Salvete Aeternia et omnes,

Thanks! Glad you approve of the MS page. Also, if there are citizens that have any type of social media venues related to NR that they would like to connect everyone with, please feel free to send me the link and we will get it posted to the page. This also includes any other venues that are not currently listed on the page. It is a growing work in process. 

Also, there was a citizen that mentioned back several months ago about a JustinTV channel for NR. I also think that this would be a great opportunity to proceed with, and especially when integrating it into to Lentulus proposal of contacting other Roman related groups.  The channel could continually run programming with recruitment and sponsorship commercials about NR between the programs. Plus, I haven't had experience with the software required (it's free from the site), but it does not seem that complicated.

AND NOW, to finish the rest of the post after smacking my new sensitive laptop for sending the message early...

If there is anyone who is interested in assisting with this, look over their site, then let me know:

www.justin.tv

Vale et valete,

L. VITELLIVS TRIARIVS

I have set up an alternative NR email until Yahoo can get mine back up and running. I would prefer everyone use the following, rather than the gmail account I posted yesterday:

vitelliantraders AT yahoo DOT com

Valete,

L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS

Doubt it.  He was the consul.

Cassius Atellus Sullae sal.

You are very, very right: Roma Antiqua was full of sin, vice, and debauchery. I've been acutely aware of this since I started studying those, our forebears. I have seen the lecherous frescoes, the crass graffiti; I've happened across Ovid's smutty poetry, I've read accounts of many a wacked-out, base, perverted leader of Rome, be they consuls, senators, or emperors. The Rome I know and love was not a spotless, rosy paradise of sherry and giggles. You are very right.

My point is not that I believe that we should emulate a false notion of what Rome was; I'm talking about continuing to employ the higher values they esteemed so greatly. Also, passion is not an issue. I understand the passion that went into the dealings of the Romans: They were a military nation! Most of those in power had either shed blood for the republic/empire, watched their friends and comrades die for it, or at least were willing to have people killed to either obtain or maintain their vision for Rome. Passion is not something I have a problem with. The main thing for me is that respect has kinda just gone out the window for most of this back-and-forth.

Ave

What is the best of ancient Rome is in the eye of the beholder.

Vale,

Sulla

Ave,

We are doing exactly that.

In Nova roma's past we had magisterial abuses.  The faction in power used their power to Silence their opponents from being able to speak and criticize.  Threaten to expel citizens.  Throw their "power" around with the similar intent of having lictors remove rods and axes to punish citizens. 

That is abuse.  That is what we should criticize.  That is what we should stop from ever happening again.  Citizens voicing opinions with passion, to the point of having meltdowns does not rise to the level of abuse.  The best thing we all can do is to remember....Remember and if that person runs for officr...remember. 

Those times of using imperium sticks to punish critics ended in the last civil war....it would do us well to remember just how bad the past really got in Nova roma.

Vale,

Sulla

My citizenship was dated March 1, 1998. :)

Ave,

That's true.  My application was surface mailed into the censors office  way back then.

Vale,

Sulla

Avete,

To idealize any culture always leads to disillusion.   Neither the Roman Republic nor the Roman Empire was populated by saints, nor were citizens all sinners.  To the contrary, both patrician and plebian included good and bad.   To that extent, Roman culture has much in common with most other cultures, ancient and modern.   As a culture, it reflected the foibles suffered by most.

I do find it interesting that Cicero is singled out as particularly offensive because he was a defense lawyer.   This bias has always struck me as a bit curious.   Lawyers, especially criminal defense lawyers, are often the object of derision, that is until an individual needs such services.  I have been a lawyer for over forty years, and consider it an honorable profession.   Early in my career, I had the honor of serving both as a prosecutor and defense attorney.   I make no apologies for my experiences, nor is any necessary.

Valete,

Petrus Augustinus 

Ave,

I picked on Marcus Tullis because it's an easy example.  It would be similar to a mafia attorney.  

Sure there are good lawyers and bad ones.  It's just the bad ones get better press.  Cicero illustrates that example.

I could have easily used josepheus as an example.  While his work is invaluable...His life is well questionable.  Ask just about any jew about him and one of the adjectives that will be used to describe him is traitor.  His conduct as a leader in the revolt does don't display any noble virtue...If anything his conduct reminds me of a cockroach.   All self preservation.  Yet what he has left us with his work is priceless.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave,

Oh it's there.  Our senior consul responded to it.

It's in the foolishness thread.

