Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 29-31, 2014

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93048 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Lictor Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93049 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Weather on the East coast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93050 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Governors Needed (For the Following Provinces)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93051 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93052 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93053 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93054 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae (correct
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93055 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93056 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXVII.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93057 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Comitia Curiata: priesthood appointments & status elevation.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93058 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: It's too cold to go out, so ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93059 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] It's too cold to go out, so ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93060 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] It's too cold to go out, so ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93061 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Birthday wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93062 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93063 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXVII.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93064 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93065 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93066 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93067 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93068 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93069 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93070 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93071 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93072 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: a very nice experience
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93073 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93074 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93075 From: scipiosecond Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93076 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93077 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93078 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93079 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93080 From: Kirk Weaver Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93081 From: Appia Gratia Avita Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93082 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93083 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93085 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: On Civil Discourse
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93086 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93048 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Lictor Witness Statement
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, as a Lictor  of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as Consul maior, Gaius Aemilius Crassus as Consul minor, Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as Praetor maior, Marcus Pompeius Caninus as Praetor minor and Lucius Vitellius Triarius as Aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

The appointments of Aulus Apollonius Antullus as Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdos, Marcus Aemilius Agricola as Sacerdos Quirinalis, Gaius Decius Laterensis as Sacerdos Martialis, Gaius Claudius Quadratus as Augur, Marcus Aelius Geminus as Sacerdos Mercuri and Titus Iulius Nix as Fetialis.

I approve the status elevation of Gaius Decius Laterensis, his current or future own family, from plebeian to patrician.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of  the Religio Romana.

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Lictor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93049 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Weather on the East coast
Salvete Omnes,

I too echo the sentiments with that of Crispus.  To all on the Eastern Coasts please keep warm and safe during this most unusual weather.  Stay inside and bring your pets in as well.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93050 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-01-29
Subject: Governors Needed (For the Following Provinces)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Consul Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Greetings.  There are still some Provinces left that are in need of Governors.  The cut-off time is being extended by an additional week so that  some Candidates may step forward.  Please e-mail me at the following e-mail address: syrenslullabyATgmail.com and CC my colleague c.aemilius.crassusATgmail.com subject header: "Governorship".  Also I strongly encourage everyone to read the contents of this e-mail fully.

Thank you for your time and attention in this matter.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

North America:

1.  America Cismississippiana (U.S.A. Illinois & Indiana)
2. America Gallica (U.S.A. Arksanas & Lousiana)
3.  America Mississippiensis (U.S.A. Mississippi & Alabama)
4. America Missuriensis (U.S.A. Iowa & Missouri)
5. America Montana (U.S.A. Montana & Wyoming)
6.  America Noveboracensis (U.S.A. New York & New Jersey)
7.  America Oregonensis (U.S.A. Idaho, Oregon, & Washington)
8.  California Franciscensis (U.S.A. California, north of Paso Robles and Delano)
9. Carolina (U.S.A. North & South Carolina)
10.   Dacota (U.S.A. North & South Dakota)
11.  Lacus Magni (U.S.A. Wisconsin & Michigan)
12.  Mediatlantica (U.S.A. Pennsylvania & Delaware)
13.  Minnesota (U.S.A. Minnesota)
14  Virginia (U.S.A. Virginia)


Central America (MesoAmerica):

1. Nova Hispania (United Mexican States, Belize, Republics of Guatemala, Honduras, el Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, & Panama)


South America:
1. Argentina

Europe:

1.  Thule ( Rep. of Iceland, Kingdoms of Norway, Sweden, Demark, & Rep. of Finland)


Asia:

1.  Guria (South Korea)
2. Nipponia (Empire of Japan)


Australia:
1. Commonwealth of Australia & New Zealand


Requirements:
For those seeking to become first time Governors:  Please make sure you fulfuill the requirements of the Lex Cornelia de cursu honorum before applying  please see attached link address.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93051 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
I,Gaius Aemilius Crassus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as Consul maior, Gaius Aemilius Crassus as Consul minor, Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as Praetor maior, Marcus Pompeius Caninus as Praetor minor and Lucius Vitellius Triarius as Aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

The appointments of Aulus Apollonius Antullus as Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdos, Marcus Aemilius Agricola as Sacerdos Quirinalis, Gaius Decius Laterensis as Sacerdos Martialis, Gaius Claudius Quadratus as Augur, Marcus Aelius Geminus as Sacerdos Mercuri and Titus Iulius Nix as Fetialis.

