Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-30, 2014

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93566 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93567 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93568 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: The CP is called into session - April 2767.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93569 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Kalendis Aprilis: Veneralia; Sacrum Iunonis Covellae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93570 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: The CP is called into session - April 2767.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93571 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Senate Report Feb 25-March 9th Session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93572 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93573 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93574 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Report of the CP session - March 2767.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93575 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93576 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93577 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93578 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93579 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93580 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93581 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93582 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93583 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93584 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93585 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: CONSULAR EDICTUM - Sodalitas Census
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93586 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93588 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93589 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93590 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93591 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Calendar Note: Lunar Eclipse
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93592 From: Jeremiah Stoddard Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93593 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES: Opening Remarks - Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93594 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93595 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA - OPENING RITUAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93596 From: Jeremiah Stoddard Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Nova Romans in San Diego
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93597 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93598 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA - Certamen historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93599 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93600 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA - Certamen historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93601 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93602 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93603 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93604 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Consular Speech- Opening Day of the Ludi Megalensia 2767
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93605 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93606 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93607 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Nova Roma Ludi Megalenses Opening Ceremonies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93608 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93609 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Cybele
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93610 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - NEW Modification to the Rules
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93611 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 2 Questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93612 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93613 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Triclinium chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93614 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Jupiter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93615 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Parody Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93616 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Triclinium Chat - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93617 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93618 From: S. Lucilius Tutor Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: My oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93619 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Re: Daily Deity Spotlight: Jupiter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93620 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - ON GREEK DRAMA - Euripides' Orestes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93621 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 3 Questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93622 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Apollo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93623 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: The Batavian Revolt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93624 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Polybius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93625 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Herodotus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93626 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Poetry showcase
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93627 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Minerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93628 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Regarding Copyrights
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93629 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Tibullus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93630 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Sulpicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93631 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Vergil
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93632 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Sulpicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93633 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: EDICTUM PRÆTORIUM - Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93634 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Tibullus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93635 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93636 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93637 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM- Day 4 Questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93638 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93639 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Calendar Note: Mars
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93640 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93641 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: The discovery of Roman London
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93642 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Re: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93643 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Fortuna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93644 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Re: Daily Deity Spotlight: Fortuna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93645 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 5 Questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93646 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM UPDATE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93647 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Roman Drama: Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93648 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Roman Children's Games
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93649 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 6 & Final Questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93650 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Activity Recap
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93651 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Re: Activity Recap
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93652 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93653 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93654 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93655 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Roman Drama: Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93656 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93657 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Consul Aeternia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93658 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Ludi Megalenses Closing Ceremonies Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93659 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Bellona
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93660 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Consul Aeternia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93661 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93662 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES 2767 - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93663 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93664 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93665 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93666 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93667 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Roman Astrology
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93668 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93669 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Closing Ceremonies Live Broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93670 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93671 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93672 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: 2nd Broadcast for the Yanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93673 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: 2nd Broadcast for the Yanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93674 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Yank's broadcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93675 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Some military history to read with morning coffee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93676 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Heavenly Event
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93677 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Parody Entry #1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93678 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Re: Parody Entry #1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93679 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Parody Entry #2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93680 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Re: Parody Entry #2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93681 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Parody Contest Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93682 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Re: Parody Contest Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93683 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Re: Parody Contest Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93684 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2014-04-14
Subject: Politics and religion in ancient Rome.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93685 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2014-04-14
Subject: Politics and Religion in Ancient Rome by John Scheid:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93686 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Ancient fashion news
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93687 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93688 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93689 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Marcus Aurelius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93690 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93691 From: Scipio Second Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93692 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93693 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93694 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93695 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93696 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93697 From: Gabriele Longo Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93698 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93699 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93700 From: jirirys Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Facebook page - Civitas Boihaemum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93701 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Celebrating Spring, Roman style!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93702 From: Scipio Second Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93703 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Thanks for the Ludi Magalenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93704 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Ludi Magalenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93705 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-18
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93706 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-18
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93707 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-19
Subject: A glimpse of daily life in Pompeii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93708 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-19
Subject: Re: Marcus Aurelius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93709 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Joyous announcement!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93710 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Re: Joyous announcement!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93711 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Re: Joyous announcement!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93712 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: For Rome on her Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93713 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93714 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: For Rome on her Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93715 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93716 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: PARILIA SACRIFICE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93717 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93718 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93719 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93720 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93721 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93722 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] RE: [Nova-Roma] For Rome on her Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93723 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-22
Subject: Re: For Rome on her Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93724 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-22
Subject: Re: PARILIA SACRIFICE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93725 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-26
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Re: Consular Edict on Sodalitates Executive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93726 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-26
Subject: BIG NEWS: NR Augur Consecration in Pannonia (Budapest, Hungary)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93727 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-27
Subject: Re: BIG NEWS: NR Augur Consecration in Pannonia (Budapest, Hungary)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93728 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-28
Subject: Some info about Emperor Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93729 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: translation please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93730 From: gabrielelongomail Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Re: translation please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93731 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Gladiators!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93732 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Registered agent paid
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93733 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Banish ignorance!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93734 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-30
Subject: Re: Banish ignorance! (scholarship info)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93735 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-30
Subject: Re: translation please



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93566 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Just a brief heads up
Avete Omnes,

I know the ML has been kinda slow, but alot of what has been going on has been discussed on another list.  To give you an idea of the traffic difference let me give you some stats:


Back Alley:

Dec 2013 - 470 messages
Jan 2014- 776 messages
Feb 2014 - 486 messages 
Mar 2014 - 317 messages 

The ML:

Dec 2013 - 447 messages
Jan 2014 - 555 messages 
Feb 2014 - 263 messages 
Mar 2014 - 215 messages

If you wish to know what the Back Alley is, it is an unmoderated, uncensored list for anyone  18 years of age an older.  There is no off topic discussions there.  There are no language restrictions there...you can speak any language...as easily as you can curse and use foul language. It truly is the most Roman List in all of Nova Roma, in my honest opinion.

The back alley is a hotbed of gossip, brazen women in army gear, coarse language, political muggings, character assassinations, deep discussions and astronomy.   From Music, to Roman topics to the validity of Pluto's planetary status there is no off topic discussion on the BA.

If you wish to join in this list send an email:  backalley-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or send an email to me for an invite:  robert.woolwine@...

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93567 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Caesar sal.

And even the Purity Monitor of Nova Roma, no less than Scholastica herself, is down in the alley getting all grubby and dirty - so if that isn't an endorsement I don't know what is!!!! Come along and see her kick up her heels and engage in verbal fisticuffs, when she isn't too busy suppressing free speech  :)

Optime valete


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...

 
Avete Omnes,

I know the ML has been kinda slow, but alot of what has been going on has been discussed on another list.  To give you an idea of the traffic difference let me give you some stats:


Back Alley:

Dec 2013 - 470 messages
Jan 2014- 776 messages
Feb 2014 - 486 messages 
Mar 2014 - 317 messages 

The ML:

Dec 2013 - 447 messages
Jan 2014 - 555 messages 
Feb 2014 - 263 messages 
Mar 2014 - 215 messages

If you wish to know what the Back Alley is, it is an unmoderated, uncensored list for anyone  18 years of age an older.  There is no off topic discussions there.  There are no language restrictions there...you can speak any language...as easily as you can curse and use foul language. It truly is the most Roman List in all of Nova Roma, in my honest opinion.

The back alley is a hotbed of gossip, brazen women in army gear, coarse language, political muggings, character assassinations, deep discussions and astronomy.   From Music, to Roman topics to the validity of Pluto's planetary status there is no off topic discussion on the BA.

If you wish to join in this list send an email:  backalley-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or send an email to me for an invite:  robert.woolwine@...

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93568 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: The CP is called into session - April 2767.
Request: Can we go back to calling September, GERMANICUS? It just seems that we have the option to name that ninth month in our so many online locations.
Gratias tibi ago,
(Caesar Augustus) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Germanicus)

 
 
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:07 AM, "iulius_sabinus@..." <iulius_sabinus@...  
SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d III Non Apr 2767 a.U.c (Thursday 03 April 2014) until 20.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Kal Mai 2767 a.U.c (Wednesday, 30 April 2014).

The session schedule is:

Contio:
Start with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d III Non Apr 2767 a.U.c (Thursday 03 April 2014) until 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VIII Kal Mai 2767 a.U.c (Thursday, 24 April 2014).

Vote:
Start with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Mai (Monday, 28 April 2014) and ends at 20.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr Kal Mai 2767 a.U.c (Wednesday, 30 April 2014).

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

A. Matters to debate:

1. The Collegium Pontificum declaration about the Religio Romana.
2. Creation and implementation of the FAQ section of the Religio Romana.

B.The Collegium Pontificum members can add new matters to debate or items during the contio but not later than 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d. XI Kal Mai 2767a.U.c (Wednesday 21 April, 2014).

C. Any matter or item presented is allowed to vote only in the form of a decree. The decree, which is the final form to vote, shall be presented not later than 08.00 hr (Rome time) on a.d VII Kal Mai 2767 a.U.c (Friday, 25 April 2014).

D. Due to the importance of the item 1 the session can be extended. The extension shall be announced no late than 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VIII Kal Mai 2767 a.U.c (Thursday, 24 April 2014).

E. Proxy.
A CP member who is unable to vote can give his proxy to another CP member during the contio.

F. The Collegium Pontificum session can be observed by the entire Nova Roman community at this address:

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
acting PM.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93569 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Kalendis Aprilis: Veneralia; Sacrum Iunonis Covellae.
SALVETE!

Hodie est Kalendae Aprilae; haec dies fastus est: Veneralia; Sacrum Iunonis Covellae.

Veneralia.

The Veneralia, held on April 1st, is the Roman festival of Venus Verticordia, "Venus the Changer of Hearts", the protector against vice. A temple to Venus Verticordia was built in Rome in 114 BC, and dedicated April 1, at the instruction of the Sibylline Books to atone for the inchastity of three Vestal Virgins.
The worship of the Goddess Fortuna Virilis, "Bold fortune", attended a man's career, was also part of this festival. Fortuna had a temple at the Forum Boarium and a sacred precinct on the Quirinalis as Fortuna Populi Romani, "the Fortune of the Roman people".

In Rome, women removed jewelry from the statue of the goddess, washed her, and adorned her with flowers, and similarly bathed themselves in the public baths wearing wreaths of myrtle on their heads. It was generally a day for women to seek divine help in their relations with men.

"Duly do ye worship the goddess, ye Latin mothers and brides, and ye, too, who wear not the fillets and long robe. Take off the golden necklaces from the marble neck of the goddess; take off her gauds; the goddess must be washed from top to toe. Then dry her neck and restore to it her golden necklaces; now give her other flowers, now give her the fresh-blown rose. Ye, too, she herself bids bathe under the green myrtle, and there is a certain reason for her command; learn what it is. Naked, she was drying on the shore her oozy locks, when the satyrs, a wanton crew, espied the goddess. She perceived it, and screened her body by myrtle interposed: that done, she was safe, and she bids you do the same. Learn now why ye give incense to Virile Fortune in the place which reeks of warm water. All women strip when they enter that place, and every blemish on the naked body is plain to see; Virile Fortune undertakes to conceal the blemish and to hide it from the men, and this she does for the consideration of a little incense. Nor grudge to take poppy pounded with snowy milk and liquid honey squeezed from the comb; when Venus was first escorted to her eager spouse, she drank that draught: from that time she was a bride. Propitiate her with supplications; beauty and virtue and good fame are in her keeping. In the time of our forefathers Rome had fallen from a state of chastity, and the ancients consulted the old woman of Cumae. She ordered a temple to be built to Venus, and when that was duly done, Venus took the name of Changer of the Heart (Verticordia) from the event. Fairest of goddesses, ever behold the sons of Aenas with look benign, and guard thine offspring's numerous wives.
[Classical E-Text, Ovid, Fasti Book 4, 133-163, translated by James J. Frazer]

This day, capite velato, I have invoked Iuno Covella on the 5th day by saying the traditional formula:

"Die Quinte te kalo Iuno Covella"

I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable toward us, the entire Nova Roman community.

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of April shall be:

1 F Kalendae, Veneralia.
2 F Dies ater.
3 C.
4 C Ludi Megalenses.
5 N Nones; Ludi Megalenses.
6 N Dies ater, Ludi Megalenses.
7 N Nundina, Ludi Megalenses.
8 N Ludi Megalenses.
9 N Ludi Megalenses.
10 N Ludi Megalenses.
11 N.
12 N Ludi Cereales.
13 NP Idibus; Feriae Iovi, Ludi Cereales.
14 N Ater, Ludi Cereales.
15 NP Nundina, Fordicidia, Ludi Cereales.
16 N Ludi Cerealis
17 N Ludi Cerealis.
18 N Ludi Cerealis.
19 N Cerealia, Ludi Cereales.
20 N.
21 NP Parilia.
22 N.
23 F Nundina, Vinalia priora.
24 C.
25 NP Robigalia.
26 C
27 C
28 C Floralia.
29 C 
30 C

At the end I poured a libation of honeyed milk thanking to the Goddess for Her benevolence.

VALETE,
Sabinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93570 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: The CP is called into session - April 2767.
SALVE!

Here is the pontifical decree about the months:

It is based of a deep analyze and conciliate the ancient with the modern way of understanding.

VALE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93571 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Senate Report Feb 25-March 9th Session

 
Ex   Officio  Ti. Galerius  Paulinus, Tribune

 

Consul Statia Cornelia Aeternia issued a call for the Seante

Presiding Magistrate:  Statia Cornelia Aeternia -- Consul Maior 

Quorum:

Decius Iunius Palladius is on Leave - his Proxy is assigned to Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

 

SCHEDULE:

 

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME : Feb 25th-2014 : Call to order. Debate period commences.

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME March 1st 2014 : Debate period ends.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME  March 3rd  : Call to vote. Voting period commences.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME March 7th : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM MOUNTAIN TIME March 9th  : Call to close issued before this time.

 

 

 

AGENDA:

 

1.  Proroguing of Existing Governors (Debate and Vote)

 

2. Appointment of Q. Servilius Priscus

 Pertaining to Governorship America Nebracensis (Debate and Vote)

 

 

3.   Age Exemption Request for A. Iulius Paterculus

Pertaining to Governorship of Nova Britannia Ulterior (Debate and Vote)

 

 

4.   Appointment  of  Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus

Pertaining  to Governorship of America Texia (Debate and Vote)

 

5. Establishment of a Priest (Pontiffical) Fund  (Debate and Vote)

 

 

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
tallied as shown below.


The following 16 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in
time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in
the order in which they voted.

* LCSF L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, Acting Princeps Sen.                                                                    

* TIS T. Iulius Sabinus                                                                                                                    

* CnIC Cn. Iulius Caesar                                                                                                                 

 * CMC C. Marcius Crispus                                                                                                              

* CAC C. Aemilius Crassus, Praetor                                                                                                 

* DeIPI De. Iunius Palladius Invictus, Princeps Sen.(on leave)                                                          

  * MMA M. Minucius Audens                                                                                                           

 * QFM Q. Fabius Maximus                                                                                                              

* QSP Q. Suetonius Paulinus                                                                                                           

 * SCVIA Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia                                                                             

* LVT    L. Vitellius Triarius                                                                                                                

* CTVG C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus                                                                                      

* MPC M. Pompeius Caninus
* PACP P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
* TGP Ti. Galerius Paulinus
* PoMS Po. Minucia Strabo

 

Senator

 

 

 

 

 

Item

 

UTI ROGAS votes

ANTIQUO votes

ABSTINEO votes

Passes?

I

 

 

 

 

 

Province

Governor

 

 

 

 

Alasca et Havaia

Marcus Pompeius Caninus

16

0

0

YES

America Deserta

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

16

0

0

YES

America Hispanica

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

16

0

0

YES

Brasilia

Vibia Aemilia Regilla

16

0

0

YES

Britannia

Gaius Marcius Crispus

16

0

0

YES

California Angelensis

Quintus Fabius Maximus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93572 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Absence
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Cn. Lentulo S.P.D.

By the way Lentulus I've come across a slight discrepency in your carrying out my instructions.

So when you have internet access again.  I cannot stress the importance of how you must get in touch with me.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93573 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-01
Subject: Re: Absence
Ave,

Slight discrepancy?  LOL as big as the Grand Canyon!!! 

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93574 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Report of the CP session - March 2767.
Salvete Omnes:

It is good to see an 'official' end to the Blasphemy Decretum.  Cassius no doubt had good intentions when he wrote it, I believe late 2002-2003,  but I don't remember any other document in NR more misused by so many.

Valete
Pompeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93575 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia L. Cornelio Sullae Cn. Iulio Caesari Omnibusque S.P.D.


Well, well, if it isn't our own pair of Censors.

Since the rapscallion duo have decided to take over the ML.

Perhaps they would like start some discussions on our Main Fora to a positive effect.

Surely if they can create such "traffic" on the BA, then mayhaps they can do the same here.

Give the BA some friendly competition no?

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia 







Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93576 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
But but but....the BA is my baby!  :)  NR has everyone else to start things on the ML.....I like focusing on the BA.  Maybe if I post pics of Christina Hendricks it will distract you from this nefarious plot ;)

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93577 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salve Sulla,

Good one..

But not good enough.

As you often say "Suck it up Prince Buttercup".   

May I remind you are Censor, Senator, CFO, and Princeps Senatus.  As a strong voice in our community, it will not hurt for you to be carried from the subura of the BA to be among the citizenry.  Perhaps you can answer some FAQ's our new citizens may have.  I think that would be a great start.  It's not fair for the BA to have all the fun.  Remember Sulla sharing is caring.  ;-)


Vale bene,
Aeternia 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93578 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-02
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Remind me? LOL I think I know all the offices I hold...you forgot Lictor too.... ;)

There hardly isn't a day that goes by that I am not doing something NR related.  Im still finishing up the tax rolls as a matter of fact.  Then I will be working on the income statement and the Quickbooks account....then back to dealing with the flags.  I actually am rather busy hence my not posting the Happy Hunk day and the Big B Friday posts on the BA because by the time I remember the day has already passed. 

Let me finish the tax stuff and ill think of something in the meantime other people can post stuff too. I dont even mind if it is off topic..since sharing is caring...we can bring some of the BA fun to the ML too...

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93579 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Caesar sal.

A discussion? Hmmmm - how about this....

"Latin is as relevant today to the average Nova Roman citizen as Etruscan was to the average Roman citizen during the late republic, and thus there should only be one official language for Nova Roma, namely English."  Discuss. Points awarded for novel lines of debate. Sulla and I will judge the winner. Prize - to be determined.

Optime valete


From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...  
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia L. Cornelio Sullae Cn. Iulio Caesari Omnibusque S.P.D.


Well, well, if it isn't our own pair of Censors.

Since the rapscallion duo have decided to take over the ML.

Perhaps they would like start some discussions on our Main Fora to a positive effect.

Surely if they can create such "traffic" on the BA, then mayhaps they can do the same here.

Give the BA some friendly competition no?

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia 









Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93580 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
I know one prize we can put it on the Wiki....the Highlighted post for creativity and oratorical skills! :)

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93581 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salve amice

Well if can persuade a noted latinist, and she is willing, one prize could be a date night with her - all expenses up to $20 USD paid for by donations. Straight forward almost slap-up meal, no hanky panky (academics don't do that sort of thing - apparently), followed by an intense debate on the role of the Boni in post 2010 Nova Roma... now who could ask for more in a prize???

Vale bene
Caesar   


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... font-weight:bold;">To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
I know one prize we can put it on the Wiki....the Highlighted post for creativity and oratorical skills! :)

Vale,

Sulla




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93582 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Aeternia Caesari sal:

The pigeon carrying the memo something "positive".

I take it you failed to receive it?

Vale bene,
Aeternia




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93583 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salve amica

Hey that's positive - positively ..interesting... or something..

Vale bene
Caesar 


From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...  
Aeternia Caesari sal:

The pigeon carrying the memo something "positive".

I take it you failed to receive it?

Vale bene,
Aeternia




On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...



--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93584 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: (no subject)
C. Aemilius Crassus Quiritibus SPD,

Ex Officio Consularis Novae Romae:

CONSULAR  EDICTUM  67-02: StCVIA CAC :  Sodalitas Census

Considering that the Special Interest Groups (SIGs), also known as sodalitates, are an important part of our community as venues for the pursuit of knowledge and for debating specific Roman themes which enrich all of Nova Roma,

Considering that some of these SIGs have had minimal internal activity or none at all, while others have been active and fulfilling their objective, such as the Sodalitas Militarium,

Considering that some of these SIGs have failed to comply with their own internal rules and charters, which were presented to and approved by the Senate of Nova Roma,

We the Consuls of Nova Roma, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and Gaius Aemilius Crassus, consider it essential to ascertain the current status of the official sodalitates, so we can cooperate with the Sodalitates, as well as with the Senate, to increase their visibility and activity in NR.

For this purpose, we declare:

I - Each sodalitas' first officers are required to send the following information to the Consuls:
a) The names of their sodalitas' first officers
b) A current charter and corpus of bylaws
c) The number of members in their sodalitas
d) An estimated number of currently active members therein
e) Any other information the first officers consider pertinent to advance the mission and interests of the sodalitas to the citizenry of NR.

II - The information specified above must be sent no later than 21 days from the issuing of this edictum

III - Any sodalitas which fails to provide the information specified above will be deemed as without leadership, and either a recommendation for the instatement of new leadership for the sodalitas in question, or a termination order of that sodalitas, will be brought to the Senate for consideration.

IV - If any of the information specified in Section I is inaccessible to the first officers of any Sodalitas, they should contact the Consuls for instructions on how to proceed on those points.

This edictum shall take effect immediately.

a.d III Non. Apr. MMDCCLXVII A.V.C. St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93585 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: CONSULAR EDICTUM - Sodalitas Census
C. Aemilius Crassus Quiritibus SPD,

Ex Officio Consularis Novae Romae:

CONSULAR  EDICTUM  67-02: StCVIA CAC :  Sodalitas Census

Considering that the Special Interest Groups (SIGs), also known as sodalitates, are an important part of our community as venues for the pursuit of knowledge and for debating specific Roman themes which enrich all of Nova Roma,

Considering that some of these SIGs have had minimal internal activity or none at all, while others have been active and fulfilling their objective, such as the Sodalitas Militarium,

Considering that some of these SIGs have failed to comply with their own internal rules and charters, which were presented to and approved by the Senate of Nova Roma,

We the Consuls of Nova Roma, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and Gaius Aemilius Crassus, consider it essential to ascertain the current status of the official sodalitates, so we can cooperate with the Sodalitates, as well as with the Senate, to increase their visibility and activity in NR.

For this purpose, we declare:

I - Each sodalitas' first officers are required to send the following information to the Consuls:
a) The names of their sodalitas' first officers
b) A current charter and corpus of bylaws
c) The number of members in their sodalitas
d) An estimated number of currently active members therein
e) Any other information the first officers consider pertinent to advance the mission and interests of the sodalitas to the citizenry of NR.

II - The information specified above must be sent no later than 21 days from the issuing of this edictum

III - Any sodalitas which fails to provide the information specified above will be deemed as without leadership, and either a recommendation for the instatement of new leadership for the sodalitas in question, or a termination order of that sodalitas, will be brought to the Senate for consideration.

IV - If any of the information specified in Section I is inaccessible to the first officers of any Sodalitas, they should contact the Consuls for instructions on how to proceed on those points.

This edictum shall take effect immediately.

a.d III Non. Apr. MMDCCLXVII A.V.C. St. Cornelia C. Aemilio cos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93586 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
 
 
In a message dated 4/2/2014 7:37:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robert.woolwine@... writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Actually Crys started the list first.

We became equal co-partners at about the same time. :)

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93588 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salve amice

If we measured the amount of words, or the amount of posts, from you on the BA then you have fed the baby more than Fabius ;)

Vale bene
Caesar


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...  
Actually Crys started the list first.

We became equal co-partners at about the same time. :)

Sulla





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93589 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
 
 
In a message dated 4/3/2014 9:28:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gn_iulius_caesar@... writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93590 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up

Ahhh Fabius :)

You are focusing on the wrong subject.  I don't need to post all the time...but NR needs it.

Case in point nr suffered from lack of guidance and direction in major times during nr's history.  I'm not talking about leadership via the consulship...I'm talking something more long term...more steady and in a way more subtle..that foundation of support like a load bearing beam in a building.  That is how I see myself.

The reason I come to this conclusion is simple.  Just look at the sheer traffic the ba had during my death compared to now.  Case set...match.

Now not everyone is going to agree with me...understood.  But I'm going to do my best to further the organization because the organization deserves to grow and expand.  There is a place for nr in this crazy ass world...and in the meantime I have my knowledge, experience and my crazy sense of humor to help this along.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93591 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Calendar Note: Lunar Eclipse
Salvete omnibus in foro!

On the night of April 15-16, there will be a total eclipse of the Moon, visible from North America.  For observers in the east it will begin around 1:30 a.m.
May your skies be clear!

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93592 From: Jeremiah Stoddard Date: 2014-04-03
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
A. Vergilius Figulus Novae Romae civibus S.P.D.

If you will, citizens of Nova Roma, condescend to hear the voice of a humble newcomer, I would that I might speak a word or two in favor of the lingustic patrimony left behind by our illustrious ancestors, namely the Latin tongue.

An integral part of Romanitas and indivisible from and as indispensable as the mos majorum, the Roman virtues, and the Religio Romana is the most noble language of our forbears. And as Nova Roma is tasked with the restoration and spread of Romanitas, should not Latin be equally a part of that? What other organization is worthy of such an obligation? Shall we leave the Latin tongue defenseless, that such a precious piece of the legacy of Rome shall disappear from the earth, leaving Nova Roma to be forever crippled and also a great loss to humanity overall? No! It is incumbent upon us Nova Romans to preserve and nurture this patrimony, that we may truly be worthy of our ancestors and preserve this priceless treasure for humankind! Can we leave it to others? The Vatican? No! Why should Latin belong to those who turned it against the gods of our ancestors! We cannot leave it to be usurped and corrupted by those who oppose the mos majorum!

No, my friends and fellow-citizens: Without Latin there is no Romanitas. It is up to us to encourage its use, especially here in the Forum Romanum where, more than anywhere else in the world, Latin belongs! Let us not remove Latin from the most Latin place on earth, nor give it second-class status here! It is understood that not all Nova Romans will learn Latin. Some will say they don't possess the ability, though I think they sell themselves short. Others are simply not interested in this part of our heritage. There is no conflict here; Roma Nova needs citizens with a wide variety of interests. Yet we do not need to discount Latin for their sake either: No citizen will be interested in everything discussed in the Forum Romanum. Nevertheless, let us honor Latin and laud those who choose to speak it among us, for they are preserving an essential part of the heritage with whose protection we are charged.

May the language of Cicero live on. Vivat Lingua Latina!

Valete!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93593 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES: Opening Remarks - Aedilis Curulis
Salvete omnes!
On this morning, we remember the strife of the Roman People during the 2nd Punic War with Carthage, the stories of the arrival on this day of the Magna Mater in ancient Rome.
At the altar of Victoria in my home this morning, I offered incense and prayers to the goddess Cybele, the Magna Mater, on behalf of the Senate and Peoples of Nova Roma.  As well, offerings and prayers were given to Father Iuppiter, Father Apollo, Mother Minerva, Mother Fortuna, and Mother Bellona, also honored during these games.
With this, as Aedilis curulis, I officially open these games and present to you the Editor of the Games for this year’s Megalesia, Tib. Cassius Atellus, and Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus for the Opening Rites.
Let us honor the Magna Mater and let the games begin!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93594 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
M. Pompeius Caninus A. Vergilio Figulo SPD:

Just as Greek was the more commonly used language in many parts of the Empire, and for much the same reasons, English is the common language of the official fora. While one may dismiss the use of English as settling for the least common denominator or pushing Latin into a second class position, the fact is that the vast majority of our citizens, those who pay taxes and those who do not, have at least a working knowledge of English. This basic fact suggests that the official business and communications of our organization must be conducted using the English language. Even those citizens who are fluent in Latin very likely would not conceive and fully form a lex completely in Latin with no reliance on their native tongue to guide their thoughts and debate. And as some have pointed out in previous threads, there is at least one active Latinist who, while complaining about the lack of the languages use for official purposes, has relied on the fact that most citizens do not understand the language to insult and obfuscate.

Personally, as a private citizen, I would welcome the unrestricted use of Latin here on the Main List. I would not, however, approve of its use without translation in the Forum Hospitum. But as an elected official and Senator, I understand that the corporation needs to conduct business and English is the most well known and most efficient language for that purpose. Sadly, I cannot foresee a time when Latin would be the primary language for official business. Not because of the number of elected officials who can communicate in Latin but because we need a language that is widely understood by the citizens. Most of our citizens would not be able to fully understand a legal instrument written in Latin. Although we could write all of our leges and decreta in Latin and provide English translations, as some other organizations do, that woudl not be efficient and it would make the passage and implementation of such measures more complicated. Perhaps, if Nova Roma grew to a much larger size and there were many active Latinist who would lend their time and talents to running the organization and assisting with the writing of legal documents we could move toward Latin as the primary official language. That does not seem to be something will happen anytime soon.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93595 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA - OPENING RITUAL
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.

The Ludi Megalenses, the Megalesia, have started today. I have offered the solemn Megalesia sacrifice to Magna Mater, a Goddess with whom Nova Roma has a special connection.

Quirites, join with your prayers and pray for Nova Roma that it may become truly Roman more and more, day by day.

As a Megalesia Gift for all of you, citizens of Nova Roma, I offer that I perform a private sacrifice in your behalf for ANY objective or wish you have. Please contact me privately during the days of Megalesia.

Happy Megalesia!



The sacrifice has been this:

Favete linguis!

1. PRAEFATIO

Magna Mater Deum Idaea,
te hoc thure obmovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia Novae Romae,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Great Idaean Mother of the Gods,
by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so
that you may be benevolent and propitious to Nova Roma
to me, to my household and to my family.]

Magna Mater Deum Idaea,
uti te thure dato bonas preces precatus sum,
eiudem rei ergo macte hoc lacte libando
esto fito volens propitia Novae Romae,
mihi domo familiae!

[Great Idaean Mother of the Gods,
as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason be thou, blessed by this sacrificial milk,
benevolent and propitious to Nova Roma
to me, to my household and to my family.]

2. PRECATIO

Magna Mater Deum Idaea,
te quaesumus veneramur precamur
uti hisce ludis Megalensibus tuis sactissimis,
Novam Romam augeas, adiuves, confirmes,
utique negligentiam erga te nostram ignoscas,
atque uti nobis ignoscas propter vitia nostra
facta de Proiecto Magnae Matris!

[Great Idaean Mother of the Gods,
we ask, pray and beseech you so
that, upon these Megalesian Games consecrated to you,
you may confirm, strengthen and help Nova Roma,
so that forgive us our negligence towards you,
and forgive us for our mistakes
committed regarding the Magna Mater Project!]

3. SACRIFICIUM

Harum rerum ergo macte
hoc lacte melle mixto
et hoc thure dato
esto fito volens propitia Novae Romae,
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
collegio pontificum,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[For all these reasons, thou blessed
by offering these 3 liba,
by offering this milk with honey,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious to Nova Roma,
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

4. PIACULUM

Magna Mater Deum Idaea,
si quid vitii in hac caerimonia infuit,
ex te veniam peto,
et vitium meum hoc lacte dato expio.

[Great Idaean Mother of the Gods,
if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
I ask forgiveness from you,
and I expiate my fault with this sacrificial milk]

Ilicet!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93596 From: Jeremiah Stoddard Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Nova Romans in San Diego
A. Vergilius Figulus Novae Romae civibus S.P.D.

Are there any cives (citizens) in San Diego who would like to participate in regular (say, monthly) face-to-face meetings? Ideally there would be at least five of us so that we could seek recognition as an Oppidum and represent Nova Roma at local events (and perhaps even create some events of our own). Not only would this make Nova Roma more "real" and personal for each of us, it would provide an excellent opportunity for recruiting new cives. Nevertheless, if not 5, I'll take what I can get, and we can see how to go about recruiting the rest as new cives.

Valete omnes!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93597 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Ti. Cassius Atellus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Today, as the Ludi Megalenses commence, I will be offerring some opening remarks and outlining the schedule for the coming week over a live Youtube broadcast, which will start today, April 4th, at 11:00 PM Rome time, or 3:00 PM Mountain Daylight time. I would like to apologize for the very short notice, but I've been behind in setting things up. Fortunately, those who aren't able to to view it live will be able to see it later on. After the opening remarks and such have concluded, there will be a question & answer / social session. Unfortunately, only those with a Youtube account will be able to particiapte in the Q&A, but everyone can watch.

Once the broadcast has ended, it will spend some time uploading, and will be available to watch in full within an hour or two. I will post a link to the broadcast as soon as it's up and running, and I hope to see many of you there!

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93598 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA - Certamen historicum - Day 1
Salvete omnes!
 
This year's Ludi will consist of a Certamen historicum about the Magna Mater and Cult of Cybele.  There will be a daily round of 10 questions for six days.  The answer submissions will be due in no later than 6:00 AM Rome Time the following day.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. Answers will not be accepted after the daily 6AM Rome Time deadline, when the daily answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
**********************************************************************
 
Visit the Megalesia 2767 wiki page at:
 
Visit the Certamen historicum wiki page at:
 
**********************************************************************
 
DAY 1 QUESTIONS:
 
 
1. What were three primary events that occurred that caused Rome to officially adopt the Cult of the Magna Mater?
2. Which Roman Emperor claimed the Magna Mater as one of his ancestors? 
3. The cult object brought to Rome was what? 
4. The cult object originally belonged to which Roman ally?
5. The Magna Mater’s chariot was drawn by what animals?
6. Who was chosen to meet the goddess at Ostia?
7. Who could observe the Megalesia procession, but by their own laws, were forbidden to participate in it or to know her mysteries? 
8. Who was forbidden to observe the Megalesia procession or any of the Ludi proceedings? 
9. Who was the Magna Mater considered to be the Mother-Goddess of?
10. Who was the consort of Cybele? 
 
**********************************************************************
 
Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93599 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Salvete,

The event page is up on Youtube now, and can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-i-7qCoOO0

If the link somehow doesn't work, you can find it by searching Youtube for "Nova Roma Ludi".

Again, the scheduled time is today, April 4th at 11:00 PM Rome time (CEST, +2 UTC), or 3:00 PM Utah time (MDT, -6 UTC).
Please share this with friends, as this would be a great way to introduce new people to Nova Roma!

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93600 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA - Certamen historicum - Day 1
 
Salvete omnes!
 
 
 
 
CORRECTION:
 
The daily submission deadline for the Certamen historicum is NOON ROME TIME the following day, not 6:00 AM.
 

 
Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
On Friday, April 4, 2014 1:53 PM, Lucius Vitellius <lvtriarius@...  
Salvete omnes!
 
This year's Ludi will consist of a Certamen historicum about the Magna Mater and Cult of Cybele.  There will be a daily round of 10 questions for six days.  The answer submissions will be due in no later than 6:00 AM Rome Time the following day.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. Answers will not be accepted after the daily 6AM Rome Time deadline, when the daily answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
**********************************************************************
 
Visit the Megalesia 2767 wiki page at:
 
Visit the Certamen historicum wiki page at:
 
**********************************************************************
 
DAY 1 QUESTIONS:
 
 
1. What were three primary events that occurred that caused Rome to officially adopt the Cult of the Magna Mater?
2. Which Roman Emperor claimed the Magna Mater as one of his ancestors? 
3. The cult object brought to Rome was what? 
4. The cult object originally belonged to which Roman ally?
5. The Magna Mater’s chariot was drawn by what animals?
6. Who was chosen to meet the goddess at Ostia?
7. Who could observe the Megalesia procession, but by their own laws, were forbidden to participate in it or to know her mysteries? 
8. Who was forbidden to observe the Megalesia procession or any of the Ludi proceedings? 
9. Who was the Magna Mater considered to be the Mother-Goddess of?
10. Who was the consort of Cybele? 
 
**********************************************************************
 
Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93601 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Ave Consul.

Ok you asked for it...you want me to come up with a topic for discussion....Ok....

Discussion.

How ironic is it that it is the Priest of Concordia who has caused the most Discord this year (and the past years as well).....and nearly single-highhandedly caused the most discord between the our two consuls.  What should that individual do to fix the situation?

There is my topic for discussion.

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93602 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salve Sulla,

Knowing both our consuls as I do, I can vouch for their maturity and capability as adults. They are perfectly able to account for the discord between them. Surely their self-control and their decision-making abilities should not be thrown into question like this; for if we lay contention between them to another's charge, we are indeed showing a vote of no confidence in their capabilities. I have no doubts that the consuls can work out this issue soon, and peacefully.

Vale.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93603 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Ave,

Uh huh....Sure.  :) That is certainly one view to have. 

Respectfully,

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93604 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Consular Speech- Opening Day of the Ludi Megalensia 2767
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Consul Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

The festival of the Cybele, the Great Mother.  I know the expectation was for me to give a opening speech.  But I thought I would do something a bit different and present a  bit of a story.  This is well known myth and I thought this to be a fitting myth since we are on the subject of Mothers.

Do we remember the myth of Niobe Queen of Thebes? Who mocked Leto for having only two children versus Niobe's brood of fourteen?  In response the goddess Lucina (Leto) had her twin children Apollo and Diana (Artemis) avenge such slight.  Diana (Artemis) and Apollo slaughtered all of Niobe's children even after she begged to be left only one child.  The Theban Queen also lost her husband King Amphion who killed himself after seeing all his children dead.

From that day on Niobe became the symbol of mourning and nothing more.  It was Niobe's pride that was her downfall.  She became too proud and mocked a goddess.  Niobe thought she was above the immortals because of the size of her brood.  The myth of Niobe shows when excessive hubris clouds your normal judgement.

Cybele the great mother may be of a foreign cult.  But as she was adopted by  our Roman forefathers and we as Nova Romans should not be too prideful to forget that fact.

Enjoy the spectacles of the Ludi Megalensia to all.


Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93605 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Salvete,

I do recall Sulla asking if you could start a "positive" discussion.

Let me guess that memo was not received either?

I really find this pigeon who is not relaying my messages clearly.

Have a care Sulla its the Ludi after-all ..  Lets try for more positive things and post in positivity.

Valete bene,
Aeternua 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93606 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Just a brief heads up
Ave,

Obviously I received the Memo, since I referenced it.

Hey I could say...I didn't understand the concept of being positive....but that would be such a low hanging fruit!  ;)

But I will state this...this item was one of the first ideas to pop in my head....since im still irritated at the entire situation still - I decided to take the ball and run with it.  However, you are right Tink....lets all enjoy the Ludi.   I will kick back and open a bottle of wine and chill out. :)

We can discuss positive things...hey miracles do happen I showed up to a meeting that actually had Metellus in attendance...that is something positive.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93607 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Nova Roma Ludi Megalenses Opening Ceremonies
Salvete omnes,
 
 
Here's history, as Cassius Atellus hosts the first of many live broadcasts for NR!
 
This is history in the making.
The second live broadcast is scheduled for next Thursday for the closing ceremonies.  We invite everyone to view the broadcast and join in the Q&A period after the ceremonies.  Have you comments and questions ready!
 
 
Valete optime,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
On Friday, April 4, 2014 8:44 PM, YouTube <noreply@... Chip Hatcher sent you a video: "Nova Roma Ludi Megalenses Opening Ceremonies"
Chip Hatcher has shared a video with you on YouTube
Nova Roma Ludi Megalenses Opening Ceremonies
The opening of the Nova Roman Ludi Megalenses MMDCCLXVII, presented by Tiberius Cassius Atellus, editor of the games.

Official Opening of the Ludi, by Curule Aedile L. Vitellius Triarius:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Nova-Roma/conversations/messages/93593

Opening Sacrifice to Magna Mater, by Potifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Nova-Roma/conversations/messages/93595
©2014 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93608 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Ti. Cassio Atello Omnibusque S.P.D.

Thank you Atelle!  You definitely rocked this!  You did so well and I am so proud of you.

Talk about bringing on the smoulder.

*applauds*

I look forward to Thurdsay may not be able to make the live broadcast due to work schedule.  But I will definitely be watching it!

Valete bene,
Aeternia




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93609 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Cybele
Salvete omnibus in foro,

Today being the beginning of the Megalensia festival, held to honor Cybele, the Magna Mater, I present an educational look at the history, mythology, and religion surrounding this timeless figure in the pantheon of Rome:

Cybele: The Magna Mater



One of the most intriguing figures in the religious life of the ancient Mediterranean world is the Phrygian Mother Goddess, known to the Greeks and Romans as Kybele and Magna Mater and the Mother of the Gods. The worship of this goddess spread throughout the Roman Empire. Originally Phrygian, she was a goddess of caverns, of the Earth in its primitive state; worshipped on mountain tops. She ruled over wild beasts, and was also a bee goddess. Her cult was particularly prominent in central Anatolia (modern Turkey), and spread from there through the Greek and Roman world. She was an enormously popular figure, attracting devotion from common people and potentates alike.


The Roman State adopted and developed a particular form of her cult after the Sibylline oracle recommended her conscription as a key religious component in Rome's second war against Carthage. The goddess arrived in Rome in the form of Pessinos' black meteoric stone. As this cult object belonged to a Roman ally, the Kingdom of Pergamum, the Roman Senate sent ambassadors to seek the king's consent; en route, a consultation with the Greek oracle at Delphi confirmed that the goddess should be brought to Rome. Roman legend connects this voyage, or its end, to the matron Claudia Quinta, who was accused of inchastity but proved her innocence with a miraculous feat on behalf of the goddess. Publius Cornelius Scipio Nasica, supposedly the "best man" in Rome, was chosen to meet the goddess at Ostia; and Rome's most virtuous matrons (including Claudia Quinta) conducted her to the temple of Victoria, to await the completion of her temple on the Palatine Hill. Pessinos' stone was later used as the face of the goddess' statue. In due course, the famine ended and Hannibal was defeated. Roman mythographers reinvented her as a Trojan goddess, and thus an ancestral goddess of the Roman people by way of the Trojan prince Aeneas. With Rome's eventual hegemony over the Mediterranean world, Romanised forms of Cybele's cults spread throughout the Roman Empire. The meaning and morality of her cults and priesthoods were topics of debate and dispute in Greek and Roman literature, and remain so in modern scholarship.


Augustan ideology identified Magna Mater with Imperial order and Rome's religious authority throughout the empire. Augustus claimed a Trojan ancestry through his adoption by Julius Caesar and the divine favour of Venus; in the iconography of Imperial cult, the empress Livia was Magna Mater's earthly equivalent, Rome's protector and symbolic "Great Mother"; the goddess is portrayed with Livia's face on cameos and statuary. On the cuirass of Augustus' Prima Porta statue, Magna Mater's tympanon lies at the feet of the goddess Tellus. By this time, Rome had absorbed the goddess's Greek and Phrygian homelands, and the Roman version of Cybele as Imperial Rome's protector was introduced there.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________


Valete bene!

Ti. Cassius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93610 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - NEW Modification to the Rules
Salvete omnes!
 
Due to a request, I am modifying the rules.
 
Answers FOR ANY QUESTIONS may now be received at ANY TIME until Thursday, April 10th, at NOON ROME TIME.
 
Contestant points will be posted daily on the NR wiki at:
 
 
This will allow some others to participate that could not have previously by nature of the daily submission requirements.
 
The answers will be posted in length on Thursday, April 10th, at NOON Rome Time, at which time no further submissions will be accepted.
So, if you have not joined in the scholarly fun, you may now do so, as your schedule permits, up until that time. You may still submit answers daily, if you wish, but are not required to do so.  It's your choice.
 
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93611 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 2 Questions
Salvete omnes!
 
The answer submissions will be due in no later than NOON Rome Time on April, 10th.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. ANSWERS FOR ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL NOON ROME TIME ON THURDAY, APRIL 10TH. Answers will not be accepted after the NOON Rome Time deadline, when the answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
**********************************************************************
 
Visit the Megalesia 2767 wiki page at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_MMDCCLXVII_(2767)_AUC_(Nova_Roma)
 
Visit the Certamen historicum wiki page at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_MMDCCLXVII_(2767)_AUC_(Nova_Roma)/Certamen_historicum
 
**********************************************************************
 
DAY 2 QUESTIONS:
 
 
11. Where were the Magna Mater and her priests confined to within the city of Rome? 
12. What was the name of her eunuch Phrygian priests?
13. In Virgil’s Aeneid who is Cybele the mother of?
14. In the Aeneid for what purpose does she give the Trojans her sacred tree?
15. In the Aeneid what did she beg Iuppiter to do for the Trojans?
16. Who sponsored the Magna Mater’s celebrations? 
17. Who was generally tasked with organizing the Megalesia? 
18. What sacred structure is built on top of the original temple of the Magna Mater? 
19. What names were used by the Arabians for the Magna Mater? 
20. What did the major festival to the Magna Mater on March 25th represent?
 
**********************************************************************
 
Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93612 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Live Broadcast

Salve Cassi Atelle,

Excellent broadcasting, thank you very much for it and congratulations.

Vale et valete,
Crassus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93613 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-05
Subject: Triclinium chat
Salvete, omnes!

This year, the triclinium chats are making a comeback, and will run from today until Thursday the 10th. Some of you have been through the triclinium chat in previous years, and some have not. The idea is that participants will write brief vignettes set in Roma Antiqua, and submit them for the enjoyment of everyone else. This year, the stories will once again take place mainly in/around the Taberna Aquila "Eagle Tavern", and the club, Occultis Cordis. I have given some thought as to themes that would prove most meaningful to Nova Roma, and while I will not dictate themes or topics to include, I would recommend exploring family life in these stories.

I will be posting my contribution to the triclinium chat tomorrow; but in the meantime, I invite anyone else interested in getting their muse on to begin writing! Even if you aren't a writer, or don't consider yourself talented, please take some time to write a scene or two. There's no penalty for super short entries, and no experience required. It's fun!


Let the chats begin!

Valete optime.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93614 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Jupiter
Salvete iterum, omnes!

Today we remember the greatness of Jupiter, and his high station in the Roman pantheon.

__________________________________________________________________________________

JUPITER: THE FATHER GOD




Ageless god of the sky, ever feared master of thunder, and beneficent keeper of Rome. Across the whole expanse of the vast and eternal heavens, and ever since there have been sons of Rome to worship him, Jupiter has been acknowledged and revered by Roman cultors as the supreme ruler of men and gods alike.


He first deigned to bless king Numa Pompilius with divine symbols of imperium, thus giving Rome a divinely approved status, on which to build a heritage. This would be a  for Rome to carry with it through the centuries: A heritage that would forever shape the world of men to come.


Throughout the life of Rome, as a kingdom, as a republic, and as an empire, Jupiter was forever and inextricably connected with the welfare of the people, the clemency of the seasons, and the spiritual vitality of the nation. He was given a highest honor worthy of a god when a magnificent temple was erected to his name on the Capitoline hill; and thus men gave Rome back to him who first gave Rome to men. The temple’s dedication festival fell on September 13, on which day the consuls originally succeeded to office, accompanied by the Senate and other magistrates and priests. In fulfillment of a vow made by their predecessors, the consuls offered to Jupiter a white ox, his favourite sacrifice, and, after rendering thanks for the preservation of the state during the past year, they made the same vow as that by which their predecessors had been bound. Then followed the feast of Jupiter. In later times this day became the central point of the great Roman games. When a victorious army returned home the triumphal procession passed to this temple.


Throughout the Roman Republic this remained the central Roman cult; and, although Augustus’ new foundations of the cults of Apollo Palatinus and Mars Ultor were in some sense its rivals, that emperor was far too shrewd to attempt to oust Iuppiter Optimus Maximus from his paramount position; he became the protecting deity of the reigning emperor as representing the state, as he had been the protecting deity of the free republic. His worship spread over the whole empire.



Since that time, Jupiter dominated the Roman calendar, with not only numerous festivals and other feriae, but also because the institution of the nundinae was attributed to him.

There were a collection of cults and celebrations that developed, dedicated to many various aspects of Jupiter, and a number of which involved the production and consumption of wine.


Jupiter was not only the great protecting deity of the race but also one whose worship embodied a distinct moral conception. He is especially concerned with oaths, treaties, and leagues, and it was in the presence of his priest that the most ancient and sacred form of marriage, the confarreatio took place. The lesser deities Dius Fidius and Fides were, perhaps, originally identical and certainly were connected with him. This connection with the conscience, with the sense of obligation and right dealing, was never quite lost throughout Roman history. In Virgil’s Aeneid, though Jupiter is in many ways as much Greek as Roman, he is still the great protecting deity who keeps the hero in the path of duty and pietas toward gods, state, and family.




Respectfully,

Ti. Cassius Atellus

Chronicler of Nova Roma


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93615 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Parody Contest
Salvete, quirites, cives, homini, mulieres, et cetera!

It's Monday, and you know what Monday means, don't you? Of course you don't.
Why, today brings the official Megalesia parody contest! HUZZAH! For 5 days, we get to make fun of some of Nova Roma's most prominent figures. In this year's contest, we have 5 people who have volunteered themselves to be the subjects of the parodies you create.
These brave souls are:
- Lucius Vitellius Triarius
- Marcus Pompeius Caninus
- Pompeia Minucia Strabo
- Gnaeus Iulius Caesar


I hope that you all will have lots of fun taking--wait... What? What's a "Sulla"? Isn't that like some mythical creature, or something? No? Wait, I remember this. I thought Sulla was an Eastern European country that fought with the Allies in World War II... Oh, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix!

Ladies and gentlemen, our 5th and final volunteer for the parody contest is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. Now that our lineup is complete, let's get to the rules:

- All entries must be submitted before midnight Rome time on the night of Thursday the 10th.
- All entries must only be about the 5 people named above. You can mix n' match, pick n' choose, and use one or all of them in your parody, as you like.
- Entries must not be politically charged, as a whole, or in part.
- Entries must not be libeous, or constitute a personal attack. Yes, make fun of them, but this is about humor, not vendettas.
- Keep it PG, people.
- Make it short, or make it long, but only one submission is allowed per person.
- All entries must be emailed to Ti.Cassius.Atellus @ gmail.com, after which I will post each entry on both fora without the author's name, for the sake of anonymity.
- Also, you don't have to be a citizen. If you see this post and wanna poke fun, go for it!

All entries will be reviewed by the judges, and results for the top 3 submissions will be posted on or after Friday the 11th.

That said, bring the parodies!

Valete optime.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93616 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Triclinium Chat - Day 1
Salvete, mea familia.

I have tried to remember to write to you sooner, but the trip has been too exhausting. Today we started out from Pisae, continuing South toward Rome. The weather seems to be getting steadily hotter as we go. I'm not used to this! I like the milder spring months back home, up in the mountains. Aelius and Plautina have been bickering again, this time over the phases of the moon. I grow weary of their pointless arguing. I hope we reach Rome soon!

Earlier today we passed a cohors of legionaries; they must be training today. These soldiers were very well-equipped and all had bright shields and helmets. Their armor is much higher quality than the armor I would see on the soldiers at the outpost just outside town. Everyone seems to be more prosperous down here... I feel surrounded by wealth. Not only of riches, but also abundance of beautiful cities and--

"Hey, what's this?" Aelius snatched the papyrus from me, holding it up to the candlelight.
I'd had enough of his immaturity for one day. "C'mon, Aeli, give it back! I'm not finished writing it. Besides, weren't you just complaining to me that you were trying to sleep, and I was being too noisy?" He nodded, almost to himself, still buried in my letter. "Yeah, I guess so. Oh, that's so sentimental of you, Tiberi. You miss home up in the cozy mountains, with all the tender flowers, and the larks in the pine boughs--" "Yes, Aeli, I miss it; and don't act surprised. You're from there too, in case you forgot!"

He dropped the letter back onto my pack, and I adjusted it back into place next to my ink bottle and stylus. He flopped onto his bed, and said, "How'd you know?" "Just go to sleep, Aeli, " I ordered. I could hear other travelers arriving late and coming up the stairs of the inn to get some much needed rest. I was surprised not to hear anything more from Aelius after that; usually he wouldn't shut up for a good while. Honestly, I really envied Plautina. She had fallen asleep before I sat down to write my letter, and stayed that way. Nevertheless, I was very glad we had finally arrived in Rome. Plautina had said that one of the best places to visit in Rome, beside the circus maximus, and the colosseum, and the baths of Trajan, was a tavern called "The Eagle". She had been to Rome several times before, and each time she returned, she brought back with her stories of the grandeur of Rome, of the captivating performances of the dramatists and poets, and tales from the Eagle. I quickly concluded my letter, laid down, and closed my eyes. Being here for Megalesia with my best friend and my brother gave me excitement enough that it took awhile before I finally fell asleep.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93617 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat - Day 1
Salvete,

Ah, the triclinium chats.  How its been a while.

Very interesting story you are developing Atelle :-)

Looking forward to the next segment.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93618 From: S. Lucilius Tutor Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: My oath
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of GOVERNOR, Legatus pro Praetore, to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of GOVERNOR, Legatus pro Praetore, and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93619 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: Re: Daily Deity Spotlight: Jupiter

Salvete!

 

Interestingly, when a Roman General made his Triumph through Rome, his face was painted with a red pigment associated with Jupiter.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93620 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - ON GREEK DRAMA - Euripides' Orestes
Salvete omnes,
 
 
On this day of festivities honoring Apollo, we offer to you a modern translation and virtual performance of Euripides' play, Orestes, as originally performed by Foad Theatre Company directed by James Wilson at the Square Theatre Edinburgh in August 1993, as part of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. The translation is by Andrew Wilson.
 

 

Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93621 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 3 Questions
Salvete omnes!
 
The answer submissions will be due in no later than NOON Rome Time on April, 10th.
 
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Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. ANSWERS FOR ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL NOON ROME TIME ON THURDAY, APRIL 10TH. Answers will not be accepted after the NOON Rome Time deadline, when the answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
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DAY 3 QUESTIONS:
 
 
21. How was each temple to the Magna Mater organized in relation to the other temples?
22. What were the ceremonial events that the Cannophori carried out on the March 25th Festival?
23. What were the four (4) priestly ranks in each MM Temple, from highest to lowest status?
24. How were new initiates of the cult inducted into the priesthood?
25. What was the name used by the Greeks to represent the Magna Mater? 
26. What was the name used by the Babylonians to represent the Magna Mater? 
27. What was the name used by the Sumerians to represent the Magna Mater? 
28. What types of offerings were especially reserved for the Magna Mater? 
29. When and why was it decided that the Magna Mater had to come to Rome and how was it justified?
30. What Carthaginian leader was terrorizing the Roman Countryside?
 
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Good Luck to all the contestants!
 

Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93622 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Apollo
Salvete iterum, omnes!

Today we remember the greatness of Apollo, the god so important that the Romans did not change his name!
 
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APOLLO: THE GOD OF PROPHECY, ORACLES, HEALING, ETC.
 
APOLLO was the great Olympian god of prophecy and oracles, healing, plague and disease, music, song and poetry, archery, and the protection of the young. He was depicted as a handsome, beardless youth with long hair and various attributes including:--a wreath and branch of laurel; bow and quiver; raven; and lyre.
The most famous myths of Apollo include:
* His birth on the island of Delos;
* The slaying of the serpent Python which guarded the oracular shrine of Delphoi;
* The slaying of the giant Tityos who attempted to carry off the god's mother Leto;
* The destruction of the Niobides whose mother had offended Leto with her boasts;
* His music contest with the satyr Marsyas who lost and was flayed alive;
* His love for the youth Hyakinthos who was killed by a discus throw and transformed into a flower;
* His love for the nymph Daphne who fled from him and was transformed into a laurel tree;
* His love for Koronis who was slain by Artemis for her infidelity;
* The murder of the Kyklopes who had forged the lightning bolt used to destroy his son Asklepios;
* His service as bondsman to the mortal Admetos;
* His struggle with Herakles for the Delphic tripod;
* The Trojan War in which he brought plague to the Greeks and helped Paris slay Akhilleus.

He was one of the great divinities of the Greeks, and according to Homer (Il. i. 21, 36), the son of Zeus and Leto. Hesiod (Theog. 918) states the same, and adds, that Apollo′s sister was Artemis. Neither of the two poets suggests anything in regard to the birth-place of the god, unless we take Lukêgenês (Il. iv. 101) in the sense of "born in Lycia," which, however, according to others, would only mean "born of or in light." Several towns and places claimed the honour of his birth, as we see from various local traditions mentioned by late writers. Thus the Ephesians said that Apollo and Artemis were born in the grove of Ortygia near Ephesus (Tacit. Annal. iii. 61); the inhabitants of Tegyra in Boeotia and of Zoster in Attica claimed the same honour for themselves. (Steph. Byz. s.v. Tegura.) In some of these local traditions Apollo is mentioned alone, and in others together with his sister Artemis. The account of Apollo′s parentage, too, was not the same in all traditions (Cic. de Nat. Deor. iii. 23), and the Egyptians made out that he was a son of Dionysus and Isis. (Herod. ii. 156.) But the opinion most universally received was, that Apollo, the son of Zeus and Leto, was born in the island of Delos, together with his sister Artemis; and the circumstances of his birth there are detailed in the Homeric hymn on Apollo, and in that of Callimachus on Delos. (Comp. Apollod. i. 4. § 1; Hygin. Fab. 140.) Hera in her jealousy pursued Leto from land to land and from isle to isle, and endeavoured to prevent her finding a resting-place where to give birth. At last, however, she arrived in Delos, where she was kindly received, and after nine days′ labour she gave birth to Apollo under a palm or an olive tree at the foot of mount Cynthus. She was assisted by all the goddesses, except Hera and Eileithyia, but the latter too hastened to lend her aid, as soon as she heard what was taking place. The island of Delos, which previous to this event had been unsteady and floating on or buried under the waves of the sea, now became stationary, and was fastened to the roots of the earth. (Comp. Virg. Aen. iii. 75.) The day of Apollo′s birth was believed to have been the seventh of the month, whence he is called hebdomagenês. (Plut. Sympos. 8.) According to some traditions, he was a seven months′ child (heptamênaios). The number seven was sacred to the god; on the seventh of every month sacrifices were offered to him (hebdomagetês, Aeschyl. Sept. 802; comp. Callim. Hymn. in Del. 250, &c.), and his festivals usually fell on the seventh of a month. Immediately after his birth, Apollo was fed with ambrosia and nectar by Themis, and no sooner had he tasted the divine food, than he sprang up and demanded a lyre and a bow, and declared, that henceforth he would declare to men the will of Zeus. Delos exulted with joy, and covered herself with golden flowers. (Comp. Theognis, 5, &c.; Eurip. Hecub. 457, &c.)
 
Apollo, though one of the great gods of Olympus, is yet represented in some sort of dependence on Zeus, who is regarded as the source of the powers exercised by his son. The powers ascribed to Apollo are apparently of different kinds, but all are connected with one another, and may be said to be only ramifications of one and the same, as will be seen from the following classification.
 
Apollo is:
 
1. The god who punishes and destroys (oulios) the wicked and overbearing, and as such he is described as the god with bow and arrows, the gift of Hephaestus. (Hom. Il. i. 42, xxiv.605, Od. xi. 318, xv. 410, &c.; comp. Pind. Pyth. iii. 15, &c.) Various epithets given to him in the Homeric poems, such as hekatos, hekaergos, hekêbolos, ekatêbolos, klutotoxos, and argurotoxos, refer to him as the god who with his darts hits his object at a distance and never misses it. All sudden deaths of men, whether they were regarded as a punishment or a reward, were believed to be the effect of the arrows of Apollo; and with the same arrows he sent the plague into the camp of the Greeks. Hyginus relates, that four days after his birth, Apollo went to mount Parnassus, and there killed the dragon Python, who had pursued his mother during her wanderings, before she reached Delos. He is also said to have assisted Zeus in his contest with the giants. (Apollod, i. 6. § 2.) The circumstance of Apollo being the destroyer of the wicked was believed by some of the ancients to have given rise to his name Apollo, which they connected with apollumi, "to destroy." (Aeschyl. Agam. 1081.) Some modern writers, on the other hand, who consider the power of averting evil to have been the original and principal feature in his character, say that Apollôn, i. e. Apellôn, (from the root pello), signifies the god who drives away evil, and is synonymous with alexikakas, Acesius, Acestor, sôtêr, and other names and epithets applied to Apollo.
 
2. The god who affords help and wards off evil. As he had the power of visiting men with plagues and epidemics, so he was also able to deliver men from them, if duly propitiated, or at least by his oracles to suggest the means by which such calamities could be averted. Various names and epithets which are given to Apollo, especially by later writers, such as akesios, akestôr, alexikakos, sôtêr, apotropaios, epikourios, iatromantis, and others, are descriptive of this power. (Paus. i. 3. § 3, vi. 24. § 5, viii. 41. § 5; Plut. de Ei ap. Delph. 21, de Defect. Orac. 7; Aeschyl. Eum.. 62; comp. Müller, Dor. ii. 6. § 3.) It seems to be the idea of his being the god who afforded help, that made him the father of Asclepius, the god of the healing art, and that, at least in later times, identified him with Pacëon, the god of the healing art in Homer.
 
3. The god of prophecy. Apollo exercised this power in his numerous oracles, and especially in that of Delphi. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Oraculum) The source of all his prophetic powers was Zeus himself (Apollodorus states, that Apollo received the mantikê from Pan), and Apollo is accordingly called "the prophet of his father Zeus." (Aeschyl. Eum. 19); but he had nevertheless the power of communicating the gift of prophecy both to gods and men, and all the ancient seers and prophets are placed in some relationship to him. (Hom. Il. i. 72, Hymn. in Merc. 3, 471.) The manner in which Apollo came into the possession of the oracle of Delphi (Pytho) is related differently. According to Apollodorus, the oracle had previously been in the possession of Themis, and the dragon Python guarded the mysterious chasm, and Apollo, after having slain the monster, took possession of the oracle. According to Hyginus, Python himself possessed the oracle; while Pausanias (x. 3. § 5) states, that it belonged to Gaea and Poseidon in common. (Comp. Eurip. Iphig. Taur. 1246, &c.; Atlen. xv. p. 701; Ov. Met. i. 439; Apollon. Rhod. ii. 706.)
 
4. The god of song and music. We find him in the Iliad (i. 603) delighting the immortal gods with his play on the phorminx during their repast ; and the Homeric bards derived their art of song either from Apollo or the Muses. (Od. viii. 488, with Eustath.) Later traditions ascribed to Apollo even the invention of the flute and lyre (Callim. Hymn. in Del. 253; Plut. de Mus.), while the more common tradition was, that he received the lyre from Hermes. Ovid Heroid. xvi. 180) makes Apollo build the walls of Troy by playing on the lyre, as Amphion did the walls of Thebes. Respecting his musical contests, see Marsyas.
 
5. The god who protects the flocks and cattle (nomios Deos, from nomos or nomê, a meadow or pasture land). Homer (Il. ii. 766) says, that Apollo reared the swift steeds of Eumelus Pheretiades in Pieria, and according to the Homeric hymn to Hermes (22, 70, &c.) the herds of the gods fed in Pieria under the care of Apollo. At the command of Zeus, Apollo guarded the cattle of Laomedon in the valleys of mount Ida. (ll. xxi. 488.) There are in Homer only a few allusions to this feature in the character of Apollo, but in later writers it assumes a very prominent form (Pind. Pyth. ix. 114; Callim. Hymn. in Apoll. 50, &c.); and in the story of Apollo tending the flocks of Admetus at Pherae in Thessaly, on the banks of the river Amphrysus, the idea reaches its height. (Apollod. i. 9. &sec; 15; Eurip. Alcest. 8; Tibull. ii. 3. 11; Virg. Georg. iii. 2.)
 
6. The god who delights in the foundation of towns and the establishment of civil constilutions. His assistance in the building of Troy was mentioned above; respecting his aid in raising the walls of Megara. Pindar (Pyth. v. 80) calls Apollo the archêgetês, or the leader of the Dorians in their migration to Peloponnesus; and this idea, as well as the one that he delighted in the foundation of cities. seems to be intimately connected with the circumstance, that a town or a colony was never founded by the Greeks without consulting an oracle of Apollo, so that in every case he became, as it were, their spiritual leader. The epithets ktistês and oikistês (see Böckh, ad Pind. l.e.) refer to this part in the character of Apollo.
 
These characteristics of Apollo necessarily appear in a peculiar light, if we adopt the view which was almost universal among the later poets, mythographers, and philesophers, and according to which Apollo was identical with Helios, or the Sun. In Homer and for some centuries after his time Apollo and Helios are perfectiy distinet. The question which here presents itself, is, whether the idea of the identity of the two divinities was the original and primitive one, and was only revival in later times, or whether it was the result of later speeulations and of foreign, chiefly Egyptian, influence. Each of these two opinions has had its able advocates. The former, which has been maintained by Buttmann and Hermann, is supported by strong arguments. In the time of Callimachus, some persons distinguished between Apollo and Helios, for which they were censured by the poet. (Fragm. 48, ed. Bentley.) Pausanias (vii. 23. &sec; 6) states, that he met a Sidonian who declared the two gods to be identical, and Pausanias adds that this was quite in accordance with the belief of the Greeks. (Comp. Strab. xiv. p. (635; Plut. de Ei ap. Delph. 4, de Def.Orae. 7.) It has further been said, that if Apollo be regarded as the Sun, the powers and attributes which we have enumerated above are easily explained and accounted for; that the surname of Phoibos (the shining or brilliant), which is frequently applied to Apollo in the Homeric poems, points to the sun; and lastly, that the traditions concerning the Hyperboreans and their worship of Apollo bear the strongest marks of their regarding the god in the same light. (Alcaeus, ap. Himer. xiv. 10; Diod. ii. 47.) Still greater stress is laid on the fact that the Egyptian Horus was regarded as identical with Apollo (Herod. ii. 144, 156 ; Diod. i. 25; Plut. de Is. et Os. 12, 61; Aelian, Hist. An. x. 14), as Horus is usually considered as the god of the burning sun. Those who adopt this view derive Apollo from the East or from Egypt, and regard the Athenian Apollôn patrôios as the god who was brought to Attica by the Egyptian colony under Cecrops. Another set of accounts derives the worship of Apollo from the very opposite quarter of the world -- from the country of the Hyperboreans, that is, a nation living beyond the point where the north wind rises, and whose country is in consequence most happy and fruitful. According to a fragment of an ancient Doric hymn in Pausanias (x. 5. § 4), the oracle of Delphi was founded by Hyperboreans and Olenus ; Leto, too, is said to have come from the Hyperboreans to Delos, and Eileithyia likewise. (Herod. iv. 33, &c.; Paus. i. 18. § 4; Diod. ii. 47.) The Hyperboreans, says Diodorus, worship Apollo more zealously than any other people; they are all priests of Apollo; one town in their country is sacred to Apollo, and its inhabitants are for the most part players on the lyre. (Comp. Pind. pyth. x. 55, &c.)
 
These opposite accounts respecting the original seat of the worship of Apollo might lead us to suppose, that they refer to two distinct divinities, which were in the course of time united into one, as indeed Cicero (de Nat. Deor. iii. 23) distinguishes four different Apollos. Müller has rejected most decidedly and justly the hypothesis, that Apollo was derived from Egypt; but he rejects at the same time, without very satisfactory reasons, the opinion that Apollo was connected with the worship of nature or any part of it; for, according to him, Apollo is a purely spiritual divinity, and far above all the other gods of Olympus. As regards the identity of Apollo and Helios, he justly remarks, that it would be a strange phenomenon if this identity should have fallen into oblivion for several centuries, and then have been revived. This objection is indeed strong, but not insurmountable if we recollect the tendency of the Greeks to change a peculiar attribute of a god into a separate divinity; and this process, in regard to Helios and Apollo, seems to have taken place previous to the time of Homer. Müller′s view of Apollo, which is at least very ingenious, is briefly this. The original and essential feature in the character of Apollo is that of "the averter of evil" (Apellôn); he is originally a divinity peculiar to the Doric race; and the most ancient seats of his worship are the Thessalian Tempe and Delphi. From thence it was transplanted to Crete, the inhabitants of which spread it over the coasts of Asia Minor and parts of the continent of Greece, such as Boeotia and Attica. In the latter country it was introduced during the immigration of the Ionians, whence the god became the Apollôn patrpsos of the Athenians. The conquest of Peloponnesus by the Dorians raised Apollo to the rank of the principal divinity in the peninsula. The Apollôn nomios was originally a local divinity of the shepherds of Arcadia, who was transformed into and identified with the Dorian Apollo during the process in which the latter became the national divinity of the Peloponnesians. In the same manner as in this instance the god assumed the character of a god of herds and flocks, his character was changed and modified in other parts of Greece also : with the Hyperboreans he was the god of prophecy, and with the Cretans the god with bow and darts. In Egypt he was made to form a part of their astronomical system, which was afterwards introduced into Greece, where it became the prevalent opinion of the learned.
 
But whatever we may think of this and other modes of explaining the origin and nature of Apollo, one point is certain and attested by thousands of facts, that Apollo and his worship, his festivals and oracles, had more influence upon the Greeks than any other god. It may safely be asserted, that the Greeks would never have become what they were, without the worship of Apollo : in him the brightest side of the Grecian mind is reflected. Respecting his festivals, see Dict. of Ant. s. v. Apollônia, Thargelia, and others.
In the religion of the early Romans there is no trace of the worship of Apollo. The Romans became acquainted with this divinity through the Creeks, and adopted all their notions and ideas about him from the latter people. There is no doubt that the Romans knew of his worship among the Greeks at a very early time, and tradition says that they consulted his oracle at Delphi even before the expulsion of the kings. But the first time that we hear of the worship of Apollo at Rome is in the year B. C. 430, when, for the purpose of averting a plague, a temple was raised to him, and soon after dedicated by the consul, C. Julius. (Liv. iv. 25, 29.) A second temple was built to him in the year B. C. 350. One of these two (it is not certain which) stood outside the porta Capena. During the second Punic war, in B. C. 212, the ludi Apollinares were instituted in honour of Apollo. (Liv. xxv. 12; Macrob. Sat. i. 17; Dict. of Ant. s. v. Ludi Apollinares; comp. Ludi Sweculares.) The worship of this divinity, however, did not form a very prominent part in the religion of the Romans till the time of Augustus, who, after the battle of Actium, not only dedicated to him a portion of the spoils, but built or embellished his temple at Actium, and founded a new one at Rome on the Palatine, and instituted quinquennial games at Actium. (Suet. Aug. 31, 52; Dict. of Ant. s. v. Aktia.)
 
Apollo, the national divinity of the Greeks, was of course represented in all the ways which the plastic arts were capable of. As the ideas of the god became gradually and more and more fully developed, so his representations in works of art rose from a rude wooden image to the perfect ideal of youthful manliness, so that he appeared to the ancients in the light of a twin brother of Aphrodite. (Plin. H. N. xxxvi. 4. § 10.) The most beautiful and celebrated among the extant representations of Apollo are the Apollo of Belvedere at Rome, which was discovered in 1503 at Rettuno (Mus. Pio-Clem. i. 14, 15), and the Apollino at Florence. In the Apollo of Belvedere, the god is represented with commanding but serene majesty; sublime intellect and physical beauty are combined in it in the most wonderful manner. The forehead is higher than in other ancient figures, and on it there is a pair of locks, while the rest of his hair flows freely down on his neck. The limbs are well proportioned and harmonious, the muscles are not worked out too strongly, and at the hips the figure is rather thin in proportion to the breast.
 
Source: Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology.
 
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HYMNS TO APOLLO
 
I) THE HOMERIC HYMNS
 
Homeric Hymn 3 to Pythian Apollo (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C7th to 4th B.C.) :
 "O Lord [Apollon], Lykia (Lycia) is yours and lovely Maionian and Miletos, charming city by the sea, but over wave-girt Delos you greatly reign your own self. Leto's all-glorious son goes to rocky Pytho, playing upon his hollow lure, clad in divine, perfumed garments; and at the touch of the golden key his lyre sings sweet. Thence, swift as thought, he speeds from earth to Olympos, to the house of Zeus, to join the gathering of the other gods: then straightway the undying gods think only of the lyre and song, and all the Mousai together, voice sweetly answering voice, hymn the unending gifts the gods enjoy and the sufferings of men . . . Meanwhile the rich-tressed Kharites (Charites, Graces) and cheerful Horai (Seasons) dance with Harmonia and Hebe and Aphrodite, daughter of Zeus, holding each other by the wrist. And among them sings one . . . Artemis who delights in arrows, sister of Apollon. Among them sport Ares and the keen-eyed Argeiphontes [Hermes], while Apollon plays his lure stepping high and featly and radiance shines around him, the gleaming of his feet and close-woven vest. And they, even gold-tressed Leto and wise Zeus, rejoice in their great hearts as they watch their dear son playing among the undying gods."
 
Homeric Hymn 21 to Apollo :
 "Phoibos [Apollon], of you even the swan sings with clear voice to the beating of his wings, as he alights upon the bank by the eddying river Peneios; and of you the sweet-tongued minstrel, holding his high-pitched lyre, always sings both first and last. And so hail to you lord! I seek your favour with my song."
 
II) THE ORPHIC HYMNS
 
Orphic Hymn 34 to Apollo (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) :
 "To Apollon. Blest Paian (Paean), come, propitious to my prayer, illustrious power, whom Memphian tribes revere, Tityoktonos (Slayer of Tityos), and the god of Health, Lykoreus, Phoibos, fruitful source of wealth: Pytheion, golden-lyred, the field from thee receives its constant rich fertility. Titan, Gryneion, Smyntheus, thee I sing, Pythoktonos (Python-Slayer), hallowed, Delphion king: rural, light-bearing Daimon, and Mousagetos (Leader of the Mousai, Muses), noble and lovely, armed with arrows dread: far-darting, Bakkhion, twofold and divine, power far diffused, and course oblique is thine. O Delion king, whose light-producing eye views all within, and all beneath the sky; whose locks are gold, whose oracles are sure, who omens good revealest, and precepts pure; hear me entreating for he human kind, hear, and be present with benignant mind; for thou surveyest this boundless aither all, and every part of this terrestrial ball abundant, blessed; and thy piercing sight extends beneath the gloomy, silent night; Beyond the darkness, starry-eyed, profound, the table roots, deep-fixed by thee, are found. The world's wide bounds, all-flourishing, are thine, thyself of all the source and end divine. 'Tis thine all nature's music to inspire with various-sounding, harmonious lyre: now the last string thou tunest to sweet accord, divinely warbling, now the highest chord; the immortal golden lyre, now touched by thee, responsive yields a Dorian melody. All nature's tribes to thee their difference owe, and changing seasons from thy music flow: hence, mixed by thee in equal parts, advance summer and winter in alternate dance; this claims the highest, that the lowest string, the Dorian measure tunes the lovely spring: hence by mankind Pan royal, two-horned named, shrill winds emitting through the syrinx famed; since to thy care the figured seal's consigned, which stamps the world with forms of every kind. Hear me, blest power, and in these rites rejoice, and save thy mystics with a suppliant voice."
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTIONS OF APOLLON
Philostratus the Elder, Imagines 2. 19 (trans. Fairbanks) (Greek rhetorician C3rd A.D.) :

"As for the aspect of the god [Apollon], he is represented as unshorn, my boy, and with his hair fastened up so that he may box with girt-up head; rays of light rise from about his brow and his cheek emits a smile mingled with wrath; keen is the glance of his eyes as it follows his uplifted hands."
Philostratus the Younger, Imagines 14 (trans. Fairbanks) (Greek rhetorician C3rd A.D.) :
"[From a description of an ancient Greek painting:] Here is the god [Apollon], painted as usual with unshorn locks; he lifts a radiant forehead above eyes that shine like rays of light."
APOLLO was the great Olympian god of prophecy, oracles, healing and disease, music, poetry, archery, and the protection of the young. The majority of Apollon's children were only linked to him with the briefest of genealogical references. Most of these were the mythical founders of certain (historical) noble houses and priestly clans. Others were named as his sons to emphasize their skill as musicians or seers.
 
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Sources:
o The Homeric Hymns - Greek Epic C8th-4th B.C.
o The Orphic Hymns - Greek Hymns C3rd B.C. - C2nd A.D.
o Philostratus the Elder, Imagines - Greek Rhetoric C3rd A.D.
o Philostratus the Younger, Imagines - Greek Rhetoric C3rd A.D.
For more in-depth studies on Apollo, see: 
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Apollon.html
 
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93623 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: The Batavian Revolt
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Below is a link to an extensive and fascinating article concerning early
Imperial military history. Hope you enjoy this as much as I did!

http://www.ancient.eu.com/article/286/

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93624 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Polybius
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

From the same source as the last article (an awesome site and worth a long
look!) here is an article on one of Rome's most prominent historians. Hope
you enjoy!

http://www.ancient.eu.com/Polybius/

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93625 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Herodotus
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Another article from this excellent source, this time about Herodotus,
called the "father of history", and as familiar to the Romans as he was to
the Greeks.

http://www.ancient.eu.com/herodotus/

Enjoy!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93626 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Poetry showcase
Ti. Cassius Atellus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Fellow quirites, esteemed Novi Romani! Today begins the poetry showcase, which will continue through Thursday the 10th. This is not a contest, it's an open invitation for anyone who's written any rhyme, prose, or other poetry appropriate to Nova Roma, or who wish to do so. Keep in mind that per Nova Roma law, all poems and other original material posted on the official fora by its citizens become the intellectual property of Nova Roma, inc.

So come forward, veterans and newbies alike! Let us show our creative abilities and contribute a verse.

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93627 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Minerva
Salvete quirites et amici!

Today we remember the great goddess of wisdom, Minerva, of the Capitoline Triad.

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MINERVA: GODDESS OF WISDOM



Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, was the daughter of Jupiter. She was said to have leaped forth from his brain, mature, and in complete armour. She presided over the useful and ornamental arts, both those of men- such as agriculture and navigation- and those of women,- spinning, weaving, and needlework. She was also a warlike divinity; but it was defensive war only that she patronized, and she had no sympathy with Mars's savage love of violence and bloodshed. Athens was her chosen seat, her own city, awarded to her as the prize of a contest with Neptune, who also aspired to it, The tale ran that in the reign of Cecrops, the first king of Athens, the two deities contended for the possession of the city. The gods decreed that it should be awarded to that one who produced the gift most useful to mortals. Neptune gave the horse; Minerva produced the olive. The gods gave judgment that the olive was the more useful of the two, and awarded the city to the goddess; and it was named after her, Athens, her name in Greek being Athene.


There was a contest, in which a mortal dared to come in competition with Minerva. That mortal was Arachne, a maiden who had attained such skill in the arts of weaving and embroidery that the nymphs themselves would leave their groves and fountains to come and gaze upon her work. It was not only beautiful when it was done, but beautiful also in the doing. To watch her, as she took the wool in its rude state and formed it into rolls, or separated it with her fingers and carded it till it looked as light and soft as a cloud, or twirled the spindle with skilful touch, or wove the web, or, after it was woven, adorned it with her needle, one would have said that Minerva herself had taught her. But this she denied, and could not bear to be thought a pupil even of a goddess. "Let Minerva try her skill with mine," said she; "if beaten I will pay the penalty." Minerva heard this and was displeased. She assumed the form of an old woman and went and gave Arachne some friendly advice. "I have had much experience," said she, "and I hope you will not despise my counsel. Challenge your fellow-mortals as you will, but do not compete with a goddess. On the contrary, I advise you to ask her forgiveness for what you have said, and as she is merciful perhaps she will pardon you." Arachne stopped her spinning and looked at the old dame with anger in her countenance. "Keep your counsel," said she, "for your daughters or handmaids; for my part I know what I say, and I stand to it. I am not afraid of the goddess; let her try her skill, if she dare venture." "She comes," said Minerva; and dropping her disguise stood confessed. The nymphs bent low in homage, and all the bystanders paid reverence. Arachne alone was unterrified. She blushed, indeed; a sudden colour dyed her cheek, and then she grew pale. But she stood to her resolve, and with a foolish conceit of her own skill rushed on her fate. Minerva forbore no longer nor interposed any further advice.


They proceed to the contest. Each takes her station and attaches the web to the beam. Then the slender shuttle is passed in and out among the threads. The reed with its fine teeth strikes the woof into its place and compacts the web. Both work with speed; their skilful hands move rapidly, and the excitement of the contest makes the labour light. Wool of Tyrian dye is contrasted with that of other colours, shaded off into one another so adroitly that the joining deceives the eye. Like the bow, whose long arch tinges the heavens, formed by sunbeams reflected from the shower,* in which, where the colours meet they seem as one, but a little distance from the point of contact are wholly different.


* This correct description of the rainbow is literally translated from Ovid.


Minerva wrought on her web the scene of her contest with Neptune. Twelve of the heavenly powers are represented, Jupiter, with august gravity, sitting in the midst. Neptune, the ruler of the sea, holds his trident, and appears to have just smitten the earth, from which a horse has leaped forth. Minerva depicted herself with helmed head, her AEgis covering her breast. Such was the central circle; and in the four corners were represented incidents illustrating the displeasure of the gods at such presumptuous mortals as had dared to contend with them. These were meant as warnings to her rival to give up the contest before it was too late.


Arachne filled her web with subjects designedly chosen to exhibit the failings and errors of the gods. One scene represented Leda caressing the swan, under which form Jupiter had disguised himself; and another, Danae, in the brazen tower in which her father had imprisoned her, but where the god effected his entrance in the form of a golden shower. Still another depicted Europa deceived by Jupiter under the disguise of a bull. Encouraged by the tameness of the animal Europa ventured to mount his back, whereupon Jupiter advanced into the sea and swam with her to Crete, You would have thought it was a real bull, so naturally was it wrought, and so natural the water in which it swam. She seemed to look with longing eyes back upon the shore she was leaving, and to call to her companions for help. She appeared to shudder with terror at the sight of the heaving waves, and to draw back her feel, from the water.


Arachne filled her canvas with similar subjects, wonderfully well done, but strongly marking her presumption and impiety. Minerva could not forbear to admire, yet felt indignant at the insult. She struck the web with her shuttle and rent it in pieces; she then touched the forehead of Arachne and made her feel her guilt and shame. She could not endure it and went and hanged herself. Minerva pitied her as she saw her suspended by a rope. "Live," she said, "guilty woman! and that you may preserve the memory of this lesson, continue to hang, both you and your descendants, to all future times." She sprinkled her with the juices of aconite, and immediately her hair came off, and her nose and ears likewise. Her form shrank up, and her head grew smaller yet; her fingers cleaved to her side and served for legs. All the rest of her is body, out of which she spins her thread, often hanging suspended by it, in the same attitude as when Minerva touched her and transformed her into a spider.

Spenser tells the story of Arachne in his "Muiopotmos," adhering very closely to his master Ovid, but improving upon him in the conclusion of the story. The two stanzas which follow tell what was done after the goddess had depicted her creation of the olive tree:


"Amongst these leaves she made a Butterfly,

With excellent device and wondrous slight,

Fluttering among the olives wantonly,

That seemed to live, so like it was in sight;

The velvet nap which on his wings doth lie,

The silken down with which his back is dight,

His broad outstretched horns, his hairy thighs,

His glorious colours, and his glistening eyes."*


"Which when Arachne saw, as overlaid

And mastered with workmanship so rare,

She stood astonied long, ne aught gainsaid;

And with fast-fixed eyes on her did stare,

And by her silence, sign of one dismayed,

The victory did yield her as her share:

Yet did she inly fret and felly burn,

And all her blood to poisonous rancour turn."


* Sir James Mackintosh says of this, "Do you think that even a Chinese could paint the gay colours of a butterfly with more minute exactness than the following lines: 'The velvet nap,' etc.?"- Life, Vol. II. 246.


And so the metamorphosis is caused by Arachne's own mortification and vexation, and not by any direct act of the goddess.


The following specimen of old-fashioned gallantry is by Garrick:


"UPON A LADY'S EMBROIDERY

"Arachne once, as poets tell,

A goddess at her art defied,

And soon the daring mortal fell

The hapless victim of her pride.

"O, then beware Arachne's fate;

Be prudent, Chloe, and submit,

For you'll most surely meet her hate,

Who rival both her art and wit."


*An excerpt from Bulfinch’s “Age of Fable: Vols. I & II: Stories of Gods and Heroes.” 1913.*



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93628 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Regarding Copyrights
Salvete omnes,

I must make an amendment to my announcement of the poetry showcase: NR citizens' original work becomes NR intellectual property UNLESS the author includes a personal copyright in the message body. I admit, I am not well-versed on these matters, so please forgive the oversight. So, anyone who was hesitant to post their work because of the copyright policy need not hesitate any more.

Happy writing!

Valete bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93629 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Tibullus
Along with the commencement of the poetry showcase, and separately, I would also like to present a selection of ancient Roman poetry.

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The True Life (an excerpt)

"Let other men gather bright gold to themselves

and own many acres of well-ploughed soil,

let endless worry trouble them, with enemies nearby,

and the peals of the war-trumpets driving away sleep:

let my moderate means lead me to a quiet life,

as long as my fireside glows with endless flame.

If only I might now be happy to live with little,

and not always be addicted to distant journeys,

but avoid the rising Dog-star’s summer heat

in the shade of a tree by a stream of running water.

Nor be ashamed to take up the hoe at times

or rebuke the lazy oxen with a goad:

or object to carrying a ewe-lamb home

or a young kid deserted by its mother.

Let me plant the tender vines at the proper time,

tall fruit-trees, myself a rustic, with skilled hands:

nor let hope fail, but deliver the piled-up fruits,

and the rich vintage in overflowing vats,

since I worship wherever there’s a stump left in the fields,

or an old stone at the crossroads, wreathed with flowers:

and whatever fruit of mine the new season brings

I set as an offering before the god of the fields."


- Tibullus, Book I: Delia



Make Peace Not War


Who was he, who first forged the fearful sword?

How iron-willed and truly made of iron he was!

Then slaughter was created, war was born to men.

then a quicker road was opened to dread death.

But perhaps it’s not the wretch’s fault we turn to evil

what he gave us to use on savage beasts?

That’s the curse of rich gold: there were no wars

when the beech-wood cup stood beside men’s plates.

There were no fortresses or fences, and the flock’s leader

sought sleep securely among the diverse sheep.

I might have lived then, Valgius, and not known

sad arms, or heard the trumpet with beating heart.

Now I’m dragged to war, and perhaps some enemy

already carries the spear that will pierce my side.

Lares of my fathers, save me: you are the same

that reared me, a little child running before your feet.

Don’t be ashamed that you’re made from ancient wood:

so you were when you lived in my grandfather’s house.

Then faith was better kept, when a wooden god

poorly dressed, stood in a narrow shrine.

He was placated, if someone offered the first grapes

or placed the garland of wheat-ears on his sacred head:

and whoever gained his wish brought the honey-cakes

himself, his little daughter behind, with the pure comb.

Turn the bronze spears away from me, Lares,

and accept a sacrifice of a hog from the full sty.

I will follow in pure clothing, carrying the basket

bound with myrtle, myrtle binding my own head.

So I may please you: let another be brave in war,

and topple hostile generals with Mars’ help,

then he can tell me his military deeds while I drink,

and draw his camp on the table with wine.

What madness to summon up dark Death by war!

It menaces us, and comes secretly on silent feet.

There are no cornfields down there, no trim vineyards,

only bold Cerberus, and the foul ferryman of Styx’s stream.

There, with eyeless sockets and scorched hair,

a pallid crowd wanders by the lakes of darkness.

No he’s more to be praised whom, blessed with children,

a long old age keeps occupied in his humble cottage.

He tends the sheep, and his son the lambs,

and his wife provides hot water for weary limbs.

So let me be, and may my head whiten with snowy temples,

and recall old things from ancient deeds.

Meanwhile let peace tend the fields. Bright peace first

bowed the oxen for ploughing under the curved yoke.

Peace nurtured the vines and laid up the juice of the grape

so the son’s wine might pour from the father’s jar.

Hoe and ploughshare gleam in peace, but rust seizes

the grim weapons of the cruel soldier in darkness.

The countryman drives home from the wood,

himself half-sober, with wife and children in his cart,

but then they summon love’s war, and the woman

bewails her torn hair and the broken doors.

The bruised girl weeps for her tender cheeks, but the victor

weeps himself that his hands were so strong in his madness.

And impudent Love supplies evil words to the quarrel,

and sits indifferent between the angry pair.

Ah, he’s stone and iron, whoever would strike his girl:

that action draws down the gods from the heavens.

let it be enough to have torn the thin cloth from her limbs,

enough to have disordered the arrangement of her hair,

enough to have caused her tears: he’s four times blessed

whose anger can make a tender girl weep.

But he whose hands are cruel, should carry shield and pike,

and stay far away from gentle Venus.

Then come, kindly Peace, hold the wheat-ear in your hand,

and let your radiant breast pour out fruits before us.


- Tibullus, Book I: Delia

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93630 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Sulpicia
Love Proclaimed

At last. It's come. Love,
the kind that veiling
will give me reputation more
than showing my soul naked to someone.
I prayed to Aphrodite in Latin, in poems;
she brought him, snuggled him
into my bosom.
Venus has kept her promises:
let her tell the story of my happiness,
in case some woman will be said
not to have had her share.
I would not want to trust
anything to tablets, signed and sealed,
so no one reads me
before my love--
but indiscretion has its charms;
it's boring
to fit one's face to reputation.
May I be said to be
a worthy lover for a worthy love.


In Sickness

Have you any kind thought for your girl, Cerinthus,

now that fever wastes my weary body?

Ah, otherwise I would not want to conquer

sad illness, if I thought you did not wish it too.

And what use is it to me to conquer illness, if you

can endure my trouble with indifferent heart?


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93631 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Vergil
Georgic I (an excerpt)

What makes the cornfield smile; beneath what star
Maecenas, it is meet to turn the sod
Or marry elm with vine; how tend the steer;
What pains for cattle-keeping, or what proof
Of patient trial serves for thrifty bees;-
Such are my themes.
O universal lights
Most glorious! ye that lead the gliding year
Along the sky, Liber and Ceres mild,
If by your bounty holpen earth once changed
Chaonian acorn for the plump wheat-ear,
And mingled with the grape, your new-found gift,
The draughts of Achelous; and ye Fauns
To rustics ever kind, come foot it, Fauns
And Dryad-maids together; your gifts I sing.
And thou, for whose delight the war-horse first
Sprang from earth's womb at thy great trident's stroke,
Neptune; and haunter of the groves, for whom
Three hundred snow-white heifers browse the brakes,
The fertile brakes of Ceos; and clothed in power,
Thy native forest and Lycean lawns,
Pan, shepherd-god, forsaking, as the love
Of thine own Maenalus constrains thee, hear
And help, O lord of Tegea! And thou, too,
Minerva, from whose hand the olive sprung;
And boy-discoverer of the curved plough;
And, bearing a young cypress root-uptorn,
Silvanus, and Gods all and Goddesses,
Who make the fields your care, both ye who nurse
The tender unsown increase, and from heaven
Shed on man's sowing the riches of your rain:
And thou, even thou, of whom we know not yet
What mansion of the skies shall hold thee soon,
Whether to watch o'er cities be thy will,
Great Caesar, and to take the earth in charge,
That so the mighty world may welcome thee
Lord of her increase, master of her times,
Binding thy mother's myrtle round thy brow,
Or as the boundless ocean's God thou come,
Sole dread of seamen, till far Thule bow
Before thee, and Tethys win thee to her son
With all her waves for dower; or as a star
Lend thy fresh beams our lagging months to cheer,
Where 'twixt the Maid and those pursuing Claws
A space is opening; see! red Scorpio's self
His arms draws in, yea, and hath left thee more
Than thy full meed of heaven: be what thou wilt-
For neither Tartarus hopes to call thee king,
Nor may so dire a lust of sovereignty
E'er light upon thee, howso Greece admire
Elysium's fields, and Proserpine not heed
Her mother's voice entreating to return-
Vouchsafe a prosperous voyage, and smile on this
My bold endeavour, and pitying, even as I,
These poor way-wildered swains, at once begin,
Grow timely used unto the voice of prayer.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93632 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Sulpicia
Salvete,

YOU FOUND SULPICIA?

Yay Thank you Atelle!! 

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93633 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: EDICTUM PRÆTORIUM - Appointment of Scriba
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus in foro S,P..D

I hereby appoint the citizen Tiberius Iulius Nerva, ID #13981, as Scriba Tabularii. He shall perform tasks connected with the maintenance of the Tabularium, specifically revising it, updating it, and, if needed, correct any possible mistakes.

This Edictum is active immediately. No oath is required.

Datum sub mano mea, a.d. VII Id. Apr.  MMDCCLXVII AUC (April 7th, 2014)

Optime valete omnes!
P. Ann. Con. Placidus
Senior Prætor Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93634 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: Featured Content: Roman Poetry Selection - Tibullus
Salvete,

I found the second poem to be most powerful.

Gratias tibi Atelle for sharing!

Valete bene,
Aeternia



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93635 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

While searching through my archives for something written for Minerva.  I came across an old Triclinium Chat I wrote two years ago.  I decided to polish it up and repost it for those that did not get to read it the first time.

Please enjoy the selection.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 


Wisdom's Luminous Moonbeam

It was the first hour of dusk and one could  still see the rays of the setting sun.  The horizon was beautiful,  and Alethia did not want it to end.   Her ship “Ignis Stellae(Star Fire)” was coming in to port, and her attendants would be waiting to escort her.   It was a  normal standard  for Alethia to arrive in New Rome to attend the Ludi.   Usually  excited to attend the games, to visit who are now considered old friends, stop by the Taverna,  make new business deals.  This time she could not shake off the feeling that an extra worry she was now carrying came along with her.  And she was right for this time Alethia had come not alone.
 
While the ship known  as “Ignis Stellae (Star Fire)” made  port,  Alethia made haste to finally de-board the  ship.  Looking  over her shoulder,  she had to make sure that her fellow cloaked companion stayed behind her at all costs.   Alethia decided to head towards The Eagle,  her favorite place in New Rome.  It had been nothing but the topic of conversation that her fellow companion talked about. While their forms of transport was  by litter to their destination.  Alethia was reminded how much that young people could  gab. 

 
 
<<<<<<One hour later
 
There it was standing proud, the marble so polished it shone like glass.  The Eagle, the most popular Taverna in all of Nova Roma.  Which  was just opening up for the night-shift so Alethia knew there would be no crowds.  Alethia knew the schedule by heart so she could afford to have perfect timing.  And perfect timing indeed for tonight's events would surprise her.   While Alethia and her mysterious companion entered the Taverna. The warmth of the fire and the smell of fresh baked bread, gave her an odd comfort.  It also steered her brain for the upcoming introductions.
 
“Alethia!!” Boomed Vinius , the Innkeeper, who grabbed Alethia and gave her a big bear hug eyeing her cloaked companion.

“Vinius!!” Replied Alethia  just as enthusiastic.
 
“You missed the Opening Day of the Ludi, where were you?” 

“I was in Mykonos,  had to pick someone up.” Alethia said nervous.


Without another word between the two individuals, the cloaked figure lifted her hood.   A young woman whose long hair was so blonde it was platinum white, it appeared silver under candlelight, waves upon waves of it.  Vinius could not stop looking at the two women who next to each other.  Same color eyes of the blueish hue , same sun-kissed skin,  except where Alethia was more buxom in figure.  The other was  thinner more lithe, like a flower still growing.  And well of course the hair, for Alethia’s hair was like spun gold.  ‘Silver & Gold’ thought Vinius,  he knew somehow the two women must be relatives.
 
“I see you have brought a true Julia to the Taverna, my dear Alethia.”Vinius said amused.
 
The young girl gave a whimsical laughter, and it came off like the peal of soft bells.
 
“No, she hasn’t ,  Alethia and I come from the same gens.  Don’t we sister?” said the young girl.
 
“Yes, that is correct.  Vinius I would like to introduce to you my younger sister Kyra.” Alethia replied sighing. 

Kyra and Vinius then performed an odd exchange of hand shaking and curtseys.
 
“Mykonos, you say isn’t that Greece?” Vinius asked.
 
“Our family spends six months out of the year there,  Alethia hasn’t  told you?”  Kyra asked. 
 
“ There  have been many things Alethia has not told me”.  

 
Alethia, coughed and said nothing , and she was sure Kyra would explode any  moment  and reveal all sort of things.  She did not want Vinius to know, make that she did not want  *anyone* to know.  She had to think quick and act natural at the same time.  No easy feat to pull off,  alas  Alethia has always been rather resourceful.
 
“Vinius, my sister wishes to perform.  Is there a spot for her on tonight’s schedule?” Alethia asked rather blunt.
 
“Well there is a time slot right now  before Blossom & Ivy.
 
“We’ll take it.” Alethia spoke without hesitation.
 
“But Soror I have not had time to prepare.” Whined Kyra.
 
“Now Kyra, you know how artists work.  They improvise”.  replied her sister and shooed her sibling towards the stage.
 
Daintily Kyra removed her cloak, and approached the Stage, she looked like a wild nymph draped in her Olive green stola.  Poised and confident she approached the microphone.
 
“This is a poem, I composed based upon the myth of Minerva and the weaver Arachne.”
 
Vinius did a good thing and roused the other performers and those who came in to be an audience for  Kyra.   And  what  should’ve been a one note performance, Kyra made it into a song.  It was beyond anything Alethia thought her little sister was capable of. 
 
This is my web,
I weave with utter care,
The thoughts of mankind,
Their hopes, and their despair,
Their sorrow, their  joy, become
 Become drops upon the web,  
I was once human,  
I was once fair,
But in ignorance I did something,
No mortal would dare, 
And the price
I paid in transformation of face,
My body disfigured, 
Even my descendants,
Will carry my curse, my bane, my plague,
Forever to weave,
Forever to watch the dreams,
The dreams of humans,
In a world I no longer share.
 
The crowd applauded with wild fervor, and Kyra squealed in delight and basked in all the praise.  Alethia watched smiling and relieved that her sister’s performance went beyond well.  As Vinius  joined her, handing her a flagon of Falnernian, he only said one thing.
 
“It must run in the family.”  Vinius whispering.
 
Alethia nodded and continued to watch her moonbeam glow.
 
~Finis~

 ©2012 Sta. Cornelia Aeternia 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93636 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767

Salve Aeternia!

 

What a delight to enjoy this again!

 

Vale Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93637 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM- Day 4 Questions
Salvete omnes!
 
The answer submissions will be due in no later than NOON Rome Time on April, 10th.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. ANSWERS FOR ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL NOON ROME TIME ON THURDAY, APRIL 10TH. Answers will not be accepted after the NOON Rome Time deadline, when the answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
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DAY 4 QUESTIONS:
 
31. Who led the delegation sent to initially negotiate the transport of the Goddess to Rome?
32. How many were on the delegation?
33. Where did the delegation go and who did they see? 
34. Besides Rome, what countries were the MM temples primarily located in?
35. What was the name used by the Egyptians to represent the Magna Mater? 
36. What was the name used by the Latins to represent the Magna Mater? 
37. What was the name used by the Akkadians to represent the Magna Mater? 
38. When was the Magna Mater born?
39. Who dedicated the first temple to the Magna Mater in Rome, and where was it dedicated? 
40. When was the first temple to the Magna Mater in Rome dedicated?
 
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Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93638 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Triclinium Chat: Ludi Megalenses 2767
Salve Caeca et Salvete Omnes,

Thank you Caeca!

While applying editing my feles (cat) decided to lend a paw and add some extra words.

Still learning not to edit or write anything when the cat wants attention lol.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93639 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-07
Subject: Calendar Note: Mars
Salvete, omnibus in foro!

The bright object in the eastern sky shortly after sunset is the planet Mars, now at opposition.  (The Sun, Earth, and Mars in approximately a straight line.)  It is in the constellation Virgo, and the bright star a bit to its south is Spica.  The planet shines with a reddish tint and it will not be this bright again for another two years.  Mars will remain relatively bright for the next few weeks.

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93640 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

I acknowledge that lately I have not been living up to expectations as Quaestor, Provincial Governor, or as Sacerdos Martialis.  My word hasn't been kept as it should, and promises have not been fulfilled.  I feel I owe an explanation to those who may have been disappointed in me for my recent failings, particularly our esteemed senior Consul, to whom I promised a job or two that have yet to be completed.

About a month ago, my father passed away.  I haven't spoken of it much to anyone because I haven't really known what to say.  I still don't.  My father and I didn't have much of a relationship at all and I hadn't seen him in over ten years and spoke to him only occasionally.  Still, he was my father, and his passing has left me distracted.  Wondering what could have been done differently.  Wondering how much of the distance between us was my fault and how much was his.  Regretting that I didn't do anything to bridge that gap, and that now I can't reconcile with him.  In any case, at this point the only thing I can do is try to move on.

Though my reasons are, I hope, understandable, the fact remains that I made promises that haven't been fulfilled yet.  I apologize for my lack of attentiveness to my duties, but I offer this explanation so you know that my failure wasn't out of a lack of respect.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93641 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: The discovery of Roman London
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Below is a link to a rather interesting blog post concerning Roman London
and its unearthing.

http://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/the-discovery-of-roman-london/

Enjoy!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93642 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Re: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
Minucia Laterenso sal


It is no easy task to say farewell to your dad. Been there. Other things just end up on the back burner for a while.  You are in my thoughts, and I'm sure thoughts of others in NR..
Don't forget to keep in touch.  My friends here in NR were of great support to me during this very bleak time of my life.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93643 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Fortuna
Salvete omnes,

Yesterday's deity spotlight was on Minerva; but today we turn attention to the Goddess of chance, luck, and fortune.

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FORTUNA: LADY LUCK



Fortuna is the Roman Goddess of Luck, Fate, and Fortune, as Her name implies. She was a very popular Goddess, and was worshipped under many epithets depending on the type of luck one wished to invoke or the circumstances in play. She had many temples in Rome itself, as well as having important cult-centers in Antium (the modern Anzio), a city on the west coast of Italy about 30 miles south of Rome, and Praeneste (modern Palestrina), about 20 miles south-east of Rome, both of which were cities of Latium, the land of the Latini tribes. Her many temples in Rome, and the various aspects of Her worship are a reflection of the manners in which She was honored: from personal Goddess, overseeing the fate of the individual mother, young man, or soldier, to a Goddess of the State, ensuring the fortune of the populace, the luck of the Emperor, or the glorious fate of the entire Roman Empire.

Fortuna was usually depicted holding in one hand a cornucopia, or a horn of plenty, from which all good things flowed in abundance, representing Her ability to bestow prosperity; in the other She generally has a ship's rudder, to indicate that She is the one who controls how lives and fates are steered. She could also be shown enthroned, with the same attributes of rudder and cornucopia, but with a small wheel built into the chair, representing the cycles of fate and the ups and downs of fortune. Sometimes She is blind, as an acknowledgment that good luck does not always come to those who seem to most deserve it; at other times She is described as having wings, much like many Etruscan Goddesses—and indeed She was equated with the old Etruscan Fate Goddess Nortia, who was often shown winged.

The name Fortuna finds its root in the Latin fero, meaning "to bring, win, receive, or get". She may have originally been a Goddess of Fertility, Who brought prosperity and success in the form of abundant harvests and offspring. Her worship in Rome traditionally goes back to the time of Ancus Martius, the 4th King of Rome, who is said to have reigned from 640-616 BCE. According to the propaganda of the time (and the Romans invented an awful lot of it to make it seem that their city had always been destined for greatness, and wasn't just some upstart town founded by a bunch of sheep herders on some hills surrounded by malaria-infested swampland, which it was), when Fortuna first came to Rome, She immediately threw off Her shoes and discarded Her wings, announcing that She'd found Her true home and intended to never leave it.

Alternatively, Fortuna's name may derive from that of the Etruscan Goddess Veltha or Voltumna, whose name encompasses ideas of turning and the alternating seasons. Voltumna in turn may be related to the Roman Goddess Volumna, Who watched over and protected children; and both of these themes are found with Fortuna, who was often depicted with a wheel, and who was said to predict the fates of children at their births. As a Goddess of Fate Fortuna naturally had the power to foretell the future; and under Her aspect of Fortuna Primigenia in Praeneste She had an oracle, in which tablets inscribed with messages were chosen from a jar. She also had an oracular shrine at Her cult-center in Antium.

Fortuna had a very old temple in Rome on a hill between the Forum Romanum (the Roman Forum) and the Forum Boarium (supposedly the old cattle-market), near to the temple of Mater Matuta. Both temples had the same dedication day, the 10th of June, and each had a horseshoe-shaped altar before it of the earliest type. Fortuna's temple had a very old statue of gilded wood inside, also of an archaic type; and the altar and statue indicate that Her worship dates at least to the earliest days of Rome, if She is not an earlier Goddess of the Latins.

The Emperor Trajan (97-117 CE) dedicated a temple to Fortuna, at which offerings were made to the Goddess on the 1st day of January, at the start of the New Year, probably to ensure good luck and success for the coming year. This temple was dedicated to Fortuna in all of Her aspects.

With Greek influence, Fortuna was equated to Tykhe, their Goddess of Luck and Fortune. Under the title Dame Fortune, Fortuna never lost Her power as an allegorical figure—She makes an appearance on card 10 of the Tarot Major Arcana, the Wheel of Fortune, and She is still to some extent honored today, for She features in gamblers' prayers to "Lady Luck".


Taken from thaliatook.com

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93644 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: Re: Daily Deity Spotlight: Fortuna
Salvete,

This brought a smile..

<3 Fortuna!!!!!

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93645 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 5 Questions
Salvete omnes!
 
The answer submissions will be due in no later than NOON Rome Time on April, 10th.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. ANSWERS FOR ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL NOON ROME TIME ON THURDAY, APRIL 10TH. Answers will not be accepted after the NOON Rome Time deadline, when the answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
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Visit the Certamen historicum wiki page at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_MMDCCLXVII_(2767)_AUC_(Nova_Roma)/Certamen_historicum
 
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DAY 5 QUESTIONS:
 
 
41. Who started the construction on the first temple to the Magna Mater on the Palatine Hill? 
42. How long did the construction on the temple on the Palatine take?
43. During the Second Punic War, why was Hannibal resigned to fight his campaign on land, instead of on water?
44. During the First Punic War, what type of ship was invented by the Romans that allowed them to develop a superior navy?
45. What was the name of the device aboard the new ship that allowed the boarding of enemy ships?
46. Where did the Romans get the design from?
47. Where did the design originate from? 
48. In 211 BCE, Hannibal marched his army around the walls of Rome but, undermanned and ill-equipped, did not lay siege to the city.  Knowing that the Carthaginian general looked to Spain for supplies and men, Rome appointed Publius Cornelius Scipio as proconsul with imperium over Spain. What was unusual about his appointment?
49. On the day Hannibal marched around Rome, what activity did the Romans engage in to show their contempt for him?
50. What is the Samothrakian name for Attis?
 
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Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93646 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICUM UPDATE
Salvete omnes!
 
The Certamen is still open for competition!  If you haven't yet had a chance to join in the fun, you still have a chance to win!  ALL submissions for all questions must be in no later than NOON ROME TIME on Thursday, April 10th. Answers will be posted at the link below at that time.
 
You can view the questions given so far at:
 
 
Last minute entries are welcomed!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93647 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Roman Drama: Octavia
Salvete omnibus in foro!

Today I present to you one of the plays by Seneca during the early years of the empire: Octavia.
This is a drama about the emperor Nero, and his wife Octavia. Things take a downturn when Nero divorces Octabia, and marries another, Poppaea Sabina. Also, Seneca himself is featured in the story as a counselor of sorts to the troubled emperor.

Enjoy!

Ti. Cassius Atellus

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LUCIUS ANNAEUS SENECA’S “OCTAVIA”

translated, with notes, by Watson Bradshaw.

London: Swan Sonnenschein & Co., Paternoster Square (1902).



DRAMATIS PERSONAE.    

OCTAVIA.

OCTAVIA’S NURSE.

CHORUS OF ROMANS.

SENECA.

PREFECT.


POPPAEA.

AGRIPPINA.

NERO.

MESSENGER.



ARGUMENT.

CLAUDIUS DRUSUS CAESAR (Messalina, because she had married Silius, being condemned to die—she had borne him (Caesar) Britannicus and Octavia) took to himself, for a fourth wife (he had divorced Urgulanilla and Aelia Paetina before he married Messalina). Agrippina, the daughter of his brother Germanicus, and the widow of Cn. Domitius Aenobarbus Nero, to whose son, he gave his daughter Octavia in marriage. Claudius and Britannicus being poisoned, Nero, then Emperor, divorces Octavia, whom he had always hated, and marries Poppaea Sabina; in consequence of which divorce he had to put down the riots amongst the populace amidst great slaughter, and he orders Octavia to be transported to Pandataria, and there to be slain.



ACT I.

OCTAVIA. [1-34]

Octavia, weary of her existence, bewails her misery.

Aurora, that was shining brilliantly in the heavens, is now forsaking the wandering starry group, and Titan is rising from his Eastern couch, with his radiating flakes of fire, and is giving forth to the world another bright day. Let me pursue the recital of my woes burdened as I am with so many and such great misfortunes, and let me rehearse to thee my oft-repeated plaints, and let me surpass the Alcyons (Ceyx and Alcyon) which give out their dismal notes, as they hover over their aquatic abodes (during the nidifying season) and let me exceed too the Pandionian birds (Progne and Philomela) with my dolorous strains! for my troubles are greater, than ever theirs were—it is always a mother,1 a mother that is the prominent theme in my lamentations, the first cause of my misfortunes, hear then the sad plaints of a daughter—if any sense or feeling is to be looked for in those numbered with the shades; I wish that Clotho had broken the threads of my life, with her venerable fingers, before, ever plunged in the abyss of grief, I beheld the wounds on thy body (Messalina’s) and thy face besmeared with the unsightly blood! Oh! this access of the light of day, it is always distressing to my mind (from the repulsive reminiscences). Light is now more odious to me, than ever Stygian darkness could be, ever since that sorrowful time—I have had to submit to the imperious tyranny of a step-mother,2 her hostile spirit, and her savage glances! It is she, she that, like cruel Erinnys, has imported her Stygian torches and disturbed the harmony of the marriage homestead! And she has destroyed thee. oh! my father a thousand times to be pitied, whom till now, the whole world beyond the very ocean! owed subjection—at whose appearance on their shores, the affrighted Britons fled in dismay; having never before owed allegiance to any foreign conqueror! Ah me! oh! my father, thou art laid low, fallen by the wicked snares of a wife (destroyed by one of the fungi, Boletus, a poisonous mushroom) and thy palace and thy off-spring are under the cruel rule of a tyrant.



OCTAVIA’S NURSE. [35-57]

On account of the sad misfortunes befalling her nurse-child Octavia, the nurse execrates the drawbacks which beset the proud surroundings of life in a Palace.

Anyone that is captivated at first sight by the outside splendor and fleeting advantages of the treacherous palace, can now behold with his own eyes, wonderstruck, and realize what remains of a once most powerful dynasty overthrown on a sudden by the insiduous advantages of adverse fate, and see what has befallen the offspring of Claudius, to whose imperial sway the whole world was once subject, and by whom that Ocean hitherto free, and unnavigated over, was brought under control and was constrained to afford an unopposed passage for our Roman fleets! Think that it was he who first placed the Britons under any foreign yoke, and covered the very seas, before unknown to the Romans, with his fleets, and amongst even such barbarous nations, and such tempestuous seas, he was, at all events, in a state of personal safety! But alas! he fell at last by the wickedness of a wife—presently she will share the same lot at the hands of a son (Nero), and a brother of whom is now lying dead from the effects of poison. (Britannicus was not a brother, by the ties of blood, Nero became a brother by adoption only.) That miserable sister (by marriage only) and likewise wife, is in a deep grief, nor does her restrained anger suffice to conceal her terrible woe—she always avoids being alone with her cruel husband, eschewing privacy, and her angry sentiments are quite on a par with the aversion which the husband entertains towards her! They burn with mutual hatred! The confidence, which she reposes in me, is in some sort a consolation to her grieving heart, but devoted affection is quite useless, in as much as her uncontrollable grief thwarts all my well-intentioned advice, nor can her resolute strong-mindedness, be in any way brought under by my efforts, but she even seems to have acquired increased determination, arising out of the very misfortunes she has undergone! Alas! what wicked crime do my alarms lead me on to foreshadow, would that the kind intervention of the Gods may avert such a climax!



OCTAVIA—NURSE. [58-272]

The Nurse consoles the grieving Octavia, and dissuades her from prosecuting any revenge, which she might be contemplating.


OCTAVIA.

OH! my cruel destiny, to be equalled by none, in the severity of my misfortunes, it may be, Electra,3 that I shall rehearse thy griefs in my own personal sufferings—it was thy fate to have to bewail the loss of a murdered parent, but in thy case, there was a brother in view, to revenge, at some future time, by that terrible crime a brother, whom thy affection snatched away from the sword of the enemy and to whom thy fidelity gave its sheltering protection: but my fear for the consequences hinders me from even outwardly bewailing the loss of my parents, who were snatched away from me, by the cruel hand of fate; it forbids me, too, to bemoan the death of a brother, in whom my one, my only hope was centred! There was a brief interval of consolation afforded me amidst such great misfortunes (while the brother Britannicus lived), but now, forsooth, I am handed over alone, with no brother to look forward to, to my own bitter grief, and thus I remain only, now, as the shadow of a once great name!


NUR. Alas! a sorrowing voice has struck my ears! and why should I, although affected with the tardiness of old age, hesitate to hasten with quickened steps to the bedchamber of Octavia?
OCT. Trace these tears to their proper source, Nurse, thou art the one faithful witness of my grief.
NUR. What day will ever arrive, oh, thou one to be pitied, which will rid thee of thy troubles?
OCT. What day (dost thou mean) will arrive? (Is it) the day on which I shall be packed off to the Stygian Shades?
NUR. I beseech the Gods, may such an unpropitious day as that, then, be a long way off!
OCT. Unfortunately, thy wishes, Nurse, have no influence over such troubles as mine, but the Fates have!
NUR. Surely a merciful deity will vouchsafe better times for the one afflicted as thou art; but thou hast calmed thyself down somewhat, just try and prevail on thy husband’s susceptibilities, if he has any, and assume a bland, obsequious demeanour towards him.
OCT. I shall have to overcome, first the savage lion of the plains, and the fierce tiger of the jungle, before I can subjugate the adamant heart of the tyrant Nero.—The fact is, he has an instinctive hatred to start with, of any one descended from an illustrious race—he despises alike, the ignoble herd of mankind and the Gods above as well, nor has he received anything at the hands of fortune, but what a cruel parent has heaped upon him, as the proceeds of aggravated crime; although he is ungrateful enough to be ashamed of ever having received anything from that cruel mother, he has, nevertheless, taken upon himself, the dominion over this empire, and although, in return for such a great gift, he hands her over to be assassinated! But a woman will long hold the credit for her share in the transaction, even after her death, and it will continue to last for many a long year in the minds of the people.
NUR. Restrain the expressions of thy angered mind, weigh with care the words thou sufferest to escape thy lips.
OCT. Although I may patiently suffer these things, and appear to tolerate them, my misfortunes can never be brought to an end, but by the sad alternative means of Death! What with a murdered mother—a father snatched from me by a wicked crime—robbed of a brother—overwhelmed with all kinds of misery and grief—hateful in the eyes of a husband, and exposed to the insolent authority of a subject,4 it cannot be supposed that I can enjoy my life vastly! My heart is perpetually in a kind of tremble, not from the fear of death, but from the possibility of some crime being committed! May I, however, never be fated to perpetrate one! It would please me to die, and the punishment of death itself could not be more dreadful to bear, especially by me in my miserable state, than having to encounter the angry and murderous looks of that tyrant (Nero) and then to have to exchange kisses with a downright enemy, which I know him to be, so as to dread his very nod! Whose caresses my inward grief could not permit me to entertain, and after that fate of my brother’s, who fell a victim to his crimes, and whose very empire he has usurped, and who glories in having been the author of that impious slaughter! How often is the tristful ghost of my brother brought before my mental vision, when a state of bodily repose relaxes my tired frame, and sleep invades the lids so wearied with weeping—Sometimes the ghost arms its feeble hands with funeral torches, and aims its blows at the eyes and face of his brother, (Nero was a brother by adoption only) who, in a state of alarm takes refuge in my couch—the enemy still pursuing him, and making a rush at him, as he is clinging to me, passes his sword through my side! Then the tremors come over me, and an intense dread drives away further sleep and my grief is renewed, and the alarms, as to my own miserable fate, return to me in force.—Then add to this—that insolent concubine (Poppaea) shining forth bedecked in all the finery which our palatial home affords her; to gratify whose whims and caprices, that son has caused his own mother to be embarked on board an unseaworthy craft, veritably only one meant to reach the Stygian banks! (that is, one which meant destruction, that would easily fall to pieces through the action of the waves, and be wrecked) and that mother whom, after the craft had become a wreck, and the difficulty of the waves had even been surmounted, he slew with his sword, and which proved to her a more cruel enemy than the waves of the sea! What prospect of safety dost thou think there can be, and security for me, after such a crime as that? That hostile woman, that Nero-conqueress, Poppaea is like some tempestuous cloud, hovering over my matrimonial bondage, and is burning with her hatred towards me, and she is now requiring at the hands of a husband, the life of a legitimate wife, as the price of her infamy! Oh my father, be thou emerged from the Stygian streams, and grant aid to thy daughter, or the earth being opened up, bring to my view that Stygian gulf, into which I would, myself, fain be borne headlong!
NUR. In vain thou invokest the Manes of thy father Oh! thou art much to be pitied—in vain I repeat, as amongst the manes, there is no anxiety with them, as to the offspring they left behind them (allusion is here implied to the Oblivion induced by Lethe), and he could prefer one of an alien race, to his own son, his own flesh and blood, and who took to himself by an incestuous marriage, a wife who was the daughter of a brother, has intermingled the race, by a most deplorable and unpropitious nuptial knot! Hence it is, that a whole series of crimes has been the outcome—murders—wholesale treacheries, the terrible grasping for power and that thirst for the cruel shedding of blood! The same day that the son-in-law of Claudius, Silanus, fell a victim, thy father’s marriage with Agrippina took place, lest he should be found to gather greater influence in consequence of thy marriage! Oh! that intense piece of wickedness! Silanus5 was presented to that vile woman, Agrippina, as a sort of wedding present and that noble young Roman stained with his blood his own paternal household gods, having been falsely accused, by a trumped up charge of fictitious crime! Woe is me! The arch-enemy has now entered the palace to which access has been gained by the treachery and wiles of a woman, and he that has been made a son-in-law of the Emperor Claudius, in the same way that he has been constituted a son by adoption, a young man of a most cruel disposition and capable of any crime, for whom that mother of his ignited the nuptial torches and joined thee by the marriage knot, although thou fearedst, and wast averse to such a union, and that ferocious woman, who accomplished whatever she set about, with great success, has actually dared to shed her imperious will over the cherished destinies of the very world! Who can describe the many forms in which crime has been served up, and the diabolical ambition of that woman, and her smooth, unsuspected treachery, whilst she is seeking to gain imperial power through every gradation of crime. Thus it is, that Piety with all its sacred associations quits the scene, in trembling horror! and thus cruel Erinnys, with all her ill-boding, advances into the palace to take her vacant place! She has defiled the sanctity of our household gods with her Stygian torches, in her fury, she has broken down the institutions of Nature herself, and set every human law at defiance—a cruel wife has prepared the poisoned bowl for a husband, and she, herself, has perished afterwards by the hands of a son—and thou also, Britannicus, hast been deprived of thy life, to be bewailed by us for ever! Oh! unhappy boy, till lately the great star of the Universe, the prop and mainstay of the Imperial Augustan Dynasty (the Caesars). Oh! Britannicus! woe is me! thou art now only a collection of flimsy ashes, and a tristful shade! For whom, be it said, even thy cruel step-mother shed a few tears, when she gave up thy body to be consumed on the funeral pile, resembling as thou didst, the winged God himself, (Cupid) in thy shapely form and comely face—the greedy flames, however, took all that away! Octavia!
OCT. And let them extinguish me in like manner, lest the tyrant fall by my hand.
NUR. Nature has not endowed thee, with such strength, as to enable thee to carry out such a threat.
OCT. Long continued grief, anger, heaviness of heart, misery of soul, lamentations would supply me with the necessary strength I should think.
NUR. No! rather subdue that fierce man, by wheedlings and caresses.
OCT. That I may induce him to restore to me a brother of whom he has deprived me by a cruel crime! Dost thou mean that?
NUR. No, not that; but that thou, thyself, might be in a state of security, that thou some day might build up the shattered dynasty, of which thy father was the dignified head, with thy own off-spring.
OCT. The palace of the Emperor is expecting another arrival in the shape of offspring, the cruel fate of my miserable brother will soon drag me towards a similar end.
NUR. So favorable is the feeling of the citizens towards thee, that this fact goes far to conform my hopes.
OCT. Yes! it is a good thing, to have one’s misfortunes pitied, but that does not remove nor even lessen the incubus resulting, therefrom—(the weight of troubles).
NUR. The power of the populace is great.
OCT. That, however, of an Emperor is greater.
NUR. But he surely will have some regard for a wife.
OCT. No! a concubine will stand in the way of that.
NUR. But it is granted, that she is odious in the sight of all the people.
OCT. But she is held dear by Nero.
NUR. She is not a wife as yet, remember!
OCT. But she will soon become one, and a mother as well!
NUR. Juvenile ardour, thou must remember, burns only as long as the early impressions operate, which called it forth, nor does it last long, ever, with these unlawful amours, it passes off like some flickering flame—on the other hand, the love of a chaste wife is an enduring possession—she is, as thou art aware, only the first who has ventured to violate the sanctity of thy marriage-bed, but this rival of thine, although a subject, has possessed the affections of thy husband for a long time—it is an old love affair—but this same woman is now evidently, more submissive and more subdued in her manner, as if she feared that some one else might be preferred to herself (lest in like manner, another may be preferred to herself as she, herself, was to Octavia), and she shows this by various indications, by which, as if tacitly confessing it, she openly portrays her fears! And the winged God (Cupid) may leave her in the lurch, let her beauty be never so transcendent, or however proud she may be of her wealth of physical attractions—all this sort of thing amounts to a very limited lease of human enjoyment. The Queen of the Gods herself, has, aforetime, undergone grief similar to thy own, when Jupiter, the lord of the heavens, and father of the Gods, changed himself into all kinds of shapes, and when, at one time, he assumed the plumage of a swan (to gain the better of Leda), at another time, he donned the horns of the Sidonian bull, (when he carried off Europa) then again, the same Jupiter has fallen upon another, as a golden shower (when he introduced himself to Danaë). The constellations of Leda are now shining in the heavens, Bacchus is duly installed in his father’s Olympian kingdom and Alcides possesses Hebe as a wife, now that he has been made a god, nor does Alcides any longer fear the anger of Juno, whose acknowledged son-in-law he is now, having married Hebe, but who was formerly considered in the light of an enemy! However, the wise submissiveness of an exalted wife like Juno, with her dissembled grief, has completely overcome the temper of Jupiter, and the mighty Juno reigns supreme in the ethereal marriage couch of the Thundering Jove! Nor does Jupiter, now desert the palaces on high, captivated by mortal beauties; and thou, Octavia, art another Juno, although a terrestrial one, thou art the sister and wife of an Augustus. (The emperors at that time assumed the title of “Augustus.”) Conquer therefore thy troubles as Juno did.
OCT. Let the stormy seas seek cordial companionship with the stars and let fire mingle with water, let the very heavens descend and take the place of grim Tartarus, let balmy light amicably join hands with hideous darkness, and bright clear day ally itself with the dewy night, before my mental tenderness could harmonize with the impious disposition of that wicked husband of mine. I am ever mindful of my murdered brother, I wish that the ruler of the heavenly gods would make ready to cut short with his lightnings, the terrible life of that cruel emperor—that deity, who so often shakes the earth with his frightful thunderbolts and terrifies our very souls with his awful igneous displays and novel wonders (fresh prodigies). But I have witnessed of late a blazing phenomenal splendor in the heavens,6 a comet that has exposed to my view its ominous fiery torch, (tail) just where slow-moving Boötes, stiff as it were with the Arctic cold, drives his wagon at each turn of the night continually; behold, the very atmosphere seems polluted with the horrible breath of that cruel ruler. The angry stars actually seem to be threatening the people with some fresh disasters, whom that impious potentate holds in domination. Not so bad was it, even, when the indignant earth formerly became a parent, and brought forth a ferocious Typhoeus, when Jupiter was not so much looked up to, as he is now—this present monster is worse than any Typhoeus ever was, for he is in addition, the avowed enemy of the gods and of mankind alike, for he has expelled all the deities from their temples—he has driven away the citizens from their native land, and robbed my brother of his life—he has drawn the life-blood of his own mother—and is he not still allowed to behold the light of heaven? and, moreover, does he not seem to enjoy his vile existence and drag on his noxious life? Alas! Oh! thou supreme father of all, why dost thou, invincible as thou art, hurl thy lightnings, oftentimes, so harmlessly from thy regal hand? Why does thy hand hesitate, to hurl them with efficacy upon one so guilty as is Nero?—I wish that Nero could be made to pay the just penalty of his crimes—he (an adopted son of Dion Domitius, his adopting father) is the very tyrant of the universe, which he takes care to oppress with an ignominious yoke! he fairly contaminates and compromises the very name of Augustus, with his vicious tendencies and confirmed immoralities!
NUR. He is altogether unworthy, I am free to confess, of being married to a woman like thee, but is it not better, dost thou not think, to bow to the Fates (the inevitable) and to go on hoping for some favorable change on the part of fortune (chapter of events). My nurse-child, I beseech thee to ponder over all this and take it to heart and never excite the anger of thy violent husband—perhaps some avenging deity may crop up (exist) who will come to thy aid, and may that auspicious day arrive!
OCT. Already our dynasty is under the ban of oppression through the severe anger of the Gods—first, when cruel Venus stepped in and impregnated my wretched mother with those lustful desires, who, ignoring us, her children (in a state of sexual madness, nymphomania) and though, already married, contracted an illicit matrimonial union with Silius (a sham marriage), thinking nothing at all about the husband she had already, and not troubling her head in the slightest degree, as to the lawlessness of such a proceeding. With her hideous locks, hanging loosely, duly surrounded with their serpents, that avenging Erinnys was present at this veritably Stygian marriage ceremony, and only extinguished the nuptial torches, to be seized upon for the purpose of future blood-shedding! For it inflamed the outraged breast of the Emperor, with such murderous wrath, as to culminate in the cruel slaughter of my mother, and thus my unfortunate parent fell a victim to the sword, and her death has overwhelmed me with never-ending grief! As the consequence of all this, she has dragged in her train, her husband and her son, to the shades below! And has handed over our dynasty to its downfall!
NUR. Do refrain from a renewal of thy grief, and of those tears, which I know thou only sheddest out of affection for the Manes of thy parent, who has undergone a heavy punishment for her mad conduct!

CHORUS. [273-376]

The Chorus being in favor of Octavia, looks with detestation upon the marriage of Poppaea, and condemns the degenerate patience of the Romans, as being unworthy, too indifferent and servile, and inveighs against the crimes of Nero.

WHAT report is this, that has just reached our ears—we wish that if such a story be wrongfully believed, although it may have been so industriously, canvassed abroad, and in such a purposeless manner, that it may not meet with any future credence—let not a fresh wife, usurp the marriage-bed of our empress! let the wife sprung from the loins of Claudius still reign supreme, over her own household gods! And may she, by a happy child-birth, bring forth those guarantees of peace, which the tranquil universe will hail with joy, and let Rome preserve its everlasting glory (among nations). The mighty Juno has drawn a prize in the lottery, of fortune, and now shares the couch of her husband, and brother, in absolute security and why should not the sister of Augustus, (that now is) having reconciled her matrimonial feud, do the same thing! Why is she to be driven away from her paternal palace? If that is the case, what does her devoted piety (moral observances) profit her? What good has the having possessed Divus for a father done for her? What good has her virginity done her? And what earthly use has her chaste modesty been to her? But we are all forgetful of what we once were, since the death of our emperor, whose race we are inclined to ignore in a manner, owing to our fear of that Tyrant Nero! Once upon a time, there did exist the Roman type of bravery amongst our ancestors, and the genuine progeny of Mars, and the true racial blood flowed in the veins of the men of bye-gone days! They drove out, without the smallest hesitation, haughty, insufferable kings from their cities! And they nobly avenged thy manes, oh! Virgin thou! (Virginia) who wast slain by the hands of a parent, lest thou shouldst undergo an odious slavery, or that cruel lust should carry off victoriously its wicked prize! Sad war, too, followed on after thee, oh! thou daughter of Lucretius, so much, to be pitied, who was sacrificed by thine own hand, after having been ravished by a cruel tyrant (Sextus Tarquinius). At the hands of our outraged ancestors Tullia, the wife of Tarquinius, was punished for her cruel crimes—she who wickedly drove her cruel chariot over the body of her murdered father, and who, although a daughter, denied the accustomed funeral pile to the mutilated remains of the old man! Our own time, even, has witnessed an abominable crime, when the emperor, treacherously seizing upon the person of his parent, had her conveyed in a Stygian Craft (that is one meant for the purpose of destruction) across the Tyrrhenian Sea; the sailors receiving their orders, hastened to leave their tranquil harbours, and the waves soon resounded with the plash of their oars, and the craft shoving off, was quickly borne upon the sea, and which from the force of the waves soon springs a tremendous leak, letting in the sea, the hull giving way on account of the looseness of its timbers, and it ships a heavy sea! A great shout, thereupon is raised towards the sky, mixed with female cries, and cruel death, in various shapes, is now wandering before their eyes, each one seeks to escape from a watery grave—some in a state of nudity clung to the planks of the shattered craft, and with their aid, ply the waves successfully—others reach the shore by swimming—many are immerged, and hurry to their fate into a deep sea! Augusta (Agrippina) rends her garments, tears her hair, and deluges her face with her sad tears after a little. There is no prospect of safety, and burning with inward rage, and although fairly overpowered by the disaster, she exclaims: “Oh! my son, is this the reward, for the benefits I have lavished on thee? I am indeed worthy of having been caused to embark in such a craft, who have brought thee into the world and who have given thee thy very life, and in my motherly weakness have handed over to thee the proud name and empire of the Caesars! Oh! my husband, show thy face from out of the Acheron, and feast thy eyes on the punishm

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93648 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Roman Children's Games
Salvete omnes,

This is a double feature: It includes descriptions of games that Roman children used to play (under "Ancient Games & Activities"), as well as children's games which are Roman-themed (under "Online Games"). Some of these were also enjoyed often by adults all across Roman territories.


Ancient Games & Activities:

1. Swordfights with wooden swords (or sticks)
2. Catch mice and harness them to miniature chariots (My favorite!)
3. Play with figurines (like action-figures)
4. Rota: A Classic Game of Ancient Rome (Like Tic-Tac-Toe)
http://greekgeek.squidoo.com/rota-roman-game
5. Tesserae (Dice)
http://www.aerobiologicalengineering.com/wxk116/Roman/BoardGames/tesserae.html
6. Latrunculi (Strategy game like chess or checkers)
http://www.aerobiologicalengineering.com/wxk116/Roman/BoardGames/latruncu.html
7. Mancala
Online Games:

A collection of Roman-themed online games and quizzes
http://rome.mrdonn.org/games.html

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This is just a start to games kids (& adults) can play, but I wish you lots of fun!

Valete optime.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93649 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - Day 6 & Final Questions
Salvete omnes!
 
The answer submissions will be due in no later than NOON Rome Time on April, 10th.
 
DO NOT POST ANSWERS TO THE LISTS
 
Please forward your answers to:     lvtriarius AT yahoo DOT com
 
Rules:
 
1. One point will be awarded for each correct answer.
2. For detailed questions and answered, 1 extra bonus point may be awarded to the contestant with the most comprehensive answer, covering all the required parts of the question.
3. ANSWERS FOR ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL NOON ROME TIME ON THURDAY, APRIL 10TH. Answers will not be accepted after the NOON Rome Time deadline, when the answers will be posted on the NR wiki.
4. Winners will be announced on April 10th.
5. The Curule Aedile is the final authority in any disputed answers, and may refer the decision to another for clarification.
 
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Visit the Megalesia 2767 wiki page at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_MMDCCLXVII_(2767)_AUC_(Nova_Roma)
 
Visit the Certamen historicum wiki page at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_MMDCCLXVII_(2767)_AUC_(Nova_Roma)/Certamen_historicum
 
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DAY 6 AND FINAL ROUND OF QUESTIONS:
 
 
51. According to Ovid in his Metamorphoses, what tree was the favorite of the Great Mother, since in this tree Attis Cybeleius doffed his human shape and stiffened in its trunk?
52. According to Telestes, who were the first to sing to the pipes the Phrygian tune of the Mountain Mother beside the mixing-bowls of the Greeks? 
53. According to Ovid and Pliny, where do the Galli get their name, since Gallia is so far from Phrygia, and why should one stay away from it?
54. On her procession upriver from Ostia to Rome, at what ancient name place, a bend in the river Tiber, did the procession anchor and spend the night? 
55. At the intersection of the Tiber and what other river did the priest stop the procession and bathe the Mistress and her emblems in the water before proceeding onward to the city?
56. Once reaching Rome, what did the goddess ride through, enthroned in a cart, her ox-team strewn with fresh flowers, before she was received into the city?
57. Where in Phrygia was a temple was believed to have been built to her by the Argonauts?
58. What is the surname of Cybele, which she derived from the town of Pessinus in Galatia?
59. Who was the wife of Maeon and mother of Cybele?
60. According to Seneca in Troades, when the Phrygian guest, Paris, touched at Grecian Amyclae, and the waves were cleft by the pine sacred to mother Cybele, his ship was made of pine cut from where?
 
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Good Luck to all the contestants!
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93650 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Activity Recap
Salvete,

Thus far the ludi have included the certamen historicum, parody contetst, poetry showcase, and triclinium chat. All of these are still open, as of today. The certamen will close today, and all the others listed will end tomorrow.

Those who have any further entries in the works for these activities are encouraged to finish and present them. Thank you to all who have participated so far: Enjoy the remainder of the ludi Megalenses!

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93651 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Re: Activity Recap
Salvete omnes!
 
 
Yes, as Atellus said, it's not too late to join in the activities!
 
In the famous words of Briscoe Darling on the Andy Griffith Show:
 
"Just jump right in there and hang on!" 
 
Valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:10 PM, Tiberius Cassius Atellus <ti.cassius.atellus@...  
Salvete,

Thus far the ludi have included the certamen historicum, parody contetst, poetry showcase, and triclinium chat. All of these are still open, as of today. The certamen will close today, and all the others listed will end tomorrow.

Those who have any further entries in the works for these activities are encouraged to finish and present them. Thank you to all who have participated so far: Enjoy the remainder of the ludi Megalenses!

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93652 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Muse

The gods saw fit to send me a gift,
One of their own whose soul radiated music.
Every quaver, every rest a special warmth.
Vibrating strings, echoing wood.
It was perfect, and so I loved.

Then the gods felt their loss.
Mercurius dispatched on mission,
Discordia, negating magic
with a false double-edged note.
Muse to the gods returned, and so I mourn.


© C Claudius Quadratus 040814
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93653 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-09
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus

Salve Quadrate et Salvete omnes!

 

That is lovely!!!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93654 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Salvete,

Very lovely!  I love the last line especially.

"Muse to the gods returned, and so I mourn."

That was just powerful.

Good job Quadratus!

Valete bene,
Aeternia 


 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93655 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Roman Drama: Octavia
Salve Cassius Atellus et Salvete Omnes,

This took me back to my early days of college.

I must say I am impressed with your choices of plays and written works for this Ludi.

Good job!

Vale et Valete bene,
Aeternia 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93656 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Explanation for my lack of attention to duties
Salve Laterensis et Salvete Omnes,

I know I responded to this on the BA.  But I will respond here as well.

I extend condolences to you and your family during this sorrowful time.

Grief is something that must run its course but albeit do not let it consume you.  

Everyone handles grief differently.  

Be strong Laterensis like Centurion strong.

And thank you for giving an explanation.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93657 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Consul Aeternia
Bellona’s Interlude
2/04/2012


I sat within the marbled cave,

I sat with both my spear and shield,

My eyes looked upon the battlefield,

The bodies of the fallen both old and young,

As a new dawn arises, come what may,

I think upon Roma dearly,

While soft gales bring forth stronger winds,

And shake the fields of Elysium,

Twas hard to speak of the images before me,

To break the silence of a chilled morning,

But harder not to praise such a victory,

The war that was waged, as my rage was forged,

Sharp, glistening, and deadly,

I'll seek my spoils at this morning early,

And join the bold and the favored few,

While soft gales shake the laurel leaves

None are sought to be planted,

As we collect our dead,

My horn gleams yearning to be played,

From out the wild forests, you hear my horn playing,

Ringing, saluting, and in true mourning,

Winter comes early, as frost wreathes my heart,

And across my chest comes my shield,

While soft the gales comforts the horns blaring,

 

As the springs make rustling sounds,

I summon the rivers to flow,

To cleanse the ground and make green again,

What was the gore stained ground,

As nymphs wept and bid farewell,

The souls of the departed dead,

My vengeance knew no boundaries,

While the soft gales quieted the gathering storm,

My immortal heart is left pounding,

I've taken solace within this cave,

And laid my spear and shield down,

Others will soon follow suit,

As we prove to be victorious,

We arise to a new morning,

While nymphs wept for the fallen dead,

The soft gales whispering silent warnings.

 

©2012 Sta. Cornelia Aeternia (aka Tragedienne BelleMorte)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93658 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Ludi Megalenses Closing Ceremonies Live Broadcast
Salvete quirites omnibusque aliis!

We are soon coming to the end of the Megalesia celebration, and the closing broadcast will be airing at 3 PM Utah time (MDT, -6 UTC), or 11 PM Rome time (CEST, +2 UTC) today, Thursday the 10th.

To start, I will be sharing some thoughts on the Ludi, and reviewing some of the events & activities that took place. Afterwards, there will be an open Q&A/social session for audience participation. Unfortunately, only viewers with a youtube account will be able to post comments. Once the broadcast has concluded, the video will remain on my channel for later viewing.

Here is the link to the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJmJndvJ7bs

I hope too see many of you there!

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93659 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Bellona
Salvete omnes,

An interesting fact that has not been mentioned as each deity has been spotlighted: During a dies ater (dies atri for plural), people were forbidden from speaking or writing the names of certain deities! However, hose names would depend on the day.

Today let us turn our attention to Bellona, the goddess of war!

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BELLONA: GODDESS OF WAR



Bellona is the Roman Goddess of War, closely associated with Mars, the Roman War-God. She is invariably His companion, although She can be called His wife, daughter, sister, or charioteer. Her origins are probably Sabine (an ancient tribe from the lands north-east of Rome), and the Claudii, a Sabine family, are credited with instituting Her worship. Her temple was built in the Campus Martius, the low-lying field by the Tiber consecrated to Mars, located outside of the city walls. The area around Her temple was considered to symbolize foreign soil, and there the Senate met with ambassadors, received victorious generals, and there war was officially declared. Besides Her temple was the columna bellica, or war column, representing the boundary of Rome. To declare war a javelin was thrown over the column by one of the fetialis, a type of priest involved in diplomacy, and this act symbolized the attack on a foreign land.

Bellona was believed to inspire a warlike frenzy and enthusiasm (much like that of the Norse berserkers), and Her earliest sacrifices are said to have been human. The worship of the Anatolian Goddess Ma, who is of a similarly martial nature, was brought to Rome by Sulla where She was assimilated to Bellona, and called Ma-Bellona. Her priests were called the Bellonarii, and during the rites to Ma-Bellona they mutilated their own arms and legs, collecting the blood to either drink or offer to the Goddess to invoke the war fury. In later times this act was toned down to become merely symbolic. These rites took place on the 24th of March and so accordingly that day was called the dies sanguinis ("day of blood").

Bellona had several shrines and temples in Rome, though most are known only from inscriptions referencing them, as well as a temple in Ostia, the port city of Rome. In 48 bce, a shrine to Ma-Bellona was accidentally destroyed when the demolition of the temples of Isis and Serapis in Rome was undertaken; within the ruins of the shrine were found jars containing human flesh, said to be evidence of the orgiastic nature of Ma-Bellona's worship and to link it with the Egyptian religions, though how I'm not sure, unless perhaps the jars were functioning as the so-called canopic jars that housed the internal organs of the dead in Egyptian funerary practice.

Bellona is usually shown in a plumed helmet and armor, armed with sword and spear and carrying a shield; sometimes She carries a torch with a blood-red flame. She is described as loud and active, barking orders or war-cries, Her weapons clanging as She runs. She is credited with inspiring violence, starting wars, and goading soldiers into battle; Virgil described Her as carrying a bloodstained scourge or whip. She was believed to make wars and battles go well for those who invoked Her. Her name comes from the Latin for war, bellum, and Her original feast day was June the 3rd.

She is identified with Nerio and Vacum (both Goddesses of Sabine origin, like Bellona). Ma, or Ma-Bellona is a Goddess of Cappadocian origin (a region in Anatolia, modern Turkey) who was identified with the Italian Bellona, and for whom a seperate temple was built in Rome.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93660 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Consul Aeternia

Salvete omnes!

 

I loved this the first time I read, and I love it now.  The picture of a contemplative Belona, at peace, if only for a moment and filled with thought of war, is so startling, it is absolutely entrancing!

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93661 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Salve, Caeca!

Thanks.  I'm glad you like it.

Vale!
Quadratus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: c.mariacaeca@...
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 23:14:43 -0400
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Poetry Showcase: Quadratus

 

Salve Quadrate et Salvete omnes!

 

That is lovely!!!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93662 From: Lucius Vitellius Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES 2767 - CERTAMEN HISTORICUM - RESULTS
 
Salvete omnes!
 
We have reached the end of the Certamen with the following results:
 
Congratulations goes out to all those who participated in the Certamen historicum, with special congratulations to the following winners:
 
  • 1st Place: C. CLAVDIVS QVADRATVS
  • 2nd Place: SEX. LAELIA MACRA
  • 3rd Place: JOHN L. BARBATO
 
Thanks to them for their hard work!
 
The answers can be viewed on the following page:
 
 
 
Optime valete,
 
L VITELLIVS TRIARIVS
Aedilis curulis
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93663 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Quadratus
Salve, Aeternia!

Thanks.  The very first poem I scribbled beyond school assignments was "Roman Bubbles" so I guess both Nova Roma and you share accountability Emoji

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: syrenslullaby@...
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 21:33:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poetry Showcase: Quadratus

 

Salvete,

Very lovely!  I love the last line especially.

"Muse to the gods returned, and so I mourn."

That was just powerful.

Good job Quadratus!

Valete bene,
Aeternia 


 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93664 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
(No Title)

I am the tool; the sacrifice:
My essence flows from me
In every breath to be replaced
With his brilliant, divine essence.
I fall gently back into Golden arms,
A dream of adoration, of more beauty
Than the soul can hold.  Words flow
Through me, my voice, but not my mind.
I do not know them, will not remember them,
They are not for me, but for one who comes
Seeking the wisdom of Great Apollo.
I am the tool; the sacrifice: each breath
Takes a bit of my life with it, and I know
How my usefulness will end.  I will be replaced
But, while I serve, this is my life, my joy, my love.

Copyright C. Maria Caeca 2013
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93665 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Beautiful poem of Maria!

VALETE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93666 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca

Salvete Omnes!

 

First, Gratias tibi ago, Sabine!

 

And, um … oops … I forgot to include the title, which is The Pythia

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93667 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Roman Astrology

Astrology in Ancient Rome


After Alexander the great invaded and conquered Persia during 331-330 B.C. Alexandria, founded by the emperor Alexander, became one of the most famous of the Hellenistic capitals. Hellenistic kingdoms were established throughout south-west Asia and north-east Africa. It paved way to the entry of Greek culture and language into these new realms and large number of Greek colonies started creeping in. Different cultures came under one rule for the first time. In spite of the fact that these people belonged to different sects, the Babylonian tradition and culture were predominant in the entire kingdom. The various esoteric aspects of Egyptian and near-eastern culture such as astrological, astronomical and philosophical were in a sense fused,  blending the systems of astrology of these regions.


About 250 BC, a large number of common Roman citizens became interested in astrology. However, posing logical arguments against astrology such as "People born on the same day at the same time have very different destinies," and "People born on different days at different times sometimes die at the same time," the conservatives tried to subvert the spread of it among the believers, and several attempts were made to expel all astrologers from the empire. Despite this, spread of astrology into Rome could not be stopped. Eventually, astrology was accepted because of the fact that Romans had certain respect for the Greeks' education. By the time Alexandria started to decline, the scientific revolution was drawing to a close, and astrology was accepted and believed by almost everyone. Thus, the Romans perpetuated the art largely via the public mind and gradual cultural integration, apart from the substantial work of some astrologers such Nigidius Figulus, Lucius Taruntius Firmanus, Marcus Manilius, Julius Firmicus Maternus, Paulus Alexandrinus etc.


Claudius Ptolemy, a Roman citizen of Egypt and believed to have been born in the town of Ptolemais Hermiou in 90 A.D, is considered as the father of modern Western astrology. Western astrology arose out of the astrological writings of Ptolemy. "Tetrabiblos", developed by Ptolemy is perhaps the most important surviving ancient text on Astrology. Tetrabiblos was originally a Mathematical Treatise. This work of Ptolemy constituted the basis for the modern astrology that is being practiced in the West. It consists of four books and each dealt with different aspects of astrology. First one shows his vehement emphasize for the need not to abandon astrology, because he felt the need to defend it in view of the strong opposition it was facing at that time. In addition to this, the alignments of the planets, the moon and the sun with clear description of their favourable and unfavourable positions were included and explained. Even though his hypothesis that the Earth stood fixed at the center of the universe, with Sun, Moon and other planets whirling around it was later disproved, this theory is still followed for the calculations of positions and movement of the celestial bodies. Ptolemy systematized the study of planets, stars, houses as well as the signs of the zodiac.


The facts about the signs have also been explained in his written works. Ptolemy, as was in olden days, paid importance to the astrological effects concerned more with the races and countries than with the individuals. In his second book, the astrological influence of the planets on different countries are vividly portrayed. He has also explained how the position and the movement of planets and celestial bodies affect the weather on the earth. The third book concentrates on astrology concerned with individuals. Ptolemy suggests that time of conception of the concerned person would be preferable to the time of his birth for determining the rising sign, the moon's phase and movements of the planets. This perception is not acceptable to many because the time of conception of a person is not easy to ascertain and they adapt only time of birth for the purpose. Sun and Saturn are considered as father's influence and Moon and Venus as of mother's.


The particular angles of various planets were used to find out matters relating to matters of occupation, marriage, children, travel etc. The fourth book deals with these subjects. Different forms of astrology as we know it now have evolved from the very nucleus of the Tetrabiblos, of course, with very few modifications. The precession of the equinoxes has not been given its due importance by Ptolemy and this lapse is considered as another biggest flaw in his work. In spite of many errors and misconceptions the Tetrabiblos has proved invaluable even until now. Though many developments took place and many systems of astrology have been evolved, Ptolemy's contribution to this field is commendable. It is imperative to mention that Romans stand to share the credit by accepting astrology into their culture, despite the fact that it had to face a frantic opposition from the contemporary old school of thought.


The manner in which Ptolemy set the functions of each of these elements is being followed as a set of rules even now. He invented tropical zodiac which is a zodiac of signs marked by the vernal equinox. This solved the problem of precession and the occurrence of two zodiacs viz. the zodiac of constellations and the zodiac of signs. He bears the credit for propounding the geocentric theory that prevailed for over 1400 years only after when it was accepted that the earth was itself another planet orbiting around the sun. He died in Alexandria around A.D 168.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93668 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Daily Deity Spotlight: Diana
Salvete omnibus in foro!

On this, the final day of the Ludi Megalenses, we remember the goddess Diana, the huntress and patron goddess of women.

_________________________________________________________________________________


DIANA: GODDESS OF THE WILDS


Diana (whose name simply means "Goddess") is the Roman Goddess of the wild places who protects women and girls, especially virgins. Like the Greek Artemis, with Whom the Romans identified Her, She loves forests and the hunt, is the patroness of childbirth, and is associated with the light of the moon. The Romans recognized three aspects of Her--as the moon Goddess, they called her Luna; as an underworld Deity of magic, Hekate; and as the huntress Goddess, Diana.

On the shores of Lake Nemi, a famously beautiful lake in a volcanic crater not far from Rome, Diana Nemorensis ("of the Grove") had a temple in a forest on the lake's shores. Her priest at this temple became so by plucking the golden bough (a branch covered with the sacred mistletoe) from the wood and then killing the former priest in single combat. In his turn, however, he too could be slain by another.

In Gaul, She was identified with Nemetona, "Goddess of the Sacred Grove", and considered the consort of Mars. She was also associated with Nemesis, the Greek goddess of Fate, and in this aspect is shown with an apple bough and cider bowl. Diana's feast day is August 13th.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93669 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses Closing Ceremonies Live Broadcast
Salvete omnes,

This is a final reminder of the closing broadcast for Megalesia, starting at 3 PM Utah time, or 11 PM Rome time.
Please invite friends and family to watch over twitter, facebook, G+, etc. It'll be fun!

Gratias vobis ago.

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93670 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca
Salvete!

Beautiful, devotional and appropriate to the coming of Spring.  Within NR, Caeca is not replaceable.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com; ForTheMuses@yahoogroups.com
From: ti.cassius.atellus@...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:21:25 -0600
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca

 

(No Title)

I am the tool; the sacrifice:
My essence flows from me
In every breath to be replaced
With his brilliant, divine essence.
I fall gently back into Golden arms,
A dream of adoration, of more beauty
Than the soul can hold.  Words flow
Through me, my voice, but not my mind.
I do not know them, will not remember them,
They are not for me, but for one who comes
Seeking the wisdom of Great Apollo.
I am the tool; the sacrifice: each breath
Takes a bit of my life with it, and I know
How my usefulness will end.  I will be replaced
But, while I serve, this is my life, my joy, my love.

Copyright C. Maria Caeca 2013

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93671 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: Poetry Showcase: Maria Caeca

Salve Quadrate!

 

You are too kind, Sir!

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93672 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: 2nd Broadcast for the Yanks
Salvete,

The closing broadcast for the ludi took place earlier today, and I know of a few people who were unable to join and participate in it. So, for that reason, I am hosting a second, less formal broadcast for the sake of those people. However, anyone who wants to view and/or participate may do so.

It will begin at 9 PM MDT, and will follow the same basic form as the other.

Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ22IgUmK6w

Hope to see you fellow-Yanks there!

Curate bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93673 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Re: 2nd Broadcast for the Yanks
Salve Atellus,

I will be in attendance.  I will also send APB's on my FB page to those who are citizens.

Vale bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93674 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-10
Subject: Yank's broadcast
Salvete,

Those who are available to watch the 2nd broadcast today are invited to do so. I apologize, as I was tardy in starting the broadcast, but it is running as I type, so please join!

Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ22IgUmK6w

Valete bene.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93675 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Some military history to read with morning coffee
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

Below is a link that describes one of the major battles of Julius Caesar's
Gallic campaigns.

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/html/the_battle_of_alesia.html

Enjoy!
Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93676 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Heavenly Event
Salvete, omnibus in foro!

This is a reminder about the heavenly event to take place on the night of April 14 - 15, 2014.

Here is a little story to mark the event.  The precise nature of what is to happen that night is described in the story.

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus
Augur

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Dies Vita Pueri  (A Day in the Life of a Boy)

Fortuna was not a nice lady today, giving Quintus a hard time in that annoying way she reserves for seven-year-olds.  You know what I mean: a missing stylus, a sweet dropped into a puddle, a twisted ankle from tripping over a paving stone, obnoxious bully-taunts, ad nauseam.  The kind of day that makes a child want to just lie down and crawl away into another universe.  We all have such days,  but the mature can shrug off irritants that seem so overwhelming to such as Quintus.  What had he done to deserve it?  To Fortuna, sometimes mere existence is enough.

Having survived the vicissitudes of a long day at school and his assigned chores, and finally at rest in his bed cuddled up with his very own purring cat, Quintus noticed big, bright Luna rising in the east.  It was such a beautiful sight he could not resist her charms and stared intently.  Quintus was well on the way to that land of forgetfulness where bad memories are purged and strength reborn.

But wait!  What was happening to his precious Luna?  A chunk was missing from her left side.  And the hole was growing.  "By the gods, Luna, what's going on?"  Instead of lapsing into blissful sleep, fear struck his heart.  "Mamma," he cried out, "Luna's being eaten."  It seemed the end of the world.  Claudia came running in response to his screams and held him tight.  She had seen such events before but he had not, so her reassurances failed to quell growing terror as more and more of Luna was turning black.

Then the brightness vanished completely replaced by the color of blood.  Quintus's tears flowed and there was nothing Claudia could do to restore calm.  But she knew this trial would pass so she added gentle melody to his anguished cries and waited with a mother's patience.  Finally, after a seemingly endless interval, a spark of brilliance appeared at Luna's left and started to grow.  Claudia wiped away her son's tears and watched with him as Luna's beauty was slowly restored.  At last she returned to her full brilliance and Quintus felt renewed confidence.  With the calm, Quintus suddenly felt very tired.  Sleep was possible again; the world was not ending.

A flash of insight enters into the subconscious of the falling-asleep child.  Troubles may come, but then they go.  A dark period gives way to light. 

A little boy smiles in his sleep.


© C Claudius Quadratus  11 April 2014

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93677 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Parody Entry #1
Dedication

An unfortunate thing happened on the way to the Forum.  Our Censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, after a hard day's work tabulating census points and composing pithy emails, stopped in at his favorite watering hole to unwind.  A stranger engaged him in pleasant conversation regarding the finer points of Etruscan grammar and offered him a drink.  The olive therein was gulped down whole.  What the unlucky magistrate did not know was that, instead of a pit, the olive contained an airtight capsule into which had been embedded some metallic sodium.

Eventually, the stomach juices did their work and the sodium, as it is wont to do, exploded - with fatal results.  The story, headlined by Drudge, was reported 'round the world and the tributes and memorials have been pouring in.

With that in mind and with mournful contemplation, I offer the following song lyrics:

There'll be no open casket for you.
They'd take one look and spew.
Ol' Mort did his best,
But 'twas too much a mess,
So there's no open casket for you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93678 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Re: Parody Entry #1

Salvete!

 

Hmmm …can’t help but wonder what the Drudge headline was for *this* story!

 

Valete bene!

C. Maria, thinking … thinking … thinking … ah!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93679 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Parody Entry #2
Le Dominus awakens...

As the last ray of the sun sinks beneath the horizon, in a room draped with
heavy velvet curtains, flute music begins to softly play.  Draperies of the
finest silk begin to move, then flutter to the lush Oriental carpet from an
intricately carved marble bier.  A personage of impressive dignitas and
gravitas sits up, looks around, and steps from his bed. He attires himself
in the clothing that has been carefully arranged for him, assures himself in
his 8 view mirror that all is well, and walks slowly into his sumptuous
study.

"Minion! Are you ready for dictation?"

There is movement in a dark corner of the large room, and a small,
malformed individual steps forward, then falls to his knees, touching his
forehead to the floor.  "Oh, Most exalted imperator, puppet master, greatest
of con."

"Enough, fool!  Get up.  How can you write in that position, idiot? Besides,
you keep forgetting I'm not ruling one of those Eastern empires at the
moment, and Romans, even Nova Romans, prefer to cling to the myth that have
a say in their Government. You will just use one of my titles. Hmmm.
Divus Julius will do, I think."

"Yes, oh most exalted *ugh* Divus Julius." How may the worthless Igorus
serve you?"  Igorus stands up, looking adoringly at his master.  "May I say,
my exalted Dominus, that your outfit is astonishingly becoming? You look
marvelous in that black tuxedo with the black silk shirt, black velvet
cravat, red cummerbund and the matching rose in your buttonhole.  I wasn't
sure this would work, but on you, it is truly awesome! I have your toga
ready, my Lord, should you wish to stroll in the Forum."

The great man waves his hand dismissively. "First, we have work to do, and
then I am hungry. Then I suppose I'll have to put on my toga and mingle
with the Patrician rabble for a little while. Take this down."

Igorus scrambles through his pockets and comes up with tablet and stylus.
"Yes, Master!"

This is to be a Senatus Consultum Ultimum. "Be it resolved that all
Magisterial and priestly pointy hats are required to be shorter than mine,
and, furthermore, that only my pointy hat may have a point.  All other
pointy hats must have their points clipped.  This SCU is effective
immediately, and is retroactive over the past 12 years. Anyone found to
have been guilty of non-compliance, or who fails to comply with this SCU will
be covered in oil, set alight, then hurled from the Tarpeian rock to provide
a fireworks display for the unwashed masses to enjoy."

"Put that into the correct language, and have it on my desk within 10
minutes. I'll present it to the Senate for the next session.

"Yes, Master. Now, do you wish to consider your evening meal?"

"It's morning for me, stupid. What do you have for me?"

"Well, Master, I've got 5 of the Head Count from which you might like to
choose, and one tax payer who dared to question your absolute wisdom and
authority"

"Hmmm... I'll look at the Capite Censi, I think.  No need to detract from our
revenue flow. I don't want to hear the CFO whining."

"Shall I bring them in, or would you like to see them in their holding
cell?"

"I'll go to the cell. I don't want anyone messing up my space."

The great leader strides into his formal audience chamber, where a new
citizen (a lovely, lithe young woman, with golden hair and dressed in a
translucent tunica and stola, is carefully polishing the cabinet of finest
carved crystal objects d'art. "Well," purrs the great man, pausing in the
doorway. "What have we here? This looks like a very tasty little
appetizer."

"Yes, Master, but she is a tax payer."
"What class?"
"Four, Master."
"Hmmm. Let me see the database." They return to the study, and the great
man sits before his computer. "This *is* unfortunate! It appears that she
is the only trained crystal polisher we have at the moment. How does this
happen, Minion? I've told you and told you, you must have no less than 5
Plebeians trained to perform each and every menial task!"

"We did, Master, but you found the last 4 to be excellent appetizers, and
we just don't have enough citizens left to train."

"Well, get busy, Chappy, and get us some new members! Let's see who we can
put into this position"

"Igorus looks over the great man's shoulder. "Hmmm... we do have Caeca. She's
not head count, but..."

"Ridiculous.  She'd probably run into the cabinet and destroy the entire
collection. Besides she is valuable only for paying her taxes on time and
because she's so easy to ignore." Very well. We'll keep the little crystal
polisher for a while longer. Let's go to the cells. My hunger grows.

At that moment, the study door opens and admits a togate magistrate in a
hurry.

"Salve!  I've just had a great idea, and I want you to tell the Senate to
let me do this!"

The great man stands up, slowly.  "Ahhh, Curule Aedile.  How nice to see
you, Amice. Come closer, Amice". With that, the great man smiles slowly,
fangs glistening in the candle light.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93680 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-11
Subject: Re: Parody Entry #2
Salvete,

I must say this is was quite humorus and very creative.

Kudos to the writer!

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93681 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Parody Contest Results
Salvete omnes,

We, the judges, have cast our votes, and have reached a consensus: The winner of the Ludi Megalenses parody contest is...

Gaia Maria Caeca!!!

Congratulations, Caeca!
The runner up to Caeca was Gaius Claudius Quadratus, with a very creative and entertaining parody.

Thanks to Caeca and Quadratus for playing! It was worthy entertainment, for sure.

Valete!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93682 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Re: Parody Contest Results

Salvete!

 

I'm shocked!  Absolutely shocked!  But, um, thank you very much!  Actually, it was fun to write, and even more fun to work out in my head.  My congratulations to Quadratus for a fine parody too, and ... my admiration to the parody posted on another list.  Had that one been entered, there would have been another winner, (grin).

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca (waiting for the gladius to fall on her neck ... )

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93683 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-12
Subject: Re: Parody Contest Results
Salve, Caeca et Salvete omnibus

Congratulations, Caeca, you earned the victory.  We need to encourage more participation!! 

Vale et valete!
Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93684 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2014-04-14
Subject: Politics and religion in ancient Rome.


 

Politics and religion in ancient Rome. 

SALVETE!

A work by John Scheid:
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In ancient Rome, the State did not meddle in the private religious lives of its citizens, even though the gods were part of the community and lived among them. The Roman religion accepted diverse forms of worship – provided that they did not seek to impose transcendence. In this essay John Scheid restores to the Roman religion its immanent and physical attributes.

"Politics and religion in ancient Rome" by John Scheid.

Gods among men

Henri-Irénée Marrou wrote that an historian must always know the meaning of the words he uses. Religion and politics are two terms so familiar to us that we might presume they meant the same thing in Rome that they mean to us today. And yet politikos aner is not a politician, but a man imbued with a sense of community, of the life of the polis. Applied to public life, the term “political” meant more “politician” than “politics.” In the 19th century, people had a penchant for comparing the ancient Greeks and Romans to the contemporary bourgeois, but that representation has lost currency since then.

The Roman conception of religion was even further removed from ours. This term, which was used by the Romans sometimes to mean scrupulous compliance with rules of ritual and sometimes to mean the link between human beings and the gods, has indeed nothing to do with our conception of religion, which implies revelation, transcendence, the Creation and Creator as well as the individual’s concern for the salvation of his immortal soul. Revelation, holy scriptures and dogma were alien to the Roman religion, and religious services did not include readings of sacred texts or sermons. There was no religious instruction, except in the form of passive attendance at a rite celebrated at home by the head of the family or in the forum by a magistrate. Man was not a god’s creation, and the idea of a creator did not even play any part in the religion. That is why a concept like “religiosity,” so dear to Friedrich Schleiermacher, which was supposed to represent a universal religious attitude, does not pertain to Rome, even if historians in the 19th century and much of the 20th century accepted this viewpoint born of Protestant theology. The Roman gods were created like human beings and, like them, were to be found in this world, but do not appear anywhere as their creators. Relations between gods and humans were also different in the Roman world. Relations which the Romans designated as being religious or determined by religio – meaning a sense of a relationship and obligation to the gods – are not about metaphysical life, but solely about physical life. The Greeks, who were like the Romans in worship as well as speculation, believed one could not know anything about the nature of the gods, about the lives they led in the hereafter, and the ultimate goal of mortals was not to join the gods there. To be sure, there were philosophical circles that sought union and familiarity with the immortals – as did practitioners of magic, though for different ends –, but they were very few and far between. On the whole, the Romans did not ask these questions in the practice of their ancestral religion. Beginning in the 2nd century AD, they would eventually get to know religions that were based on the pursuit of an afterlife, but the period I am discussing precedes these contacts and the spread of these ideas.

To the Roman mind, all beings form communities, whether political or private. And on earth the gods are part of these communities, whatever form the latter may take. To appreciate the gulf between Christian-type religiousness and Roman piety, it will suffice to consider that it was human beings who put the gods in a community, and not the gods who chose that community. A god could reveal himself to mortals and demand that he be heard and welcomed, but he needed the assent of the human community to be admitted into it. The gods’ interlocutors in every case were in fact the worldly authorities: executive magistrates (elected for one year at a time), priests, heads of families, annual presidents of associations and clubs etc. The question of the ties between politics and religion can be approached from several different points of view, depending on the entity under consideration: the family, neighborhood, trade association or city-State.

State Indifference to Religions

To gage the status and sway of religion in public affairs and in government, we should focus on Rome’s public life, as this is what we know most about. The State did not meddle in the private religious lives of citizens. The religious authority within the family was vested in the paterfamilias, who served as both celebrant and priest. He officiated over all family religious services, sometimes assisted by his wife or those to whom he delegated this power, e.g. a slave overseeing one of his estates. Neither Roman priests nor magistrates were authorized to interfere with private religious life – as long as it did not disturb law and order. If it did, the ensuing intervention was not for religious reasons, but to uphold law and order. There were sometimes points of contact between priests and families, with regard to sacred properties of burial grounds), for example. If a private person made an offering in his own name in a place of public worship, i.e. belonging to the city-State, that offering was legally private and would not be deemed public property. The community would show due respect for the object offered unless it had need of the place where the offering was deposited, in which case the priests would decide to remove it. The necropolis registers were handled by the pontiffs, even if the latter could not, in their capacity as priests, take part ex officio in a burial or funeral service. These services were performed by the fathers or sons of the family. So it is wrong to think that the pontiffs, for example, oversaw the religious practice of citizens the way Christian priests do. The Roman religion was not a universal religion celebrated identically everywhere and for everyone. In Rome each cult was distinctive, and those not under the direct responsibility of the city-State were beyond the priests’ control. This is why we talk about the religions of Rome in the plural. There was no Roman religion in the singular.

Like “religion,” “public” is an ambiguous term. In Latin this adjective, publicus, means the same thing as the genitive of populus, i.e. “of the people.” So whatever is “public” belonged or pertained to the people. And the Populus, the People, is what we should call the State. The Roman State is the Populus, or better yet the S(enatus) P(opulus)Q(ue) R(omanus), the “Senate and the Roman People,” or the res publica populi Romani, “the res publica of the Roman People.” Hence, contrary to common practice since the 19th century, we should avoid positing an opposition between public and private as what takes place “in public” versus what takes place within the privacy of the family. Just as public acts could be carried out in private homes, private actions could be performed in public spaces too. What counts in distinguishing between the two is the involvement of the State, or the People, to put it in Latin terms.

Like all earthly communities, the State, the Roman People’s Republic, had godly partners: Jupiter, Juno, Minerva, Mars and so on. The story of how these gods came to Rome varies: the gods may have always been there or they may have been admitted at a recent date. They all had the same mission, however: to take part in the political, i.e. institutional, lives of Roman citizens and help them through the vicissitudes of their lives on earth. The gods’ interlocutors among the community of citizens were mainly the Roman magistrates: consuls, praetors, aediles, later the emperor, too – in a word, those who held executive power. Most of the religious services were celebrated by the annually-elected magistrates, and religious decisions, including those regarding theology, were made by the same magistrates advised by the Senate. Hence the assertion that the sacerdotal function was more widespread in Roman society than in a Christian-type religion. All those entrusted with authority exercised this function to different degrees. The priests were actually specialists in sacred law who also had certain ritual tasks to perform. The pontiffs, for instance, were specialists in religious holidays and ancestral cults, in sacred property and the conduct of priests, and officiated at a number of traditional holidays. They also took part in the consecration rites by which a consul, who actually played the leading role in the ceremony, would transfer a piece of human property to the category of the sacred (sacrum) – yet another word that continually gives rise to misunderstandings. Through this act of sacred law, the consecrated object entered into the category of “property which belongs to nobody” (res nullius), along with such public facilities as the forum, the basilicas and the public baths. This sacred property was placed at the exclusive disposal of the divinity concerned. So in Rome the sacred was a legal category, and not the earthly manifestation of a transcendental reality.

Citizen Gods

The priests controlled the legality of public consecrations. Furthermore, each sacerdotal collegium had its area of expertise, by dint of which it attended the magistrates’ councils and the Senate: the soothsayers were tasked with consulting the gods, deemed a mandatory precaution before reaching every major public decision; they also held the privilege of controlling the proceedings of the people’s assemblies and assessing any ominous signs they may have discerned, on which grounds they could simply adjourn the assembly as they saw fit. These divinatory actions testified to the involvement of the gods, especially Jupiter, the most political of them all, in public decision making and their assent to whatever decisions were taken. Without this legitimization, which the Romans regarded as favorable auspices, no important public act could be passed. And as it was also a matter of politics in the current sense of the word, it was fair and square to make use of divine assent to impose one’s will. The rites were, in other words, a political weapon. Just as auguring through observation of ritual chickens almost invariably resulted in a favorable omen, the right of obnuntiatio (objecting by announcing a contrary augury) could block the decision making process in cases of serious conflict. So each antagonist had a divining weapon at their disposal in the political debate. Like the announcement of an adverse omen, e.g. a thunderclap in calm weather when no lightning had struck, the mechanical side of chicken auguries consisted more of a prayer involving the gods in deciding the matter at hand in the manner desired than in any empirical observation.

It is on this basis that Roman religion has been characterized as political and decadent. However, this depiction is based on a misunderstanding. The Roman religion was indeed worlds away from 19th-century “religiosity,” and some Roman politicians did indeed go too far. But the most infamous abuses occurred in times of acute crisis, of simmering or outright civil war. This game was part and parcel of the very nature of the religious institution. It was a way to involve the gods in the political game. To be pious it was enough to be right, which meant not to meet with a calamity after a decision reached in this manner, for the gods could always manifest their omnipotence to let it be known that the bounds of basic respect had been overstepped. At base, they participated in political life in the same way the Roman people did, that is to say in a generally passive way. History shows that not a single bill proposed in the Roman assembly was ever thrown out: if a consul who was submitting a bill could glean from preliminary deliberations that it would be strongly opposed, he would withdraw it without giving the majority an opportunity to air their views. And when the assembly was voting on a bill or to elect a magistrate, the voting was stopped as soon as the requisite majority of favorable votes (in the so-called centuriae) was reached. Within this poll-tax based system, only the social elite voted in an effective manner (each centuria had only one vote). As a result, the annually-elected magistrates held near-absolute power over both the citizenry and the gods. This concentration of power is doubtless one of the secrets to the solidity of Roman power, even though it was neither a dictatorship nor a monarchy. This principle also explains why the people would now and then rise up in revolt or secession, and why the gods would have allowed the catastrophic defeats at Cannae and Lake Trasimene during the Second Punic War.

Nevertheless, after these conflicts, concord among the citizens and pax deorum, “peace with the gods,” were reestablished. The system itself was not called into question, at least not its religious side. For the gods, which I call “citizen gods” after Tertullian’s dii municipes, “fellow citizen gods,” conformed in their relative passivity to the image the Romans had of them. They wished to be honored on earth, with honors affecting every sphere of life and, particularly in the forum, political debates. Concomitantly, the immortals did not wish to terrorize mortals or, more precisely, the Romans would not put up with being terrorized by them. This human hubris may well have been an upshot of Rome’s triumphant imperialism, but the fact remains that the gods had to abide by the social pact of the Roman community: no-one could punish or maltreat a citizen thereof without a trial and conviction. A Roman citizen could not be humiliated by anyone, not even Jupiter. The only thing citizens sometimes agreed to, at the behest of the consuls and the Senate, was to do the rounds of the temples and kneel down before the local titular divinity as a sign of gratitude or supplication, depending on the context.

Gods and Citizens: Partners in the Roman Community

There is a fine myth concerning the ideal relations between Romans and their supreme deity, Jupiter. It is set at the beginning of Roman history. Romulus has founded Rome, but the city and its divine partners are still feral and lawless. Romulus’ successor, Numa the wise man, establishes justice between humans and religion to show regard for the gods (N.B. religion gave the gods their due, a relation equivalent to justice). But Jupiter continues to terrorize the Romans. So King Numa, who was the model statesman in the Roman tradition, fair, thoughtful, calm and intrepid, confronts the All-mighty to ask what must be done to appease him. Jupiter, who is in a facetious mood that day, tricks him by demanding a human sacrifice: the execution of a citizen, for no offence and without trial, at the mere behest of a fellow citizen. The king remains undaunted by Jupiter’s bouts of terror and succeeds in neutralizing the chief god’s every demand, transmuting them into harmless rites that are carried out using plants or fish. Jupiter puts an end to the confrontation, expressing his satisfaction with this little man capable of conversing with the gods without being deterred from the basic tenets of the city-State system, and pledges his future patronage. This dialogue and the behavior of the two protagonists represent the justification for the divinatory consultations and the way the Romans treated their gods. This sort of speculative narrative gives us a sense of what, in the eyes of the Romans, was the nature of the bond with the gods as expressed by the word religio: a close bond between mortals and immortal partners, though with certain guaranties to safeguard human freedoms. For the whole edifice of the city-State was built on freedom both inside and outside of Rome. Let us not mistake the Roman State and society for a democracy, let alone a model democracy. It was an oligarchic landowners’ regime, as were most Greek city-States, which did not keep them from observing certain basic rules, including that of freedom. Their religion was determined by their conception of freedom, which would not allow a fellow citizen to undergo humiliation or subjugation unless he’d been formally indicted and condemned.

What the public cult expressed daily was also manifest in Roman family life and in the administrative life of associations and clubs of all sorts. Everywhere, religion was part and parcel of collective conduct informed by the principles of politics. Through religion, citizens, family members and association members found a place in the order of things, a place that made them earthly partners of the gods and protected them against any intervention by the gods. They were not obliged to submit blindly to a divinity. Moreover, the Roman religions did not require any explicit act of faith, and there was no oversight of any kind, no clergy comparable to that of the Christian religions or Islam. All told, there were only about two hundred priests in Rome, and most of them had a single task, which was to officiate at a single feast. The pontiffs, who were clearly the most important priests, were about twenty in number at the beginning of the Common Era, when the number of Roman citizens exceeded four million! The Roman religions were ritualistic and their only “faith,” so to speak, consisted in practicing those rituals, or at least not forswearing or impeding the practice thereof. In fact, it was this sort of forswearing that triggered the anti-Christian pogroms and repression by the authorities in the 2nd century and especially from the 3rd century on.

Religious Practice, Guaranteed Freedom of Conscience

So one could say that Roman religious practice guaranteed freedom of conscience. The Romans could think what they pleased of their gods and religion, though not during religious practice. They discussed it at meetings and in debates, they read books about religion. But that was a cultural activity of no religious import. Problems arose only if they rejected the ancestral religious traditions of the city-State, family, neighborhood etc. Or when they co-opted religious practices in order to exercise control over the minds of the celebrants, as was the case in the scandal of the Bacchanalia, the Dionysian groups that made use of terror and spectacular mises-en-scène to enthrall the minds of the youth. Or when sorcerers claimed they could coerce the gods into helping their patrons and harming their foes.

This conception of the relationship to the gods and personal religious behavior was able to develop under Roman imperialism, which forced the Romans to live side by side with foreign individuals and communities, whether or not they had Roman citizenship, within the same political and social structures. What simplified the religious question was that everyone was supposed to have their divine partners, to honor them in their own way, as well as participating in tributes to the Roman gods if the individual became a Roman citizen. This was not merely a side effect of Roman imperialism, however, but a fundamental element of the Roman civic tradition. And beyond that, most of the religious systems of the Roman world fit this model, whose origins lay in the thought of the city-State, of the polis, which began in the 8th century B.C. and subsequently spread through the Mediterranean world. As most of the city-States and communities in the Roman world belonged to the same religious universe, this religious coexistence did not pose any problems within the Roman Empire, at least not before the spread of religious communities that rejected this brand of coexistence and were based on a different interpretation of Jewish monotheism. The first Christians did not all take a radical approach, and they lived with other communities just as the Jewish communities had in the big cities of the Roman world – despite the terrible uprisings in Judea. It was only when part of the Roman elite chose to enlist their new god in political conflicts that a development began, which was to change the world.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93685 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2014-04-14
Subject: Politics and Religion in Ancient Rome by John Scheid:


A work by John Scheid:
--------------------------

In ancient Rome, the State did not meddle in the private religious lives of
its citizens, even though the gods were part of the community and lived
among them. The Roman religion accepted diverse forms of worship - provided
that they did not seek to impose transcendence. In this essay John Scheid
restores to the Roman religion its immanent and physical attributes.




 


Bene Valete
  Marcus Prometheus.        
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93686 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Ancient fashion news
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

While an interesting article, I think there was at least one significant
error. Anyone spot it? Also, a lot was omitted. Can we fill in some of
those gaps?

http://www.italymagazine.com/featured-story/romans-what-they-wore

Have fun!
Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93687 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Reminder from the Prætura
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

I would like to remind everyone, and especially the civis Marcus Prometheus, that copyrighted material, such as newspaper articles, excerpts from books, etc., even if found freely available on the Internet, should not be posted in the Main List or any other official fora, except as permitted by 'fair use'.
In view of this, the civis Prometheus is strongly advised not to post such material on the Main Nova Roma List or on any public ML any longer. Should such an incident happen again, he shall be moderated.

Optime valete omnes,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus
Senior Prætor Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93688 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura

C. Maria Caeca Publio Anneo Constantino Placido Praetori Omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

 

If I may intrude for a moment, Praetor, let me explain a bit about the concept of “fair use” when considering copyrighted material.  This provision allow for quoting brief passages, (usually a few lines or maybe one paragraph) for such purposes as a review of a book or article.  It does not allow quoting whole sections or chapters of a book, or an entire article.  My own rule about such things is, if I have doubts as to whether to quote something, I choose not to do so.  The internet solves this problem elegantly for us, though, since all we need do is provide a general description of the material under consideration, then provide the link where that information can be found.

 

Vale quam Optimé!

 

C. Maria Caeca

Scriba Praetoris

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93689 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Marcus Aurelius
Salvete!

For those interested in stoicism or in Marcus Aurelius, these lectures are
excellent, and I recommend them! You might also want to examine this blog,
too, if you haven't.

http://www.stoicismreborn.com/blog/lecture-vidoes-marcus-aurelius/#content

Enjoy!
Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93690 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Ave, 

Not to throw logs into the fire, but isn't this the same message that was posted on the CP list by the Pontifex Maximus?

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Apr 15, 2014 5:46 AM, "cmc" <c.mariacaeca@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93691 From: Scipio Second Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Ave Omnes,

"Fair use" is an exception granted by copyright law.   It is the doctrine which permits the limited use of copyrighted material without permission of the owner of the copyright.   In the U.S. "fair use" includes use of the material in commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving, and scholarship.   Full credit to the author (and owner, if different) of the copyrighted material.

Valete,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Quaestor
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:46 AM, cmc <c.mariacaeca@...  
C. Maria Caeca Publio Anneo Constantino Placido Praetori Omnibusque in foro S. P. D.
 
If I may intrude for a moment, Praetor, let me explain a bit about the concept of “fair use” when considering copyrighted material.  This provision allow for quoting brief passages, (usually a few lines or maybe one paragraph) for such purposes as a review of a book or article.  It does not allow quoting whole sections or chapters of a book, or an entire article.  My own rule about such things is, if I have doubts as to whether to quote something, I choose not to do so.  The internet solves this problem elegantly for us, though, since all we need do is provide a general description of the material under consideration, then provide the link where that information can be found.
 
Vale quam Optimé!
 
C. Maria Caeca
Scriba Praetoris


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93692 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Ave Amice,

Do you believe that the part of the material that was posted was a violation of Fair Use? 

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93693 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2014-04-15
Subject: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salvete, quirites!

I have recently had the great pleasure of discovering, through conveniently accessible and well-organized genealogical records, that I am descended from several noble Roman families, including several emperors. While I'm sure that's not really something I can claim as unique or even rare, I am nevertheless satisfied that I have uncovered real and solid ties to Roma Antiqua. I now know I have a true and literal heritage with its roots in the glory of the Eternal City.

Now that I have personally experienced how meaningful this is--to find such a precious connection to the ancient world--I think it will be a wonderfully meaningful thing for other Nova Romans to likewise trace their lineage back to the Roman empire or beyond.

We as Nova Romans claim to be the spiritual successors of ancient Rome, which claim I think is beyond the rest of the world to deny: The claim is legitimate simply because we claim it. But even deeper than that, I suspect that most of us, if not all, can actually reconnect ourselves with Roma Antiqua through ancestral bloodlines. Nova Roma is already the successor to ancient Rome; but now that succession is more than a matter of intention and emulation. Now it becomes a matter of history, ancestry, and heritage.

My ancestors wore the toga, and the stola; they lived the Mos Maiorum; they wrote of things in heaven and on earth; they left an undying legacy that even in our day has not lost its potential to improve the world all over again.

To those who belong to Nova Roma, as well as to those who are here out of curiosity: I urge you to search out your family history, and discover your heritage. Remember that when Rome was young, they claimed greatness because they were descendants of the Trojan hero Aeneas and the nobility of Troy. We too, as a new nation, can similarly take strength and nobility from our lineage.

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93694 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salve Cassius Atellus,
 
I also do genealogy. Who is your Roman ancestor?
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 

To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com; BackAlley@yahoogroups.com
From: ti.cassius.atellus@...
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 17:57:41 -0600
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ancient Roman Ancestry

 
Salvete, quirites!

I have recently had the great pleasure of discovering, through conveniently accessible and well-organized genealogical records, that I am descended from several noble Roman families, including several emperors. While I'm sure that's not really something I can claim as unique or even rare, I am nevertheless satisfied that I have uncovered real and solid ties to Roma Antiqua. I now know I have a true and literal heritage with its roots in the glory of the Eternal City.

Now that I have personally experienced how meaningful this is--to find such a precious connection to the ancient world--I think it will be a wonderfully meaningful thing for other Nova Romans to likewise trace their lineage back to the Roman empire or beyond.

We as Nova Romans claim to be the spiritual successors of ancient Rome, which claim I think is beyond the rest of the world to deny: The claim is legitimate simply because we claim it. But even deeper than that, I suspect that most of us, if not all, can actually reconnect ourselves with Roma Antiqua through ancestral bloodlines. Nova Roma is already the successor to ancient Rome; but now that succession is more than a matter of intention and emulation. Now it becomes a matter of history, ancestry, and heritage.

My ancestors wore the toga, and the stola; they lived the Mos Maiorum; they wrote of things in heaven and on earth; they left an undying legacy that even in our day has not lost its potential to improve the world all over again.

To those who belong to Nova Roma, as well as to those who are here out of curiosity: I urge you to search out your family history, and discover your heritage. Remember that when Rome was young, they claimed greatness because they were descendants of the Trojan hero Aeneas and the nobility of Troy. We too, as a new nation, can similarly take strength and nobility from our lineage.

Valete optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93695 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
How reliable is ANY genealogy that goes back nearly 2000 years?

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93696 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salve Sulla,
 
Rare but I have a proven line to St. Gregory the illuminator who lived in Armenia c   256-326 CE
The more famous you are the more likely they kept records.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: robert.woolwine@...
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:37:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ancient Roman Ancestry

 
How reliable is ANY genealogy that goes back nearly 2000 years?

Respectfully,

Sulla



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93697 From: Gabriele Longo Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salve

I should be descendent of an ancient roman family considering that Longus was a roman surname, but after It was translated from Latin to Italian.
On Wednesday, 16 April 2014, 5:44, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...  
Salve Sulla,
 
Rare but I have a proven line to St. Gregory the illuminator who lived in Armenia c   256-326 CE
The more famous you are the more likely they kept records.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: robert.woolwine@...
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:37:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ancient Roman Ancestry

 
How reliable is ANY genealogy that goes back nearly 2000 years?

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93698 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry

Salve Paulinus


If it is true that anyone descended from Henry III of England is also descended from St. Gregory the Illuminator, then many of us trace back to St. Gregory.

But then, nearly everyone in Europe is a descendant of Charlemagne.  According to the Liber Historiae Francorum, written about 727, Charlemagne's ancestors are described as being descended from Priam of Troy.  This genealogy is considered to be every bit as reliable as Virgil's.

Optime Vale!

P. Porcius Licinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93699 From: ti_cassius_atellus Date: 2014-04-16
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salvete,

The notable Romans shown in the record include Aelia Galla Placidia, Emperor Theodosius I, Emperor Iulius Verus Maximus, and his father, Emperor Maximinus Thrax.

Vale.
Ti. Cassius Atellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93700 From: jirirys Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Facebook page - Civitas Boihaemum
Salvete omnes!

This is FB page of Nova Roma - Civitas Boihaemum (Czech Republic).
https://www.facebook.com/NovaRomaCivitasBoihaemum
Please like it!
Many thanks!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Praefectus Civitatis Boihaemi
Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93701 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Celebrating Spring, Roman style!
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Here is a blog post that talks about how the ancient Romans celebrated
Spring. Sounds very much like fun to me! What do you think?

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

http://alison-morton.com/2014/04/17/how-the-romans-celebrated-spring-2/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93702 From: Scipio Second Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Reminder from the Prætura
Ave Sulla,

I cannot say as I did not see it.  If you can provide it to me, I will be happy to give you a legal opinion.

Vale,

Petrus Augustinus
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:30 PM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...  
Ave Amice,

Do you believe that the part of the material that was posted was a violation of Fair Use? 

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93703 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Thanks for the Ludi Magalenses
Salvete omnes,

The last weeks have been somewhat complicated at professional level so sadly I couldn't follow the Ludi Magalenses as I would like. But reading know all events I would like to thank the Curul Aedilis L. Vitellius Triarius, T. Cassius Atellus, all Aedilis staff members and all citizens for such excellent Ludi.

Valete optime,
Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93704 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-17
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Ludi Magalenses
Salvete Omnes,

They were some pretty cool games.  Thank you to the Curule Aedile, Atellus, and the entire Aedilician staff.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93705 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-18
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
Salutem plurimam dicit,
This is a great discussion thread!

My great-grandfather's first name was Augustus.
My father is 81; in his prime he was 6'3", blue eyes, hairy chest coming out of the color of his shirt hairy, and he's as austere as can be (Peter O'Toole-esque) with that same hatred toward son (me) that we saw in Caligula & Gladiator - it sucks and is painful to be hated by pops like that (always a challenge, never good enough, CONDITIONAL love - maybe it's my brown eyes - my mom thinks he's a reincarnation of King Herod). His hair now is silvery bronze (not white, i.e. not "pure grey").

I have yet to prove it, but I have suspicion & gut feeling that I am a descendant of the Augustus & Tiberius lines... additionally, Rome's forth King Ancus Marcius IV hence my German sir name MARQUARDT.
Also, I get from people, "I look at you and see a Roman statue;" "you could pass for a local (at Ottaviano - a village between Rome and Pompeii known to be descendents of Augustus);" and when I see my picture, I see the faces of Roman Emperors (Nero, etc).
However, in the Pacific Islands, my Roman-Latin or white looks are not as accepted as much as Asian features, so I remain loyal yet oppressed in this land of Ghengis (Guam) Khan... and that's OK as I work on increasing the Roman footprint.
Thanks for this forum question!
(Caesar Augustus) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Germanicus)


 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93706 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-18
Subject: Re: Ancient Roman Ancestry
... collar ... of his shirt

 
 
On Friday, April 18, 2014 9:03 PM, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...  
Salutem plurimam dicit,
This is a great discussion thread!

My great-grandfather's first name was Augustus.
My father is 81; in his prime he was 6'3", blue eyes, hairy chest coming out of the color of his shirt hairy, and he's as austere as can be (Peter O'Toole-esque) with that same hatred toward son (me) that we saw in Caligula & Gladiator - it sucks and is painful to be hated by pops like that (always a challenge, never good enough, CONDITIONAL love - maybe it's my brown eyes - my mom thinks he's a reincarnation of King Herod). His hair now is silvery bronze (not white, i.e. not "pure grey").

I have yet to prove it, but I have suspicion & gut feeling that I am a descendant of the Augustus & Tiberius lines... additionally, Rome's forth King Ancus Marcius IV hence my German sir name MARQUARDT.
Also, I get from people, "I look at you and see a Roman statue;" "you could pass for a local (at Ottaviano - a village between Rome and Pompeii known to be descendents of Augustus);" and when I see my picture, I see the faces of Roman Emperors (Nero, etc).
However, in the Pacific Islands, my Roman-Latin or white looks are not as accepted as much as Asian features, so I remain loyal yet oppressed in this land of Ghengis (Guam) Khan... and that's OK as I work on increasing the Roman footprint.
Thanks for this forum question!
(Caesar Augustus) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Germanicus)

 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93707 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-19
Subject: A glimpse of daily life in Pompeii
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

This is a great site, and contains lots of information on how the ancient
Romans lived at the time of the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius.

http://museum.wa.gov.au/pompeii/daily-life/business

Enjoy!
Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93708 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-19
Subject: Re: Marcus Aurelius
Salvete,

I came across this blog during my introduction to Stoic Week. 

I found it very spiffy.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93709 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Joyous announcement!
Omnibus in Foro S.P.D.

I have my very own (sort of) Roman kitty! Her name is Raptus (what's up
with that?) and I'll be getting a picture and a letter about her in a couple
of weeks, so I am no longer quite without felines!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93710 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Re: Joyous announcement!
Ave,

Curio wont like that! :)

Congrats!!!

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93711 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-20
Subject: Re: Joyous announcement!

Ave!

 

So …don’t tell Curio! J (besides, he’s forgotten all about me, shrug.)

 

Vale bene!

Caeca

 

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93712 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: For Rome on her Birthday
Magna Avis  (Great Bird)


The great bird flies, near the speed of sound,
Towards the dawn, towards Rome.
The great bird flies, near the speed of sound,
Belly full, carrying me home.

Invictus, risen, ashine in the east,
Rays upon clouds, the sea, the ground;
Upon the bird smiles, with the speed of light.
Divine brightness, guiding me home.

Waning, gibbous Luna, batt'ler of night,
Brilliance paled, still glorious,
Protecting, inspring beauty,
With the speed of thought, leading me home.

Onward, over waves, over earth,
Over cities, over all,
The great bird flies, near the speed of sound,
With the gods, carrying me home.

© C Claudius Quadratus, Augur
Roma, 04-21-2014
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93713 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
SALVETE!

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Maias; haec dies nefastus publicum est: Parilia; the legendary founding of Rome.

753 BC – The legendary founding of Rome by Romulus and Remus.

"At the beginning of the fray, Numitor gave out that an enemy had entered the City and was attacking the palace, in order to draw off the Alban soldiery to the citadel, to defend it. When he saw the young men coming to congratulate him after the assassination, he at once called a council of his people and explained his brother's infamous conduct towards him, the story of his grandsons, their parentage and bringing up, and how he recognised them. Then he proceeded to inform them of the tyrant's death and his responsibility for it. The young men marched in order through the midst of the assembly and saluted their grandfather as king; their action was approved by the whole population, who with one voice ratified the title and sovereignty of the king. After the government of Alba was thus transferred to Numitor, Romulus and Remus were seized with the desire of building a city in the locality where they had been exposed. There was the superfluous population of the Alban and Latin towns, to these were added the shepherds: it was natural to hope that with all these Alba would be small and Lavinium small in comparison with the city which was to be founded. These pleasant anticipations were disturbed by the ancestral curse -ambition-which led to a deplorable quarrel over what was at first a trivial matter. As they were twins and no claim to precedence could be based on seniority, they decided to consult the tutelary deities of the place by means of augury as to who was to give his name to the new city, and who was to rule it after it had been founded. Romulus accordingly selected the Palatine as his station for observation, Remus the Aventine.
Remus is said to have been the first to receive an omen: six vultures appeared to him. The augury had just been announced to Romulus when double the number appeared to him. Each was saluted as king by his own party. The one side based their claim on the priority of the appearance, the other on the number of the birds. Then followed an angry altercation; heated passions led to bloodshed; in the tumult Remus was killed. The more common report is that Remus contemptuously jumped over the newly raised walls and was forthwith killed by the enraged Romulus, who exclaimed, "So shall it be henceforth with every one who leaps over my walls." Romulus thus became sole ruler, and the city was called after him, its founder. His first work was to fortify the Palatine hill where he had been brought up"
[Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library: Titus Livius – "The history of Rome", 1.6; 1.7].

Parilia

In ancient Roman religion, the Parilia is an agricultural festival performed annually on April 21, aimed at cleansing both sheep and shepherd. It is carried out in acknowledgment to the Roman deity Pales, a god of shepherds and sheep. By the end of the late Republic, the Parilia became associated with the birthday of Rome.

The Parilia is described in Ovid's Fasti:

"The night has gone: dawn breaks. I'm called upon to sing
Of the Parilia, and not in vain if kindly Pales aids me.
Kindly Pales, if I respect your festival,
Then aid me as I sing of pastoral rites.
Indeed, I've often brought ashes of a calf, and stalks
Of beans, in chaste purification, in my full hands:
Indeed, I've leapt the threefold line of flames,
And the wet laurel's sprinkled me with dew.
The goddess, moved, blesses the work: my ship
Sets sail: may favourable winds fill my sails.
Go, people: bring fumigants from the Virgin's altar:
Vesta will grant them, Vesta's gift will purify.
The fumigants are horse blood and calf's ashes,
And thirdly the stripped stalks of stringy beans.
Shepherd, purify your sated sheep at twilight:
First sprinkle the ground with water, and sweep it,
And decorate the sheepfold with leaves and branches,
And hide the festive door with a trailing garland.
Make dark smoke with pure burning sulphur,
And let the sheep bleat, in contact with the smoke.
Burn male-olive wood, and pine, and juniper fronds,
And let scorched laurel crackle in the hearth.
Let a basket of millet keep the millet cakes company:
The rural goddess particularly loves that food.
Add meats, and a pail of her milk, and when the meat
Is cut, offer the warm milk, pray to sylvan Pales,
Saying: `Protect the cattle and masters alike:
And drive everything harmful from my stalls.
If I've fed sheep on sacred ground, sat under a sacred tree,
While they've unwittingly browsed the grass on graves:
If I've entered a forbidden grove, or the nymphs
And the god, half-goat, have fled at sight of me:
If my knife has pruned the copse of a shady bough,
To fill a basket of leaves for a sick ewe:
Forgive me. Don't count it against me, if I've sheltered
My flock, while it hailed, in some rustic shrine,
Don't harm me for troubling the pools. Nymphs,
Forgive, if trampling hooves have muddied your waters.
Goddess, placate the springs, and placate their divinities
On our behalf, and the gods too, scattered in every grove.
Let us not gaze on Dryads, or on Diana bathing,
Nor on Faunus, as he lies in the fields at noon.
Drive off disease: let men and beasts be healthy,
And healthy the vigilant pack of wakeful dogs.
May I drive back as many sheep as dawn revealed,
Nor sigh returning with fleeces snatched from the wolves.
Avert dire famine: let leaves and grass be abundant,
And water to wash the body, water to drink.
May I press full udders, may my cheeses bring me money,
May the wicker sieve strain my liquid whey.
And let the ram be lusty, his mate conceive and bear,
And may there be many a lamb in my fold.
And let the wool prove soft, not scratch the girls,
Let it everywhere be kind to gentle hands.
Let my prayer be granted, and every year we'll make
Huge cakes for Pales, Mistress of the shepherds.'
Please the goddess in this way: four times, facing east,
Say these words, and wash your hands with fresh dew.
Then set a wooden dish, to be your mixing bowl,
And drink the creamy milk and the purple must:
Then leap, with nimble feet and straining thighs
Over the crackling heaps of burning straw.
I've set forth the custom: I must still tell of its origin:
But many explanations cause me doubt, and hold me back.
Greedy fire devours all things, and melts away the dross
From metals: the same method cleans shepherd and sheep?
Or is it because all things are formed
Of two opposing powers, fire and water,
And our ancestors joined these elements, and thought fit
To touch their bodies with fire and sprinkled water?
Or did they think the two so powerful, because they contain
The source of life: denied to the exile, it makes the new bride?
I can scarce believe it, but some consider it refers
To Phaethon, and to Deucalion's flood.
Some say, too, that once when shepherds struck
Stones together, a spark suddenly leapt out:
The first died, but the second set fire to straw:
Is that the basis for the fires of the Parilia?
Or is the custom due rather to Aeneas' piety,
To whom the fire gave safe passage, in defeat?
Or is this nearer the truth, that when Rome was founded,
They were commanded to move the Lares to their new homes,
And changing homes the farmers set fire to the houses,
And to the cottages, they were about to abandon,
They and their cattle leaping through the flames,
As happens even now on Rome's birthday?
That subject itself is matter for a poet. We have come
To the City's founding. Great Quirinus, witness your deeds!
Amulius had already been punished, and all
The shepherd folk were subject to the twins,
Who agreed to gather the men together to build walls:
The question was as to which of them should do it.
Romulus said: `There's no need to fight about it:
Great faith is placed in birds, let's judge by birds.'
That seemed fine. One tried the rocks of the wooded Palatine,
The other climbed at dawn to the Aventine's summit.
Remus saw six birds, Romulus twelve in a row.
They stuck to the pact, and Romulus was granted the City.
A day was chosen for him to mark out the walls with a plough.
The festival of Pales was near: the work was started then.
They trenched to the solid rock, threw fruits of the harvest
Into its depths, with soil from the ground nearby.
The ditch was filled with earth, and topped by an altar,
And a fire was duly kindled on the new-made hearth.
Then, bearing down on the plough handle, he marked the walls:
The yoke was borne by a white cow and a snowy ox.
So spoke the king: `Be with me, as I found my City,
Jupiter, Father Mavors, and Mother Vesta:
And all you gods, whom piety summons, take note.
Let my work be done beneath your auspices.
May it last long, and rule a conquered world,
All subject, from the rising to the setting day.'
Jupiter added his omen to Romulus' prayer, with thunder
On the left, and his lightning flashed leftward in the sky.
Delighted by this, the citizens laid foundations,
And the new walls were quickly raised.
The work was overseen by Celer, whom Romulus named,
Saying: `Celer, make it your care to see no one crosses
Walls or trench that we've ploughed: kill whoever dares.'
Remus, unknowingly, began to mock the low walls,
saying: `Will the people be safe behind these?'
He leapt them, there and then. Celer struck the rash man
With his shovel: Remus sank, bloodied, to the stony ground.
When the king heard, he smothered his rising tears,
And kept the grief locked in his heart.
He wouldn't weep in public, but set an example of fortitude,
Saying: `So dies the enemy who shall cross my walls.'
But he granted him funeral honours, and couldn't
Hold back his tears, and the love he tried to hide was obvious.
When they set down the bier, he gave it a last kiss,
And said: `Farewell, my brother, taken against my will!'
And he anointed the body for burning. Faustulus, and Acca
Her hair loosened in mourning, did as he did.
Then the as yet unnamed Quirites wept for the youth:
And finally the pyre, wet by their tears, was lit.
A City arose, destined (who'd have believed it then?)
To plant its victorious foot upon all the lands.
Rule all, and be ever subject to mighty Caesar,
And may you often own to many of that name:
And as long as you stand, sublime, in a conquered world,
May all others fail to reach your shoulders.
[Poetry Translation, 2004 A.S Kline - Publius Ovidius Nasso Fasti, Book 4, April 21: The Parilia]

Nova Roma website:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Pales 

Happy Birthday Rome!

VALETE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93714 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: For Rome on her Birthday

Salve Quadrate et Salvete  Omnes!

 

Very, very nice, Quadrate!

 

Vale et valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93715 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
Salve Sabine et omnes,

Thank you Sabine and I would like to wish all NR citizens a good anniversary of Roma Antiqua, the reason we all are here and also to remember us all of those reasons and think how we can as a community to improve and grow NR.

Valete optime,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93716 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: PARILIA SACRIFICE
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex, praefectus Italiae, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae senatui populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus s. p. d.


Happy and most propitious Parilia to all Nova Romans of the world! This is a most special day for me as this very day is the 10th anniversary of my association with Nova Roma and the Nova Romans, and ever so symbolic this day is because my association 10 years ago today was with the Italian Nova Roman citizens, and thanks to a wonderful fellow citizen, today I could be there, albeit just spiritually, in Italy, in Rome.

I announce you that I, as pontifex, have offered a sacrifice to the Patron Gods, Penates, Lares and to the Manes of the Roman People for Nova Roma, for the Nova Roman Republic and People, for the Magistrates, the Senate and the Collegium Pontificum. I am aware that augur C. Claudius Quadratus has performed some ritual in the City of Rome itself as he celebrated the Parilia there. 

As praefectus Italiae, I have also performed a Parilia ritual for Italia, and C. Claudius has performed a ritual in my name in the City of Rome which means that -- in a sense, thanks to augur C. Claudius -- I could be there for our Italian and Roman Nova Roman citizens with local City of Rome sacrifice.

And as legatus pro praetore of Pannonia, I offered a sacrifice for Pannonia. 

HAPPY 2767th BIRTHDAY TO OUR FATHERLAND!

Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
PONTIFEX
PRAEFECTUS ITALIAE|
LEGATUS PR PR PANNONIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93717 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus omnibus Quiritibus praesertim amicis suis salutem plurimam dicit:

This is a very special day for me, my fellow citizens and dear friends, and I wanted to share this joy with you; this very day marks the 10th anniversary of my connection and association with Nova Roma. I know there are a couple of older citizens, my all respect to them: but for me these 10 years are what I can be happy for, and to celebrate, to commemorate these 10 years and to share the joy over these 10 years with you is important for me.

To discover Nova Roma was almost a miracle for me. Once upon a time, when I thought I was the only person in the world who wants Rome to live again as a Roman republic and the sole person in Earth who actually feels Roman rather than his native nationality, I had a huge full-day-long ritual and devotional when I prayed in Latin for a New Rome, i.e. Nova Roma, and for New Romans, i.e. Novi Romani. I thought it would become a life long work to find or to establish something like this... until... until this day in 2004...

Then, on the night from 20 April to 21 April (Parilia) 2004, exactly 10 years ago, I decided to try this thingy called internet. Back then in Hungary the use of internet wasn't so widespread than in the same time in the USA. And I was really an anti-technology fellow, I intentionally didn't care to try internet because I was not really aware of its values, so yeah, it was really the first time I decided to spend time on it. The first thing I typed in Google was "Parilia, ceremonia, celebrazione", because I was preparing to do a ritual for Parilia. Yes, I was searching in Italian, because back than my English was almost nonexistent. And the first thing I have ever found in Google was Nova Roma herself. What I found was an Italian message board on the Italian Nova Roma website where they discussed their preparations to the Parilia parade in Rome. I was thrilled and absolutely shocked by joy that there are people, who call themselves "Novi Romani", exactly for what I prayed, who actually celebrate Parilia, and that the organization's name itself is nothing else but "Nova Roma": again, exactly for what I prayed. It was an amazing feeling, my prayers had been answered, a dream come true. 

My first connection was with Italian Nova Roman M. Maltinius Plautus, then with M. Iulius Perusianus, M'. Constantinus Serapio, Fr. Apulus Caesar and some others. Wonderful, noble-spirited and truly Roman people. It took some months that I actually became a citizen (first I wanted to learn everything about the organization before I apply for citizenship, but there were also technical problems with the application-procedure), but this day, April 21, the Parilia of 2004 CE or 2757 AUC was the most important day of my history with Nova Roma: a truly symbolic day for me: the birthday of Rome, the birthday of my "Nova Romanity". 

In these last days preparing for my personal 10th anniversary, I was evaluating my 10 years of Nova Roma experience, and, of course, I could mention many good and many bad points -- but the overall conclusion is this: I value and appreciate immensely that I can be with fellow citizens, with friends and comrades of Roman identity, Roman culture and mindset, I value and appreciate each one of you who constitute this wonderful project, this incredible endeavor, this community working on the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and virtues: our Nova Roma.

I am looking forward to the future of Nova Roma, and to continue working here for our common goals. 

Happy birthday to Rome, and long live our Nova Roma!

Valete!

Cn. Lentulus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93718 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
SALVE!

My friend, I wish you many years in Nova Roma with the same outstanding dedication and great contributions as you did until now.
In Nova Roma many people came, many people went. Some of them, even if are or are not here now, proved that have a great sense of romanitas. I consider them Romans, nothing less. You are one of them.

This year, but later in October, I will have my own 10th anniversary within Nova Roma. Your post, made me to remember my first contact with Nova Roma which was Cn. Iulius Caesar then with M. Iulius Perusianus and the Italian Novi Romani you already mentioned. I met many of them in Rome.
I will add the wonderful days in the aedilician cohorts of Iulius Sulla when we talked for the first time and Pompeia taught us many things about Nova Roma.

I wish you all the best!

SPQR

OPTIME VALE,
Sabinus




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93719 From: Belle Morte Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY
Salve Lentulus et Salvete Omnes,

Congrats, congrats! Now go celebrate in style.

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93720 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: 10 YEARS WITH NOVA ROMA TODAY

Salve Lentule, Amice Care, et Salvete omnes!

 

Reading this wonderful story reminded me of how I came here …but I’m 2 years behind you, so it must wait.  However, as one of my first and dearest friends here, I cannot think of Nova Roma without thinking of you, and, if I have contributed anything here, or done any good here, it is in no small part due to your patient teaching and your kind and positive influence.

 

Vale et valete optime!

 

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93721 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: A.d XI Kal Maias: Parilia; The legendary founding of Rome.
Salvete Omnes,

Felicem Diem Natalem to Mother Roma!

I hope everyone celebrated Parilia amongst great food and in even better company.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93722 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-21
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] RE: [Nova-Roma] For Rome on her Birthday
Salvete Omnes,

"Invictus, risen, ashine in the east,"

Awesome line Quadrate.   I must say the inspiration of the Muses is strong in you.

Another great piece.

*snaps kudos*

Valete bene,
Aeternia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93723 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2014-04-22
Subject: Re: For Rome on her Birthday
Salve, Aeternia!

Thank you, Aeternia.  It's a description of what I saw from the belly of the bird out the window Emoji.  Now I'm off to explore the cloaca maxima (the great sewer).  I wish I had a metal detector!

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: syrenslullaby@...
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:07:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] RE: [Nova-Roma] For Rome on her Birthday

 

Salvete Omnes,

"Invictus, risen, ashine in the east,"

Awesome line Quadrate.   I must say the inspiration of the Muses is strong in you.

Another great piece.

*snaps kudos*

Valete bene,
Aeternia

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93724 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-22
Subject: Re: PARILIA SACRIFICE
Hail Mars et Caesar!

 
 
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:34 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...  
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex, praefectus Italiae, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae senatui populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus s. p. d.


Happy and most propitious Parilia to all Nova Romans of the world! This is a most special day for me as this very day is the 10th anniversary of my association with Nova Roma and the Nova Romans, and ever so symbolic this day is because my association 10 years ago today was with the Italian Nova Roman citizens, and thanks to a wonderful fellow citizen, today I could be there, albeit just spiritually, in Italy, in Rome.

I announce you that I, as pontifex, have offered a sacrifice to the Patron Gods, Penates, Lares and to the Manes of the Roman People for Nova Roma, for the Nova Roman Republic and People, for the Magistrates, the Senate and the Collegium Pontificum. I am aware that augur C. Claudius Quadratus has performed some ritual in the City of Rome itself as he celebrated the Parilia there. 

As praefectus Italiae, I have also performed a Parilia ritual for Italia, and C. Claudius has performed a ritual in my name in the City of Rome which means that -- in a sense, thanks to augur C. Claudius -- I could be there for our Italian and Roman Nova Roman citizens with local City of Rome sacrifice.

And as legatus pro praetore of Pannonia, I offered a sacrifice for Pannonia. 

HAPPY 2767th BIRTHDAY TO OUR FATHERLAND!

Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
PONTIFEX
PRAEFECTUS ITALIAE|
LEGATUS PR PR PANNONIAE


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93725 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2014-04-26
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Re: Consular Edict on Sodalitates Executive
Salve Master Audens:

This looks to be more of a private correspondence in your address to Pompeia below.

I will send you a private e-mail this weekend in regards to this situation.

Vale bene,
Aeternia


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93726 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2014-04-26
Subject: BIG NEWS: NR Augur Consecration in Pannonia (Budapest, Hungary)
Cn. Lentulus pontifex, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano SPD

Dear magistrates and fellow citizens;

I have the great honor and pleasure to announce to you that today I have received C. Claudius Quadratus augur designatus, who is also procurator of Canada Citerior. He has arrived in Budapest (Hungary), to the Nova Roman province of Pannonia, in order that he can be inaugurated and consecrated tomorrow, in Aquincum, at an actual ancient Roman site. The consecration will be conducted and supervised by pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, and Pannonian citizens of Nova Roma will attend the ceremony and assist at the ritual.

It is always a happy event if our priests can be properly installed in ceremonies attended and celebrated by a community of our citizens, and I am very pleased and glad that it can happen here and now. In 2010 I had the honor of conducting the inauguration and consecration of Augur M. Lucretius Agricola, and this is the second time in Nova Roma we are doing this kind of ceremony, which is based on scholarship and ancient sources and descriptions of priestly installation rituals.

We ask for your prayers so that the Gods be benevolent and propitious to us, to our new augur, and to our res publica; so that you can join us in the spirit of prayer, and we can thus be symbolically together, all of Nova Roma, in Aquincum, for this occasion.

Long live Nova Roma!

Cn. Lentulus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93727 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-27
Subject: Re: BIG NEWS: NR Augur Consecration in Pannonia (Budapest, Hungary)
A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo C. Claudio Quadrato S.P.D. 

 

Cn. Lentulus pontifex, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano SPD

Dear magistrates and fellow citizens;

I have the great honor and pleasure to announce to you that today I have received C. Claudius Quadratus augur designatus, who is also procurator of Canada Citerior. He has arrived in Budapest (Hungary), to the Nova Roman province of Pannonia, in order that he can be inaugurated and consecrated tomorrow, in Aquincum, at an actual ancient Roman site. The consecration will be conducted and supervised by pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, and Pannonian citizens of Nova Roma will attend the ceremony and assist at the ritual.

My congratulations to both of you.  Best wishes for the ceremony, and for Quadratus' visit.  Perhaps he will write some poetry; lately he has shown considerable talent in that direction.  

It is always a happy event if our priests can be properly installed in ceremonies attended and celebrated by a community of our citizens, and I am very pleased and glad that it can happen here and now.

Indeed, and especially in a truly Roman site.  

In 2010 I had the honor of conducting the inauguration and consecration of Augur M. Lucretius Agricola, and this is the second time in Nova Roma we are doing this kind of ceremony, which is based on scholarship and ancient sources and descriptions of priestly installation rituals.

We ask for your prayers so that the Gods be benevolent and propitious to us, to our new augur, and to our res publica; so that you can join us in the spirit of prayer, and we can thus be symbolically together, all of Nova Roma, in Aquincum, for this occasion.

Again, my best wishes for this wonderful occasion.  

Long live Nova Roma!

Cn. Lentulus


Valete. 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93728 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-28
Subject: Some info about Emperor Claudius
Salvete omnibus in foro!

Before you complain about your spouse, read *this*. It should put any
marital issues into perspective (smile).

http://www.slideshare.net/yourkamden/emperor-claudius-i-and-his-relationship
s-with-women-by-keith-armstrong

Enjoy!

C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93729 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: translation please
Salvete
 
can someone please tell me the Latin for this? Thanks
 
"You raise me up to more than I can be"

 
Valete
 
Paulinus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93730 From: gabrielelongomail Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Re: translation please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93731 From: cmc Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Gladiators!
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Here is an extensive and excellent article about gladiators!

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/arena.html

As far as I can tell, *this* link works.

Vale et valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93732 From: robert.woolwine@gmail.com Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Registered agent paid
Avete conscript fathers,

Today I submitted payment to our Registered agent.  As soon as I get a copy of the receipt it will be uploaded for our records.  

By the end of the week I'll forward the information so the registered agent will file our annual report in compliance with the state of maine.

Respectfully,

Sulla


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93733 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-29
Subject: Banish ignorance!
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus aliisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

As some of you may be aware, there is a famous classical school in Rome, the Academia Vivarium Novum, which teaches both Latin and Greek by methods somewhat similar to those we use in our Sermo Latinus courses in the schola.  I thought some might be interested in their program, so am posting a link to a short video of testimonials by their graduates.  Some speak English, some Spanish, and one Italian.  One is also in Latin.  The tuition is high, and the rules strict, but they do offer scholarships.  I have separate information on scholarships for this academic year, but none for the upcoming one.  The text is the same, however; only the dates differ.  Will try to post that later. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Jc6BSXDmA

 

Note, too, that we offer courses in both living and traditional Latin in our schola.  The traditional method courses use the popular Wheelock text, and the assimilation method ones use Le Latin sans Peine, Latein ohne Mühe, or Il Latino senza Sforzo, by Clement Desessard (the original French has been translated respectively into Italian and  German [the most recent edition, and equipped with many useful features not found in the others]).  We provide translations of the original French edition into both English and Spanish (given one lesson at a time) for those who mysteriously do not know any of the three well-known languages in which the text is available.  


The introductory traditional course and the introductory and intermediate assimilation method courses are either finished or in exams; in the mean time we can accept students who have the text in hand and can prove that to me, but not add them directly to the assimilation method course lists.  For further information, please contact me privately.  

 

Valéte! 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93734 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2014-04-30
Subject: Re: Banish ignorance! (scholarship info)
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus aliisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Below is the scholarship information on the Vivarium Novum, a well respected institution located in Rome which some of our students have attended. This information is intended for last academic year, but the text is the same from year to year.  Only the dates change.  Those interested in learning living Latin or Greek in a brick and mortar environment should contact the Academia for further and more up to date information.  Alternatively, those who live too far away and / or don't want to pay room and board as well as high tuition could opt for our online living Latin courses, or our traditional ones. 

 I should also note that the Academia has a summer session as well as one during the regular academic year, and that it is my understanding that females are not allowed during one of them as the academia is apparently housed in a monastery or a seminary whose regular occupants are away during one of the sessions.  I am not sure which session does not allow women / girls.  So far as I am aware, women are allowed during one session, but not the other. 

Valete.  

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Announcement of Competition
Latin, Greek and Humanities at the Academy Vivarium Novum in Rome – Italy Academic year 2012-2013
The Academy Vivarium Novum is offering ten full tuition scholarships for high school students of the European Union (16-18 years old) and ten full tuition scholarships for University students (18-24 years old) of any part of the world. The scholarships will cover all of the costs of room, board, teaching and didactic materials for courses to be held from October 8, 2012 until June 15, 2013 on the grounds of the Academy’s campus at Rome.
Application letters must be sent to info@... by June 30th in order to receive consideration.
A good knowledge of the fundamental of Latin and Greek is required. The courses will be as follows:
1. Latin language (fundamental and advanced)
2. Greek language (fundamental and advanced)
3. Latin composition
4. Roman History
5. Ancient Latin literature
6. History of ancient Philosophy
7. Renaissance and Neo-Latin literature
8. Latin and Greek music and poetry
9. Classics reading seminars
The goal is to achieve a perfect command of both Latin and Greek through a total immersion in the two languages. All the classes will be conducted in Latin, except for Greek classes which will be conducted in Greek.
In the letter the prospective student should indicate the following:
1. Full name;
2. Date and location of birth;
3. What school you currently attend;
4. How long you have studied Latin and/or Greek; 5. Which authors and works you have read;
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6. Other studies and primary interests outside of school.
In addition, please attach a recent passport/ID photograph.
(For more information about the Academy, you may visit the website www.vivariumnovum.net.)

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A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus aliisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

As some of you may be aware, there is a famous classical school in Rome, the Academia Vivarium Novum, which teaches both Latin and Greek by methods somewhat similar to those we use in our Sermo Latinus courses in the schola.  I thought some might be interested in their program, so am posting a link to a short video of testimonials by their graduates.  Some speak English, some Spanish, and one Italian.  One is also in Latin.  The tuition is high, and the rules strict, but they do offer scholarships.  I have separate information on scholarships for this academic year, but none for the upcoming one.  The text is the same, however; only the dates differ.  Will try to post that later. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Jc6BSXDmA

 

Note, too, that we offer courses in both living and traditional Latin in our schola.  The traditional method courses use the popular Wheelock text, and the assimilation method ones use Le Latin sans Peine, Latein ohne Mühe, or Il Latino senza Sforzo, by Clement Desessard (the original French has been translated respectively into Italian and  German [the most recent edition, and equipped with many useful features not found in the others]).  We provide translations of the original French edition into both English and Spanish (given one lesson at a time) for those who mysteriously do not know any of the three well-known languages in which the text is available.  


The introductory traditional course and the introductory and intermediate assimilation method courses are either finished or in exams; in the mean time we can accept students who have the text in hand and can prove that to me, but not add them directly to the assimilation method course lists.  For further information, please contact me privately.  

 

Valéte! 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 93735 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2014-04-30
Subject: Re: translation please
Tu tollite magis quam esse possum.
You raise me up to more than I can be.
 
 
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:22 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...
Salvete
 
can someone please tell me the Latin for this? Thanks
 
"You raise me up to more than I can be"

 
Valete
 
Paulinus