He used a wide paint brush in that post.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Valete

Ti. Cassius Atellus

Ave Sulla,

One thing that is abundantly apparent to me is that none of this talk about decorum and honorable conduct is challenging the points you were making. Not from me, not from Lentulus, and not from Valerianus. The whole basic idea here is that the attitudes and ways of speaking can (and should) be changed for the better, and yet the opinions and stances can remain the same. I think at least several of us are pretty well agreed on that.

Vale.

Ti. Cassius Atellus

Ave,

That's cool.  I just don't believe anyone has crossed the line to the point of needing improvement, unless it's ones own personal evaluation.

For me talk is cheap.  Always has been and always will.  What is always most important for me is the conduct of the person.  The dedication of the person.  The consistency of the person.  The drive and activity of the person.

Nova roma has lots of talkers.  That's good for what that is worth.  What nova roma needs are idea makers like Triarius, who despite bumps comes up with outside the box ideas....and movers of mountains like caesar.  Who as a talker is as blunt as a 2x4...but in action is a genius and there are very few, if any in nr!

I hope we all are in agreement.  :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave,

You had a meltdown...A moment of weakness...or a moment of honesty...or whatever you want to call it.   Your "I apologize IF you were offended" is not an apology in my book.  It's a cop out...A prevaracation. 
You know Lentulus, there is a saying that always pops in my head without fail when you post.  The saying is this "those that can....do.  Those that can't teach."

You teach.

You want to know why?  Because you cannot do.  You have no concept of organization.  You have no concept of management, resource management, strategic leadership, utilization of resources.  Let alone learning from history.

You complain about the recent government... one that you were apart of last year til I fired you...but you were there for about 11 months.  And in caeca ' s post she explained it as clear as day to you.  You obviously did not understand what she was trying to get across.  I don't know if that was intentional on your part, because I don't trust you...or if it's genuine lack of grasping of the big picture...either way it's a failing.

Since the civil war, nova roma's magistrates had to focus on rebuilding the foundation.  Just like during the first civil war when nova roma had its only dictator.   We, the magistrates had to learn the lessons that got us to the state of conflict and take action that we felt would not have us repeat it for the future.  This wasn't fun.  This was hard taxing work.  This wasn't attractive.  Trying to make it attractive would be the equivalent of putting make up on a pig!  It's still a pig! 

But this work had to be done....do you seriously forgot the malaise nova roma went through before I became consul?  Is your memory that short?  Let's refresh that forgetful memory....look at the activity on the ml from Cato  and venii ' s  consul ship to todays....see the growth there.  Why don't you review the number of votes I got when I became consul.  It was less than 50.  Yet the most votes cast last year was over 180!

Nova roma had to focus on the foundation before nova roma could start decorating the interior of the house!  You do at least have an idea of what it takes to build a house right?  Setting the foundation...adding the struts and framework...building the walls and rooms....adding the drywall...stucco...wiring...electrial..The roof....and once up to code then one can start working on the decorations, the paint...The fun stuff.

Seriously, I get so damn frustrated with you Lentulus because despite the fact that I don't trust you...and I think you know better....but you continuously waste your potential.  You want to do all the paint...All the fun and pretty stuff...because heaven forbid...it's hard work to do the important stuff....not to mention that stuff is boring.  Yet you fail to realize had it not been for the work that caesar did last year nova roma would be in another civil war right now.....and had it not been for me dealing with the audit nova roma would be all but dead because nr would not have its 501c3.   If it had not been for the past 3 years of consuls nova roma would have died from the general malaise that had set in.

You think your entitled to criticize us for our focus on the foundation.  I think your a fool.  We had nova roma's best interest at heart and did the work that nr desperately needed so that our current and future magistrates will be able to focus on some of those fun ideas now instead of having to continually deal with serious problem after problem.

Vale,

Sulla

Ave amice

I admit I'm my own worst enemy for the very reason you gave.  I'm an ass...but I'm rarely wrong.  I'd rather have that combination than having those reversed. 

I enjoy debating, arguing and beating a dead horse til it's bones are white.  But at the same time I am cimpromising, I'll bend as far as I can go to reach accommodation as long as it does not prevent action from occurring when I believe action is needed.

I do know I've toned down my bluntness...need proof look at my posts in late 2008 - 2010.  I was much more confrontational given that we were in the minority back then. 

I do give 110% of myself....and I believe this is why even when I was dead I was still a focus by tptb that governed nr until the civil war.

Like me or hate me, I'm still me...living up to my namesake doing the name proud. :)

Respectfully

Sulla