Approval/Rejection of the status elevation of Gaius Decius Laterensis, his current or future own family, from plebeian to patrician.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of  the Religio Romana.


C. Aemilius Crassus
Lictor
a.d. III Kal. Feb.2767 AVC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93052 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
SALVE!

"Approval/Rejection of the status elevation of Gaius Decius Laterensis..."

You need to choose one: approve or reject.

VALE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93053 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
Salve Sabine,

My apologies for the laps, I will correctly right away.

Vale optime,
Crassus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93054 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae (correct
I,Gaius Aemilius Crassus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as Consul maior, Gaius Aemilius Crassus as Consul minor, Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as Praetor maior, Marcus Pompeius Caninus as Praetor minor and Lucius Vitellius Triarius as Aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

The appointments of Aulus Apollonius Antullus as Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdos, Marcus Aemilius Agricola as Sacerdos Quirinalis, Gaius Decius Laterensis as Sacerdos Martialis, Gaius Claudius Quadratus as Augur, Marcus Aelius Geminus as Sacerdos Mercuri and Titus Iulius Nix as Fetialis.

Approval of the status elevation of Gaius Decius Laterensis, his current or future own family, from plebeian to patrician.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of  the Religio Romana.


C. Aemilius Crassus
Lictor
a.d. III Kal. Feb.2767 AVC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93055 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Witness statement of C. Aemilius Crassus Lictor Novae Romae
correctly = correct it.

Sigh, ok where is the coffee machine...

Vale,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93056 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXVII.

T. Iulius Sabinus, acting Pontifex Maximus et lictrices et lictores salutem omnibus quiritibus plurimam dicunt:

Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXVII:

We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, recognize and accept the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata for consules and praetores and the election in the Comitia Populi Tributa for the aedilis curulis.

By this lex de imperio MMDCCLXVII as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio:

"2. IMPERIUM In Nova Roma, we understand Imperium as: A. Having all the rights of potestas, as described below. POTESTAS A. Ius coercendi minor, the power to compel obedience in the name of the state, within the duties of the magistrate. B. Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes. C. Partial iurisdictio, the power to interpret the law within the duties of the magistrate holding the Potestas. D. Ius contionis habendae, the power to hold a contio, including a question in a Comitia already called by a magistrate. The question must be included by the magistrate who called the comitia under the official authority of the magistrate holding the ius contionis habendae. B. Ius agendi cum populo, calling the People to vote in any of their legislative Comitia. C. Ius agendi cum senatu, calling to Senate to vote or placing a proposed senatus consultum on the Senate agenda. D. Ius coercendi maior, the power to compel obedience using major force, on all Nova Roma subjects. In Nova Roma, this explicitly excludes physical force, and includes the force of law. E. Full iurisdictio, the power to interpret the law, on all levels on all Nova Roma subjects."

we confer imperium upon these magistrates :

  • Statia Cornelia Valeriana Juliana Aeternia as consul maior,
  • Gaius Aemilius Crassus as consul minor,
  • Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as praetor maior,
  • Marcus Pompeius Caninus as praetor minor,
  • Lucius Vitellius Triarius as aedilis curulis.

