting a single paragraphed report is not being counted against any Governor. You may also include some ideas you think would good to implement within your province (reasonable, sound, and logical ideas only).

Governors and those interested: Please contact myself at the  e-mail address syrenslullaby AT gmail.com and CC my colleague C. Aemilius Crassus at the following e-mail address c.aemilius.crassusATgmail.com   Subject Header: " Governorship"

I would like to have Governor Inquiries submitted by January 29, 2014  by Midnight (Arizona time)     I will make sure to try and have this posted to our FB forum also for I know some Governors linger there as well.

Thank you for your time and attention in this matter.  I know this post is a bit lengthy.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia
Consul








Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92659 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germanic
Avete, omnes.

I am looking to reach my governor, proconsul Tullius Valerianus, and have been unable to establish contact with him over the last few months. If you can verify his current status, please let me know.

Any info would be appreciated.

Valete.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92660 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germ
Salve Atellus (Cassi) et Salvete Omnes,

I have forwarded your post to Valerianus in hopes of him receiving it.  Are you also on our provincial list?

So keep an eye on your inbox in the days to come.




Vale bene,
Aeternia (another cive from the provincia America Deserta)




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92661 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Upcoming Event - Florida
Salvete Omnes,


a.d. XIII Kal. Mar MMDCCLXVII a.u.c (19 Mar 2014), Gulf Coast Society is hosting a celebration for the Quinquatria the ancient Roman festival dedicated to Minerva, at the Cannon Greens on UWF’s campus. Historian Marie-Therese Champagne and Roman bioarchaeologist Kristina Killgrove are planning a fun day of events like mosaic-making, toga-wrapping, and Colosseum-building, interspersed with short talks about Roman food, toilets, burial practices, and religion. To end the day, classical art historian Kara Burns from the University of South Alabama will give a talk on the Roman domus (household).

Contact me if you might be there and we can meet up for a bit.

Valete,

L. Ulpius Atellus
Legatus Pro Praetore GAFL
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92662 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-09
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Points Bulletin - Status of C. Tullius Valerianus Germ
Salve, Aeternia.

Gratias tibi ago, amica.
I have been part of the America Austroccidentalis mailing group for quite a while, although I've been wondering if there's a new group for our reformed province. I will keep an eye out for any news regarding this and other matters relating to our province.


Vale bene!


Ti. Cassius Atellus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92663 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

This message is to serve as notice that the Senate of Nova Roma has
been convened by L Cornelius Sulla Felix, as acting Princeps Senatus.

The items to be considered are:

I. Removal of C Petronius Dexter as Pontifex Maximus and as Pontifex,
and banishment of the same
II. Removal of contempt from T Iulius Sabinus, appointment of the
same as Pontifex Maximus and order to summon the Comitia Curiata to
bestow imperium
III. Website migration and report on the Cista

[All items are for both debate and voting.]

The session has been convened and opened at 05:00 08 January, at which
time the debate period commenced. The debate period is scheduled to
end at 05:00 15 January, at which time voting is scheduled to begin,
which is scheduled to end at 05:01 21 January. All times are expressed
as time in Rome (GMT +0100); all dates are 2767 AVC.


Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92664 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: OT: Bach works available free
Salvete omnes,

It is completely out of topic but I think some of you may appreciate it.

I'm downloading them now and don't know the recording quality but you can find the works of Bach in digital format and free in the following link:


Valete optime,
Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92665 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Salvete, omnibus in foro!

I am pleased to announce that I have opened a new office in Montreal that would be suitable for provincial meetings or other activities.  It is located on St. Catherine Street in Westmount, a short distance from Westmount Square, close to the Atwater Metro.

If at least three others (citizens, non-citizens, potential citizens) are interested, I would like to organize an evening class dedicated to practicing elementary Latin conversation based upon the Lingua Latina text.

If you wish to participate or if you have ideas for other regional or provincial activity, please contact me privately.

Valete!
C. Cl. Quadratus
Procurator, Canada Citerior


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92666 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Salve Quadratus et Salvete Omnes,

This is wonderful Quadrate!  Congrats and may it be a success!

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92667 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: OT: Bach works available free

Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

 

Gratias tibi ago, Crasse!  Thank you very much, Crassus!  I’ll be checking *this* out later today!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca, whose cloudy day just got made a bit brighter!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92668 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] OT: Bach works available free
Salve Crassus,

Absolutely, you made my day with these recordings!  And the venue pics on the individual pages are great as well. 


Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:40 AM, Aemilius Crassus <c.aemilius.crassus@...  
Salvete omnes,

It is completely out of topic but I think some of you may appreciate it.

I'm downloading them now and don't know the recording quality but you can find the works of Bach in digital format and free in the following link:


Valete optime,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92669 From: cassiustiberius Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Salve omnes!

First i should like to state that this is the first post i have ever made here, and am not sure if i am posting in the right section. I may be wrong also but i cannot see that anyone else has posted about it yet so i thought id let you all know.


One of my very good friends sent me a link to a trailer of a new film that comes out this year February 21st about the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, The quality looks good, although im sure the story of the main characters is likely fictional. Nonetheless, the effects and CGI look incredible and it seems to me to portray a rather striking image of what it must have been like to have been there. 
Hope this was useful.
Below is a link to youtube where i saw the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsF99ccWpEQ

Vale omnes and happy watching!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92670 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Salve Cassius Tiberius
 
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the link. Looks good. Can't wait to see it.
 
Vale
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Tribune et Senator
 

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cassiustiberius@...
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New film out this year (Pompeii)

 
Salve omnes!

First i should like to state that this is the first post i have ever made here, and am not sure if i am posting in the right section. I may be wrong also but i cannot see that anyone else has posted about it yet so i thought id let you all know.



One of my very good friends sent me a link to a trailer of a new film that comes out this year February 21st about the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, The quality looks good, although im sure the story of the main characters is likely fictional. Nonetheless, the effects and CGI look incredible and it seems to me to portray a rather striking image of what it must have been like to have been there. 
Hope this was useful.
Below is a link to youtube where i saw the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsF99ccWpEQ

Vale omnes and happy watching!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92671 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
SALVE ET SALVETE!

You are welcome!

Wow, I guess will be excellent movie. I already have not patience to wait the month of February.

Seeing who is the actor in the leading role, I can suppose that while looking to the Vesuvius' eruption he will say: "Winter is coming!".

VALETE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92672 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Ave,

Winter is here ;)

Sulla


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: iulius sabinus
Date:01/10/2014 12:56 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New film out this year (Pompeii)

 

SALVE ET SALVETE!

You are welcome!

Wow, I guess will be excellent movie. I already have not patience to wait the month of February.

Seeing who is the actor in the leading role, I can suppose that while looking to the Vesuvius' eruption he will say: "Winter is coming!".

VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92673 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
Salvete,

Kit Harrington of AGOT fame as the lead actor.  I am so going to see this and month before Season 4 of AGOT!

Great publicity maneuver.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92674 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] OT: Bach works available free

Salve Triari,

It is "only" the organ works but the sound of the ones I listen so far is very good.

Vale optime,
Crassus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92675 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: Latin phrase of the day., 1/11/2014, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo Group
 
Title:   Latin phrase of the day.
 
Date:   Saturday January 11, 2014
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
Notes:   Ab urbe condita - From the foundation of the city. (Rome)
 
Privacy | Terms
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92676 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-10
Subject: APB Needed for Caninus
Avete

I need to get in touch with Caninus...it is very important that I reach him.  Please get in contact with me as soon as possible.  

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92677 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: New film out this year (Pompeii)
TM.Quadra Salve Cassius Tiberius et Salutem plurimam dicit,
Welcome to Nova Roma! This online community really cares about all that is Rome. It has helped me grow my interest in Latin grammar, and to honor our leaders, Mars, etc.

Habeus bonum deus! (have a nice day)
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:50 AM, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...  
Salvete,

Kit Harrington of AGOT fame as the lead actor.  I am so going to see this and month before Season 4 of AGOT!

Great publicity maneuver.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:08 PM, <cassiustiberius@...


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92678 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Rome Total War Tournament
Salvete Omnes,


Is there any interest in RTW tournament?

Valete,
LVA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92679 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Ave,

I unfortunately do not own the game, but you should include the other lists like the FH and the BA to get the biggest reach of people. 

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92680 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament

Sadly, I can't even get the game to run. Probably for the best since I tend to be somewhere between bad and awful at most Real-Time Strategy games.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



From: koalmyner@... <koalmyner@... To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome Total War Tournament
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:41:42 AM

 

Salvete Omnes,


Is there any interest in RTW tournament?

Valete,
LVA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92681 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament

Salvete!

 

You might want to include the Facebook Nova Roma group as well, as that group’s activity has increased nicely.

 

Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92682 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament

I've never plated against anyone but the AI but I'm sure I'm right there with you...lol


Valete,

LVA

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92683 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Which one is BA?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92684 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: IRS Audit Successful Resolution
Avete Omnes,

I just received the letter confirming the conclusion of the IRS Audit.  It took forever to get here, but I will be scanning it and posting it in appropriate places.  

I just notified the Senate and am now notifying everyone else.  The IRS Audit is successfully resolved.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Ave,

Backalley@yahoogroups.com  You need to join it to post messages.

Respectfully, 

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92686 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament
Salve Atellus!
 
I think Lentulus is currently running one or getting ready for the next phase of the Tourney. Might want to check with him. My son has it, but I've never played it.

Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:42 PM, "koalmyner@..." <koalmyner@...
 
Salvete Omnes,

Is there any interest in RTW tournament?

Valete,
LVA


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92687 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Fw: Teachers & Parents: Latin Learning Workshop in NYC
 
Avete!
 
Great org and website, so check it out, especially the book section.

Vale,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


On Friday, January 10, 2014 11:51 AM, Ascanius: The Youth Classics Institute <info@...
     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92688 From: l_ulpius_atellus Date: 2014-01-11
Subject: Re: Rome Total War Tournament

Salve!


Will do. I'm sure he will make some type of announcement as well.


Vale

LVA

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92689 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: IRS Audit Successful Resolution
Ave,

Huzzah! Another success, and one less huge thing to worry about.

Vale!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92690 From: jirirys Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Really office of Nova Roma in Canada? Its so wonderful !!!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Aedilis Plebis
Prafectus Civitatis Boihaemi
Nova Roma Pannonia




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92691 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: OT: Look what I found!
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I just found this, and even if they aren't teaching a course that would be
specific to our interests, they might, and besides, it looks really
interesting! Check it out, you might find something of interest.

https://www.futurelearn.com/sign-in

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92692 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior
Salve!

Thanks for the note.  I hope the citizens of Nova Gallia take advantage of this facility.  It's at a convenient location near public transportation.  I will be announcing some new activities in the near future.

Vale!

C. Cl. Quadratus
Procurator
Provincia Canada Citerior


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: jirirys@...
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 04:27:30 -0800
Subject: [Nova-Roma] RE: Activity Announcement - Nova Gallia, Canada Citerior

 
Really office of Nova Roma in Canada? Its so wonderful !!!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Aedilis Plebis
Prafectus Civitatis Boihaemi
Nova Roma Pannonia






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92693 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: OT: Look what I found!
Salve, Caeca.

This looks like a great program for me. I'll probably sign up for a course or two! Thanks for the suggestion.

Vale bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92694 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: OT: Look what I found!

Salve Cassii Atelle et Salvete Omnes!

 

Well, I’ve signed up for a course, we’ll see how it goes, but it looks like a great resource.  Happy to be of help J.

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92695 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened (Update)
Q Caecilius Metellus tr. pl. Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

Insofar as the session of the Senate previously reported has changed,
this message is to update the message included below.

The changes are as follows:

- the debate period has been extended, now to end at 05:00 of 20
January. The voting period is now, therefore, scheduled to begin at
05:01 of 21 January, and last through 05:01 of 27 January.

- an item has been added to the agenda; namely, a Senatus Consultum
Ultimum, appointing C Vipsanius Agrippa, M Cornelius Gualterus
Graecus, Cn Iulius Caesar, L Vitellius Triarius, M Pompeius Caninus,
and M Cornelius Felix as pontifices.

[As usual, all dates are for the current year; all times, that in Rome.]

Optime Valete.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Tribunus Plebis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 92696 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-12
Subject: Re: The Senate of Nova Roma Has Been Convened (Update)
Ave,

As far as I know there is no citizen named M. Cornelius Felix.  The update should be reflected accordingly.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix