Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-30, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94925 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94926 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94927 From: Gaia Maria Marcella Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Free Online Courses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94928 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94929 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94930 From: Subaccount Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94931 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94932 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94933 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94934 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94935 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94936 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94937 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94938 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94939 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-04-03
Subject: Report of the CP session - March 2768 a.U.c
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94940 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-04-03
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94941 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94942 From: Jan van Oort Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94943 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94944 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-05
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94945 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2015-04-06
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94946 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-06
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94947 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Tax Reminder
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94948 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94949 From: Teleri Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94950 From: Tevye Cruz Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: Tax Reminder
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94951 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: Tax Reminder
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94952 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94953 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94954 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94955 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94956 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94957 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94958 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94959 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94960 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94961 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94962 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94963 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94964 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94965 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94966 From: Valeria Pavo Date: 2015-04-10
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94967 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-13
Subject: Podcasts - Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94968 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94969 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94970 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94971 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94972 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94973 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-18
Subject: Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94974 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-18
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94975 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-19
Subject: Session of the Collegium Augurum Extended to May 17th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94976 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-04-19
Subject: March issue of the Nova Roma Chronicle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94977 From: Valeria Pavo Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Re: [ReligioRomana] Re: [Nova-Roma] Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94978 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Collegium Augurum - Discussion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94979 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94980 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: PARILIA - 2768th BIRTHDAY OF ROME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94981 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94982 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94983 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94984 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94985 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94986 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: PARILIA - 2768th BIRTHDAY OF ROME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94987 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Happy Parilia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94988 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: EDICTUM III of Praetor Sext. Lucilius Tutor about scriba appointment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94989 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94990 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Parília
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94991 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94992 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-04-22
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94993 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-22
Subject: Collegium Augurum - Decision
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94994 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-24
Subject: Back at home
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94995 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-24
Subject: Re: Back at home
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94996 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: question ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94997 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: Re: question ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94998 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: Re: question ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94999 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95000 From: Teleri Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95001 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95002 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95003 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95004 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95005 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95006 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95007 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94925 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
T.M.Quadra C.C.Quadratus Salutem plurimam dicit,
Quite an invite. I will pray that I can make it.
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 3:02 AM, "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

The traditional "birthday" of Rome is April 21st.  Weather permitting, I plan to walk around much of the city starting at the Pyramid at 9:00 and ending up at the Ara Pacis.  I expect to meet some citizens for a celebratory dinner that night.  Anyone interested in joining us for the walk or the dinner should contact me at c.claudius.quadratus@...

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94926 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
Salve, Quadra!

If you will be in Rome around that time, please let me know.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 17:03:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Birthday

 

T.M.Quadra C.C.Quadratus Salutem plurimam dicit,
Quite an invite. I will pray that I can make it.
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 3:02 AM, "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

The traditional "birthday" of Rome is April 21st.  Weather permitting, I plan to walk around much of the city starting at the Pyramid at 9:00 and ending up at the Ara Pacis.  I expect to meet some citizens for a celebratory dinner that night.  Anyone interested in joining us for the walk or the dinner should contact me at c.claudius.quadratus@...

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94927 From: Gaia Maria Marcella Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Free Online Courses
Gratias tibi ago, Sulla! I love online courses and have taken several already from futurelearn. These give me a lot more options!
 
Optime vale,
 
Marcella
 
C. Maria Marcella
Aedilis plebis
 
 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM
From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] Free Online Courses
 

 

Avete Omnes,
 
I have found some link that might be of interest.  These are for free online college courses on a variety of subjects, but focused on history.  Since I have been recuperating this has been helping to keep me sane since I have been very limited.  I hope you enjoy these links, descriptions and classes as much as I have been.
 
 
 
 
Respectfully,
 
Sulla

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94928 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-01
Subject: Re: Rome's Birthday
Salve Quadratus,
I certainly will.
Vale,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



On Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:44 AM, "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Quadra!

If you will be in Rome around that time, please let me know.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 17:03:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome's Birthday

 

T.M.Quadra C.C.Quadratus Salutem plurimam dicit,
Quite an invite. I will pray that I can make it.
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 3:02 AM, "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

The traditional "birthday" of Rome is April 21st.  Weather permitting, I plan to walk around much of the city starting at the Pyramid at 9:00 and ending up at the Ara Pacis.  I expect to meet some citizens for a celebratory dinner that night.  Anyone interested in joining us for the walk or the dinner should contact me at c.claudius.quadratus@...

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94929 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete Omnes!

I just saw this question asked in one of my Facebook groups, and thought it
might be a good question for this list, too :). OK, here's the deal. You
are shipwrecked (without a ship) on an island, with food, (well, fruit,
anyway) and fresh water. You can have with you:

1. Any source of information on ancient Rome. This can include history
(modern or ancient), literature (ancient) or Roman poetry. It just has to
be contained in one volume.
2. Any work of historical fiction set in ancient Rome.

So ...what do you take with you? And yes, I know what I'll take, but I'll
wait and see what all ya'all come up with first :).

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94930 From: Subaccount Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

If I found a single complete volume of the lost 16 volume collection of Varro's Antiquitates rerum humanarum et divinarum libri, I would be very happy. Plus, considering the circumstances of being trapped on an island I will need all the help I can get...

DC

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94931 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

Salve!

 

Interesting choice ..but would they all fit in one book? J.  Well …maybe a really *big* book …

 

Vale Bene!

C. Maria Caeca who would also need a very big book to encompass one of her choices J

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94932 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete,

1. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
2. I Claudius by Robert Graves

Valete bene,
Aeternia 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94933 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

Salve!

 

Great choices!  Actually, I’m dithering between Meditations and Ovid’s Metamorphosis. 

 

Vale Bene!

C. Maria Caeca (in no doubt about the fiction choice, though).  Masters of Rome (an omnibus edition containing all books) ;)  OK, I’m cheating, I think, but …

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94934 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete,

Well I think I would go for both quality and quantity since I would be reading them over and over so yes the 7 books of Masters of Rome series and all Ab Urbe Condita loeb edition. The Masters of Rome should be about 7 000 pages and the impressive history of Rome from Titus Livius both in English and Latin are countless hours of reading too.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Em qui, 2 de abr de 2015 às 22:10, 'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94935 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Ave,

My one volume unabriged  complete works of Flavius Josephus.

First man in Rome Series. :)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94936 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

Salvete!

 

Hmmm …wonder if we can weave palm fronds together or something to build rafts …we have 3 votes for Masters of Rome …but if we could island hop …we could share our books, thus increasing our reading possibilities. J.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca, ignoring the possibility that if we could weave rafts, we could find the mainland …eventually.  Right now, a deserted island sounds pretty good to me, (grin).

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94937 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete!

I'd take "The First Man in Rome" by Colleen McCullogh.  It's the book that hooked me on ancient Rome.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Nova-Roma] a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

 
Salvete Omnes!

I just saw this question asked in one of my Facebook groups, and thought it
might be a good question for this list, too :). OK, here's the deal. You
are shipwrecked (without a ship) on an island, with food, (well, fruit,
anyway) and fresh water. You can have with you:

1. Any source of information on ancient Rome. This can include history
(modern or ancient), literature (ancient) or Roman poetry. It just has to
be contained in one volume.
2. Any work of historical fiction set in ancient Rome.

So ...what do you take with you? And yes, I know what I'll take, but I'll
wait and see what all ya'all come up with first :).

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94938 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-02
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)

Salvete Quadrate!

 

You can also take a nonfiction book, you know, for variety J

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94939 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-04-03
Subject: Report of the CP session - March 2768 a.U.c


SALVETE!


QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS.


This is the Collegium Pontificum session report:


The Collegium Pontificum was called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VII Id Mart. 2768 a.U.c (Monday 9 Mar 2015) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d III Kal Apr 2768 a.U.c (Monday, 30 Mar 2015).


The session schedule was:


Contio:

Started with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VII Id Mar 2768 a.U.c (Monday 9 Mar 2015) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Apr 2768 a.U.c (Saturday, 21 Mar 2015).


Vote:

Started  with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VIII Kal Apr 2768 a.U.c (Wednesday 25 Mar 2015) and ended at 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d III Kal Apr 2768 a.U.c (Monday, 30 Mar 2015).

Proxy were not assigned during the contio.


The following collegium members did not vote therefore are recorded as absents:

- M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)

- Q. Vipsanius Agrippa (QVA)

- Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
- Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (QCMPP)


The following collegium member does not vote in sessions:

- M' Titinius Silvanus.


The session result:


Unique item: The Collegium Pontificum review the status of the lictores of the Comitia Curiata.


A. The Collegium Pontificum appoint as lictrix and lictor of Nova Roma the following:

- Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia,

- Gaius Claudius Quadratus.

 

B. The Collegium Pontificum suspend as lictrix and lictor of Nova Roma the following:

- Aula Tullia Scholastica,

- Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator.

Term of suspension - 31st of May 2768 a.U.c

If after the term of suspension the tax payer status is not clarified, those nominated, are automatically removed from the post.

 

C. The Collegium Pontificum remove the following capite censi lictores.

- Gaius Popillius Laenas,

- Gaius Cocceius Spinula.

 

Addendum - informal:

The Collegium Pontificum instruct the Pontifex Maximus to include in the session report the final updated list of the lictores and lictrices of Nova Roma.


Note: to each point A, B and C, individual vote to everyone nominated is required.


RESULT: Item passed.


Details:

- The session note was respected with the pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus exception who voted affirmative to each point but not using individual vote to everyone nominated. However I count his vote as time I don't have the legal tool to cancel it.

- All votes were affirmative. For those interested, more details and comments are on the Collegium Pontificum list which is public at this address:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/     


Based on the instruction I received during the session, I post the current list of lictores and lictrices of Nova Roma:

- L. Cornelius Sulla Felix

- D. Iunius Paladius Invictus

- H. Galeria Aureliana

- Q. Servilius Priscus

- C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

- Q. Vipsanius Agrippa

- Cn. Iulius Caesar

- C. Marcius Crispus

- C. Aemilius Crassus

- Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia,

- Gaius Claudius Quadratus.

Suspended:

- P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator

- A. Tullia Scholastica


QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS.


VALETE,

T. Iulius Sabinus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94940 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-04-03
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete omnes!
I think I take the books of Masters of Rome and "De bello Gallico", it was the first latin text I could translate
Vale bene!
Q. Lutatius Catulus



El Viernes 3 de abril de 2015 0:40, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete Quadrate!
 
You can also take a nonfiction book, you know, for variety J
 
Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94941 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salvete,
Catholic English-Latin Diglot Bible (with Direct Verse Jump) Kindle Edition, with it I'm at:
ge.1.22 And he blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the waters of the sea: and let the birds be multiplied upon the earth.    
ge.1.22 Benedixitque eis, dicens : Crescite, et multiplicamini, et replete aquas maris : avesque multiplicentur super terram.
Valete,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
 




On Friday, April 3, 2015 11:56 PM, "Quintus Lutatius quintuslutatius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete omnes!
I think I take the books of Masters of Rome and "De bello Gallico", it was the first latin text I could translate
Vale bene!
Q. Lutatius Catulus



El Viernes 3 de abril de 2015 0:40, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete Quadrate!
 
You can also take a nonfiction book, you know, for variety J
 
Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94942 From: Jan van Oort Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
The phonebook of the city of Rome. 



Fortuna audaces adiuvat - hos solos ? 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94943 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-04
Subject: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Salvete!

As the eldest of the actives Augures, I am assuming the responsibilities of Magister Collegii and hereby call the Collegium Augurum into public session.  All citizens wishing to discuss relevant matters or raise issues may participate.  The session will remain open through May 16th.

Following the session, appropriate decreta will be issued.

A particular matter to be considered is the prospective appointment of Lucia Claudia Quadrata Feles as Pullaria.  She has been serving informally in that non-sacerdotal capacity for more than one year and should now be given recognition.

One of the functions of an Augur is to define templum.  Any citizen wishing the formal recognition of sacred space should raise that issue.

May the gods look with favor upon the Collegium Augurum!

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus, Augur
Magister Collegii




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94944 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-05
Subject: Re: a question for everyone (let's have a bit of fun)
Salve Fortuna audaces adiuvat - hos solos,
Do you have a link to said Rome phone book?
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
 




On Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:09 PM, "Jan van Oort exercitussolus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
The phonebook of the city of Rome. 



Fortuna audaces adiuvat - hos solos ? 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94945 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2015-04-06
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Salve, conlega!
 
Would you like to hold our discussion here in the Forum, since you are calling it an open meeting? I believe the settings on the augurs list are not open to anyone not of our college, at this time.
 
Vale optime,
~ Valerianus
 

Gaius Tullius Valerianus
 
Tribunus Plebis
Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Proconsul
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94946 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-06
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum Called into Session
Salve, Valeriane!

It would probably be more convenient and promote a higher degree of participation if we were to discuss matters in this forum.  If for any reason someone wishes to discuss something more privately, we could make some other arrangement.

Vale!

C Claudius Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 10:41:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Collegium Augurum Called into Session

 

Salve, conlega!
 
Would you like to hold our discussion here in the Forum, since you are calling it an open meeting? I believe the settings on the augurs list are not open to anyone not of our college, at this time.
 
Vale optime,
~ Valerianus
 

Gaius Tullius Valerianus
 
Tribunus Plebis
Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Proconsul
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94947 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Tax Reminder
Avete Omnes,

Just another weekly reminder about the ongoing tax season.  If there is any reason that you feel you need more time to make the payment, please contact me to make arrangements.  Those arrangements are confidential.  

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94948 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Absence
Avete Conscript Fathers and amice,

As of Friday I will be unavailable due to another surgery.  This will hopefully be my last operation and this is one I did not expect to have but it has been highly recommended to speed up my recovery.  This will be a skin graft, and I have never had this type of procedure before.  I will not be at the nursing facility but will be moving back to a hospital and then once cleared I will be coming back here - so I might be offline for a while, but I do not know how long that might be.  However, I wanted to let everyone know in case I am contacted and there is no response.

Most Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94949 From: Teleri Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Absence
You take care, Sulla - & hopefully this will be your last surgery!  
BB
Teleri/Helena


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [BackAlley]" <BackAlley@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Conscript Fathers and amice,

As of Friday I will be unavailable due to another surgery.  This will hopefully be my last operation and this is one I did not expect to have but it has been highly recommended to speed up my recovery.  This will be a skin graft, and I have never had this type of procedure before.  I will not be at the nursing facility but will be moving back to a hospital and then once cleared I will be coming back here - so I might be offline for a while, but I do not know how long that might be.  However, I wanted to let everyone know in case I am contacted and there is no response.

Most Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94950 From: Tevye Cruz Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: Tax Reminder
Salve Sulla,

I wanted to double check that my taxes are paid for this year.  I paid two years worth of taxes when I last paid.  Tiberius Marcius Ramazinus citizen ID 14592.  If I could trouble you to verify that I'm up to date.  If I need to renew I shall do so immediately.  Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

T. Marcius Ramazinus


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

Just another weekly reminder about the ongoing tax season.  If there is any reason that you feel you need more time to make the payment, please contact me to make arrangements.  Those arrangements are confidential.  

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94951 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-08
Subject: Re: Tax Reminder
Ave,

I do not have the tax rolls from last year with me.  I bought a new pc and those files are in my other pc, so I will need to check last year's info once I am back home.  

Beyond that I can get you the amount you would pay this year.  You are in class V so the amount is $9.00

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94952 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
SALVE!

Take care amice. Think this is the last one and all will go well.

VALE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94953 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Ave Amice,

It really has to be the last one!  Im exhausted overall even though I feel alot better. :)  

Thanks amice!

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94954 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Salve Sulla,
Get well soon!
I hear "skin graft" but if you don't mind sharing, what are you fighting?
Anyway, about the taxes, it would be helpful if can include a link. I can get to the Nova Roma site but I'm so behind in my life's responsibilities.
Gratias tibi ago,
(Augustus Caesar) TIBERIUS MARCIUS QUADRA (Nero Romano Germanicus:~)*:D big grin
 






On Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:51 PM, "iulius sabinus iulius_sabinus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE!

Take care amice. Think this is the last one and all will go well.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94955 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence

Salve amice,

Take care amice and hopefully this one more surgery will speed your recovery and you will be back home sooner and finally with all this behind.

Cura ut valeas amice,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94956 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Ave,

Well I was fighting a skin infection but that was resolved.  The need for the skin graft was after the last surgery in December my wound dehissed which basically means the staples and sutchers broke and the wound opened (this was a huge complication I had to overcome with transfusions and such) up so instead of it just sealed up like a standard incision like a zipper mine is like a giant rectangle about 13 inchs by 7 inches with a depth of under an inch (the wound vac took care of the depth of the wound so now it looks like a  3rd degree burn).  The skin graft will shorten my recovery time from about 9 months to a year TO about 3 months if the graft takes.  Thus making the decision for the graft was almost a no brainer despite the risk of going under anesthesia.  

As for the taxes, you can just go to paypal.com and make the payment to this email address: payments@... and include your Roman name and the amount.  

You have 55 Census points that would be the 3rd class that would be $23.00.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94957 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Salve Sullla,
Thanks for sharing. I had a skin infection. I took antibiotics & Vit C, and it cured pretty quick, about one month.
What is the better class; 1st Class or 5th Class; what are the benefits of one class to the next?
How does one go from 3rd Class to the best Class?
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



On Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:15 PM, "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave,

Well I was fighting a skin infection but that was resolved.  The need for the skin graft was after the last surgery in December my wound dehissed which basically means the staples and sutchers broke and the wound opened (this was a huge complication I had to overcome with transfusions and such) up so instead of it just sealed up like a standard incision like a zipper mine is like a giant rectangle about 13 inchs by 7 inches with a depth of under an inch (the wound vac took care of the depth of the wound so now it looks like a  3rd degree burn).  The skin graft will shorten my recovery time from about 9 months to a year TO about 3 months if the graft takes.  Thus making the decision for the graft was almost a no brainer despite the risk of going under anesthesia.  

As for the taxes, you can just go to paypal.com and make the payment to this email address: payments@... and include your Roman name and the amount.  

You have 55 Census points that would be the 3rd class that would be $23.00.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Robin Marquardt remarq777@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94958 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Absence
Ave,

Sure no problem.

1st class is the most influential class in Nova Roma.  It is composed of those citizens who have been in NR the longest and have volunteered their time to serve the Res Publica.  
If you want to move to the 1st and 2nd classes you would need to volunteer your time and energies to advance Nova Roma and serve in the various offices we have available.  That would be in the Religious realm like Pontiff, Sacerdotes, provincial priests, augurs, or any other of the religious offices.
Or you could go the provincal route and focus your effort in establishing local groups via the provincial governor, scribe or other local positions.
Finally you could serve the central government serving as scribe, quaestor, tribune (if you're a pleb), aedile, praetor, consul or censor over the course of years.
If you are not interested in political sphere you could set up face to face meetings, organize or become involved in existing or new Sodalitas.

All of those avenues would earn you census points that would over time increase your class status in the Comitia Centuriata.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94959 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Salvete omnes!

Czech Nova Roma has own bar now!!! Its in Ostrava, the third biggest city
in Czech Republic.


We will have our own flyers here soon. 

Valete!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor
Praefectus Civitatis Boihaemi


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94960 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Congrats amice!  That is awesome!!!  Has it already opened?

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94961 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Salve Nerva,

That looks amazing. I need to use my passport again, expect a visit from me when my fiances are better and during Czech's low season. 

Valete,
Sexta Laelia Macra


From: "Tiberius Iulius Nerva tiberius.iulius.nerva@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete omnes!

Czech Nova Roma has own bar now!!! Its in Ostrava, the third biggest city
in Czech Republic.


We will have our own flyers here soon. 

Valete!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor
Praefectus Civitatis Boihaemi




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94962 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Yes, of course.

This bar already exist. It had little reconstruction and now owner works on the romanization.
Its pity that is little far away from me so I can not be there nowadays.
Sextus Domitius Symmachus, whose membership is one of the oldest in Nova Roma from our Civitas, will give 
support to this project through hints etc. He lives nearby.
Owner is Gnaeus Horatius Carbo.

Nerva
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94963 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Salve Macra!

It will be great things if you make visit by us. Let me know, when you will be here.
Carbo is still on the beginning, but I believe that Aventin will be bar with fantastic roman atmosphere.

Nerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94964 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic

Salve Nerva,

 

Well, if one of my long term dreams ever comes true, and I can visit certain places in Europe where I’ve got NR friends, I’ll make a point to come visit this! J

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94965 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-04-09
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Salve Nerva,

I definitely will, sometime in the future. I shall let you know when I have things in order like plane tickets, etc. I'm sure Carbo will do well, hopefully locals will visit it too, right. 

Vale,
Macra


From: "Tiberius Iulius Nerva tiberius.iulius.nerva@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Macra!

It will be great things if you make visit by us. Let me know, when you will be here.
Carbo is still on the beginning, but I believe that Aventin will be bar with fantastic roman atmosphere.

Nerva


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94966 From: Valeria Pavo Date: 2015-04-10
Subject: Re: Bar of Nova Roma in Czech Republic
Sounds like a great establishment and I wish you good luck with the business!

I would totally visit if I weren't so far away.



On Friday, 10 April 2015, 3:43, "alicia mann xai776@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Nerva,

I definitely will, sometime in the future. I shall let you know when I have things in order like plane tickets, etc. I'm sure Carbo will do well, hopefully locals will visit it too, right. 

Vale,
Macra


From: "Tiberius Iulius Nerva tiberius.iulius.nerva@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Macra!

It will be great things if you make visit by us. Let me know, when you will be here.
Carbo is still on the beginning, but I believe that Aventin will be bar with fantastic roman atmosphere.

Nerva




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94967 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-13
Subject: Podcasts - Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean
Avete Omnes,

I found these podcasts recently and they look very fascinating. The subject matter would be of interest to really anyone who is interested in religion in general. There are podcasts that are devoted to Egyptian Religion, Canaanite religion, Zorastrianism, Greek Polytheism, Roman Polytheism, Judaism, Christianity and its various sects.  There also seem to be podcasts discussing how religions influence other religions.  All in all, very interesting stuff!  I have not yet heard them (still working on the History of the Eastern Roman Empire Podcasts) but this is next on my agenda.

Here are some topics:

Podcast 8.3: Predecessors of Satan from Persia (Zoroastrianism)

Here I discuss the battle between Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu in Persian Zoroastrianism in relation to the role of Satan within Judean apocalypticism.


Podcast 7.2: Origins part 1 – Ancient Near Eastern Combat Myths

Here I go back to the earliest Mesopotamian mythologies (starting about 3000 BCE) about the gods in order to trace a recurring pattern — labelled the “combat myth” by scholars –  that later came to play a role in Judean (Jewish) apocalypticism.  This is part of series 7 (Visions of the End 1: Origins of Judean Apocalypticism) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 6.5: Associations and the Roman Empire

Here I discuss the relation between associations and the Roman empire, including Roman authorities and the emperors. This is part of series 6 (Associations in the Greco-Roman World) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 6.5: Associations and the Roman Empire (mp3; archive.org page with various downloading options here).

Podcast 6.4: Associations and Greco-Roman Society – The City

Here I discuss the relation between associations and Greco-Roman society with a focus on the Greek polis or city.  This is part of series 6 (Associations in the Greco-Roman World) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 6.4: Associations and Greco-Roman Society – The City (mp3; archive.org page with various downloading options here).

Podcast 6.2: Social, Religious, and Burial Activities of Associations

Here I explore the internal activities of associations, pointing to intertwined social, religious, and burial purposes that these groups served for their members.  We take a close look at one particular association devoted to the god Zeus and the goddess Agdistis at Philadelphia in Asia Minor (LSAM 20). This is part of series 6 (Associations in the Greco-Roman World) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 6.2: Social, Religious, and Burial Activities of Associations (mp3; archive.org page with various downloading options here).

Podcast 4.6: Honouring the Emperors as Gods

Here I explain emperor worship and the various types of honours for the emperors as gods, including imperial cults at the provincial, civic, and local levels in Asia Minor.  This is the final episode in series 4 (Honouring the Gods in the Roman Empire) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 4.6: Honouring the Emperors as Gods (mp3; archive.org page with various downloading options here).

Podcast 4.4: Messages from the Gods – Apollo at Claros and Didyma

Here I discuss messages from the gods, or divination.  One way in which the gods were thought to communicate with individuals, groups, and communities was through oracles such as those of Apollo at Claros and Didyma.  This is part of series 4 (Honouring the Gods in the Roman Empire) of the Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean podcast.

Podcast 4.4: Messages from the Gods – Apollo at Claros and Didyma (mp3; archive.org page with various downloading options here).


As you can see there are LOTS of stuff here.

Enjoy!


Respectfully,


Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94968 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Absence
Salvete amicae et amici,

I will have a surgery next Monday so I will be absent for a while and I may be only checking and replying to emails with some delay.

If everything goes as planned I will be back at home on the April 25th working on the recovery so to be able to have the, hopefully, last surgery still in May.

I will keep in touch as much as I'm able to have internet access.

Valete optime,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94969 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
May you recover quickly
Vale,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus



On Friday, April 17, 2015 6:13 AM, "Aemilius Crassus c.aemilius.crassus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete amicae et amici,

I will have a surgery next Monday so I will be absent for a while and I may be only checking and replying to emails with some delay.

If everything goes as planned I will be back at home on the April 25th working on the recovery so to be able to have the, hopefully, last surgery still in May.

I will keep in touch as much as I'm able to have internet access.

Valete optime,
Crassus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94970 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence

Salve Crasse,

Recover quickly, hurry back when you can, and don’t give the nurses *too* hard a time J

Vale bene!

Maria

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94971 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Salve Crasse!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.  Your name will be mentioned on the Tiber Island, at the site of the original Temple of Aesculapius in Rome.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:13:31 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Absence

 

Salvete amicae et amici,

I will have a surgery next Monday so I will be absent for a while and I may be only checking and replying to emails with some delay.

If everything goes as planned I will be back at home on the April 25th working on the recovery so to be able to have the, hopefully, last surgery still in May.

I will keep in touch as much as I'm able to have internet access.

Valete optime,
Crassus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94972 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-17
Subject: Re: Absence
Salvete amici,

Thank you very much. 

I will try my best to not give too hard time to the nurses Caeca.

Quadrate thank you and I hope you have a great time in Rome in its 2767 year celebration.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Em sex, 17 de abr de 2015 às 18:41, charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94973 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-18
Subject: Collegium Augurum
Salvete, and Greetings from the Eternal City!

As previously announced the Collegium Augurum is in open session through May 16, 2015.

Besides issues previously raised, I would like input with respect to two matters in particular.  The first is the issue of blood sacrifice. The second is the text and language of augury.  

Over the millenia religious practice has undergone reform, often, but not always, with beneficial effect.   With that in mind, I am contemplating that the Collegium should issue an edict banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.  Every so often I sense a longing from some of our citizens as well as from non-citizen cultors for a return to that form of fundamentalism, and it worries me.  I believe there has been evolution beyond that notion and I fear that issue being used as a weapon against the Religio and against our Republic. At the same time, I do not wish to act precipitously and I therefore request your input.  If you agree with me, I would like to hear about it. If you believe I am wrong, persuade me to do otherwise!

With respect to the language of augury, I believe the use of Latin to be prefered provided the practitioner understands what is being spoken.  I remember as a youth praying in a foreign language along with other people, many of whom without much idea of what was actually being said.  So there are two issues to be considered.  The first is that it is requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practitioner (including those who privately take auspices) even if that language is not Latin.  The second is the composition of appropriate text.  I have not been able to discover text that by consensus is preferred and I believe we should strive to remedy that situation.   

While in Rome, I will seek divine guidance and also consult with others regarding the above matters.  Meanwhile, any citizen or interested party may raise other issues relating to augury.  No edict will issue unless there is consensus among the members of the Collegium.

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus
Magister Collegii






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94974 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-18
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Ave,

We should not ban blood sacrifice at all at any level.  As I posted recently on the BA Jews have already started practicing blood sacrifice again, since it will resume once the Temple of Jerusalem is rebuilt.  I will find it very amusing to have us Jews keep up animal sacrifice but the Romans abandoning it.

We are too distant from our food since we are able to go to the supermarket and purchase it and that has taken away a connection we have had from the past.  This issue should be left up to the discretion of the augur to decide if they wish to do this particular sacrifice or not.   

Every couple of years we end up having this debate again, Nova Roma has always maintained toleration in this regards there is no reason that this should be changed.  Toleration and choice is the policy.  Should be the policy and should remain the policy.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94975 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-19
Subject: Session of the Collegium Augurum Extended to May 17th
Salvete!

The issue having been raised that the original date set for the end of the session is dies ater, the session is hereby extended to May 17th, so as to avoid any possible negative reaction.  While there is no technical reason a session cannot end on such a day since no voting procedure is involved, I consider the extension to be the best course of action and I wish to thank Q. Caecilius Metellus for his suggestion.

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Magister Collegii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94976 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-04-19
Subject: March issue of the Nova Roma Chronicle
Salvete omnes!

I am pleased to present the March issue of the Nova Roma Chronicle (albeit later than I wanted), and hope you will share it on FB and Twitter, etc.

http://novaromachronicle.blogspot.com/2015/04/march-monthly-report.html

Valete optime.

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Chronicler of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94977 From: Valeria Pavo Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Re: [ReligioRomana] Re: [Nova-Roma] Collegium Augurum
Salvete omnes,

I, too, agree that blood sacrifice should not be banned, but only if it is legal in the country in which the sacrifice is practiced. I also think that human blood should not be spilled in any case. 

As for the prayers, I have established my own shrine at home. I think we should work towards creating a list of prayers other than those already in the wiki and have more information on how augury and rituals are done. I have posted a few discussion threads about signs and performing these rituals, but there does not seem to be a consensus on how we can fully integrate the religio romana into our lives. 

Valete bene,
Pavo



On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 8:09, "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [ReligioRomana]" <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com  
Ave,

We should not ban blood sacrifice at all at any level.  As I posted recently on the BA Jews have already started practicing blood sacrifice again, since it will resume once the Temple of Jerusalem is rebuilt.  I will find it very amusing to have us Jews keep up animal sacrifice but the Romans abandoning it.

We are too distant from our food since we are able to go to the supermarket and purchase it and that has taken away a connection we have had from the past.  This issue should be left up to the discretion of the augur to decide if they wish to do this particular sacrifice or not.   

Every couple of years we end up having this debate again, Nova Roma has always maintained toleration in this regards there is no reason that this should be changed.  Toleration and choice is the policy.  Should be the policy and should remain the policy.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 1:42 PM, charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94978 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Collegium Augurum - Discussion
Salvete!

I want to thank all those who are participating in our discussions and encourage others to join in.  Your opinions and concerns are vital to our consideration of the matters in question.

With regard to the issue of blood sacrifice, I must point out that we have jurisdiction only over the activities of augurs engaged in public ritual.  The Collegium has no ability to control what others may do.  As far as public ritual is concerned, the proposed proscription would, in effect, codify the status quo as  blood sacrifices are not a part of current practice.  This would also function as a shield from criticism by meddlesome outsiders.

As for the language of augury, I suggest the compilation of appropriate text both in Latin and in other languages so that those who wish to take auspices in private matters and who do not fully understand Latin text may do so. 

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Magister Collegii

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94979 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-04-20
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
SALVE ET SALVETE!

My personal input:

A. Decree about banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.

A.1. Personal input:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following decree about sacrifices:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_sacrificiis_%28Nova_Roma%29

I find it very good and wise.


Sure, augures may have their own decree about taking auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice. It would be good as the Collegium Augurum decree to follow and to be in line with that issued by the Collegium Pontificum.

That it means that may be the personal decision of each augur to take or not auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice in accordance with their conscience and circumstances.

Otherwise, mandatory things may result in radicalism.


A.2 Official input:


I recommend to the Collegium Augurum to colaborate with the Collegium Pontificum about the decree want to issue, in case it affect the current one about sacrifices issued by the Collegium Pontificum. We don't need to have contradictory decrees.

As time as the Collegium Pontificum has general authority over the institutions, rites, rituals and so on...of Religio Romana, (Constitution VI.B.1.b), I as Pontifex Maximus, reserve the right to convene the Collegium Pontificum in case of decrees contradiction.


B. The language of augury.


B.1. Personal input:


For me, what was Latin in ancient times, is English in our times. In my opinion everything can be done as time as has English translation.

Therefore I consider is not requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practioner as time as the augury has English variant.

When it comes about the composition of the texts, is good initiative which enter under the constitutional collegium duties.


B.2: Legal view:


Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following law:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cornelia_de_linguis_publicis_%28Nova_Roma%29 

I think to it we must work first if are doubts.


VALETE,

Sabinus






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Salvete, and Greetings from the Eternal City!

As previously announced the Collegium Augurum is in open session through May 16, 2015.

Besides issues previously raised, I would like input with respect to two matters in particular.  The first is the issue of blood sacrifice. The second is the text and language of augury.  

Over the millenia religious practice has undergone reform, often, but not always, with beneficial effect.   With that in mind, I am contemplating that the Collegium should issue an edict banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.  Every so often I sense a longing from some of our citizens as well as from non-citizen cultors for a return to that form of fundamentalism, and it worries me.  I believe there has been evolution beyond that notion and I fear that issue being used as a weapon against the Religio and against our Republic. At the same time, I do not wish to act precipitously and I therefore request your input.  If you agree with me, I would like to hear about it. If you believe I am wrong, persuade me to do otherwise!

With respect to the language of augury, I believe the use of Latin to be prefered provided the practitioner understands what is being spoken.  I remember as a youth praying in a foreign language along with other people, many of whom without much idea of what was actually being said.  So there are two issues to be considered.  The first is that it is requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practitioner (including those who privately take auspices) even if that language is not Latin.  The second is the composition of appropriate text.  I have not been able to discover text that by consensus is preferred and I believe we should strive to remedy that situation.   

While in Rome, I will seek divine guidance and also consult with others regarding the above matters.  Meanwhile, any citizen or interested party may raise other issues relating to augury.  No edict will issue unless there is consensus among the members of the Collegium.

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus
Magister Collegii






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94980 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: PARILIA - 2768th BIRTHDAY OF ROME
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.

Happy 2768th birthday to Rome and the Roman People, and to our people, the Nova Romans! I have performed the Parilia ritual today for the well being of the Nova Roman Republic. The ritual that follows below is a ceremony that you can use today or in the following 8 days to honor the Parilia. I especially encourage our magistrates and priests to use this ritual:

SACRIFICIUM PARILIUM

A main altar called ara is set up oriented towards East. Fire is lit on top of the altar.
A smaller fireplace or round shape, called foculus is placed to the right of the ara. This smaller fireplace is used during the praefatio.
If there is no possibility to have these two altars separate, you may use just one.

The sacrifice consists of incense, libum, laurel leaves, milk, wine. 

If flute players are available, they start to play at the sign of the sacrificer. During the ritual, the sacrificer can be helped by another officiant, who reads the words of the ritual and whispers the words to him.

The sacrificer covers his head with the toga (which is called “capite velato” or “Gabino Ritu”). The other officiants can optionally have their heads covered as well.

The sacrificer washes his hands and says:

"Favete linguis!"
 
I. Praefatio

Offer these sacrifices at the foculus.

Iane pater, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.
 
“Iuppiter, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.
 
Mars pater,
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

“Quirine pater, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

“Pales, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius vel propitia
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

"Iane pater, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
“Iuppiter, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
“Mars pater, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
"Quirine pater,
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."
 
Wine sacrificed.
 
“Pales, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino lacte mixto inferio esto."

Wine mixed with milk sacrificed.

II. Sacrificium

Then, the main part of the sacrifice starts, which takes place at the main altar instead of the smaller foculus.

Precatio

"Pales, sive deus sive dea es, 
uti hodie Parilia sunt, 
quarumque rerum ergo quodque melius siet 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus 
tibi libo, lacte, et laureo sacrum fiat: 
te quaeso precorque, 
uti imperium maiestatemque populi (Novi) Romani Quiritium 
semper auxis, 
utique semper Latinum nomen tueare,
incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus tribuas, 
faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, 
legionibusque reconstructivis populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
Remque Publicam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, 
utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant in Nova Roma unifices,
utique sies volens propitius vel propitia 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
utique huius sacrifici acceptor vel acceptrix sies
libi et lactis et laureis et turis libandi."

Sacrificium

"Harum rerum ergo 
macte hoc libo, hoc lacte, his laureis, hoc ture 
esto, fito volens propitius vel propitia 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus."

Libum, milk, laurel leaves, incense are sacrificed.

"Ilicet!"

III. Profanatio

The profanation of the offerings follows. The sacrificer symbolically touches the fraction of the libum and milk that was not sacrificed and the participants eat the fraction of the meal that was not offered to the deity, which ends the sacrifice.

IV. Piaculum

Iane, Iuppiter, Mars pater, Quirine pater, Pales,
si quid vitii in hac caerimonia vobis displicuit,
hoc ture dato veniam peto,
et vitium meum expio.

Incense is sacrificed.

THE END

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94981 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Cn. Lentulus pontifex auguribus praesertim C. Claudio auguri s. p. d.


My opinion is largely the same as that of T. Sabinus pontifex maximus'.

I think that the decretum of the augures must remain in line with the respective decretum of the pontifices.

I also think that animal sacrifice may not be officially banned, since that would result in banning the Roman religion of which this particular venerance of animals is an integral part (even if not practiced).

Yes, I speak about venerance shown towards animals. Because there is nothing more human, more respectful, more pro-animal, nothing nobler gesture towards the animals, than the Roman practice of eating meat at celebrations only after a careful homage paid to the animal to be eaten, and to the Gods and Nature which gave life both to the animal and to us. Because Roman animal sacrifice is nothing else but this: consuming meat to celebrate a big festival. The difference between our modern costums of consuming meat during Christmas, Easter or Thanksgiving is that we usually eat these animals after they were brutally and industrially massacred in a form of an animal holocaust at large industrial execution places, while the Roman practice of eating meat at holidays was that they endear the chosen animal, they feed it with the best and most delicious foods the animal likes, they treat that animal like a chosen king for a period before being slaughtered. On the festival, they decorate that animal with flowers and with the utmost respect and solemnity, the community which is going to eat it honors it as a special being. The animal is given herbs of sedative and relaxing effects so that it remain calm and peaceful. Sacred rule prescribes that no animal may be sacrificed which shows anxiety, fear, reluctance or any sign that it is suffering or afraid of what is happening. After it is professionally slaughtered by an expert, which was always executed in a way that the animal dies immediately, the animal is served at the tables as the holiday's festive meal, and its usually inedible intestines are burned at the altar as a sign that it is returned to the Divine Sphere, to Nature, to the Universe, which gave it to us.

Is it at all possible to imagine a more respectful way to celebrate our religious holidays with a shared meal consisting of meat? Any other way to eat a holiday dinner of meat is just brutally inconsiderate and unrespectful to the divine origine of life which was taken away of that animal. I think we should even consider that animal sacrifice is the ONLY way an animal should be allowed to be eaten.

But what's my point with this? I think it is obvious that at this point Nova Romans usually can not arrange such a big event where they could even eat meat together, not to mention to buy a full animal and hire a professional to do the slaughtering. Even if we could, at this point it is not the priority of any of us. All what we could do is offering little pieces of meat what we had for our meal -- which I do sometimes, which is, basically, a reduced form of animal sacrifice.

So, for all intents and purposes, the debate is not very actual. It was, when some years ago NR worked as a vibrant community, now our focus and energy should spent elsewhere, in more urgent issues.

But I think that it is important to clear up that Roman animal sacrifice is nothing sort of the thing which could be considered cruel or against modern age: it is more modern and more human than anything the modern meat industry does.

When it comes to PR and outside criticizers who don't care about finding out how noble and benign Roman animal sacrifice was, I think what we should do is not a ban on animal sacrifice, but for PR considerations we should stop using the words "animal sacrifice", and instead we should use the term "holiday meal of meat" or something like this. Because essentially this is what it is all about: to have our holiday meat in a religiously pious way -- not from a slaughterhouse, but from a solemn and respectful divine ceremony, honoring the animal, and the divinity in nature. So if anyone would want to celebrate a Roman festival with a barbeque, they should simply call it a "Roman celebration with a religious dinner of porc" -- or something like this, and to speak nothing about the fact that the porc to be prepared as dinner will be offered to the gods. We simply should not use the expression "sacrifice" in this context, and thus 99,99% of the critics would fade away. Because what we would do is simply that we eat our own prepared meat on a Holiday, and this preparation happens within the frames of a religious ritual which pays homage in a very humanistic way to the animal we are going to eat.

So if anything can be banned, it is at maximum a usage of words, but not the institution itself, because if we would never get our meat in a pious way, not even on holidays, then we will remain in constant violation of the pax deorum. Of course, we have been in violation ever since the 400s AD, but if we intend to restore the pax deorum, one of our steps in the future will have to be about restoring the pax deorum between men and animals, and it will be either the total ban of meat consumption, or the ceremonious regulation of animal offerings. Because if man takes the life of a living being for consumption, he has to pay due homage both to Nature, the Gods, and to the life of this animal. This also alerts people that consumption of animals should be as infrequent as possible (again very modern and Green thought, in line with modern thoughts about global dietary concerns), primarily only on holidays. Also, in general, according to Roman religion, if man consumes and enjoys something, he has to share it with the Gods anyway; and if it is an animal, then man must share it with the Gods the same way. There is no way to "write this out" of Roman religion. That wouldn't be our religion anymore. Even the Numa Tradition acknowledges this, but meat sacrifice was avoided because of modesty, parsimony and due to the very domestic nature of this primitive period of Roman religious practices (as animal sacrifice is almost never in domestic rituals). This is largely what we live now, what we do now. But to excommunicate the practice of offering and eating meat for certain holidays, it would not be in line with the theory of Roman religion, not even with the Numa Tradition.


Curate, ut valeatis!





Da: "iulius_sabinus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE ET SALVETE!

My personal input:

A. Decree about banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.

A.1. Personal input:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following decree about sacrifices:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_sacrificiis_%28Nova_Roma%29
I find it very good and wise.

Sure, augures may have their own decree about taking auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice. It would be good as the Collegium Augurum decree to follow and to be in line with that issued by the Collegium Pontificum.
That it means that may be the personal decision of each augur to take or not auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice in accordance with their conscience and circumstances.
Otherwise, mandatory things may result in radicalism.

A.2 Official input:

I recommend to the Collegium Augurum to colaborate with the Collegium Pontificum about the decree want to issue, in case it affect the current one about sacrifices issued by the Collegium Pontificum. We don't need to have contradictory decrees.
As time as the Collegium Pontificum has general authority over the institutions, rites, rituals and so on...of Religio Romana, (Constitution VI.B.1.b), I as Pontifex Maximus, reserve the right to convene the Collegium Pontificum in case of decrees contradiction.

B. The language of augury.

B.1. Personal input:

For me, what was Latin in ancient times, is English in our times. In my opinion everything can be done as time as has English translation.
Therefore I consider is not requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practioner as time as the augury has English variant.
When it comes about the composition of the texts, is good initiative which enter under the constitutional collegium duties.

B.2: Legal view:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following law:
I think to it we must work first if are doubts.

VALETE,
Sabinus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94982 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Update

Salvete amicae et amici,

The surgery went very well and I'm already back to my room. A little tired and with some pains but now focus on being able to return home.

I hope everyone has a great Roma birthday.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94983 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
SALVE!

Wish you quick recovery. Take care.

VALE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94984 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Glad you are back Amice!  Hopefully you will be back home soon!

Vale!

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94985 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update

Salve Crasse!

 

Excellent news!!!!!  Now all you have to do is …get entirely healed J

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94986 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: PARILIA - 2768th BIRTHDAY OF ROME
Happy birthday ROMA!!
From your child:
(Augustus Caesar) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Nero Romano Germanicus)
 




On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:29 PM, "'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.

Happy 2768th birthday to Rome and the Roman People, and to our people, the Nova Romans! I have performed the Parilia ritual today for the well being of the Nova Roman Republic. The ritual that follows below is a ceremony that you can use today or in the following 8 days to honor the Parilia. I especially encourage our magistrates and priests to use this ritual:

SACRIFICIUM PARILIUM

A main altar called ara is set up oriented towards East. Fire is lit on top of the altar.
A smaller fireplace or round shape, called foculus is placed to the right of the ara. This smaller fireplace is used during the praefatio.
If there is no possibility to have these two altars separate, you may use just one.

The sacrifice consists of incense, libum, laurel leaves, milk, wine. 

If flute players are available, they start to play at the sign of the sacrificer. During the ritual, the sacrificer can be helped by another officiant, who reads the words of the ritual and whispers the words to him.

The sacrificer covers his head with the toga (which is called “capite velato” or “Gabino Ritu”). The other officiants can optionally have their heads covered as well.

The sacrificer washes his hands and says:

"Favete linguis!"
 
I. Praefatio

Offer these sacrifices at the foculus.

Iane pater, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.
 
“Iuppiter, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.
 
Mars pater,
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

“Quirine pater, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius 
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

“Pales, 
te hoc ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precor, 
uti sies volens propitius vel propitia
populo Novo Romano.”

Incense sacrificed.

"Iane pater, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
“Iuppiter, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
“Mars pater, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."

Wine sacrificed.
 
"Quirine pater,
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino inferio esto."
 
Wine sacrificed.
 
“Pales, 
uti te ture ommovendo 
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc vino lacte mixto inferio esto."

Wine mixed with milk sacrificed.

II. Sacrificium

Then, the main part of the sacrifice starts, which takes place at the main altar instead of the smaller foculus.

Precatio

"Pales, sive deus sive dea es, 
uti hodie Parilia sunt, 
quarumque rerum ergo quodque melius siet 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus 
tibi libo, lacte, et laureo sacrum fiat: 
te quaeso precorque, 
uti imperium maiestatemque populi (Novi) Romani Quiritium 
semper auxis, 
utique semper Latinum nomen tueare,
incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus tribuas, 
faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, 
legionibusque reconstructivis populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
Remque Publicam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, 
utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant in Nova Roma unifices,
utique sies volens propitius vel propitia 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
utique huius sacrifici acceptor vel acceptrix sies
libi et lactis et laureis et turis libandi."

Sacrificium

"Harum rerum ergo 
macte hoc libo, hoc lacte, his laureis, hoc ture 
esto, fito volens propitius vel propitia 
populo Novo Romano Quiritibus."

Libum, milk, laurel leaves, incense are sacrificed.

"Ilicet!"

III. Profanatio

The profanation of the offerings follows. The sacrificer symbolically touches the fraction of the libum and milk that was not sacrificed and the participants eat the fraction of the meal that was not offered to the deity, which ends the sacrifice.

IV. Piaculum

Iane, Iuppiter, Mars pater, Quirine pater, Pales,
si quid vitii in hac caerimonia vobis displicuit,
hoc ture dato veniam peto,
et vitium meum expio.

Incense is sacrificed.

THE END



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94987 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Happy Parilia
Salvete citizens,

we the PRAETORS wish happy Parilia birthday of Roma to all of you citizens of Nova Roma !

Remaining in your humble service:

--

Sextus Lucilius Tutor and Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus
The Praetors


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94988 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: EDICTUM III of Praetor Sext. Lucilius Tutor about scriba appointment
EDICTUM DE SCRIBA CREANDO

This edict on appointing a Latin assistant on this day honors the Parilia with its timing.

I. By this edict, Aulus Scribonius Nasica is appointed scriba praetorius to assist the praetor on Latin matters.

II. Effective immediately.

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94989 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Update
Welcome home Crasse!
 




On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:04 AM, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Crasse!
 
Excellent news!!!!!  Now all you have to do is …get entirely healed J
 
Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94990 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Parília
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Bonum felicem fortunatum diem natalem Urbi Romae exopto!  I wish a very happy birthday to the city of Rome!  

Valete!  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94991 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-04-21
Subject: Re: Collegium Augurum
Omnibus Quiritibus et praesertim Auguribus Sacerdotibusque,
I never saw  as deep and correct peroration for sacrifice made by our Magistro Lentulo as this one. I invite you to a simple reflection: sacrifice comes from the Latin words  "sacrum facere" which literally means "to make holy the animal" that is sacrificed in order that   human beings can live. In our current society, we waste meat and we do not know which value has meat. How humanely can we  kill an animal sparing it from suffering and blessing its death because it gives us life? I think: now no one; even monotheists, our  Jewish brothers of Nova Roma, express no more  Beracah ( benedictionem) before eating meat. I have never sacrificed an animal,  but every time I eat meat I offer a sincere blessing to the soul  of animal that allows me to live. Now honestly I address to vegetarianism and I'm happy. Lentule orator maxime, with clear words you let us understand the complexity of the serious problem of animal sacrifice. Kudos to you for your winged words.
Curate ut optime valeatis



Il Martedì 21 Aprile 2015 13:17, "'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Lentulus pontifex auguribus praesertim C. Claudio auguri s. p. d.


My opinion is largely the same as that of T. Sabinus pontifex maximus'.

I think that the decretum of the augures must remain in line with the respective decretum of the pontifices.

I also think that animal sacrifice may not be officially banned, since that would result in banning the Roman religion of which this particular venerance of animals is an integral part (even if not practiced).

Yes, I speak about venerance shown towards animals. Because there is nothing more human, more respectful, more pro-animal, nothing nobler gesture towards the animals, than the Roman practice of eating meat at celebrations only after a careful homage paid to the animal to be eaten, and to the Gods and Nature which gave life both to the animal and to us. Because Roman animal sacrifice is nothing else but this: consuming meat to celebrate a big festival. The difference between our modern costums of consuming meat during Christmas, Easter or Thanksgiving is that we usually eat these animals after they were brutally and industrially massacred in a form of an animal holocaust at large industrial execution places, while the Roman practice of eating meat at holidays was that they endear the chosen animal, they feed it with the best and most delicious foods the animal likes, they treat that animal like a chosen king for a period before being slaughtered. On the festival, they decorate that animal with flowers and with the utmost respect and solemnity, the community which is going to eat it honors it as a special being. The animal is given herbs of sedative and relaxing effects so that it remain calm and peaceful. Sacred rule prescribes that no animal may be sacrificed which shows anxiety, fear, reluctance or any sign that it is suffering or afraid of what is happening. After it is professionally slaughtered by an expert, which was always executed in a way that the animal dies immediately, the animal is served at the tables as the holiday's festive meal, and its usually inedible intestines are burned at the altar as a sign that it is returned to the Divine Sphere, to Nature, to the Universe, which gave it to us.

Is it at all possible to imagine a more respectful way to celebrate our religious holidays with a shared meal consisting of meat? Any other way to eat a holiday dinner of meat is just brutally inconsiderate and unrespectful to the divine origine of life which was taken away of that animal. I think we should even consider that animal sacrifice is the ONLY way an animal should be allowed to be eaten.

But what's my point with this? I think it is obvious that at this point Nova Romans usually can not arrange such a big event where they could even eat meat together, not to mention to buy a full animal and hire a professional to do the slaughtering. Even if we could, at this point it is not the priority of any of us. All what we could do is offering little pieces of meat what we had for our meal -- which I do sometimes, which is, basically, a reduced form of animal sacrifice.

So, for all intents and purposes, the debate is not very actual. It was, when some years ago NR worked as a vibrant community, now our focus and energy should spent elsewhere, in more urgent issues.

But I think that it is important to clear up that Roman animal sacrifice is nothing sort of the thing which could be considered cruel or against modern age: it is more modern and more human than anything the modern meat industry does.

When it comes to PR and outside criticizers who don't care about finding out how noble and benign Roman animal sacrifice was, I think what we should do is not a ban on animal sacrifice, but for PR considerations we should stop using the words "animal sacrifice", and instead we should use the term "holiday meal of meat" or something like this. Because essentially this is what it is all about: to have our holiday meat in a religiously pious way -- not from a slaughterhouse, but from a solemn and respectful divine ceremony, honoring the animal, and the divinity in nature. So if anyone would want to celebrate a Roman festival with a barbeque, they should simply call it a "Roman celebration with a religious dinner of porc" -- or something like this, and to speak nothing about the fact that the porc to be prepared as dinner will be offered to the gods. We simply should not use the expression "sacrifice" in this context, and thus 99,99% of the critics would fade away. Because what we would do is simply that we eat our own prepared meat on a Holiday, and this preparation happens within the frames of a religious ritual which pays homage in a very humanistic way to the animal we are going to eat.

So if anything can be banned, it is at maximum a usage of words, but not the institution itself, because if we would never get our meat in a pious way, not even on holidays, then we will remain in constant violation of the pax deorum. Of course, we have been in violation ever since the 400s AD, but if we intend to restore the pax deorum, one of our steps in the future will have to be about restoring the pax deorum between men and animals, and it will be either the total ban of meat consumption, or the ceremonious regulation of animal offerings. Because if man takes the life of a living being for consumption, he has to pay due homage both to Nature, the Gods, and to the life of this animal. This also alerts people that consumption of animals should be as infrequent as possible (again very modern and Green thought, in line with modern thoughts about global dietary concerns), primarily only on holidays. Also, in general, according to Roman religion, if man consumes and enjoys something, he has to share it with the Gods anyway; and if it is an animal, then man must share it with the Gods the same way. There is no way to "write this out" of Roman religion. That wouldn't be our religion anymore. Even the Numa Tradition acknowledges this, but meat sacrifice was avoided because of modesty, parsimony and due to the very domestic nature of this primitive period of Roman religious practices (as animal sacrifice is almost never in domestic rituals). This is largely what we live now, what we do now. But to excommunicate the practice of offering and eating meat for certain holidays, it would not be in line with the theory of Roman religion, not even with the Numa Tradition.


Curate, ut valeatis!





Da: "iulius_sabinus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE ET SALVETE!

My personal input:

A. Decree about banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.

A.1. Personal input:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following decree about sacrifices:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_sacrificiis_%28Nova_Roma%29
I find it very good and wise.

Sure, augures may have their own decree about taking auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice. It would be good as the Collegium Augurum decree to follow and to be in line with that issued by the Collegium Pontificum.
That it means that may be the personal decision of each augur to take or not auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice in accordance with their conscience and circumstances.
Otherwise, mandatory things may result in radicalism.

A.2 Official input:

I recommend to the Collegium Augurum to colaborate with the Collegium Pontificum about the decree want to issue, in case it affect the current one about sacrifices issued by the Collegium Pontificum. We don't need to have contradictory decrees.
As time as the Collegium Pontificum has general authority over the institutions, rites, rituals and so on...of Religio Romana, (Constitution VI.B.1.b), I as Pontifex Maximus, reserve the right to convene the Collegium Pontificum in case of decrees contradiction.

B. The language of augury.

B.1. Personal input:

For me, what was Latin in ancient times, is English in our times. In my opinion everything can be done as time as has English translation.
Therefore I consider is not requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practioner as time as the augury has English variant.
When it comes about the composition of the texts, is good initiative which enter under the constitutional collegium duties.

B.2: Legal view:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following law:
I think to it we must work first if are doubts.

VALETE,
Sabinus





---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <charlesaronowitz@...




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94992 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-04-22
Subject: Re: Update
Salve Crasse amice,

Glad to hear the procedure went well for you. Welcome back, and may your recovery be swift. I will offer prayers for you.

Vale optime!

Ti. Cassius Atellus
Quaestor

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94993 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-04-22
Subject: Collegium Augurum - Decision
Salve Lentule, et salvete!

Thank you for your learned opinion which amounts to a miniature dissertation.  I find it persuasive.  If ritual sacrifice were to be done in the manner you describe, it would be perfectly acceptable.  As you point out, such ritual is not presently practiced.  Further, it does not seem likely that it will recommence at any time in the foreseeable future.  I have come to the conclusion that the Collegium Augurum does not need to issue a decree on the subject.

You also discuss the public relations aspect.  That issue is not so easily set aside.  I believe  many who consider Nova Roma as a potential part of their lives are negatively influenced by a perception that blood sacrifice is a desired activity.  They have their own conceptions of what that involves and probably do not understand it as you have presented it.  Perhaps your presentation should be published on the NR site so that those exploring the site may benefit from your explanation.

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Magister Collegii


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:14:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Collegium Augurum

 

Cn. Lentulus pontifex auguribus praesertim C. Claudio auguri s. p. d.


My opinion is largely the same as that of T. Sabinus pontifex maximus'.

I think that the decretum of the augures must remain in line with the respective decretum of the pontifices.

I also think that animal sacrifice may not be officially banned, since that would result in banning the Roman religion of which this particular venerance of animals is an integral part (even if not practiced).

Yes, I speak about venerance shown towards animals. Because there is nothing more human, more respectful, more pro-animal, nothing nobler gesture towards the animals, than the Roman practice of eating meat at celebrations only after a careful homage paid to the animal to be eaten, and to the Gods and Nature which gave life both to the animal and to us. Because Roman animal sacrifice is nothing else but this: consuming meat to celebrate a big festival. The difference between our modern costums of consuming meat during Christmas, Easter or Thanksgiving is that we usually eat these animals after they were brutally and industrially massacred in a form of an animal holocaust at large industrial execution places, while the Roman practice of eating meat at holidays was that they endear the chosen animal, they feed it with the best and most delicious foods the animal likes, they treat that animal like a chosen king for a period before being slaughtered. On the festival, they decorate that animal with flowers and with the utmost respect and solemnity, the community which is going to eat it honors it as a special being. The animal is given herbs of sedative and relaxing effects so that it remain calm and peaceful. Sacred rule prescribes that no animal may be sacrificed which shows anxiety, fear, reluctance or any sign that it is suffering or afraid of what is happening. After it is professionally slaughtered by an expert, which was always executed in a way that the animal dies immediately, the animal is served at the tables as the holiday's festive meal, and its usually inedible intestines are burned at the altar as a sign that it is returned to the Divine Sphere, to Nature, to the Universe, which gave it to us.

Is it at all possible to imagine a more respectful way to celebrate our religious holidays with a shared meal consisting of meat? Any other way to eat a holiday dinner of meat is just brutally inconsiderate and unrespectful to the divine origine of life which was taken away of that animal. I think we should even consider that animal sacrifice is the ONLY way an animal should be allowed to be eaten.

But what's my point with this? I think it is obvious that at this point Nova Romans usually can not arrange such a big event where they could even eat meat together, not to mention to buy a full animal and hire a professional to do the slaughtering. Even if we could, at this point it is not the priority of any of us. All what we could do is offering little pieces of meat what we had for our meal -- which I do sometimes, which is, basically, a reduced form of animal sacrifice.

So, for all intents and purposes, the debate is not very actual. It was, when some years ago NR worked as a vibrant community, now our focus and energy should spent elsewhere, in more urgent issues.

But I think that it is important to clear up that Roman animal sacrifice is nothing sort of the thing which could be considered cruel or against modern age: it is more modern and more human than anything the modern meat industry does.

When it comes to PR and outside criticizers who don't care about finding out how noble and benign Roman animal sacrifice was, I think what we should do is not a ban on animal sacrifice, but for PR considerations we should stop using the words "animal sacrifice", and instead we should use the term "holiday meal of meat" or something like this. Because essentially this is what it is all about: to have our holiday meat in a religiously pious way -- not from a slaughterhouse, but from a solemn and respectful divine ceremony, honoring the animal, and the divinity in nature. So if anyone would want to celebrate a Roman festival with a barbeque, they should simply call it a "Roman celebration with a religious dinner of porc" -- or something like this, and to speak nothing about the fact that the porc to be prepared as dinner will be offered to the gods. We simply should not use the expression "sacrifice" in this context, and thus 99,99% of the critics would fade away. Because what we would do is simply that we eat our own prepared meat on a Holiday, and this preparation happens within the frames of a religious ritual which pays homage in a very humanistic way to the animal we are going to eat.

So if anything can be banned, it is at maximum a usage of words, but not the institution itself, because if we would never get our meat in a pious way, not even on holidays, then we will remain in constant violation of the pax deorum. Of course, we have been in violation ever since the 400s AD, but if we intend to restore the pax deorum, one of our steps in the future will have to be about restoring the pax deorum between men and animals, and it will be either the total ban of meat consumption, or the ceremonious regulation of animal offerings. Because if man takes the life of a living being for consumption, he has to pay due homage both to Nature, the Gods, and to the life of this animal. This also alerts people that consumption of animals should be as infrequent as possible (again very modern and Green thought, in line with modern thoughts about global dietary concerns), primarily only on holidays. Also, in general, according to Roman religion, if man consumes and enjoys something, he has to share it with the Gods anyway; and if it is an animal, then man must share it with the Gods the same way. There is no way to "write this out" of Roman religion. That wouldn't be our religion anymore. Even the Numa Tradition acknowledges this, but meat sacrifice was avoided because of modesty, parsimony and due to the very domestic nature of this primitive period of Roman religious practices (as animal sacrifice is almost never in domestic rituals). This is largely what we live now, what we do now. But to excommunicate the practice of offering and eating meat for certain holidays, it would not be in line with the theory of Roman religion, not even with the Numa Tradition.


Curate, ut valeatis!





Da: "iulius_sabinus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE ET SALVETE!

My personal input:

A. Decree about banning blood sacrifice in matters of augury.

A.1. Personal input:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following decree about sacrifices:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_sacrificiis_%28Nova_Roma%29
I find it very good and wise.

Sure, augures may have their own decree about taking auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice. It would be good as the Collegium Augurum decree to follow and to be in line with that issued by the Collegium Pontificum.
That it means that may be the personal decision of each augur to take or not auspices for rituals involving blood sacrifice in accordance with their conscience and circumstances.
Otherwise, mandatory things may result in radicalism.

A.2 Official input:

I recommend to the Collegium Augurum to colaborate with the Collegium Pontificum about the decree want to issue, in case it affect the current one about sacrifices issued by the Collegium Pontificum. We don't need to have contradictory decrees.
As time as the Collegium Pontificum has general authority over the institutions, rites, rituals and so on...of Religio Romana, (Constitution VI.B.1.b), I as Pontifex Maximus, reserve the right to convene the Collegium Pontificum in case of decrees contradiction.

B. The language of augury.

B.1. Personal input:

For me, what was Latin in ancient times, is English in our times. In my opinion everything can be done as time as has English translation.
Therefore I consider is not requisite for augury to be conducted in a language understood by the practioner as time as the augury has English variant.
When it comes about the composition of the texts, is good initiative which enter under the constitutional collegium duties.

B.2: Legal view:

Currently in Nova Roma is in force the following law:
I think to it we must work first if are doubts.

VALETE,
Sabinus





---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <charlesaronowitz@...



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94994 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-24
Subject: Back at home

Salvete amicae et amici,

I'm finally at home but it seems such little things as dress, move and reach home left me completely burn out. I'm going to sleep and come back later on.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94995 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-24
Subject: Re: Back at home

Salve Crasse!

 

Yes, getting lots of rest is very good for you, right now …take your time, and let your body do the work of healing itself J.  Don’t get in Nature’s way, she does know what she’s doing, usually J.

 

Vale quam optime!

Maria

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94996 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: question ...
Salvete Omnes!

I know I should know this, but I can't call the date to mind. There was a
major earthquake in Pompeii some years before the eruption of Vesuvius that
destroyed the city. I've been trying to search for the date, but I get
entirely frustrated with trying to find specific information on either
Google search or Asl.com ...my mind doesn't seem to work like that of
whoever constructs those accursed search engines ...so ...I'm coming here
for help :). I seem to think it was sometime around 62 AD ...but ..shrug.

Gratias Tibi ago!
Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94997 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: Re: question ...
Salve,
February 5, 62AD; August 20, 79; then another on the day of eruption August 24, 79AD.
(ACG) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (NRG)
 




On Monday, April 27, 2015 3:24 AM, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete Omnes!

I know I should know this, but I can't call the date to mind. There was a
major earthquake in Pompeii some years before the eruption of Vesuvius that
destroyed the city. I've been trying to search for the date, but I get
entirely frustrated with trying to find specific information on either
Google search or Asl.com ...my mind doesn't seem to work like that of
whoever constructs those accursed search engines ...so ...I'm coming here
for help :). I seem to think it was sometime around 62 AD ...but ..shrug.

Gratias Tibi ago!
Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94998 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-26
Subject: Re: question ...

Salve Quadra, et Salvete Omnes!

 

Gratias tibi ago!  So …It turns out I had not misremembered!  Amazing!  It is the one in 62 AD that I was thinking of, because I am currently reading a novel set in Pompeii 4 years later, but that earthquake plays an extremely important role in the plot.  Thanks again!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria  Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 94999 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Tomorrow HOME
Avete Omnes,

Tomorrow I am finally going home!! :)

FINALLY!!!!

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95000 From: Teleri Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Tomorrow HOME
Hooray!!!!!!  Glad to hear this :D
BB
Teleri


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [BackAlley]" <BackAlley@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

Tomorrow I am finally going home!! :)

FINALLY!!!!

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95001 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
SALVE!

Awesome news! Congrats, you made it. Have great time at home and all the best.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95002 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME

Salve amice,

Amazing news.!!

I'm very glad to hear it amice, it was really past time of you being able to be back at home.

Vale optime amice,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95003 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Salve Sulla,
Optatissimus!
Welcome back!
Vale,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
 




On Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:53 AM, "Aemilius Crassus c.aemilius.crassus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve amice,
Amazing news.!!
I'm very glad to hear it amice, it was really past time of you being able to be back at home.
Vale optime amice,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95004 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Ave Sulla,

Thank the gods.

Vale,

Petrus Augustinus 



On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:57 PM, "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

Tomorrow I am finally going home!! :)

FINALLY!!!!

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95005 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Ave!  

Well here is the update.  I was expecting to go home today.  I even had travel arrangments and appointments set up for Thursday at the house thinking I would be home. LOL  But, it seems that I get to stay for about 2 more weeks because they are concerned of possible complications ie infection and such.  I was planning to leave because the insurance was going to cease coverage of the skilled nursing unit and I was fine with that....however the medical facility was not.  So, they are actually waiving the charges for the month of May.  I even asked to get this in writing just for protection and to ensure no charges will be sent to me or my insurance provider.  So, it seems I am staying here for a bit longer.  They want to make sure the graft is successful and right now its at about 60%.  I think I have about 2 weeks to go realistically then the graft should be solid and I will be all in the clear. 

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95006 From: cmc Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME

Ave Sulla!

 

OK …which of those nurses have you entirely captivated?

 

Vale Bene!

CMC

 

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95007 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-04-29
Subject: Re: Tomorrow HOME
Ave,

Well there is the one that gives me chocolate milk every morning. LOL  

:)

Sulla