Attested by the following lictrices and lictors of Nova Roma:

  • L. Cornelius Felix
  • Helena Galeria Aureliana
  • C. Marcius Crispus
  • C. Tullius Valerius Germanicus
  • Cn. Iulius Caesar
  • C. Aemilius Crassus

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

Given under our hands, a.d III Kal. Feb, St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos. MMDCCLXVII a.U.c ( 30th of January  2014)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93057 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Comitia Curiata: priesthood appointments & status elevation.
T. Iulius Sabinus, acting Pontifex Maximus et lictrices et lictores salutem omnibus quiritibus plurimam dicunt:

We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma witness:

A. The appointments of:
  • Gaius Claudius Quadratus as Augur, 
  • Aulus Apollonius Antullus as Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdos, 
  • Marcus Aemilius Agricola as Sacerdos Quirinalis, 
  • Gaius Decius Laterensis as Sacerdos Martialis, 
  • Marcus Aelius Geminus as Sacerdos Mercuri,
  • Titus Iulius Nix as Fetialis.
B. Approval of the status elevation of:
  • Gaius Decius Laterensis, his current or future own family, from plebeian to patrician.

Attested by the following lictrices and lictors of Nova Roma:

  • L. Cornelius Felix
  • Helena Galeria Aureliana
  • C. Marcius Crispus
  • C. Tullius Valerius Germanicus
  • Cn. Iulius Caesar
  • C. Aemilius Crassus

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

A.d III Kal. Feb, St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos. MMDCCLXVII a.U.c ( 30th of January  2014)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93058 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: It's too cold to go out, so ...
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

This virtual tour of the Aura Passas in pretty impressive, and you can take
it and stay warm!

http://tourvirtuale.arapacis.it/

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca, who hasn't been warm in about a week!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93059 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] It's too cold to go out, so ...
Salve Caecae!

You are always welcome in my home. In Bethel we have had five days in a row of breaking the high temperature record. January has brought 20 days that were above freezing. I am sure that will all change soon. The weather will go back to its usual winter routine in our part of Alaska. But right now it seems more like May than January for us. 

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93060 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] It's too cold to go out, so ...

Salve Canine!

 

I’d accept your offer, but, as I understand it, our interstates are skating rinks, and “free” parking lots at the moment.  But I do suggest you buy up lots of undeveloped real estate .. looks like Alaska may become the “fun in the sun” resort of preference, soon, so you’ll want to get in on the ground floor!  Of course …you know how speculating on the weather works, and you could end up with lots and lots of ice to sell!

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93061 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Birthday wishes!
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

It would seem that happy Birthday wishes are in order for Livia Drusilla,
wife of Augustus, and first empress of Rome. I always mess up this phrase
in Latin and get it all tangled up with the same phrase in Spanish, so, lest
I inflict Spatin on the group, I'll just wish Livia a very happy birthday
and leave it at that.

Well, no, actually, I won't. There are many views of Livia, from dutiful,
wise, trusted and loving wife to ...well, female evil incarnate. I guess it
depends on who you read ...and whether or not you've watched I, Claudius.
One thing on which all seem to agree, though, is that she was a very strong
and determined lady.

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93062 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
Avete Omnes,

Beginning on Feb 1st, I am going to temporarily close the Comitia Centuriata.  The reason for this closure is to take sufficient time to make sure that the Comitia is in compliance with the Lex Cornelia de Clasibus et Ordine Equestri.  

I have notified the Consuls of this and I estimate that it will take about a month to ensure that all the citizens are moved and adjusted to the correct Class and Century.

Please keep in mind that this will be done with the details listed in the Details section of the Album Civium.  It is up to you, each citizens to ensure that you are properly credited with the offices you have served.

This will be a multi phase project:

1.  Bringing everyone from centuries 32-51 into the correct classes since the Comitia Centuriata has been reduced to 31 Centuries.

2.  Ensuring that the tax payers are in the proper class and centuries

3.  Implementing the Ordo Equestro portion of the lex.

With the transparent nature of the law, anyone will be able to confirm that they are in the correct class and Century using the tools in the Album Civium.

While this project is ongoing, I hope and request my colleague to carry on with the approval of citizenship applications.  I expect to have this project completed by the End of February.

Thank you for your time and if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93063 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXVII.

C. Petronius T. Sabino salutem,


What a pity... but it is done.


Optime vale.


--
C. Petronius Dexter

Pontifex Maximus

Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Kalendas Februarias MMDCCLXVII

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93064 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,

you failed to do your constitutional duty fore more time than me.

For one whole year and more (Lol!) as consul sine collega.. is it absolutely unconstitutional.

But as you are a tyrant and as the Senate kiss your derriere you may enact a SCU completely unfair.

I know who you are, some said me how you need a crane to go up two stairs, as a victim of Mc Donald... poor Sulla.

But now by your SCU you make me free, free of speech as not being more hold by a religious posture. Now I shall make the demonstration of your tyranny to our fellow people.


Optime vale.


CPD.

Arcoiali scribebat 

PM

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93065 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Ave Dexter,

Aww Dexter you always make me laugh.  I think you have the results entirely backwards. Nova Roma has been freed from your holding it hostage. 

I find it hilarious that you had free speech all last year...never even warned let alone moderated by the Praetor to the best of my knowledge..the only difference between last year and this year is that the Senate recognized your job abandonment and acted accordingly.

Good night Dexter and thanks for the entertainment.

Vale,

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93066 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

C. Petronius L. Sulla.salutem,


Many other solutions could may done... but, as I wanted to point it you are moved only by the hate.


Optime vale.


--
C. Petronius Dexter

Pontifex Maximus
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Kalendas Februarias MMDCCLXVII

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93067 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Ave,

I agree with you, Dexter there were many other solutions possible, like YOU DOING YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL JOB.  Baring you doing your constitutional duty I recognized the action for what it was, Job Abandonment.  When I had employees work for me who did not show up for their job after 3 days with no call no show....their asses were fired.  Guess what, that is what happened to you!

You abandoned your job, I recognized it as such, and made the case to the Senate and you were summarily dismissed.  

Hate?  You think I hate you?  Oh please Dexter, We are adversaries, but there are things that you and I agree with as well..Do you automatically assume opposition = hate?  By that logic I should hate Fabius....And lets be real there is alot more issues between him and I compared to you and I.  Every time he has been nota'd it was because I was involved.  I had to even deny his request to stand for Consul last year.  But, do I hate him no way.  I think you need to take a step back and have some perspective Dexter.  Seriously, take some time and have some reflection.

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93068 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,


Nova Roma hostage ? Lol. You do not see that Nova Roma is your captive? One man against all your gang, and you want to make me the guilty. It is funny. But as you are a champion in the unconstitutionlity let me laugh in my turn.

Have a good night.


--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat

pridie Kalendas Februarias MMDCCLXVII

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93069 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Ave,

I didnt make you guilty.  You made yourself guilty.  Take some personal responsiblity man and GROW UP.  Seriously, you are like a teenager who got caught trying to blame everyone for their own failing.  Sabinus nailed it right....nothing is your fault....its all mine....its all Nova Roma's but never your own.....think of your dignitas man!  You diminish yourself by blaming me for actions you had TOTAL control over.

This is seriously the decline of a great man and I am sad for it...you should have been Pontifiex Maximus your entire life and you pissed it away....WHY?  

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93070 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2014-01-30
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

C. Petronius L. Sulla spd,


Why ? But because your tyranny does not support me as PM. This last episode is only one of the evidences of your feeling.  Las year we had many evidences of that. Ok. You have the senate, you had a consulship without opponent, without colleague, for one complete year, (which is unconstitutional but the senate was silent) you are the owner of a list in which you may make me fun, etc. You are a tyrant, Sulla. That is the reason of my "decline" as you say. You do not understant it?

But , in what you are wrong,it is not a decline, it is a reborn.


Optime vale.


--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Kalendas Februarias MMDCCLXVII

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93071 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Ave,

Dexter the back alley makes fun of everyone!  Do you think I am immune, even here on the ML there has been a running joke that everything is Sulla's fault.  It got started on the BA and spilled over here.  I accept the joking as what it is.  JOKING.  

Dexter, you did not answer me or Caninus when we both asked you....why after stating publicly on the CP that you would summon the Comitia Curiata did you FAIL to keep your word?  You gave your word to your colleagues and you did not keep it.  You lied to them....so answer to all of us....WHY did you try to use your constitutional duty to prevent the new magistrates and priests from assuming their roles and positions?

I am a tyrant lol...I seriously think you need to look up the definition of a tyrant...you use that word and you seriously have no understanding of that term.  Lets crack open that dictionary and see what the word means:

Full Definition of TYRANT

1
a :  an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution
b :  a usurper of sovereignty
2
a :  a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally
b :  one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

Examples of TYRANT

  1. Our boss is a real tyrant.
  2. <the people universally feared the tyrant, who was notorious for his frequent use of torture

    Origin of TYRANT

    Middle English tyraunt, from Anglo-French tyran, tyrant,from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
    First Known Use: 14th century

    Lets see.  I was restrained by the Constitution of Nova Roma so that is a negatory.
    I was not a Usurper of sovereignty since I was actually elected by the People in the Comitia Centuriata.
    A Ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally? Lets see did I kill anyone?  Nope.  Did I or my allies beat anyone to near death?  Assualt anyone?  Batter anyone?  Nope.  What did we do?  Oh yeah we debated online.  And every item that was sent up to be voted on by the People passed.    So again, I have to say that is a negatory.

    One resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority and power....LOL  again did I kill anyone?  did I beat anyone?  Did I remove anyone from any position during my Consulship?  No.  You were still Pontifex Maximus the day I passed on the Consulship to Tink and Crassus.  

    Dexter seriously, you inflame everything to the 100th degree when it isnt the case.  You will never be able to have any perspective until you take a few steps back from the center of the storm.

    Vale,

    Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93072 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: a very nice experience
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I have very recently had the pleasure of getting to know one of our newer
citizens (waves at Cassius Atellus) via Skype. This is a very constructive
thing for us to do, either via Skype, Google Talk, or any other platform,
including Facebook chat. It is always nice to be able to associate a voice
with a name, and spontaneous chats help us to form stronger connections,
possible friendships, and strengthens our sense of community. So ... seek
out your fellow citizens wherever you hang out, and get to know them! I
promise you will find the time well spent, and that you won't regret doing
so. I never have!

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93073 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2014 7:06:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robert.woolwine@... writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93074 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata
Did you not read my first sentences?


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
Date:01/31/2014 2:55 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Temporary Close of the Comitia Centuriata

 

 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2014 7:06:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robert.woolwine@... writes:

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93075 From: scipiosecond Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

Really?!!!    Is this juvenile behavior necessary?   Civility and gravitas are always called for in public discourse,  If you have a complaint about Sulla or anyone else, state the accusation, the basis for the complaint, and invite a response.   Otherwise it sounds much like a middle schooler carping.


Petrus Augustinus           

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93076 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Salvete!

I'm sure that some of what gets posted on the lists, particularly the Back Alley, is discouraging potential citizens.  Decorum should be the rule.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: scipiosecond@...
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:17:42 -0800
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] RE: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

 

Really?!!!    Is this juvenile behavior necessary?   Civility and gravitas are always called for in public discourse,  If you have a complaint about Sulla or anyone else, state the accusation, the basis for the complaint, and invite a response.   Otherwise it sounds much like a middle schooler carping.


Petrus Augustinus           

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93077 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

Only citizens are allowed on the ml.  So that premise isn't correct.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93078 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
I stand corrected.  Still, consider the possibility that citizens are being discouraged from further participation.

Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: robert.woolwine@...
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:56:02 -0700
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] RE: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

 

Only citizens are allowed on the ml.  So that premise isn't correct.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93079 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

That's possible but really there isn't much that can be done. Dexter has the right to speak his mind.  There is no legal way to compel him from ceasing his attempt to plead his case.  And, I'd be the first to defend his right if it was so impacted...just as I'd hope he would do the same if the role was reversed. Such is the nature of living in a republic.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93080 From: Kirk Weaver Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Ave

Yes, and the tone does not befit any kind of public discourse.

Vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93081 From: Appia Gratia Avita Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Salvete,

A big reason I almost never post on the lists is because of the level of discourse.  I am absolutely petrified of saying or doing the wrong thing and being lectured, made fun of or otherwise ridiculed - especially if I have a question.  And I am married to a long time Nova Roma citizen and friends with others.  So I can't imagine how someone else feels who does not have that resource.

I wish all discussions on this list and any other were always conducted with decorum, consideration and respect.  You can always make your point without personal attacks and other things that lower the level of discourse.  But, I have been in Nova Roma long enough to realize that is merely wishful thinking.

Valete,
Avita


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93082 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Cassius Atellus Avitae omnibusque sal.

I'm one of the newer citizens here, and I am in agreement with you about the necessity of decorous discourse. Indeed, I spoke up about it here on the ML, and several others chimed in to echo the notion. There seems to have been an improvement in this regard since. I think the valuable views of our citizenry should not be withheld on account of poor conduct, as they can still have great effect on many other readers, and perhaps encouraging their participation in kind.

While I too grow tired of the undignified banter, I encourage all to join me in continuing--or beginning--sharing thoughts and  insights that will benefit the rest of us who care to take it for what it is.

Valete.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93083 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Avete Omnes,

I know I know its me posting again, but after the past 3 posts I had to reflect on the comments and something rather profound struck me...

No one should feel intimidated by posting here.  NO ONE.  We are all citizens of the Res Publica and we all have the right to post....Everyone does.  It is how we all reach the community at large is through this medium.  

Each of you three citizens have posted here on the past and went away unscathed from the experience.  :)

Appia Gratia, you posted on your message that you are afraid of being lectured by posting...Do you not realize that there is hardly anyone in Nova Roma's governance who has not been lectured not once but MANY TIMES.  I cannot tell you how many times I used to be lectured by Audens for being rash, uncompromising, and uncivil.  I survived that.  You will too, Heck, you are right now! ;)

Recently, we had a discussion on land and land ownership on this list.  Do you all know how many times this conversation has been discussed before?  At least 20 times from my count and that means this is a topic we have visited in Nova Roma more than one time a year!  This is cool....why is it cool you might ask?  Because every time this conversation comes up we have new citizens who bring new ideas and new concepts to the table that might not have been thought of before.  Why, I was on the phone with Caeca today and because we were talking about the land thread she had a brilliant idea that I think probably has the most potential to become a reality one day in the future when Nova Roma has enough funds to go that route.  I wont disclose her idea, in the event she wants to bring it to discussion, but after our conversation I do truly think it has excellent possibilities for the future.

Anyway, back to my point, Nova Roma will only grow and develop more depth if you, our quiet and lurking masses are brave enough to actually speak.  Don't be afraid that you might draw some criticism, for that is life.  

When I read comments like, im afraid to post...or I expect civil discourse or complaints about poor conduct...I think two things:

1.  You ain't seen anything.  I would suggest you all take a trip down our archives....and read just how volitale we have been.  Start off at March 2010 and read every post between March 2010 through August/September 2010.  Take a gander of what real conflict was like and what we all experienced.

2.  The second thought is how dare you lecture us.  You are new(er) to NR you might have some idea of how Nova Roma runs but lets be real.  We, who you are probably complaining about, are at heart what has made Nova Roma work.  We put in the blood, sweat, tears and countless hours.  We have this conflicts because we are vested into the project that is Nova Roma.  

Yes, I know that is harsh to hear, but it is the truth.  You all have potential to become apart of something greater than your individual self.  But, that is your choice and I hope each of you chooses to become apart of that and to bear the stresses and burden because it is what you want to do.  Because you have something to contribute.   But don't complain about us when we have made the choice to sacrifice part lives to Nova Roma.  

Dexter and I clash because we are both vested into Nova Roma.  We both just see it in different ways. That will bring conflict.  

We all have the freedom to express ourselves and I expect to hear alot of backlash about this post.  However, I stand by it because it is the truth and life is not perfect, change is hard and all of that centers around conflict.  Whether it be personal grievances, political disagreements or emotional responses.  

In conclusion, do not let any other citizen stop you from posting...for you diminish yourself as a Roman.  Do you think Cicero would shut up if confronted by someone he didnt like?  What about Catullus?  Ovid?  Be Romans, Be proud of who you are.  Do not expect other Romans to bend and change to your will because you wish it so.  We are an independent lot, it is our strength and our vitality.  

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.
Cn. Caesar censor sal.

All my colleague, Sulla,  is doing is ensuring that the comitia centuriata is in compliance with the recently passed law. Of course the alternative is not to do that and allow the consuls to call it in its current state and have a possible legal challenge to the product of its deliberations. That hardly seems sensible now does it?

The contrary view of course is that it is all either (a) some nefarious Sullan plot or (b) something suspect because Sulla proposed it instead of the consuls. Naturally neither is true.

Ordering the composition of the comitia centuriata is the job of the censors, last time I checked, and the consuls as the normal presiding magistrates issue the call to convene it, but they do NOT determine its composition. In this case it is the recent lex that determines that and the censors are merely the agents of the law. The people determined it by passing the lex.

This is unlikely to assuage Dexter who is rather miffed his pontifical robes were removed by the Senate. Had he done his duty however he would still be in possession of them. This was a deliberate attempt on his part to thrust a bar into the cogs of the machinery of government within our the res publica. It failed. The price was duly paid. Said robes were removed. He was unfit to wear them in the judgement of the Senate. That Dexter seems unhappy about this speaks more, in my view, to the myopic view he demonstrates, and indeed always has, than to the actual removal of those robes. In my year as consul every time the Senate passed a measure I proposed, he yelled they were all a puppet senate, a toy senate etc. etc. Very silly behavior on his part, but there it is, that is Dexter to a "T".

If people oppose Dexter or disagree with him and he doesn't like them, then he treats them in this manner. He has reverted to this type of behavior by attacking Sulla on the basis of personal attributes. He claims he is opposing a "tyrant". Nonsense. He does this because he obviously as a child failed to learn how to lose, pick oneself up and carry on. He lacks a "stiff upper lip". 

What we witness now on Dexter's part is the adult (well theoretically adult) version of a tantrum. Let us simplify this through an analogy. The naughty child failed to unlock the door to his room. He went and hid somewhere with the key. His parents needed the room opened. As a result, and despite ample opportunity to remedy the situation, the senatorial parents had to force the lock open. They then gave Dexter junior a time-out for 5 years and took away his favorite costume. They could have disowned him and fostered him out to whoever would take him, but instead all he got was a time-out. Now from the corner, heels drumming on the floor, red faced, he shrieks "tyrant". How many of us as parents have seen this before? Dexter maybe older in body but is clearly immature in mind. 

He also seems to suffer from the Waterloo syndrome - "it was some one else's fault I lost".... That Dexter got sent to his own Elba is his fault. He made a choice to abandon his post. He will not recognize this as he is too busy having a tantrum, but he should be thankful it was Elba and not St. Helena.

Optime valete


From: "scipiosecond@..." <scipiosecond@...  
Really?!!!    Is this juvenile behavior necessary?   Civility and gravitas are always called for in public discourse,  If you have a complaint about Sulla or anyone else, state the accusation, the basis for the complaint, and invite a response.   Otherwise it sounds much like a middle schooler carping.

Petrus Augustinus           


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93085 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: On Civil Discourse
C. Tullius Valerianus omnibus S.P.D.
 
     Salvete omnes! While I think I made my case for civil behavior and civil discourse the other day (never forgetting that our word "civil," meaning "well-behaved," comes directly from that Latin civilis, meaning "proper to a citizen (of Rome)" - that it is in fact the aspirations of our Roman maiores that all Romans strive to be civil at all times. As Sulla has pointed out, even the maiores sometimes failed, but as always whenever they failed, the picked themselves up and kept on trying.
 
      Striving for civil behavior and civil discourse is mos maiorum. Behavior to the contrary is a betrayal of mos maiorum, and Roman virtus.
 
     Every year we lose many citizens who join Nova Roma because they want what the founders of Nova Roma want, what the maiores of Roma Antiqua wanted - a dream of Rome, the bastion of virtue and civilization that is worthy of being remembered, fostered, continued, and where it has fallen, resurrected. Why do they leave? The reason most of them cite is that we don't seem serious about the work of Romanitas. We seem more interested in petty squabbling and infighting.
 
     Romanitas requires work. We all do need to strive to rise above pettiness. We shall stumble and fall on occasion. But when that happens, we need to pick ourselves up and keep trying. We cannot make excuses. We cannot say, "Well, we've had some very bad behavior here before, so that's just the way it is, here, and we should get used to it." If Romans thought that way, Cannae would have been the end of Rome - the Romans would have shrugged and said, "Well, Hannibal's got us beaten. That's just the way it is. I guess we should surrender."
 
     I applaud those citizens - and some of our most recent citizens, too, so all the more brave for speaking out against the decay of the establishment - for their stance on promoting a better Nova Roma. I think citizens who live and breathe Roman ideals of virtue and civility do us more good than all the senatus consulta ever passed. In the interest of full disclosure, these citizens whom I applaud include my wife, Appia Gratia Avita, who has often given me fresh eyes to see again the way newcomers to Nova Roma see us. I'm grateful for it, because we get comfortable. We forget. And then we get lazy. That's not what Nova Roma should be.
 
     Thank you, again, to all citizens who are struggling to make Nova Roma an organization that deserves to survive!
 
Valete optime!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93086 From: cmc Date: 2014-01-31
Subject: Re: Convening the Comitia Curiata.

C. Maria Caeca L. Cornelio Sullae Omnibusque S. P. D.

 

I have been thinking about some of the posts I’ve read here all day, but Sulla beat me to commenting (so what’s new about *that*?)  In many ways, I’m going to say the same, but differently enough, I trust, to now waste your reading time J.

 

I am a proponent of civility, partly because of how I was raised and partly because of my personal inclinations.  However, there have been times when I have broken my own rules of conduct, and openly and bluntly expressed anger and/or frustration.  You see, I actually *care* about this organization.  I’m not altogether sure how that happened, but it did, so issues that effect it, also affect me, and there are times when I become passionate, even angry.  Last night during a very pleasant discussion, I mentioned, referring to a post on another list, that, in some ways, it’s a pity we *aren’t* a role playing group, because things would become far more simple.

 

What I’m trying to say is this.  When we are hammering out issues and/or policies, several people will have strong opinions, and those opinions *will* be expressed.  In so doing, people will “speak from the hip” and give little thought to how what they say, and more to the point, how they say it, may affect those who read their posts. 

 

I can well understand hesitancy in participating, it took me over a year, I think, to make my first serious post on the ML, but I do think, in fact I do know that when the level of commitment to the organization is great enough, and when you quiet citizens find that you have strong feelings about something that Is happening, you’ll have the urge to say what you think.  I encourage you to do so, and yes, chancing criticism, uncivil rebuttal or blatant contempt. (and I have the T-shirts for all 3), but, you, each and every one of you, is part of our growth process, and you have ideas and creative problem solving strategies to offer.  Maybe those ideas will be combined with other people’s ideas.  Maybe more than one strategy will be used to solve a problem, or initiate a project.  Maybe you’ll find that no one agrees with you, but we can’t disagree *or* agree if we don’t know what you’re thinking.  Besides, you will be pleasantly surprised to find that, for everyone who disagrees, civilly or not, others will agree, or agree in part, and that you can talk ideas out with other citizens and come up with something unique and workable.

 

The bottom line is that we can’t get to know you if you don’t participate, and that is something most of us would like to do.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca