Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jul 1-31, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95080 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95081 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95082 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95083 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-03
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95085 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-07-03
Subject: R: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95086 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-04
Subject: Provincial Meeting / Roman Coin Exhibition - Canada Citerior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95087 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-04
Subject: Re: R: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95088 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: CHARIOT RACES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95089 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: GLADIATORIAL GAMES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95090 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: IPSE DIXIT QUIZ (WITH PRICE!!!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95091 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: Correction: Prize (not Price)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95092 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95093 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95094 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95095 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95096 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95097 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Ludi Apollinares
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95098 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Apollinares
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95099 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-08
Subject: Latin poetic composition contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95100 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-08
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES WITH PRIZES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95101 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES OPENING SPEECH
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95102 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: Opening Ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95103 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - 8TH EDITION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95104 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: latin poems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95105 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - IPSE DIXIT - 2nd Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95106 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES NEWS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95107 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - First Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95108 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95109 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95110 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95111 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95112 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Latin classes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95113 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - First Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95114 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95115 From: marikunin Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: sorry for my absence!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95116 From: M. Lollius Labeo Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95117 From: M. Lollius Labeo Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95118 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95119 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: sorry for my absence!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95120 From: marikunin Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: sorry for my absence!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95121 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Latin poetic composition contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95122 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95123 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 3 and 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95124 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95125 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES "IPSE DIXIT" - Day 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95126 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal account delayed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95127 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95128 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLIINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA: First Semifinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95129 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLIINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Second Semifinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95130 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95131 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Final
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95132 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES "IPSE DIXIT" quiz - DAY 5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95133 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Planeta Pluto (OT)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95134 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95135 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95136 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - Final
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95137 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95138 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95139 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Allons!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95140 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95141 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95142 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95143 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95144 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95145 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES CLOSED
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95146 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95147 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95148 From: logsdonethan Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Settling accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95149 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES CLOSED
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95150 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: Settling accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95151 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Roman History Podcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95152 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: Settling accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95154 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-07-17
Subject: Re: Latin classes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95155 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-17
Subject: Re: Latin classes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95156 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-18
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95157 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-18
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95158 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95159 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95160 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95161 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95162 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95163 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95164 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95165 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95166 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95167 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95168 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95169 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95170 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95171 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95172 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95173 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95174 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Website is Back
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95175 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95176 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Tut
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95177 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Tut
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95178 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95179 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95180 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-21
Subject: More podcasts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95181 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: Venator's long abscense
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95182 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95183 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - Final
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95184 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95185 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Roman game on Sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95186 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95187 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: AMSR - Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman game on Sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95188 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95189 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-25
Subject: Fyi Conversation update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95190 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Day of rememberance
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95191 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Re: Day of rememberance
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95192 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Re: Day of rememberance
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95193 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Palmyra article
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95194 From: Anthony Okojie Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95195 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95196 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95197 From: Anthony Okojie Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95198 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95199 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95200 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95201 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95202 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: A long time away
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95203 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95204 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: A long time away
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95205 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: A long time away
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95206 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95207 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95208 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95209 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95210 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95211 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95212 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95213 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: contacting other cives privately
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95214 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95215 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95216 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95217 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95218 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95219 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95220 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95221 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95222 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: A Trend developing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95223 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95224 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95225 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95226 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95227 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95228 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95229 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95230 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95231 From: C. Fabius Lupus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95232 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95233 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95234 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95235 From: Q.Albia Corvina Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95236 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95237 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95238 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95239 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95240 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95241 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95242 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95243 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95244 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95245 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95246 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95247 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95248 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95249 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95250 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95251 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95252 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95253 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95254 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Podcasts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95255 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Roman Baths Tour Podcasts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95256 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Re: We are dying.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95080 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Questions for the Censors
Salvete!

The tax season ended some time ago.  How many assidui are there amongst the citizenship of Nova Roma?  What is their distribution in the classes?

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95081 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve, Quadratus. Unfortunately I cannot answer your questions because these natters are in the hands of the CFO L. Cornelius Sulla. Only he would be able to reply properly. I know that you have regularily been appointed as my Scriba by the Senate, but you don't have any access yet to the database because neither I not Consul Caninus can do anything to give you access to your working tools. (The Consul contacted me personally and told me he has no power on this.) Also, it seems that the other person who controls and manages the censorial database tools is Cæsar. So I have been waiting for any of these people to act on this matter since February. I am still waiting...

Optime vale,
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus
Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95082 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve Censor ,
  Interesting, I don't understand now really who has got what job in the magistrates. I thought Consul Caninus was the Magister Aranearius and this mean Webmaster. Is he still around Nova Roma ? I hope he is OK. Caesar is also Webmaster too? I don't find any info about this on NR website and nothing in the senate M L archive.
  Quadratus, I too would like to hear statistics data of how many taxpayers we have . If I remember well, in the past the  taxpayer list was posted to forum at the end of year I think before election started. Am I correct?

Vale,
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95083 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-07-02
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve!

This is all very concerning to me.  It seems the wiki needs massive updating so we know who are the proper points of contact and official magistrates of Nova Roma.  

One thing I've noticed is that the titles and positions of ancient Rome take priority in searches.  For some reason, it was decided to list things as (for example):

/Praetor 
/Praetor_(Nova_Roma)

The Nova Roma title should take precedence because chances are that is what new members are looking for.  Perhaps this would be the better naming convenation?

/Praetor 
/Praetor_(Ancient_Roma) 

This way the current titles will be searched for and people will be able to find who they're looking for more swiftly?  Magistrates, from the Consuls and Senators to the Censors and Quaestors should all be updated with the latest information in easy-to access formatting.  Provincial pages should also be reorganized, standardized, and updated with proper contact information. 

I tried making a wiki account, but some sort of error popped up in the Album Civium when I went to do so.  Alas, that's neither here nor there.

I hope to see some basic reorganization in Nova Roma soon, for without it people who want to work are unable to fulfill their functions.  We are Romans, efficiency should be a source of pride.  We are also a lawful non-profit organization and should seriously look into things which may harm the organization.

Vale,

Titus Domitius Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-03
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve Placide.

I don't recall getting any emails requesting people be assigned passwords, so naturally without a request I didn't generate one. However since I read you were waiting for one for Quadratus, it is now established. I will email him with the log on details.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Quadratus. Unfortunately I cannot answer your questions because these natters are in the hands of the CFO L. Cornelius Sulla. Only he would be able to reply properly. I know that you have regularily been appointed as my Scriba by the Senate, but you don't have any access yet to the database because neither I not Consul Caninus can do anything to give you access to your working tools. (The Consul contacted me personally and told me he has no power on this.) Also, it seems that the other person who controls and manages the censorial database tools is Cæsar. So I have been waiting for any of these people to act on this matter since February. I am still waiting...

Optime vale,
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus
Censor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95085 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-07-03
Subject: R: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve, Cæsar. Thanks very much for your reply. The reason why I did not ask you to provide access data to Quadratus is simply that I was not aware I had to. I thought that it was one of the tasks of Consul Caninus, because of course he was the one who validated the Senate session in which Quadratus was approved as my Scriba. Later on, the Consul himself informed me personally that you are the one who controls
the censorial tools. At that point I decided to post in the ML just because I felt guilty for my mistake, i.e. asking him (the Consul) rather than you. Anyway I am glad that this matter has finally been settled.

Optime vale,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus 



-------- Messaggio originale --------
Da: "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Salve Placide.

I don't recall getting any emails requesting people be assigned passwords, so naturally without a request I didn't generate one. However since I read you were waiting for one for Quadratus, it is now established. I will email him with the log on details.

Vale bene
Caesar


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95086 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-04
Subject: Provincial Meeting / Roman Coin Exhibition - Canada Citerior
Salvete!

Citizens and potential citizens are hereby invited to the Canada Citerior provincial office at 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday, July 22, 2015, for a meeting to discuss matters of mutual interest.

The office is located at 4333 St. Catherine Street, West, Suite 420, in Montreal, Quebec (technically, it's Westmount).  There is plenty of street parking and the office is also close to bus and metro lines.

Among the matters up for discussion would be our participation in the games and contests scheduled for September and an introduction to the board game latrunculi.  There will also be exhibited Roman coins - Folles of the Tetrarchs.  Available for inspection will be folles of Diocletian, Maximian, Galerius and Constantius, from all of the fifteen mints involved in their production, as well as standard reference catalogs.

Anyone wishing to attend should notify me in advance.

Valete!
C Claudius Quadratus
Governor, Canada Citerior


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95087 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-04
Subject: Re: R: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Censors
Salve Placide

Under the senatus consultum the only role for a consul in the question of scribe access to the censorial database is to ensure the matter is put to the senate for a vote,The consul did just that, but beyond that a consul has no responsibilities to organize the granting of passwords. I assume that as soon as you raised the issue with Caninus he informed you who generates passwords and then I assume there was a delay until you posted on the ML. Regardless, it seems everyone is now clear how the process works, which is a good thing.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "Ugo Coppola ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Cæsar. Thanks very much for your reply. The reason why I did not ask you to provide access data to Quadratus is simply that I was not aware I had to. I thought that it was one of the tasks of Consul Caninus, because of course he was the one who validated the Senate session in which Quadratus was approved as my Scriba. Later on, the Consul himself informed me personally that you are the one who controls
the censorial tools. At that point I decided to post in the ML just because I felt guilty for my mistake, i.e. asking him (the Consul) rather than you. Anyway I am glad that this matter has finally been settled.

Optime vale,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus 



-------- Messaggio originale --------
Da: "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Placide.

I don't recall getting any emails requesting people be assigned passwords, so naturally without a request I didn't generate one. However since I read you were waiting for one for Quadratus, it is now established. I will email him with the log on details.

Vale bene
Caesar


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95088 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: CHARIOT RACES
Ex Officio Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Salve People of Nova Roma ,

I would like to inform all citizens of Nova Roma, during the Ludi Apollinares 2768 which will take place starting from 9 July, I will hold Ludi Circenses, Virtual Chariot Race, with assistance and management of Publius Annaeus Placidus.

I would like all citizens who wish to join in the Chariot Race to send me their chariot entries (a maximum of two chariots per person) according to the following table.16 chariots is the full number required to start the race, and once that number is reached no further entries shall be accepted.

1. Your name in Nova Roma
2. The name of your chariot
3. The name of your driver
4. The tactic you intend to use for the Quarterfinals and Semifinals races
5. The tactic you intend to use for the Final race.
6. The name of your FACTIO or team: Russata, Albata, Veneta, Praesina

Send your entries to ugo.coppola@... or to ugo DOT coppola AT tin DOT it.  DO NOT use any other addresses and DO NOT post your entries on the main list if you do not wish to be disqualified.

Send you entries until 9 July, midnight, Rome time.

Please feel free to add all the details you think suitable to items 2 and 3 - the more details I have, the better will the race accounts turn out to be. As for racing tactics (items 4 and 5), choose one from the Competition Rules page (http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_ludorum; scroll down to Circenses rules) and insert only the corresponding letter (A, B,C, D, E, F) in items 4 and 5. Dirty actions are allowed.

Good luck to everybody and... happy Ludi Apollinares !

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor of Nova Roma

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95089 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: GLADIATORIAL GAMES
Ex Officio Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Salve People of Nova Roma ,

This is my second announcement about the Ludi Apollinares 2768 which will take place starting from 9 July. Besides the Chariot Race, we intend to hold Munera Gladiatoria, Virtual Gladiatorial Combats, with assistance and management of Publius Annaeus Placidus.

MUNERA GLADIATORIA 
 
Please forward the following information on your entry:
 
A. Your name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of your Gladiator;
C. The type of your Gladiator;
D. Your tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
E. Your tactics for the Finals;
F. The name of your "factio" or team :
   Albata
   Praesina
   Russata
   Veneta
 
 
Gladiator Types:
 
1. RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a dagger. His defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that includes the shoulder.
2. HOPLOMACHUS: His weapons are a lance and a dagger. His defenses are a closed crest hull, circular small shield and metallic shin pads. His defenses are protection of right arm and he can take a pectoral plate.
3. MURMILLO: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are a closed great crest hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in right arm and shin pad in left leg.
4. THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His defenses are a closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of faucet, a quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to the thigh and protection in right arm.
5. SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in right arm and legs. Normally fight only against retiarii.
6. DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords (siccae). His defenses are protections in arms and legs.
 
Tactics:
 
1."Defensive" tactics. It adds one point, but the gladiator or animal has 40 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the public does not like these tactics.
2."Yourself" tactics. It neither adds nor take points. 50 % of probabilities of which the public asks for the death in case of defeat.
3."Total attack" tactics. It reduced one point, but the gladiator or animal has 65 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the public likes these tactics.

EVERYONE IS ENCOURAGED TO PLAY !!! 

Send your entries to ugo.coppola@... or to ugo DOT coppola AT tin DOT it.  DO NOT use any other addresses and DO NOT post your entries on the main list if you do not wish to be disqualified.

Send you entries until 9 July, midnight, Rome time.

Optime valete,
 
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95090 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: IPSE DIXIT QUIZ (WITH PRICE!!!)
Ex Officio Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor

This is the third announcement about the Apollonian Games.

With the help of Annaeus Placidus, his new edition of Ipse Dixit Quiz will be run at your pleasure, citizens of Nova Roma! The Ipse Dixit is a quiz on Latin language. This is a quiz based on famous Latin phrases, proverbs etc, including both historical and grammatical knowledge.

BUT THIS YEAR WITH A PRICE!

The winner will recieve the following book:

Essentials of Latin Grammar: A Practical Guide to the Mastery of Latin
(by W. Michael Wilson)


Recommendation for the book: "This is a convenient reference covering essential points of Latin grammar. Explanations are concise yet thorough and are accompanied by a wealth of examples to aid in reading and writing Latin. The language of the examples reflects the structures most frequently encountered in literature. For ease of use, concepts are discusses according to accidence (inflections) and syntax. This is one of the best Latin grammer books that exist. It is very precise and clear, and allows people to grasp Latin grammatical topics quickly. Great book for any one that really wants to learn AND MASTER the Latin language!"

Stay tuned!

The Ipse Dixit will start on the 9 July.

Vale
--
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95091 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-06
Subject: Correction: Prize (not Price)
My apologies. I was told that in my previous message I wrote price but the correct spelling is prize.
The Ipse Dixit Quiz winner will get the prize!

Vale,
--
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95092 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Ave,

I thought Sabinus had access to the root to establish access to the Censor tools.  That is something I have never had access too.  

I also am almost done working on the Tax rolls.  I just have been hesitant to release the data until the payment arrangements have all been satisfied and there are still some pending.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95093 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Ave,

The wiki is under the control of our Consul Caninus and I believe also Lentulus both of them should be able to help with adjustments to the Wiki.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95094 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
SALVE!

I don't have rights to establish access to the Censors tools.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95095 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Ave,

Ah ok my mistake. :)

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95096 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Questions for the Censors
Salvete!

Only Caesar can grant access to the Censor tools based on the configuration I have seen.

The Censor tools are a collection of web pages that are accessed with a password that is separate from a citizen's Album Civium password. I do not have an account to use those web pages or grant access for others to use those web pages.

Bene valete.

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95097 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Ludi Apollinares
Omnibus Novis Romanis S.P.D. scriba Scribonius Nasica in nomine Praetoris  Sexti Lucilii Tutoris,
To all Citizens of Nova Roma ,On behalf of Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, you are invited  to partecipate in  Latin  poetic composition  contest during the celebrations of  Ludi Apollinares. From 9th to 13th July you can submit  poems written in Latin.In attachment  you find  the  highlighted main aspects to be able to participate in . Essays should be sent to scribe Scribonius Nasica during this period, in order  to judge  them properly.Valete beneScribonius Nasica, scribe of Praetor Sextus Lucilus Tutor

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95098 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Apollinares
Caninus Nasicae s.p.d.

The Main List does not permit attachments - the list settings in Yahoo will strip out any attachments then post the text portions of the message to the list. Attachments should work fine in the Forum Hospitum and Back Alley. Depending on the nature of the attachment, I could post it on the Nova Roma website if you send me a copy. 

Bene vale!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95099 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-08
Subject: Latin poetic composition contest
Omnibus Novis Romanis S.P.D. scriba Scribonius Nasica in nomine Praetoris  Sexti Lucilii Tutoris,

To all Citizens of Nova Roma ,
On behalf of Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, you are invited  to partecipate in  Latin  poetic composition  contest during the celebrations of  Ludi Apollinares. From 9th to 13th July you can submit  poems written in Latin.In attachment  you find  the  highlighted main aspects to be able to participate in . Essays should be sent to scribe Scribonius Nasica during this period, in order  to judge  them properly.
POEM
TOPIC
LANGUAGE
EVALUATION  METHODS
           PRIZE
Poems  with or without metric, with or without rhymes. A maximum of ten  sentences written in Times New Roman- 12.
Rome and its history; the foundation of New Rome and its purpose.
Latin language.
Content ,aesthetic, grammar.
Score maximum : 12 points- i.e. maximum 4 points per subject.
Imperial classic  clean coin in good condition.
 
Valete bene
Scribonius Nasica, scribe of Praetor Sextus Lucilus Tutor

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95100 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-08
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES WITH PRIZES
Salve Romans,
Just to make you remember, this time we will honor Apollo with games with prizes.
It is worth participating to learn and get a free gift at the same time. 

THE IPSE DIXT QUIZ
In the quiz Ipse Dixit [by Placidus (R)] you will have to answer questions about Latin proverbs and famous sayings. Your 1st place prize will be a superb Latin Grammar Aids book: Essentials of Latin Grammar: A Practical Guide to the Mastery of Latin (by W. Michael Wilson). Recommendation for the book: "This is a convenient reference covering essential points of Latin grammar. Explanations are concise yet thorough and are accompanied by a wealth of examples to aid in reading and writing Latin. The language of the examples reflects the structures most frequently encountered in literature. For ease of use, concepts are discusses according to accidence (inflections) and syntax. This is one of the best Latin grammer books that exist. It is very precise and clear, and allows people to grasp Latin grammatical topics quickly. Great book for any one that really wants to learn AND MASTER the Latin language!"

SCRIBONIUS NASICA'S LATIN COMPOSITION CONTEST
In Scribonius' Latin Contest you can submit poems written in Latin.Poems with or without metric, with or without rhymes. A maximum of ten  sentences written in Times New Roman- 12. Your 1st place prize will be an original ancient Roman imperial classic clean coin in good condition.

Happy Ludi Apollinares!
--

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95101 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES OPENING SPEECH
EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR

Citizens of Nova Roma,
I feel privilege as Vice President of Nova Roma to have the honor to hold the Ludi Apollinares festival, Apollonian games. Nova Roma has the tradition to celebrate Roman religious festivals with on-line games, and this is a noble tradition. It happens only at special occasions that a few of us can meet together to celebrate a Roman holiday, but with help of internet forums we can pay homage to the Gods and Goddesses and to Rome. A personal confession, Apollo is very dear to me. But Apollo was always a very popular deity. Apollo is the god of Sun, god of all arts, but why the Romans decided to celebrate Him it was because He is also god of healing. He heals the People and the Republic. If you are follower of Roman religion, pray for healing or keeping good health. If you aren't follower, think of the figurative meanings of this. Let's everybody dedicate a moment between July 9-13 to Apollo and healing and His importance in our Roman Nation / corporation. As Apollo is special deity of Hellas and philosophy, think also of our cultural ancient brothers the Greeks for a moment. Greece live difficult times and we in Nova Roma wish that Greece come out the problems and prosper within our Euro-Atlantic Western civilization. With this Apollonian Games, we will think of our common Hellenistic culture and philosophy heritage. From today to 13 July my praetorian team will give you some little possibilities to entertain yourself and honor Apollo. Some of the games will be more serious, like the Ipse Dixit Quiz about Latin proverbs and the Scribonius Nasica Latin Poetic Composition Contest, and we will award prizes for the winners. Some other games will be less serious, like the funny virtual chariot race and gladiator combat, which are also a lovely tradion to hold in Nova Roma as homage to ancient real ludi. I ask you to honor Apollo and Rome with participation in any or all of this games. I want here also to give my thanks and praises to Quaestor Cn. Cornelius Lentulus for helping to organize this Ludi Apollinares, and special thanks to Censor P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus for creating the virtual games and the Ispe Dixit Quiz newest edition. My thanks goes also to Scriba A. Scribonius Nasica, Scriba T. Domitius Draco, and non the less to my most respected Praetor Colleague A. Liburnius Hadrianus, Colleague Vice President of Nova Roma, for their big help in creating the games. The Ludi Apollinares will be ritually opened by Pontifex and Quaestor Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' opening sacrifice soon today.

I declare the Ludi Apollinares of 2768 a.u.c. OPEN!


Happy Apollonian Festival to you,   :)

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95102 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES: Opening Ritual
Cn. Lentulus pontifex et q. in nomine Sex. Lucilii Tutoris praetoris Quiritibus s. p. d.

I wish you Quirites a propitious Apollinaria in the name of the honorable Praetor Sex. Lucilius Tutor! 

We must now fill our hearts with good wishes and prayer in spirit together with Praetor Sex. Lucilius for a better future of Nova Roma. However, do not let only the highest ranking officials pray for our well being: I encourage all magistrates and citizens to offer sacrifices for Nova Roma during the Ludi Apollinares. It is important not to be Roman only in our actions, but also to be Roman in our hearts, in our mindset, and not only to do for Nova Roma, but also to love Nova Roma. As Praetor Sextus Lucilius said: if you don't practice religion, just think about Nova Roma and our mission; but if you are religious, pray to Apollo or to the deity you believe in. 

The ritual I have performed today afternoon has been this:


PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER

"Apollo Medice,
hisce tuis ludis Apollinaribus,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
praetoribus Sex. Lucilio Tutori et A. Liburnio Hadriano,
collegio pontificum et augurum,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Healing Apollo,
at these Apollonian Games of Yours,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Quiritian People of Nova Roma,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the the praetors Sex. Lucilius Tutor and A. Liburnius Hadrianus, 
to the college of the pontiffs and the augurs,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"Apollo Medice,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte hoc thure esto!"

Healing Apollo,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this incense.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)


PRECATIO - THE PRAYER


"Apollo,
hisce tuis ludis Apollinaribus,
in nomine praetoris Sex. Lucili Tutoris
te precor, quaeso, veneror, obtestor:
uti salutem Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
omnibus morbis et malis hominibus liberes;
utique morbos visos invisosque 
consiliaque impia malaque averrunces,
omnes aegros Novos Romanos
sanes, cures, medearis
ex omni aegritudene!”

Apollo,
at these Apollonian Games of Yours,
in the name of Praetor Sex. Lucilius Tutor,
we I and beseech you, I beg and pray you so
that you may confirm, strengthen and increase
the well being of the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
so that you heal the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
from all illness and wrongdoing;
so that you may keep away all illnesses visible and invisible;
so that you may heal, cure and recuperate
all sick Nova Romans
from all kinds of diseases.


SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE


"Harum rerum ergo macte
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
praetori et collegio pontificum et augurum,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For these reasons, thou blessed
by offering this incense,
be benevolent and propitious
to the Quiritian People of Nova Roma,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the praetor, to the college of the pontiffs and the augurs,
to me, to my household and to my family.


(Libation of wine is made, and incense is sacrificed.)


PIACULUM - THE EXPIATION

"Iane, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapi,
Apollo Medice,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
hoc lacte libando
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio."

Ianus, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapius,
Healing Apollo,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
All Gods Immortal, by whichever name:
if something in this ceremony was unpleasant to you,
by this milk
I do apologize
and expiate my mistake.

(Milk is sacrificed.)


Happy Ludi Apollinares!

Valete!

Cn. Lentulus
PONTIFEX
QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95103 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-09
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - 8TH EDITION

From the Praetorial Office of Nova Roma, I, the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, have the pleasure of welcoming you all to the Eight Edition of IPSE DIXIT created by Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus, our long-running quiz game based on a series of famous Latin quotations dating from all eras – from the Classical age to our own days.

  Thanks again to Placidus for creating this!


  The rules are simple. Each day, starting from April 9 and finishing on April 13, the final day of the Ludi Apollinares, a series of items shall be posted here. Each item will include a famous Latin phrase and 3 (or occasionally 4) questions relating to the phrase itself. All citizens may compete, and it is NOT NECESSARY to answer the questions related to one item before the next item is posted, as all items will be fully valid until the conclusion of the game. Each correct answer will have a score, and the highest scorer will be the WINNER!! If there is tie for first place, I will decide based on how quickly the answers were sent to me. SO TIME MATTERS AND YOU MUST SEND ANSWER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE !!


  The winners place prize will be a super Latin Grammar Aids book: Essentials of Latin Grammar: A Practical Guide to the Mastery of Latin (by W. Michael Wilson) Recommendation for the book: "This is a convenient reference covering essential points of Latin grammar. Explanations are concise yet thorough and are accompanied by a wealth of examples to aid in reading and writing Latin. The language of the examples reflects the structures most frequently encountered in literature. For ease of use, concepts are discusses according to accidence (inflections) and syntax. This is one of the best Latin grammer books that exist. It is very precise and clear, and allows people to grasp Latin grammatical topics quickly. Great book for any one that really wants to learn AND MASTER the Latin language!"


So, from my own side, all I can say to you now is…. happy Latin-ing! J

 

Optime valete omnes,

Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Praetor

 

 

ITEM I: ACTA EST FABVLA; PLAVDITE, CIVES!

 

1.            What is the literal English translation of this phrase? (3 points)

2.            Who is the purported originator of this phrase? (2 points)

3.            What is the most common usage of this phrase today? (2 points)


 

Please send your answers to lutorianis@... . Do NOT post your answers on the Main List otherwise you will be immediately disqualified from the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95104 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: latin poems
Omnibus Novis Romanis S.P.D. scriba Scribonius Nasica in nomine Praetoris  Sexti Lucilii Tutoris,

To all Citizens of Nova Roma ,
On behalf of Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, you are invited  to partecipate in  Latin  poetic composition  contest during the celebrations of  Ludi Apollinares. From 9th to 13th July you can submit  poems written in Latin. Here,  you find  the  highlighted main aspects to be able to participate in . Essays should be sent to scribe Scribonius Nasica during this period, in order  to judge  them properly.
POEM
TOPIC
LANGUAGE
EVALUATION  METHODS
           PRIZE
Poems  with or without metric, with or without rhymes. A maximum of ten  sentences written in Times New Roman- 12.
Rome and its history; the foundation of New Rome and its purpose.
Latin language.
Content ,aesthetic, grammar.
Score maximum : 12 points- i.e. maximum 4 points per subject.
Imperial classic  clean coin in good condition.
 
Valete bene
Scribonius Nasica, scribe of Praetor Sextus Lucilus Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95105 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - IPSE DIXIT - 2nd Day

EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR 


This is the 2nd Day of the Ipse Dixit quiz honoring the Ludi Apollinares. Thank you to who particiapted, we got many! And anyone can still join!


RULES: Each day, starting from April 9 and finishing on April 13, the final day of the Ludi Apollinares, a series of items shall be posted here. Each item will include a famous Latin phrase and 3 (or occasionally 4) questions relating to the phrase itself. All citizens may compete, and it is NOT NECESSARY to answer the questions related to one item before the next item is posted, as all items will be fully valid until the conclusion of the game. Each correct answer will have a score, and the highest scorer will be the WINNER!! If there is tie for first place, I will decide based on how quickly the answers were sent to me. SO TIME MATTERS AND YOU MUST SEND ANSWER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE !!


The winners place prize will be a super Latin Grammar Aids book: Essentials of Latin Grammar: A Practical Guide to the Mastery of Latin (by W. Michael Wilson) 


As a teaser, a new review of the book from another website:

"If you really want to get down to the nuts and bolts, the nitty-gritty, and the no-nonsense study of Latin, then this one is the way to go. W. Michael Wilson’s Essentials of Latin Grammar takes a spectacular page from Strunk and White’s Elements of Styleand omits needless words almost to a fault. There is a two-page preface and then it’s off to the races. One hundred forty-one rules later, you should emerge with a head full of Latin.Because of its brevity, you will need a side reference on grammatical terms to get through Wilson’s teachings. Trust me, when you’re wading through the weeds of the gerundive case, you’ll be glad for it. Wilson’s lessons are terse but still useful. If you know Latin and want to brush up on the syntax, or even if you’re just starting out, this is an incredibly rich guide to the structure of the language.


CURRENT STANDING OF THE CONTEST

Ranking is determined by the points you get, and ranking within the same point level is determined by quickness of answer (reply order point). The first to send answer get 1, the second 2 and so on. At the end of the game,the less reply order point you have, the better for you.If we will have ties in the 1st place, the winner is the one who has the least reply order points among the people whose normal points are the highest.

1st Place Ties

C. Cornelius Aculeo 7/7 (1)
C. Fabius Lupus  7/7 (4)
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus  7/7 (7)
Valeria Pavo 7/7 (8)
A. Tullia Scholastica 7/7 (9)
Marcus Pompeius Caninus 7/7 (10)

2nd Place Times

C. Claudius Quadratus  6/7 (2)
M. Lollius Labeo  6/7 (3)
Tiberius Marcius Quadra  6/7 (11)

3rd Place Ties

Sexta Laelia Macra 5/7 (5)
John L Barbato  5/7 (6)



Let's see today's item:


ITEM II: DAT VENIAM CORVIS, VEXAT CENSVRA COLVMBAS

 

1.            What is the literal English translation of this phrase? (3 points)


2.            Who wrote this phrase? (1 point + 1 bonus point for the source.)


3.            What is the metaphorical (non-literal) meaning of the phrase? (2 points)


Please send your answers to lutorianis@... . Do NOT post your answers on the Main List otherwise you will be immediately disqualified from the game.


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Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95106 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-10
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES NEWS

I announce that Cn. Cornelius Lentulus made a beautiful official Ludi Apollinares page for our Festival and programs, thank you Lentulus very much. Citizens can visit it here:


I also announce that the First and Second Quarterfinal of the Chariot Race are going to be run respectively in the morning and the evening of tomorrow, July 11th.

The Semifinal and the final are both going to be run on July 13th, last day of the Ludi, respectively in the morning and in the evening. 

On the 12th we're going to do the gladiatorial fights [four Quarterfinals, two Semifinals  (each featuring two survivors from the QFs) and one Final] scattered all through the day (morning, afternoon and evening). 

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95107 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - First Quarterfinal

Salvete omnes, and welcome to the Circus Maximus! This is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, momentarily stepping out of the quiet environment of my nicely furnished Censor’s office (and leaving the open-mouthed people in my Censorial staff asking each other: “Where’d he go?!?”) for the…well, a little blood and a little tears, but mostly the sweat & dust of the racetrack, to offer you a short report of this exciting, just-finished First Quarterfinal race. After all, I do know about this entire atmosphere all too well, having managed no less than six tournaments and having run as a pilot… ahem, a charioteer… in no less than four races!! Anyway, enough with the talking and let’s go straight to the chronicle. Lentule, you up there in the video director’s booth, you may roll the tape!

Okay, the first thing that hits your eyes is that this racing event for this year’s Ludi Apollinares is NOT going to be quadrichromatic as usual, but stricly bichromatic... as Russata and Veneta are the only teams who subscribed their chariots and drivers, and indeed the bleachers are a veritable triumph of reds and blues. From left to right on your screen, you can see the line-up for this 1st Quarterfinal: on lane I we have Potentia, owned by our Consul M. Pompeius Caninus and driven by Atrectus, a brewer from Vindolandia, who offsets his average height (168 cm) with an imposing muscular mass. He’s also got long brown hair and blue eyes… which definitely isn’t a minus for all the matronæ sitting in here, whose screams I hope you can hear! On Lane II, here comes Fulmen Punicum, owned by C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus and driven by Hanno Pœnulus – both he and Atrectus race for Veneta, the Blues. But the other half of the racetrack is a whole other color, as we have two Russata chariots in lane III and IV! On lane III, we have Ulpia Prima, owned by C. Æmilius Crassus and driven by Viriathus, who, I’m told, is a small but well-built man born in Lusitania in the city of Olisipo. He has been running in several races in Hispania and occasionally in some Ludi in Nova Roma. His preferred tactic is hurrying in the straight lines rather than trying to push the other chariots to the walls, but if pushed he will try to get even… to the point of almost forgetting the race itself! Ending the line-up in lane IV, we have a chariot named Nova Roma in honor of our Republic and owned by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus… hey, Lentule up there, that’s your young ’un! But I guess you already know that, do you? [Noise coming from Placidus’ left ear.] What? [He puts hs hand over the earphone in his left ear.] Yes, I know that you’ve told him M times not to waste his money on silly chariot races… but you can’t blame him, he’s young! [Incomprehensible voice from earphone.] No, he’s not young and stup… anyway, the driver on his chariot is a woman!!... a lovely-looking, blond- haired female driver called Dorothea… I think the males on the bleachers have something for THEIR eyes as well, don’t they?

The man you see standing proudly on the red starter’s podium is Prætor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, and the guy behind him is his assistant for regularity – his colleague Aulus Liburnus Hadrianus. I have the pleasure and the honor of calling both of them my friends. Lucilius has got the nappa in his hands… he is about to drop it… he does… and off they go!

LAP I

Dorothea on Nova Roma (or NR for short) starts off quite briskly and places herself before the other. She may be blonde and beautiful, but she’s also fierce… just see how she lashes her horses! Here comes the straight line, Viriathus on Ulpia Prima gets nearer… and nearer… and I can’t hear him, but I can definitely SEE him whistling to her!! I can also see that she’s not at all happy, and indeed she speeds up and overtakes him. The two Blue guys seem to lag behind for now, but it’s only the first lap, and the race is still on…

LAP II

Dorothea and NR are still keeping a solid lead, but the group behind them has, ahem, grouped up a bit more! Atrectus and Pœnulus have caught up, and although they belong to the same team, I can see them exchanging undecipherable but, I imagine, quite nasty insults. Atrectus on Potentia is getting quite dangerously close to the spina every time he turns around it, and I’m starting to get a huge concern that he’s going to crash sooner or later… I just hope he doesn’t.

LAP III

Hey, what’s happening out there between the guys in second and third place respectively? Let me see… well, Pœnulus is accelerating more and more, and apparently not watching where he’s headed… and the inevitable happens. BANG!! The right side of Fulmen Punicum just gave a mighty hit to the left side of Ulpia Prima… to the point that Viriathus almost jumped in the air. Well, knowing the man, he’s not the kind of guy who lets anyone get away with anything… and indeed here comes a huge counterpush from Ulpia Prima to the rival!! Unfortunately for Viriathus, though, his daring behavior has backfired… he made a sharpt left steer whed he was supposed to go straight, and he slipped back in third place, leaving the more-or-less unscathed Pœnulus to resume his pursuit of Dorothea…

LAP IV

Fourth dolphin goes down, the chariots prepare themselves for another perilous bend around that nasty spina… Potentia is about to pass them all by using its driver’s very rewarding but also very dangerous techique of “hugging the spina”… and…OH, NO!! Such a big crash just happened, that I guess you folks out there in front of your screens may have heard it even if you actually didn’t!! What a shame for our Consul… the left wheel of Potentia is barely hinged on its axis and I wonder whether he’s going to make it. In the meantime, furious Dorothea, her blond hair blowing  backwards as if caught by a tornado, has been strenghtening the lead she kept all the way through, and indeed she crosses the finish line first! Red explodes on the bleachers!! Closely following her are Fulmen Punicum, second, who does make the Semifinal, and the beaten Viriathus, third… I can still see them exchanging insults. And luckily for Potentia and the Consul, Atrectus does make it to the finish line… although his left wheel comes unhinged right on the line itself, sending poor Atrectus on the groud among the audience’s boo-boos… come on, Atrectus, go enjoy a pint of your excellent cervisia. You’ll do better next time!

OK, it’s now a quarter to five PM in the Circus and this is all for now from your improvised reporter... who’s goint to run back to the Censura immediately, otherwise they’re going to kill him! So this is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus signing off… and don’t forget to tune in again here this evening for the Second Quarterfinal!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95108 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal

Salvete omnes, optimi amici, and welcome back to the Circus Maximus for the Second Quarterfinal race of this year’s Ludi Apollinares. This is Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus speaking to you again and hoping that the nice guys from the Censura don’t bother me while I’m AWOL doing this… I’ve even shut off my mobile, or at least I think I did… [Mobile phone rings.] Oops, looks like I didn’t. Hello?...  Hi, Quadrate… where am I? On the racetrack, of course!... How do you mean “What are you doing there” ? Turn the TV on and you’ll see!... What? You’ve got a guy from Canada who’s just submitted a citizenship application? Well, you handle it! You’re Canadian yourself, for heck’s sake!... OK, sorry, I’ll be back in ten minutes. [Placidus clicks on mobile phone display – beep! – then puts mobile back in his prætexta’s belt bag and glances behind the camera.] Tullia, sorry, this is so stupid. [Female voice from behind the camera: “Don’t worry, Placide, this isn’t going out live. We’ll fix it.”] Oh, can you just cut it and back up a little bit? [Female voice: “Sure!”] Oh, well, then. [Short pause.]…

 

…Where was I? Ah yes, the race. Well, it may be the dimmer evening light, but the bleachers look to me a bt “redder” than before… Ah, here’s why: we’ve got three contestants for Russata and only one for Veneta on the track! Well, I bet that the lonely Blue will be particularily determined to win against the Reds. Here they are: on lane I Ulpia Secunda, sister chariot of Ulpia Prima, owned like its counterpart by the hot Spaniard C. Æmilius Crassus and driven by Sertorius, a former legionary and Centurio with a patch over his left eye and a special preference, I’m told, for saving all his energies for the last lap and for not hesitating in hitting his rivals as soon as they go even very slightly wrong! On lane II, here is the lonely Blue representative, Fragor, running for Veneta, owned by A. Iulius Paterculus and driven by Caratacus, a middle-aged man sporting some very cool tattoos, as far as I can see from here… hey, wait a minute! Aren’t those intricate spirals on his arms also painted in a vivid blue tempera on the chariot? I wonder what came first! On lane III, there’s Ralfy-M, a weird-named chariot owned by my friend Lentulus Jr.… no, not you up there, my dear director… your offspring!... and driven by a dark-skinned man whose name, Tyrannosarurus, doesn’t promise anything good… we shall see. Finally, in lane IV, we’ve got Taurus Flammeus, owned by Miss Tita Popilia Lænas – one of the very few strong-willed women in this male-dominated world! – and driven by a rather strong-looking guy named Triumphus.

Okay, they’re all ready now… Caratacus’ apparently sleepy horses seem to have suddenly woken up… my Prætorial friend Lucilius is also ready with his nappa… he drops it… and they’re off!

LAP I

Unlike the previous Quarterfinal, there is no clear leader during these first two turns of the dreaded spinæ in the Circus. Rather, all four chariots are very conspicuously (and maybe suspiciously, I’d say!) moving in a straight horizontal line along the track. Every now and then I can see the two big, bulky horses pulling Ralfy-M stick out their neck ahead of all the others… Maybe they’re a bit less elegant than Crassus’ and Sertorius’ pure-breed black Lusitanians, in close pursuit to the momentary leader, but those two brown steeds certainly appear stronger… may this be a case where pure breed counts very little, or maybe it’s just an impression of mine which derives from the sheer fury with which coal-black driver Tyrannosaurus is lashing them? We shall see in the next laps… I’m already witnessing the second bronze dolphin bowing his head downwards, which means it’s time for…

LAP II

Tyrannosaurus and Ralfy emerge from the mist, clearly ahead of their pursuers. Well, what can I say… I’m glad that this race is starting to have a leader, but… hey, young Triumphus, I’d look behind your back if I were you, because that wild driver next to you looks VERY unpredictable regarding what his next move could be! I see him slowing down – what the hell? Ah, I see now! Triumphus, watch your left side! Oh, gee, too late…. Ralfy furiously hits Taurus, which screeches against the wall… sparks from wheels’ spokes fly everywhere… what a mighty struggle!... but Triumphus has apparently found a curious way to move out of what could be a certain defeat and maybe worse than that… they’re parting… and I’m looking at the up-to-now unmovable Tyrannosaurus showing what looks like tears coming out his left eye… Close-up, please… no, it’s not tears. Triumphus spat in his eye!! The big dark man is clearly not pleased, and I bet he’s going to pull another trick now that the third dolphin goes down and we’re into…

LAP III

All of this funny exchange …well, folks, it WAS funny, you must admit it!... between the two lead drivers had somehow distracted me from what was happening behind them, but now I’m seeing Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda launching what definitely looks like a great attack on Tyrannosaurus’ leadership… and he manages perfectly! Now he’s just a few centimeters behind him… Tyrannosaurus apparently tries out his “slow-down-and-hit” trick again, but Sertorius is smarter – having used, with great profit, the same sort of tricky move in his past races – and swerves to the right in exactly the same moment as Tyrannosaurus doing the very same thing… making them both look like they’ve become momentarily inebriated. But the big man on Ralfy obviously isn’t, and with a “Now I’ll show you!” attitude he re-starts lashing his bulky horses like mad, now that the fourth dolphin is folding, marking the beginning of…

LAP IV

Gee, folks, what a race! What I’ve been modestly trying to describe to you up to now – and I really don’t know whether I’ve managed to do that…. after all I am a Censor, not a sports reporter! – has led to a very well-defined situaton which shows Tyrannosaurus on Ralfy in the lead, Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda closely following him, and Triumphus on Taurus Flammeus now pairing with Caratacus on Fragor, both struggling to get a place in the Semifinal while knowing at the same time that they’re never going to make it, as they’re both third!... Hey, what’s up now? One of Caracatus’ horses looks like he’s not feeling like racing any longer! He snorts, goes completely out of step, whinnies… and Fragor smacks the wall. Oh, such a stroke of bad luck… Caratacus is completely thunderstruck, and I can easily see why. He already knew that his supporters in the Circus wouldn’t see him again on the track until the next race event, of course, but finishing fourth after performing so greatly in such a great race is an undoubtable dishonor. So that’s how it ends, once again the bleachers are as red as the setting evening sun… and Caratacus climbs off his half-broken chariot with his head crumpled downwards, wanting to disappear. Luckily there’s his master Paterculus consoling him next to the stables…

… and this is the way this Second Quarterfinal ends. All that’s left to do for me, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, is signing off, and inviting you all to tune in tomorrow, for the Semifinal!

 

[Placidus moves aside and retrieves his mobile, unaware that Tullia is still filming him from behind the camera. She giggles.] Oh, you still there? [More giggling.] Well, duty calls. [He dials a number on the mobile, which beeps.] Hello, Censorial Office? This is Censor Placidus… No, I'm not saying where I am. May I speak to Quadratus, please?... OK, thanks….Hi, Quadrate. Sorry about the way I behaved before….  I was a complete fool and… What?... Wait a minute, are you actually telling me you liked it? [He blushes slightly.] No, you needn’t say that to me… you know I’m shy... Well, now I’m going straight back where you are… Oh, yeah? Can I stay here?...Well, thanks. You’re so kind, as usual. Bye. [He hangs up.] Could you ever picture that, Tullia? He told me I was perfect in my chronicle!

[Tullia, from behind the camera: “Well, did you have any doubts?”]

Well, yes… no, I mean… I’m a Censor…

[Tullia: “Aw, whatever you are doesn’t matter. You WERE perfect. And that’s that.”]

 

P.S.: In all of the above, “Tullia” is not meant to refer to any real person in particular. It is just a female name that I like, and because of that I chose it as the name of my camera operator. ;-)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95109 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Salvete!

Ah, the truth comes out.  Cell phones caused the fall of the Republic.  Those works of the devil must be banished and buried on a small island.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:23:08 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal

 

Salvete omnes, optimi amici, and welcome back to the Circus Maximus for the Second Quarterfinal race of this year’s Ludi Apollinares. This is Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus speaking to you again and hoping that the nice guys from the Censura don’t bother me while I’m AWOL doing this… I’ve even shut off my mobile, or at least I think I did… [Mobile phone rings.] Oops, looks like I didn’t. Hello?...  Hi, Quadrate… where am I? On the racetrack, of course!... How do you mean “What are you doing there” ? Turn the TV on and you’ll see!... What? You’ve got a guy from Canada who’s just submitted a citizenship application? Well, you handle it! You’re Canadian yourself, for heck’s sake!... OK, sorry, I’ll be back in ten minutes. [Placidus clicks on mobile phone display – beep! – then puts mobile back in his prætexta’s belt bag and glances behind the camera.] Tullia, sorry, this is so stupid. [Female voice from behind the camera: “Don’t worry, Placide, this isn’t going out live. We’ll fix it.”] Oh, can you just cut it and back up a little bit? [Female voice: “Sure!”] Oh, well, then. [Short pause.]…

 

…Where was I? Ah yes, the race. Well, it may be the dimmer evening light, but the bleachers look to me a bt “redder” than before… Ah, here’s why: we’ve got three contestants for Russata and only one for Veneta on the track! Well, I bet that the lonely Blue will be particularily determined to win against the Reds. Here they are: on lane I Ulpia Secunda, sister chariot of Ulpia Prima, owned like its counterpart by the hot Spaniard C. Æmilius Crassus and driven by Sertorius, a former legionary and Centurio with a patch over his left eye and a special preference, I’m told, for saving all his energies for the last lap and for not hesitating in hitting his rivals as soon as they go even very slightly wrong! On lane II, here is the lonely Blue representative, Fragor, running for Veneta, owned by A. Iulius Paterculus and driven by Caratacus, a middle-aged man sporting some very cool tattoos, as far as I can see from here… hey, wait a minute! Aren’t those intricate spirals on his arms also painted in a vivid blue tempera on the chariot? I wonder what came first! On lane III, there’s Ralfy-M, a weird-named chariot owned by my friend Lentulus Jr.… no, not you up there, my dear director… your offspring!... and driven by a dark-skinned man whose name, Tyrannosarurus, doesn’t promise anything good… we shall see. Finally, in lane IV, we’ve got Taurus Flammeus, owned by Miss Tita Popilia Lænas – one of the very few strong-willed women in this male-dominated world! – and driven by a rather strong-looking guy named Triumphus.

Okay, they’re all ready now… Caratacus’ apparently sleepy horses seem to have suddenly woken up… my Prætorial friend Lucilius is also ready with his nappa… he drops it… and they’re off!

LAP I

Unlike the previous Quarterfinal, there is no clear leader during these first two turns of the dreaded spinæ in the Circus. Rather, all four chariots are very conspicuously (and maybe suspiciously, I’d say!) moving in a straight horizontal line along the track. Every now and then I can see the two big, bulky horses pulling Ralfy-M stick out their neck ahead of all the others… Maybe they’re a bit less elegant than Crassus’ and Sertorius’ pure-breed black Lusitanians, in close pursuit to the momentary leader, but those two brown steeds certainly appear stronger… may this be a case where pure breed counts very little, or maybe it’s just an impression of mine which derives from the sheer fury with which coal-black driver Tyrannosaurus is lashing them? We shall see in the next laps… I’m already witnessing the second bronze dolphin bowing his head downwards, which means it’s time for…

LAP II

Tyrannosaurus and Ralfy emerge from the mist, clearly ahead of their pursuers. Well, what can I say… I’m glad that this race is starting to have a leader, but… hey, young Triumphus, I’d look behind your back if I were you, because that wild driver next to you looks VERY unpredictable regarding what his next move could be! I see him slowing down – what the hell? Ah, I see now! Triumphus, watch your left side! Oh, gee, too late…. Ralfy furiously hits Taurus, which screeches against the wall… sparks from wheels’ spokes fly everywhere… what a mighty struggle!... but Triumphus has apparently found a curious way to move out of what could be a certain defeat and maybe worse than that… they’re parting… and I’m looking at the up-to-now unmovable Tyrannosaurus showing what looks like tears coming out his left eye… Close-up, please… no, it’s not tears. Triumphus spat in his eye!! The big dark man is clearly not pleased, and I bet he’s going to pull another trick now that the third dolphin goes down and we’re into…

LAP III

All of this funny exchange …well, folks, it WAS funny, you must admit it!... between the two lead drivers had somehow distracted me from what was happening behind them, but now I’m seeing Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda launching what definitely looks like a great attack on Tyrannosaurus’ leadership… and he manages perfectly! Now he’s just a few centimeters behind him… Tyrannosaurus apparently tries out his “slow-down-and-hit” trick again, but Sertorius is smarter – having used, with great profit, the same sort of tricky move in his past races – and swerves to the right in exactly the same moment as Tyrannosaurus doing the very same thing… making them both look like they’ve become momentarily inebriated. But the big man on Ralfy obviously isn’t, and with a “Now I’ll show you!” attitude he re-starts lashing his bulky horses like mad, now that the fourth dolphin is folding, marking the beginning of…

LAP IV

Gee, folks, what a race! What I’ve been modestly trying to describe to you up to now – and I really don’t know whether I’ve managed to do that…. after all I am a Censor, not a sports reporter! – has led to a very well-defined situaton which shows Tyrannosaurus on Ralfy in the lead, Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda closely following him, and Triumphus on Taurus Flammeus now pairing with Caratacus on Fragor, both struggling to get a place in the Semifinal while knowing at the same time that they’re never going to make it, as they’re both third!... Hey, what’s up now? One of Caracatus’ horses looks like he’s not feeling like racing any longer! He snorts, goes completely out of step, whinnies… and Fragor smacks the wall. Oh, such a stroke of bad luck… Caratacus is completely thunderstruck, and I can easily see why. He already knew that his supporters in the Circus wouldn’t see him again on the track until the next race event, of course, but finishing fourth after performing so greatly in such a great race is an undoubtable dishonor. So that’s how it ends, once again the bleachers are as red as the setting evening sun… and Caratacus climbs off his half-broken chariot with his head crumpled downwards, wanting to disappear. Luckily there’s his master Paterculus consoling him next to the stables…

… and this is the way this Second Quarterfinal ends. All that’s left to do for me, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, is signing off, and inviting you all to tune in tomorrow, for the Semifinal!

 

[Placidus moves aside and retrieves his mobile, unaware that Tullia is still filming him from behind the camera. She giggles.] Oh, you still there? [More giggling.] Well, duty calls. [He dials a number on the mobile, which beeps.] Hello, Censorial Office? This is Censor Placidus… No, I'm not saying where I am. May I speak to Quadratus, please?... OK, thanks….Hi, Quadrate. Sorry about the way I behaved before….  I was a complete fool and… What?... Wait a minute, are you actually telling me you liked it? [He blushes slightly.] No, you needn’t say that to me… you know I’m shy... Well, now I’m going straight back where you are… Oh, yeah? Can I stay here?...Well, thanks. You’re so kind, as usual. Bye. [He hangs up.] Could you ever picture that, Tullia? He told me I was perfect in my chronicle!

[Tullia, from behind the camera: “Well, did you have any doubts?”]

Well, yes… no, I mean… I’m a Censor…

[Tullia: “Aw, whatever you are doesn’t matter. You WERE perfect. And that’s that.”]

 

P.S.: In all of the above, “Tullia” is not meant to refer to any real person in particular. It is just a female name that I like, and because of that I chose it as the name of my camera operator. ;-)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95110 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Scholastica Quadrato S.P.D. 

 

Salvete!

Ah, the truth comes out.  Cell phones caused the fall of the Republic.  Those works of the devil must be banished and buried on a small island.

Along with other devices whose diabolical influence has been demonstrated.  Delendae sunt machinae visificis utentes, computatricibus exceptis!

Valete!
Quadratus

Vale!  



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:23:08 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal

 

Salvete omnes, optimi amici, and welcome back to the Circus Maximus for the Second Quarterfinal race of this year’s Ludi Apollinares. This is Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus speaking to you again and hoping that the nice guys from the Censura don’t bother me while I’m AWOL doing this… I’ve even shut off my mobile, or at least I think I did… [Mobile phone rings.] Oops, looks like I didn’t. Hello?...  Hi, Quadrate… where am I? On the racetrack, of course!... How do you mean “What are you doing there” ? Turn the TV on and you’ll see!... What? You’ve got a guy from Canada who’s just submitted a citizenship application? Well, you handle it! You’re Canadian yourself, for heck’s sake!... OK, sorry, I’ll be back in ten minutes. [Placidus clicks on mobile phone display – beep! – then puts mobile back in his prætexta’s belt bag and glances behind the camera.] Tullia, sorry, this is so stupid. [Female voice from behind the camera: “Don’t worry, Placide, this isn’t going out live. We’ll fix it.”] Oh, can you just cut it and back up a little bit? [Female voice: “Sure!”] Oh, well, then. [Short pause.]…

 

…Where was I? Ah yes, the race. Well, it may be the dimmer evening light, but the bleachers look to me a bt “redder” than before… Ah, here’s why: we’ve got three contestants for Russata and only one for Veneta on the track! Well, I bet that the lonely Blue will be particularily determined to win against the Reds. Here they are: on lane I Ulpia Secunda, sister chariot of Ulpia Prima, owned like its counterpart by the hot Spaniard C. Æmilius Crassus and driven by Sertorius, a former legionary and Centurio with a patch over his left eye and a special preference, I’m told, for saving all his energies for the last lap and for not hesitating in hitting his rivals as soon as they go even very slightly wrong! On lane II, here is the lonely Blue representative, Fragor, running for Veneta, owned by A. Iulius Paterculus and driven by Caratacus, a middle-aged man sporting some very cool tattoos, as far as I can see from here… hey, wait a minute! Aren’t those intricate spirals on his arms also painted in a vivid blue tempera on the chariot? I wonder what came first! On lane III, there’s Ralfy-M, a weird-named chariot owned by my friend Lentulus Jr.… no, not you up there, my dear director… your offspring!... and driven by a dark-skinned man whose name, Tyrannosarurus, doesn’t promise anything good… we shall see. Finally, in lane IV, we’ve got Taurus Flammeus, owned by Miss Tita Popilia Lænas – one of the very few strong-willed women in this male-dominated world! – and driven by a rather strong-looking guy named Triumphus.

Okay, they’re all ready now… Caratacus’ apparently sleepy horses seem to have suddenly woken up… my Prætorial friend Lucilius is also ready with his nappa… he drops it… and they’re off!

LAP I

Unlike the previous Quarterfinal, there is no clear leader during these first two turns of the dreaded spinæ in the Circus. Rather, all four chariots are very conspicuously (and maybe suspiciously, I’d say!) moving in a straight horizontal line along the track. Every now and then I can see the two big, bulky horses pulling Ralfy-M stick out their neck ahead of all the others… Maybe they’re a bit less elegant than Crassus’ and Sertorius’ pure-breed black Lusitanians, in close pursuit to the momentary leader, but those two brown steeds certainly appear stronger… may this be a case where pure breed counts very little, or maybe it’s just an impression of mine which derives from the sheer fury with which coal-black driver Tyrannosaurus is lashing them? We shall see in the next laps… I’m already witnessing the second bronze dolphin bowing his head downwards, which means it’s time for…

LAP II

Tyrannosaurus and Ralfy emerge from the mist, clearly ahead of their pursuers. Well, what can I say… I’m glad that this race is starting to have a leader, but… hey, young Triumphus, I’d look behind your back if I were you, because that wild driver next to you looks VERY unpredictable regarding what his next move could be! I see him slowing down – what the hell? Ah, I see now! Triumphus, watch your left side! Oh, gee, too late…. Ralfy furiously hits Taurus, which screeches against the wall… sparks from wheels’ spokes fly everywhere… what a mighty struggle!... but Triumphus has apparently found a curious way to move out of what could be a certain defeat and maybe worse than that… they’re parting… and I’m looking at the up-to-now unmovable Tyrannosaurus showing what looks like tears coming out his left eye… Close-up, please… no, it’s not tears. Triumphus spat in his eye!! The big dark man is clearly not pleased, and I bet he’s going to pull another trick now that the third dolphin goes down and we’re into…

LAP III

All of this funny exchange …well, folks, it WAS funny, you must admit it!... between the two lead drivers had somehow distracted me from what was happening behind them, but now I’m seeing Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda launching what definitely looks like a great attack on Tyrannosaurus’ leadership… and he manages perfectly! Now he’s just a few centimeters behind him… Tyrannosaurus apparently tries out his “slow-down-and-hit” trick again, but Sertorius is smarter – having used, with great profit, the same sort of tricky move in his past races – and swerves to the right in exactly the same moment as Tyrannosaurus doing the very same thing… making them both look like they’ve become momentarily inebriated. But the big man on Ralfy obviously isn’t, and with a “Now I’ll show you!” attitude he re-starts lashing his bulky horses like mad, now that the fourth dolphin is folding, marking the beginning of…

LAP IV

Gee, folks, what a race! What I’ve been modestly trying to describe to you up to now – and I really don’t know whether I’ve managed to do that…. after all I am a Censor, not a sports reporter! – has led to a very well-defined situaton which shows Tyrannosaurus on Ralfy in the lead, Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda closely following him, and Triumphus on Taurus Flammeus now pairing with Caratacus on Fragor, both struggling to get a place in the Semifinal while knowing at the same time that they’re never going to make it, as they’re both third!... Hey, what’s up now? One of Caracatus’ horses looks like he’s not feeling like racing any longer! He snorts, goes completely out of step, whinnies… and Fragor smacks the wall. Oh, such a stroke of bad luck… Caratacus is completely thunderstruck, and I can easily see why. He already knew that his supporters in the Circus wouldn’t see him again on the track until the next race event, of course, but finishing fourth after performing so greatly in such a great race is an undoubtable dishonor. So that’s how it ends, once again the bleachers are as red as the setting evening sun… and Caratacus climbs off his half-broken chariot with his head crumpled downwards, wanting to disappear. Luckily there’s his master Paterculus consoling him next to the stables…

… and this is the way this Second Quarterfinal ends. All that’s left to do for me, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, is signing off, and inviting you all to tune in tomorrow, for the Semifinal!

 

[Placidus moves aside and retrieves his mobile, unaware that Tullia is still filming him from behind the camera. She giggles.] Oh, you still there? [More giggling.] Well, duty calls. [He dials a number on the mobile, which beeps.] Hello, Censorial Office? This is Censor Placidus… No, I'm not saying where I am. May I speak to Quadratus, please?... OK, thanks….Hi, Quadrate. Sorry about the way I behaved before….  I was a complete fool and… What?... Wait a minute, are you actually telling me you liked it? [He blushes slightly.] No, you needn’t say that to me… you know I’m shy... Well, now I’m going straight back where you are… Oh, yeah? Can I stay here?...Well, thanks. You’re so kind, as usual. Bye. [He hangs up.] Could you ever picture that, Tullia? He told me I was perfect in my chronicle!

[Tullia, from behind the camera: “Well, did you have any doubts?”]

Well, yes… no, I mean… I’m a Censor…

[Tullia: “Aw, whatever you are doesn’t matter. You WERE perfect. And that’s that.”]

 

P.S.: In all of the above, “Tullia” is not meant to refer to any real person in particular. It is just a female name that I like, and because of that I chose it as the name of my camera operator. ;-)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95111 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3

EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR 


This is the 3rd Day of the Ipse Dixit quiz honoring the Ludi Apollinares. 


RULES: Each day, starting from July 9 and finishing on July 13, the final day of the Ludi Apollinares, a series of items shall be posted here. Each item will include a famous Latin phrase and 3 (or occasionally 4) questions relating to the phrase itself. All citizens may compete, and it is NOT NECESSARY to answer the questions related to one item before the next item is posted, as all items will be fully valid until the conclusion of the game. Each correct answer will have a score, and the highest scorer will be the WINNER!! If there is tie for first place, I will decide based on how quickly the answers were sent to me. SO TIME MATTERS AND YOU MUST SEND ANSWER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE !!



CURRENT STANDING OF THE CONTEST

Ranking is determined by the points you get, and ranking within the same point level is determined by quickness of answer (reply order point). The first to send answer get 1, the second 2 and so on. At the end of the game,the less reply order point you have, the better for you.If we will have ties in the 1st place, the winner is the one who has the least reply order points among the people whose normal points are the highest.

Now the ranking starts to become more exciting!!!

1st Place Ties
C. Fabius Lupus  14/14 (7)
A. Tullia Scholastica 14/14 (15)

2nd Place Ties
C. Cornelius Aculeo 13/14 (2)
C. Claudius Quadratus  13/14 (4)
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus  13/14 (15)
Tiberius Marcius Quadra  13/14 (20)

3rd Place 
M. Lollius Labeo  11/14 (7)

4th Place
John L Barbato  10/14 (11)

5th Place
Sexta Laelia Macra 9/14 (12)

6th Place Ties
Valeria Pavo 7/7 (8)
Marcus Pompeius Caninus 7/7 (10)



Let's see today's item:

ITEM III: OMNIVM CREDE DIA TIBI DILVXISSE SVPREMVM

 

1.            What is the literal English translation of this phrase? (3 points)


2.            Who wrote this phrase? (1 point + 1 bonus point for the source.)


3.            Name at least one contemporary source using the phrase. (1 point)


4.            What is the metaphorical (non-literal) meaning of the phrase? (2 points)


 

Please send your answers to lutorianis@... . Do NOT post your answers on the Main List otherwise you will be immediately disqualified from the game.



Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95112 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Latin classes
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, tironibus, sociis, peregrinisque S.P.D. 

Inasmuch as we are talking about who said what in Latin, and hoping that someone will write poetry therein for the Apollinares, I thought it might be opportune to mention that we offer Latin courses to help understand Romanitas and its roots as well as provide many other benefits.  

For some years now, we have been offering introductory traditional-method Latin, and provide intermediate and advanced instruction therein as needed.  The traditional method introductory and intermediate courses use the popular (and none too expensive) Wheelock text, which can be found at many US college bookstores, or ordered online.  These traditional courses provide a basic understanding of Latin grammar and vocabulary adequate to read some Latin texts; the advanced course deals with actual texts from Cicero, Nepos, Pliny, Horace, Plautus, etc.  

In  order to facilitate reading and writing knowledge, memorization of vocabulary, grammatical forms (of which Latin has many, but most are quite regular), and syntactical rules is required, especially in the first year and a half or so--then it is off to the races, reading actual Latin texts.  In the mean time, weekly written homework is required to instill the vocabulary and grammar in the students' minds.  Yes, work is required, and yes, not all can manage.  The reward, however, is very great. 

Alternatively, there is another method I have been teaching for several years, Assimil, which uses a very expensive text and not much less work although written assignments are less frequent.  Some, however, find this more natural method easier.  This series of courses, created by a prominent European Latinist, A. Gratius Avitus, is currently offered by a different institution.  Matters have not yet been settled about the academic calendar, teaching assignments, etc., for this set of courses (one of which is still in progress), but we expect that that information may be available by the end of August.  The courses in this series normally begin in mid to late September (introductory on or about September 21st, accelerated on or about September 15th).  

Tentatively at least, the Wheelock-based traditional method Latin courses will begin the last Monday in August; the text is Wheelock's Latin, by Frederic Wheelock, revised by R. LaFleur (either the Sixth or Seventh Edition; the latter has additional aids for the student, and is more common now).  The text for the assimilation method courses is Le Latin Sans Peine, by Clement Desessard, which is also available as Il Latino senza Sforzo and Latein Ohne Mühe.  We provide translations of the text for those who know neither French, Italian, nor German, but all students must purchase at least one of these texts (some have two or more of them; the German one has the best text, and many aids for the learner, some of which, however, do require literacy in German) and the associated CDs.  The courses themselves are taught in both English and Spanish, and most of the staff members know either French or Italian as well as at least a smattering of some other languages.  These courses are geared to providing great fluency in reading, writing, and speaking Latin (yes, speaking Latin; there are many people who actually speak Latin; it is, after all, the universal language, and as one author put it, 'the world's most successful language').  

If any of you is interested in any of our courses or would like further information, please let me know.  

Valéte!  




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95113 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - First Quarterfinal
GO RUSSATA!!!!

I have to have a serious talk with Viriathus, or either he keeps his head on the race or he may be finding himself cleaning the horses manure instead of racing!!

Well the win was for Russata!!! Congrats Lentule for your victory.

Valete optime,
Crassus


Em sáb, 11 de jul de 2015 às 15:45, ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95114 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Go RUSSATA!!!

That are better news, Sertorius on the semifinal even if not with a win!!

Congrats to Lentule Jr for his great victory.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Em sáb, 11 de jul de 2015 às 20:23, ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95115 From: marikunin Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: sorry for my absence!
Salvete!

I've been busy with college and now stressed over money woes. (I've set up a gofundme but traffic is...slow) Hoping to get active on this group between now and fall though. How are all of you?

Lucia Maria Atella

(Hoping I did the format right...)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95116 From: M. Lollius Labeo Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3
Salve!


1. Hold for yourself the belief that each day that dawns is your last.

2. Horace, from Epistles book 1

3. Enya made a song using these lyrics, Pax Deorum. Best I got. 

4.  live your life so that you would have no regrets. Carpe Diem, to quote Horace himself. 

Vale!!

M. Lollius Labeo
Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95117 From: M. Lollius Labeo Date: 2015-07-11
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES 'IPSE DIXIT' QUIZ DAY 3
Well. That went to the wrong mailbox. Apologies! 

Sent from my iPhone

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95118 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES- VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE- Second Quarterfinal
Cn. Lentulus C. Crasso et P. Annaeo et omnibus s. p. d

WOW, simply wow! I think all these many years I managed to have only one victory, but to be honest I am not sure, I think I have never won in these virtual races... 

And now two victories at the same time... 

I think I must change profession and start to invest into building up a professional Chariot Formula-1 Racing Team... ;)

Valete! GO RUSSATA!


Da: "Aemilius Crassus c.aemilius.crassus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Go RUSSATA!!!

That are better news, Sertorius on the semifinal even if not with a win!!

Congrats to Lentule Jr for his great victory.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Em sáb, 11 de jul de 2015 às 20:23, ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95119 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: sorry for my absence!
Salvete,
You forgot the "Valete" in our most basic form.
College girl: what's your major?
I have a Bachlor's in Business Administration, the procurator of a law school (in development), an Honorary Doctorate holder, and will continue my education towards MBA, JD, LLM, PhD, PsyD, DMin ~ as goals.
Valete,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "girlwatershaman@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

I've been busy with college and now stressed over money woes. (I've set up a gofundme but traffic is...slow) Hoping to get active on this group between now and fall though. How are all of you?

Lucia Maria Atella

(Hoping I did the format right...)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95120 From: marikunin Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: sorry for my absence!
Salvete

I'm majoring in communications right now though I plan to study religion after I get my associates. Wow, you've been to a lot of school!

Valete

Lucilla Maria Atella
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95121 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Latin poetic composition contest
Omnibus Novis Romanis S.P.D. scriba Scribonius Nasica in nomine Praetoris  Sexti Lucilii Tutoris,

To all Citizens of Nova Roma ,
On behalf of Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, you are invited  to partecipate in  Latin  poetic composition  contest during the celebrations of  Ludi Apollinares. From 9th to 13th July you can submit  poems written in Latin.Here you find  the  highlighted main aspects to be able to participate in . Essays should be sent to scribe Scribonius Nasica during this period, in order  to judge  them properly.
POEM
TOPIC
LANGUAGE
EVALUATION  METHODS
           PRIZE
Poems  with or without metric, with or without rhymes. A maximum of ten  sentences written in Times New Roman- 12.
Rome and its history; the foundation of New Rome and its purpose.
Latin language.
Content ,aesthetic, grammar.
Score maximum : 12 points- i.e. maximum 4 points per subject.
Imperial classic  clean coin in good condition.
 
Only one day remains! 
 
Valete bene
Scribonius Nasica, scribe of Praetor Sextus Lucilus Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95122 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2

Salvete, Quirites, amici spectatores omnibusque, and welcome to the most epic-evoking event of these whole Ludi Apollinares – the gladiatorial combats! My name is still Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, and as you can gather I’m still at the helm of Nova Roma’s Censorial Office. But there are quite a few differences ce from my previous broadcasts. The most clearly visible one is a change of location – I’m not at the Circus Maximus, but inside the great Flavian Amphitheater, most commonly known as the Colosseum… by the way, I’d like to thank my Scriba and friend Quadratus for giving me a lift from the Censura to here on his beaten-down and rickety but still working automobile. (Quadrate, what kind of car is that? I don’t remember…) Another big piece of news is that I won’t worry any longer, at least until Monday night, about being AWOL from my office… simply because I’m not AWOL at all! My leave of absence has indeed been fully authorized by Consul Caninus himself, who loved my very first broadcast for these Ludi – about the First Quarterfinal of the Chariot Race – and left me a message on my mobile… “You can stop caring about all the paperwork in there – you have a Scriba, don’t you? HE can handle the paperwork! You’ve got to have fun in the arenas – after all it’s Ludi time! Drop by my office if you need some official piece of paper… it won’t be a problem at all!” So I did drop by his office, and what I got is the official written authorization from him to conduct all of the remaining Ludi Apollinares broadcasts! Isn’t that cool?

Anyway, let’s not waste any more time – we’re live now, you know! – and get straight to the point here: the first quarterfinal, and first fight. The bleachers have already filled themselves up with people, and once again they’re bichromatic – Blues and Reds, with a slight prevalence of the former as we only have 3 out of 8 fighters who represent Russata – all the others fight for Veneta.

A huge cheer erupts in the Amphitheatre as the first fighter makes his triumphant entrance in the arena! He is Venetius, a Retiarius, a former fisherman from Britannia who decided to leave his boat and the Northern Seas for the equally hard but more profitable (but also riskier!) gladiatorial career. Standing at an height of 6 feet and sportring dark brown hair, brown beard and mustache as well as green eyes, a light skin, broad shoulders, muscular forearms and muscular thighs, he is owned by Consul M. Pompeius Caninus and represents Veneta. Opposite him, here comes a menacing-looking Dimachærus from the depths of Africa, named Absbrubal, owned by C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus and also fighting for Veneta…so a teammate of Venetius but by no means a friend of his… indeed they come from wholly different cultures and environments!

A sharp siren sounds from Prætor Sextus Lucilius Tutor’s elevated chair and, while his colleague Aulus Liburnus Hadrianus is monitoring the entire broadcast from the main studio, to ensure regularity, the fight starts. Like in all of the beginnings of all gladiatorial fights, nothing of much importance happens: the men step slowly toward each other, shoot fiery looks at each others, exchange grunts and sniffs. Then they DO start. Venetius makes a series of quick lunges with his trident… one, two, three… all pretty harmless as they hit his opponent’s armor. But on the fourth hit, he scores: the trident aims straight for Absbrubal’s chest and three small red marks appear on it. Of course he reacts, and his huge siccæ start flying through the air. But Venetius parries every single hit with the stick of his trident… Consul Caninus, didn’t you tell me he was a fisherman? He rather looks like an expert fencer!

And now… oops! His finely-woven net lands on Absbrubal’s head. The African looks confused for a split-second, but he’s too smart to let himself be caught by one of a Retiarius’ most common tricks: a quick swish with his left sicca, a sharp turn of his head and the net is on the ground. Venetius promptly moves to retrieve it… and Absbrubal, seizing the chance of a momentary distraction, thrusts his sicca into his oppenent’s leg. Ouch! The cut is deep… Venetius’ leg shows some unpleasant-looking dark red lines… he falls on his knees… everything’s over for him? No! Without even fully standing up, he jumps forward, and pushes his short dagger deep into the rear side of Absbrubal’s left leg, who screams in pain and falls. NOW it is over for him, and he’s left at the mercy of the clamoring audience… which is curiously split: half of the Amphitheater is booing, the other half is cheering and whistling. Yes, it’s fifty-fifty… but Prætor Lucilius glances at the numbers on the electronic billboard and adds his own thumb-up. A cloud of blue confetti lifts itself up from the bleachers, and Absbrubal exits the arena suffering like mad, but alive…

…which wraps up our First Quarterfinal match. Time for some words from our sponsors… yeah, ads. The necessary evil. You may push those buttons on your remote, but don’t be away too long… we’re back in less than five minutes!

 

Okay, dominæ et domini, are you all back and comfortable in your chairs in front of the screen? Well, don’t get TOO comfortable, as more rough fighting is about to happen!

Indeed, here comes marching in a young Thraex named Decimus Antonius Interficius, fighting for Russata… ah, that’s why the Red minority on the bleachers is starting to wake up… and owned by the pretty Lucia Claudia Quadrata Feles… hey, is it an impression of mine or the one-time “genteel gender” is actually starting to show off its fangs?! Chariots, gladiators, I gather there’s even a gladiatrix coming in later on! Anyway, Interficius has his full heavy armor already on… including his typical Thraex helmet. He lifts his visor just long enough for the audience to meet his gaze… and for me to realize how YOUNG he is. From the opposite side another Retiarius is advancing. His name is Marcus Pompeius Magnus, he fights for Russata as well and is owned by my friend C. Claudius Quadratus, who has just bought what he calls “a powerhouse” from the Numidian slave market… hey, Quadrate, would you please tell me just in how many pies are you putting your fingers?

Lucilius’ siren goes off, which means it’s time to fight! Interficius moves forward immediately… not even time for Magnus to study his moves… and zap! the sicca hits Magnus’ shoulder, just above his manica. He doesn’t even get the time to be perplexed at what has just happens… and here Interficius is at it again! The sicca moves so rapidly around Magnus’ body that he cannot even see where he’s getting hurt! He tries to react with his trident… what? Is it blunted?... but Interficius parries it all-too-easily with his parmula. Well, it looks like the “powerhouse” is not so powerful after all, is he? Even his dagger thrusts are pretty much ineffective… the youngster feels invincible in his armor, and with such a weak opponent he has good reasons to feel like that! Now Magnus tries a desperate move: throwing his net directly over the many holes in Interficius’ helmet, he hopes to obscure his vision for a second so that he can smack his head with what he sees as a mighty blow… but the helmet just vacillates slightly and Interficius stands still. And here comes the sicca yet again! On the arm! Oh, this wound is deep now. He falls. He’s done. He starts removing all of his weaponry very slowly and very plaintively – as if saying, “Look at me. I’m not a hero. I’m a man. I am vulnerable”. But even this silent plea is not enough… people all around the bleachers are putting their thumbs down…  the photosensitive cells scattered all around the Amphitheatre add up to a staggering 83% on the display...  but I don’t need them to know that Magnus was oh, such a bad fighter – the booing from the audience all around him are more than enough to prove that. He is carried straight away to his cell, to meet his fate… I can hear him screaming… Oh, heck, I’m not used to this. I don’t WANT to experience this. Hey, studio, can we get straight into the ads, please? Thank you…


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95123 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 3 and 4

Hello, welcome back here. We’re going into the Third Quarterfinal, third fight and… excuse me for a second. [Placidus bows his head down and starts a hushed, whispered prayer: Please, let me see no more death in here. Please, let me see no more d—] Ahem. Sorry, folks. I got a bit of a ‘downer’ moment. Let’s move forward, shall we? Hey, but… wait a minute… what is that I’m seeing coming out of the door? I’d recognize that wild mane of blonde hair everywhere! Dorothea!! What are YOU doing here? [Lentulus Jr., who is near the broadcasting center, approaches Placidus: “Didn’t I tell you she was a gladiatrix as well as a charioteer?”] Well, no, amice, you didn’t. [Lentulus Jr: “Well, now you know.” He moves away.] So, what a nice surprise from my friend Lentulus… she is a Red, of course. We shall see if a different ground results in a different performance from her, also keeping in mind that she’s a Dimachærus. And she’s paired with… folks, I’ll let you guess. Yeah, you got that right: a Retiarius! Seems like the net-and-trident-wielding guys are big favourites of our entrants, aren’t they? His name is Andreas and he was entered for Veneta by Ædilis A. Iulius Paterculus, who informed me that he’s a young man (one more? oh, well…)  who seems to take the fact that he is engaged in life-and-death combat very lightly.  Paterculus also informs me of his somewhat clumsy appearance, and states that whatever success he has in combat is clearly luck rather than skill, however he is good at making his mistakes look humourous as he attempts to win over the crowd. Oh, that’s it, then? A popular hero? Well, we’re on TV, dear Ædilis – isn’t he just what we need? I wonder what sort of rabbits will he pull out of his magic hat against the mighty Dorothea….

…and I shall know right now! A blare of the siren, carrying an unmistakable order: fight! And they do. Andreas starts off quite aggressively, trying to thrust his short dagger everywhere on Dorothea – who doesn’t attack at all, as Lentulus told me she would. Indeed, she closes up her two siccæ, one in each hand, like a shield… which combines with her arm protections to give an almost unpenetrable barrier. And Andreas’ fuirously-moving dagger produces nothing but clang, clang, clang, clang… until she happens to look up for a split-second and… swish! She gets a small scar on her left cheek. Yes, you got that right, Patercule: the guy IS lucky. And yes, he’s also a show-off… on a whole other planet than the restrained lioness he’s facing, who keeps shielding herself as best as she can without ever drawing a single blow… is this the human Fury I saw yesterday on the racetrack? I can hardly believe that. “Boo!” and  “Pfui!” shouts start coming down from the Reds, and I can easily see why. And then… just as I wasn’t expecting anything like that … she trips over the stick of Andreas’ trident, which he was very goofily trying to thrust between her legs, and falls to the ground – more out of tiredness than of any real pain. The smart-aleck Andreas has won. The Reds on the bleachers immediately push their thumbs down… but they simply aren’t enough to condemn Dorothea. Indeed, she barely gets a 39%, and her chosen “defensive” technique – hated around here but sometimes profitable! – earns her life back for her. She rises, pants a bit, then exhales and walks proudly out of the farther door.

…What a nice image to leave you to a final burst of ads with. Isn’t it, folks? We’ll be back very soon!

 

Welcome back to the Colosseum, we’re into the Fourth and last Quarterfinal, fourth and last match in this busy, heady, sunny morning here in Roma, and we’re more than ready to meet our remaining two fighters. And here they are! “Steel lady” Tita Popilia Lænas, still fuming from the really undeserved elimination of her chariot and her driver from the Second Quarterfinal of the Chariot Race, is bringing in her new man… Triumphus Maculosus, a Secutor. Another helmet guy. Wow, I love that. Hey, Lady Popilia, are you sure we’re still in a Roman-styled gladiatorial combat? Didn’t we maybe fast-forward to the Middle Ages for a second? I’m conjuring up weird images in my mind… foggy memories… did I live another life before this one? Was I someone else? Bah, I shall try not to think of any of that… also because the opponent is coming in, and he is… no, this time I won’t even invite anybody to guess it. [Voices behind Placidus: “A Retiarius!!”] Well, you said it, not me! But at least I know for sure, now, that we’re doing things the Roman way and in no other way, because Secutores are almost invariably paired with Retiarii. This guy’s name is Stoicus – nomen omen,  as they say! – and he has been subscribed for Veneta by… Sextus Lucilius Tutor?? Our Prætor himself?! [Placidus looks up to Prætor Lucilius.] Hey, Prætor, why don’t you come down here to hug your guy and get your own hands dirty for a sec? I myself did, you know – I’ve been a charioteer! [Lucilius smiles while shaking his head and hands.] OK, it was just a thought. Blow that thing, Prætor, will you?

The starting siren does indeed blow quite loudly. Maculosus unsheats his sword – here it is finally, the gladius! – and gazes fixedly at Stoicus from behind his helmet for seconds which seem to last like hours. Then he lunges. Repeatedly. And yet again there’s a series of great parries by Stoicus with his trident – hey, but did all of these Retiarii go to fencing school in their spare time? Or did their lanistæ? I’ll find out sooner or later… In the meantime, Stoicus is proving to be quicker and leaner than his bulky, masked opponent… and what he CAN’T do with his trident, which is just about to break upon the Secutor’s heavy scutum, he definitely can with his dagger! Right on Maculosus’ left shoulder! Yeah, ouch. That hurts, doesn’t it? Maculosus, I your scutum, however big and heavy it is, can’t do anything against this guy’s gazelle-like slenderness. And now... well, I’m not sure whether this is within the rules or not… Stoicus steps back, he raises his right leg up high and KICKS the gladius out of Maculosus’ hand! And immediately after that, he stomps him onto the ground… with the same leg!! That’s what I call a strong guy! A  really deserved victory! Now the final verdict on Maculosus is up to the audience. Once again they split up between boos and cheers, between thumbs up and down… and once again the Prætor adds the determining “up” vote, sparing Maculosus and showing a wonderful sportsman’s attitute. After all, it was a good, enjoyable fight, wasn’t it, Prætor? [Placidus looks up again. Prætor Lucilius winks and gives HIM a thumbs-up.] Oh, looks like I got it too, didn’t I? “All’s well that ends well”, as somebody said. It’s two o’clock PM and this is really all for now. So… this is Censor and now fully authorized sportscaster Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus signing off. See you all tomorrow at noon, same place, same channel, for the Semifinals!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95124 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2
Ah, woe.  Never again!  I give my daughter some spending money and she runs off to the slave market and picks herself a gladiator who proceeds to destroy my own pride and joy.  Do you have any idea how many silver talents just got flushed down the Cloaca Maxima?  Edipol!  Never again!

Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 09:02:38 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2

 

Salvete, Quirites, amici spectatores omnibusque, and welcome to the most epic-evoking event of these whole Ludi Apollinares – the gladiatorial combats! My name is still Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, and as you can gather I’m still at the helm of Nova Roma’s Censorial Office. But there are quite a few differences ce from my previous broadcasts. The most clearly visible one is a change of location – I’m not at the Circus Maximus, but inside the great Flavian Amphitheater, most commonly known as the Colosseum… by the way, I’d like to thank my Scriba and friend Quadratus for giving me a lift from the Censura to here on his beaten-down and rickety but still working automobile. (Quadrate, what kind of car is that? I don’t remember…) Another big piece of news is that I won’t worry any longer, at least until Monday night, about being AWOL from my office… simply because I’m not AWOL at all! My leave of absence has indeed been fully authorized by Consul Caninus himself, who loved my very first broadcast for these Ludi – about the First Quarterfinal of the Chariot Race – and left me a message on my mobile… “You can stop caring about all the paperwork in there – you have a Scriba, don’t you? HE can handle the paperwork! You’ve got to have fun in the arenas – after all it’s Ludi time! Drop by my office if you need some official piece of paper… it won’t be a problem at all!” So I did drop by his office, and what I got is the official written authorization from him to conduct all of the remaining Ludi Apollinares broadcasts! Isn’t that cool?

Anyway, let’s not waste any more time – we’re live now, you know! – and get straight to the point here: the first quarterfinal, and first fight. The bleachers have already filled themselves up with people, and once again they’re bichromatic – Blues and Reds, with a slight prevalence of the former as we only have 3 out of 8 fighters who represent Russata – all the others fight for Veneta.

A huge cheer erupts in the Amphitheatre as the first fighter makes his triumphant entrance in the arena! He is Venetius, a Retiarius, a former fisherman from Britannia who decided to leave his boat and the Northern Seas for the equally hard but more profitable (but also riskier!) gladiatorial career. Standing at an height of 6 feet and sportring dark brown hair, brown beard and mustache as well as green eyes, a light skin, broad shoulders, muscular forearms and muscular thighs, he is owned by Consul M. Pompeius Caninus and represents Veneta. Opposite him, here comes a menacing-looking Dimachærus from the depths of Africa, named Absbrubal, owned by C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus and also fighting for Veneta…so a teammate of Venetius but by no means a friend of his… indeed they come from wholly different cultures and environments!

A sharp siren sounds from Prætor Sextus Lucilius Tutor’s elevated chair and, while his colleague Aulus Liburnus Hadrianus is monitoring the entire broadcast from the main studio, to ensure regularity, the fight starts. Like in all of the beginnings of all gladiatorial fights, nothing of much importance happens: the men step slowly toward each other, shoot fiery looks at each others, exchange grunts and sniffs. Then they DO start. Venetius makes a series of quick lunges with his trident… one, two, three… all pretty harmless as they hit his opponent’s armor. But on the fourth hit, he scores: the trident aims straight for Absbrubal’s chest and three small red marks appear on it. Of course he reacts, and his huge siccæ start flying through the air. But Venetius parries every single hit with the stick of his trident… Consul Caninus, didn’t you tell me he was a fisherman? He rather looks like an expert fencer!

And now… oops! His finely-woven net lands on Absbrubal’s head. The African looks confused for a split-second, but he’s too smart to let himself be caught by one of a Retiarius’ most common tricks: a quick swish with his left sicca, a sharp turn of his head and the net is on the ground. Venetius promptly moves to retrieve it… and Absbrubal, seizing the chance of a momentary distraction, thrusts his sicca into his oppenent’s leg. Ouch! The cut is deep… Venetius’ leg shows some unpleasant-looking dark red lines… he falls on his knees… everything’s over for him? No! Without even fully standing up, he jumps forward, and pushes his short dagger deep into the rear side of Absbrubal’s left leg, who screams in pain and falls. NOW it is over for him, and he’s left at the mercy of the clamoring audience… which is curiously split: half of the Amphitheater is booing, the other half is cheering and whistling. Yes, it’s fifty-fifty… but Prætor Lucilius glances at the numbers on the electronic billboard and adds his own thumb-up. A cloud of blue confetti lifts itself up from the bleachers, and Absbrubal exits the arena suffering like mad, but alive…

…which wraps up our First Quarterfinal match. Time for some words from our sponsors… yeah, ads. The necessary evil. You may push those buttons on your remote, but don’t be away too long… we’re back in less than five minutes!

 

Okay, dominæ et domini, are you all back and comfortable in your chairs in front of the screen? Well, don’t get TOO comfortable, as more rough fighting is about to happen!

Indeed, here comes marching in a young Thraex named Decimus Antonius Interficius, fighting for Russata… ah, that’s why the Red minority on the bleachers is starting to wake up… and owned by the pretty Lucia Claudia Quadrata Feles… hey, is it an impression of mine or the one-time “genteel gender” is actually starting to show off its fangs?! Chariots, gladiators, I gather there’s even a gladiatrix coming in later on! Anyway, Interficius has his full heavy armor already on… including his typical Thraex helmet. He lifts his visor just long enough for the audience to meet his gaze… and for me to realize how YOUNG he is. From the opposite side another Retiarius is advancing. His name is Marcus Pompeius Magnus, he fights for Russata as well and is owned by my friend C. Claudius Quadratus, who has just bought what he calls “a powerhouse” from the Numidian slave market… hey, Quadrate, would you please tell me just in how many pies are you putting your fingers?

Lucilius’ siren goes off, which means it’s time to fight! Interficius moves forward immediately… not even time for Magnus to study his moves… and zap! the sicca hits Magnus’ shoulder, just above his manica. He doesn’t even get the time to be perplexed at what has just happens… and here Interficius is at it again! The sicca moves so rapidly around Magnus’ body that he cannot even see where he’s getting hurt! He tries to react with his trident… what? Is it blunted?... but Interficius parries it all-too-easily with his parmula. Well, it looks like the “powerhouse” is not so powerful after all, is he? Even his dagger thrusts are pretty much ineffective… the youngster feels invincible in his armor, and with such a weak opponent he has good reasons to feel like that! Now Magnus tries a desperate move: throwing his net directly over the many holes in Interficius’ helmet, he hopes to obscure his vision for a second so that he can smack his head with what he sees as a mighty blow… but the helmet just vacillates slightly and Interficius stands still. And here comes the sicca yet again! On the arm! Oh, this wound is deep now. He falls. He’s done. He starts removing all of his weaponry very slowly and very plaintively – as if saying, “Look at me. I’m not a hero. I’m a man. I am vulnerable”. But even this silent plea is not enough… people all around the bleachers are putting their thumbs down…  the photosensitive cells scattered all around the Amphitheatre add up to a staggering 83% on the display...  but I don’t need them to know that Magnus was oh, such a bad fighter – the booing from the audience all around him are more than enough to prove that. He is carried straight away to his cell, to meet his fate… I can hear him screaming… Oh, heck, I’m not used to this. I don’t WANT to experience this. Hey, studio, can we get straight into the ads, please? Thank you…




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95125 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES "IPSE DIXIT" - Day 4

EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR 


This is the 4th Day of the Ipse Dixit quiz honoring the Ludi Apollinares. 


RULES: Each day, starting from July 9 and finishing on July 13, the final day of the Ludi Apollinares, a series of items shall be posted here. Each item will include a famous Latin phrase and 3 (or occasionally 4) questions relating to the phrase itself. All citizens may compete, and it is NOT NECESSARY to answer the questions related to one item before the next item is posted, as all items will be fully valid until the conclusion of the game. Each correct answer will have a score, and the highest scorer will be the WINNER!! If there is tie for first place, I will decide based on how quickly the answers were sent to me. SO TIME MATTERS AND YOU MUST SEND ANSWER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE !!



CURRENT STANDING OF THE CONTEST

Ranking is determined by the points you get, and ranking within the same point level is determined by quickness of answer (reply order point). The first to send answer get 1, the second 2 and so on. At the end of the game,the less reply order point you have, the better for you.If we will have ties in the 1st place, the winner is the one who has the least reply order points among the people whose normal points are the highest.

There some changes in ranking and one person is suspensed for sending answer to mailing list (Lollius Labeo).

1st Place Ties
C. Fabius Lupus  22/22 (13)
A. Tullia Scholastica 22/22 (18)

2nd Place Ties
C. Claudius Quadratus  21/22 (8)
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus  21/22 (23)

3rd Place Ties
C. Cornelius Aculeo 20/22 (3)
Tiberius Marcius Quadra  20/22 (27)

4th Place
John L Barbato  16/22 (16)

5th Place
M. Lollius Labeo  11/22 (7) 

6th Place
Sexta Laelia Macra 10/22 (14)

7th Place Ties
Valeria Pavo 7/22 (8)
Marcus Pompeius Caninus 7/22 (10)



Let's see today's item:

SEE TODAYS ITEM on our Ludi webpage made by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus:



Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95126 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal account delayed
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

As you may know, Prætor Sex. Lucilius Tutor, who is setting up and
conducting the current edition of Ludi Apollinares, has entrusted the
organization, the management and the realization of two important Ludi
events - the Ludi Circenses (Chariot race) and the Munera Gladiatoria,
entirely to myself. This is why I thought it fitting that I should be
the one to inform you that the account of the Chariot Race Semifinal,
which was originally scheduled to be released today, has been delayed to
tomorrow. In other words, although the race itself has already been run
(and its results are visible on the official NR Wiki page of the Ludi
Apollinares, http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_2768_AUC -
scroll down to "Ludi Circenses") , its lap-by-lap chronicle will not
appear on the ML until tomorrow. The reason for this delay is not
connected with technical problems, but with my own personal desire not
to flood the ML with too many reading materials. For this reason, an
approximate release schedule for the accounts of all the remaining Ludi
events which are being managed by myself is as follows:

- morning/noon: Munera Gladiatoria Semifinal 1 and 2 (two accounts will
be released within a relatively short timespan)
- early afternoon: Chariot Race Semifinal
- late afternoon / evening: Munera Gladiatoria Final
- late evening: Chariot Race Final

The results for all of these event will appear on the official Ludi page
on the NR Wiki, as above, shortly before the accounts are released.

Optime valete omnes,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus
Ludi Apollinares Managing assistant

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95127 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2015-07-12
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Quarterfinals 1 and 2
Salvete omnes,

Glad to see that Hasdrubal survived (although the initial "H" of his name was consistently dropped!). He'll be back!

Valete!

Gaius Tullius Valerianus
 
Tribunus Plebis
Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Proconsul
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95128 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLIINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA: First Semifinal

Ladies and gentlemen, dominæ et domini, salvete omnes and welcome to the First Semifinal fight of the Munera Gladiatoria for Ludi Apollinares 2768 AUC! I am, as always, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, Censor of Nova Roma and, thanks to the good graces of Consul Caninus, official broadcaster of these Ludi. Everything is just on the verge of being ready, here in the Colosseum… Blue flags and ornaments are starting to appear upon the bleachers… with a smattering of Reds, of course, supporting the only remaining representative... and in a short time the whole place is going to become bichromatic as usual. And here they come in… the protagonists… the heroes… the fighters! Venetius, Andreas and Stoicus for Veneta with Decimus Antonius Interficius, the lone boy for Russata. They are all accompanied by their respective masters and owners: our esteemed Consul M. Pompeius Caninus, our Ædilis A. Tullius Paterculus, our Prætor Sex. Luciulius Tutor and Lady Lucia Claudia Quadrata. Wow, three magistrates standing on the dirty fighting ground… and all of them wearing their brand-new togæ pretextæ!! This is well worth a pic, folks – and indeed here’s what they’re all doing there… posing for pics! (No selfies, please!) OK, you clicking press guys, have you all run out of batteries for your flashes yet? Well, then, everybody take your places, we have to start! First off, we have Venetius Vs. Interficius, Retiarius vs. Thraex – this is going to be interesting, as in the normal state of things Retiarii have no chances at all against the Tracian boys. But is anything NORMAL in these Ludi? I wouldn’t say! Prætor, blow your siren – time to fight!

Venetius starts off in quite the same fashion as in his previous, victorious fight from yesterday with dark-skinned Absbrubal: he grabs his trident, spreads his arms wide and he starts lunging wildly with it. It’s quite a surprise attack for a Thraex, but also an almost harmless one for him… as his mighty helmet and metallic leg protections are definitely giving to young Interficius a sense of empowerment, which he is ready to put to good use – as he does right now! His sicca rises high in the air,  Venetius tries to contrast it with his trident… which gets promptly blunted by Interficius’ stronger, harsher weapon. An angered Venetius throws the useless trident away from him, on the ground, and unsheats his dagger. Now he’s firmly intentioned to do some damage… and lo and behold, he does, cutting straight into the Thraex’s exposed left arm and leaving him somewhat painful for a moment. But the power of youth is enough for him not to care about the wound, and swiftly he recommences wielding his sicca. Venatius is ready – he parries with his dagger – clang! And then again: clang! A dagger versus a sicca?!? As incredible as it may look, it’s exactly like that: Venetius is putting all of his fisherman’s strength into that short thing, and it’s becoming harder and mightier than the longest gladius!! But alas, the respective amounts of force are too much for both fighters… they detach… and they both crumble to the ground! Most of the audience erupts into laughter, not knowing what to think anymore... but their mirth is cut short by Prætor Luciulius grabbing his personal michrophone and shouting: “STOP!!” Dead silence falls in the arena. “THIS FIGHT IS EVEN. YOU DECIDE!”. His words boom across the PA and the echo is soon covered by excited talking from everywhere. “VOTE FOR THE RETIARIUS!” announces the Prætor. Thumbs-up, thumbs-down. From everybody. “NOW VOTE FOR THE THRAEX!” Idem ut supra. Hmmm. Not easy to gather who won, luckily we’ve got photosensitive cells. Lucilius has obscured the billboard as he wants to announce the result personally. He climbs down, carrying his mic with him, then stands among the two weary fighters and says: “WITH A VERY NARROW MARGIN OF 52 TO 48 PERCENT, VENATIUS WINS!” He lifts the former fisherman’s arm. Blue supporters cheer all around. Then, in a lower but still well-hearable voice, the Prætor talks to Interficius: “You were fantastic, son. You’re safe”. The young Thraex finally removes the heavy helmet from his head… he bangs it on the ground… and jumps for joy! He seems to have regained his full youthful vigor… …and again, what a beautiful way to temporarily close this broadcast link. Censor Placidus here, signing off for a short break with the news and a few ads, and coming back later on for the Second Semifinal. Stay right where you are!   


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95129 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLIINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Second Semifinal

Salvete omnes, and welcome back to the Colosseum for the Second and last Semifinal of the Munera Gladiatoria… [Confused clamoring of people behind Placidus. A man bumps into him… “Oh, excuse me, Censor!” Placidus smiles at him and makes an OK gesture.] You may have gathered that this is Censor and by now fixed Ludi Apollinares commentator Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus speaking to you live… Sorry for all of this chaos happening behind me, folks… dear old Lentulus Sr. back at the studio has decided to reconnect with me right now that most of the audience is starting to come back in… they’re all carrying their little cups of sparkling water, coffee, tea, cervisia, Falernian… you name it!... and somebody’s even licking away at strawberry-flavored and vanilla-flavored ice cream sticks… everything from the nearby, newly-opened café owned by C. Aurelius Vindex, who has decided to give everybody a fresh round of refreshments to celebrate these Ludi. Well done, Vindex!

OK, is everybody re-gaining their seats? [Male voices: “Yeah!!” A young female’s voice from the audience: “Censor Placide, you’re great!” He blushes.] Thank you, dear. Oh gee, am I becoming more popular than THEM?! [waving at the gladiators on the ground.] Anyway, let’s not waste any more time: the fighters are coming in! Entering from the left (or Northern) door, here comes Retiarius Andreas, subscribed by Ædilis A. Iulius Paterculus … who… oops!...  almost trips on his own net, among laughter from everywhere!! What a goofy guy… or maybe is he a natural-born comedian, who has already got an assured successful career as a stand-up act in one of the several clubs down there in Suburra, once he gets tired of fighting in here? Only time will tell, as they say. Stoicus, his equally net-and-dagger-and-trident-armed opponent, subscribed by our Prætor, makes his entrance to the arena from the right (or Southern) door, and sets himself directly opposite Andreas. Prætor… [Placidus looks up and sees that Lucilius is distracted.] Hey, Prætor! [He recoils…] Don’t just stand there looking at your property like it was your new toy and blow your siren, will you? [WHEEEEEZE!] Thanks a lot, amice. Well, guys… off you go!

Andreas starts advancing and… wha’? Am I hearing laughter coming from the bleachers yet again? Oh, no… he’s got his net wrapped not over his shoulder, where it would normally (and wisely) be… but over his HEAD!! Hey, Andy, are you trying to get some sort of do-it-yourself headgear, like some other guys have? You should know that Retiarii are not entitled to have any! Or did you forget that you are a gladiator and you’re turning into a fisherman? (We do already have one in here!) Well, Andreas must’ve heard either me or what’s going on around him , as he’s removing the net from his head… and pulling a VERY disgruntled face to the people laughing behnd him, which shushes them up. However… Andreas apparently is not aware that in a gladiatorial combat (which he is taking, as usual, as lightly as a feather!), just like on the road, you must look IN FRONT of you, not behind. Turn around, and you get hurt… and indeed Stoicus does not let the unforeseen chance given to him by his opponent’s distraction pass him by… seizes it… lunges with his trident on Andreas’ left shoulder, the unprotected one. Right there! Aah! Well, Andy, did that hurt a bit? Are you realizing that this is NOT some kind of game? That your LIFE is at stake in here? Aw, it’s useless talking to this guy, he just seems not to do anything right. He tries making an attack with his trident... but Stoicus is quicker: he throws his net up in the air, catches the trident’s tips and sends it flying from Andreas’ hand… bash!... straight off onto the ground. Andreas is caught off-guard… not for the first time, I have to say. Then Stoicus pulls his dagger off the sheath and starts attacking again. And here goes Andreas the buffoon clowning again… he does a sort of dance in front of Stoicus, as if mocking him: You don’t get me! You don’t get me! But Stoicus DOES get him in the end… I’m not sure whether by skill or by luck, but the tip of his dagger ends up VERY close to Andreas’ esposed right toe… or maybe right into it! All I can see is that Andreas has stopped dancing: he’s kneeling and grabbing his foot. Well, it looks like that’s exactly what Stoicus was waiting for: he looks at him with a very “bleah!”-like attitude, moves behind him and kicks his butt, making him crumble down. Well, folks… I’m sure that Stoicus won this match, but did Andreas really lose? “VOTE FOR THE LOSER!” urges Prætor Lucilius from his podium. I guess whether the audience did actually hear him or not… all I can hear (and see!) is wild laughter all around. But yeah, there are a few thumbs-up and thumbs-down. The numbers add up on the billboard. 51%. He’s safe.

Well, what more can I say, folks? After all of yesterday’s gloom, I think I may close this broadcast link with a rather wide smile on my face. This is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus signing off for the last time here from the Colosseum, see you later this evening at the Gymnasium… and over to you, studio.

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95130 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal

[Male voice, off-screen: “Three, two, one, go.” The broadcast opens on a shot of Placidus at Circus Maximus. He is slightly flustered, and panting. He tries to tidy himself up, but in vain]

Salvete omnes, amici spectatores!...huff! puff! This is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus broadcasting LIVE from the Circus Maximus in Roma for the eagerly-awaited…puff!... Semifinal of the Chariot Race in the Ludi Apollinares. Huff! [Short pause. Placidus wipes his sweaty forehead with a corner of his toga prætexta.] First of all, I humbly beg forgiveness from all of you watching from your TV screens for the absolutely horrible condition in which I am appearing to you, and I shall try to do my best to explain all the wheres and whys and all of the nuts and bolts of it. You see, less than two hours ago I’ve had the great pleasure of witnessing two of the best gladiatorial fights EVER in my opinion, down at the Colosseum, for the Semifinals of the Munera Gladiatoria… and after spending a very pleasant half-hour with my fellow prætextati magistrates who were there with me – namely Ædiles Paterculus and Prætor Lucilius – I set off for the Circus trusting the well-known efficiency of Roma’s public transportation means… and indeed a very kind bus driver dropped me at the nearest possible stop to the Circus. However, there was a huge traffic jam in the streets around here, which means that the bus couldn’t reach any nearer than 300 meters from here. So I had to do those 300 meters on foot and, needless to say, I ran! This, hopefully, explains everything.

Anyway, now I definitely AM here and, from the broadcast center’s window, I’m very glad to see not only BOTH chariots owned by my dear friend Lentulus, from the Russata team, getting ready to run on the racetrack – respectively, Nova Roma with Dorothea (who’s still dirty from the dust, sweat & blood in the gladiators’ arena, but still fiercely fascinating!) on Lane I, and Ralfy-M with mighty African Tyrannosaurus at its helm on Lane III – but also the owner himself, who is right here a few steps from me! Hey, amice, hook up with me for a minute, will you? I’d like a short interview with you. [Lentulus smiles and denies with his hands, but Placidus insists.] Come on! [Lentulus: “OK”. He stands next to Placidus.]

So, amice care, how are you enjoying the races so far?

[Lentulus: “Stunning, absolutely stunning. And it’s all because of you, Placide amice!”]

Aw, don’t adulate me. [Lentulus: “No, it’s true!”] After all the merit for having BOTH chariots on the racetrack is all yours… and one of them is driven by a woman who, although defeated, walked out of the Gladiators’ arena as proud as a queen!

[Lentulus giggles. “No, amice, it’s pure and sheer luck. I didn’t do anything with the chariots and they’re really nothing special! Even my teammate Crassus’ Ulpia Secunda, down there on Lane IV with Sertorius, is better than mine. But yeah, I did my job. And of course I have no wish to be mistaken for the usual recommended guy who wins everything because he’s got liaisons in high places. You know what and who I mean, don’t you?”] Yeah, sure, I know perfectly. [Lentulus: “And as for Dorothea, she’s just a slave I found at the market. She was too gorgeous to live a slave through all of her days, so I freed her… and again it’s sheer luck that she’s very good in both sports!”]

OK, amice, let’s say for now I believe you. [Lentulus giggles again.] You may go now. Vale!

[Lentulus: “Optime vale, Censor amice, and have a nice chronicle!”]

Ah, my dear Lentulus. Always the joker kind of guy… Where were we? Ah, the race. Well, you’ve heard my friend talking about Crassus and Ulpia Secunda, and so the line-up is completed by Fulmen Punicum, driven by Hanno PÅ“nulus and owned by C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus for Veneta… ah, the lone Blue! This explains the complete and utter chromatic reversal I am seeing on the bleachers, from the Colosseum to here – it’s a Reds-dominated circus with just one quarter of  Blues! Well, in a really short while we shall find out if the bichromy will be persisting all the way through tomorrow evening’s Final… as Prætor Lucilius (who’s here as well… he caught the bus before mine, the lucky bastard! *grin*) is about to drop the nappa… and he does… and they’re off!

LAP I

As it was easily predictable ever since I saw HER on the track, Dorothea immediately takes the lead by inflicting a series of high-power lashes upon her horses – and one on her rival driver Pœnulus in Lane II, who is (understandably) nothing-but pleased! He looks at her with admiration – she ignores him, of course. Her lioness-like blond mane… ahem, hair… has re-started freely flowing behind her head and everyone is in awe… including, somehow, the bulky Tyrannosaurus on Ralfy and Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda, who are lagging behind… at least for the moment. Here comes the terrible spina… Pœnulus, after speeding with all his might through the preceding straight line, slows down a little bit and wisely turns at a safe distance from it, while Dorothea, at full blast, crosses EXTREMELY close to the spina… gee, she is SO close… but nothing happens, and she keeps her lead. What a woman! Even the brazen second dolphin, coming down to announce the start of the next lap, seems to be bowing to her.

LAP II

I honestly think that from now on, until the very end of this Semifinal, we may stop worrying about Dorothea on Nova Roma, for two reasons: 1) her lead is solid all the way through – her immediate pursuer Pœnulus, no matter how hard he tries, gets closer and closer and closer and closer but never seems to actually overtake her! … and 2) she keeps eating up bend after bend, spina after spina, just like a ten-year-old schoolboy would eat up a slice of bread abundantly smeared with Nutella!! [Lentulus, near the broadcasting center, explodes into roaring laughter.] Hey, Lentule, you liked that, huh? Folks, sorry for the down-to-the-ground silliness of this food-based comparison, but it’s just about the only way in which I can describe what the wild woman’s doing. And what about the other two? Well, they’re in the back, looking somehow like they’re having a pleasant stroll on a leafy Roman avenue… except for the fact that they’re insulting each other, with Tyrannosaurus spouting out unwritable obscenities in some Arab dialect to Sertorius, who responds with worse stuff in Gallæcian… while the third dolphin bends, telling me that we’re into…

LAP III

What did I tell you about Dorothea? We don’t need to follow her anymore. While Pœnulus keeps restraining his otherwise furious horses at every single spina to avoid crashing into a wall, the lioness queen keeps gnawing at them… just like a lioness after some profitable hunting! Of course it is in the straight lines that the short-sized Veneta driver gets his chances not only to abbreviate his detachment from the all-powerful Nova Roma chariot, but to take a closer look at its driver. And everytime he does get close and winks at her, she barely glances at him – and when she glances him a bit longer, it’s just to blow a rapsberry at him with her mouth. Back there, Tyrannosaurus must have somehow realized that it’s not the middle of Spring, and that he’s not smelling the flowers while walking and thinking about nothing, and he’s starting to shoot some lashes as well, and VERY slightly speeding up. Well, you’re a bit late, ain’t you, big guy? Because, you see, the fourth dolphin is bowing right now, and it’s time for…

LAP IV

…the fourth and last lap of this mostly predictable race. Dorothea… aw, why am I still talking about her?!? She swallows the spina – gulp! – just like she’s swallowing a glass of water, and I bet she’s going to follow suit for the last bend. PÅ“nulus is yet again getting closer to her in the straight line... one more wink… one more thumb-up from him... and one more rapsberry from her!! PÅ“nulus, please allow me to give you a friend’s advice, will you? Give it up. She’s DEFINITELY not your kind of woman. And, talking about giving it up, there’s one man on the racetrack who seems to have taken my hypothetical advice to PÅ“nulus quite literally. He has resigned to being fourth. His black pure-breed steeds look more tired than every other creature here in the Circus – both four-legged and two-legged. And now… hey, what did I just tell you about Dorothea? She gets to the last bend and, not needing to rush any longer as she’s WAY ahead of everybody, she seems to fly around the spina with the gracefulness of an étoile from the Parisian Opera Ballet. And then, of course, she crosses the finish line in all her glory. Behind her, in second place, basking in his OWN glory of having earned a place in the Final – so he can see her again! – there’s Hanno PÅ“nulus on Fulmen Punicum… closely followed by Tyrannosaurus on Ralfy-M, who has somehow managed to catch up to him and finishes third… and the procession is concluded on a sour note by the disenchanted and broken Sertorius on Ulpia Secunda. C’mon, Sertori, it’ll be better next time. And to you, Crasse amice…  I do look forward to your chariot and gladiator subscriptions in the next Ludi!

This, I think, wraps up this penultimate broadcast of mine in the Ludi Apollinares – at least, as long as the Circenses are concerned. I’ve still got fighters waiting for me! However, for now, this is Censor-cum-manager-cum-sportcaster Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus signing off, and hoping to meet you all this evening. See you at the Gymnasium!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95131 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - MUNERA GLADIATORIA - Final

[The broadcast opens on a ceiling shot of a brightly lit but not excessively large room. The camera moves slowly downwards to reveal a cheering crowd of people, all standing behind a cord and equipped with blue flags, blue banners, blue bandanas etc. Some of them have their faces painted blue. Placidus stands in front of the crowd, about two meters from them.] Salvete omnes, dominæ ed domini… [Crowd clamouring behind.]… oof! Lentule, can you please put a bit more level into my chest mic? Otherwise these wild beasts behind me will be drowining me out! [His voice gets slightly louder.] Thank you. This is Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus… [Voice from off-screen, near Placidus: “No, you’re not!”] What the h— [Placidus turns to his right. Consul M. Pompeius Caninus comes in full view next to him. Placidus sees him and stands to attention.] Consul! It’s you!

[Caninus: “At ease, amice. You’re not in the Legions’ ranks any longer. I’m just joking.”]

What do you mean, sir?

[Caninus: “Also, don’t ‘Sir’ me, please. I mean, you’re wonderful, but you just don’t need to introduce yourself with your full prænomen, nomen, cognomen and agnomen every time you start a broadcast. And you don’t need to qualify yourself as Censor. Just say “Placidus”, OK?]

OK, as you wish, sir. [The Consul smiles, points a finger at Placidus in a jokey manner and moves off-screen] Lentule, can we start from the top, please? [Voice from earphone.] Oh, we’re live?! Well, who the heck cares! Well, folks, just as I was about to say a minute ago, this is JUST Placidus… [He turns to Caninus, who smiles again.]…broadcasting live from the Gladiators’ Gymnasium in Roma, with more than  three hundred rowdy Blues huddling behind me… [Crowd clamours and waves flags.] and another five hundred or more, I guess, assembled outside and watching on the big screens what is, by definition, the Final match of the Munera Gladiatoria for the Ludi Apollinares 2768 AUC. [Prætor Lucilius and the Consul appear to introduce the contestants.] Standing beside me, on my left, introduced by his owner, none but Consul Caninus himself… 6 feet tall… long uncouth beard and hair… from the unwelcoming coasts of Northern Britannia… VENUTIUS!! [Crowd cheers.] Consul, please accept my humble apologies for getting his name wrong up to now – it’s VenUtius rather than VenEtius! I must have been given a wrong card. [The Consul winks at Placidus and mouths: “That’s OK.”] On my right, introduced by his owner, Prætor Sex. Lucilius Tutor… muscular and well-built… from Athens, but by now a fully naturalized Roman… STOICUS!! [More cheering.] Both of them, as you can see, are Retiarii; both fight for Veneta and both are equipped with their full weaponry: net, dagger and trident… Hey, Lucili, what is that curious red thing in your hand? [He shows it.] Oh, it’s the siren! Well, I don’t think you need it here in this rather intimate, closed-up setting. Just do a regular start.

[Everyone except the gladiators moves off-screen. Prætor Lucilius, off to the left: “Attention, please… Ready?… Fight!!”]

Ladies and gentlemen in front of your screens, even from the premise of this Final, I gather it’s going to be a truly memorable fight! Both Venutius and Stoicus have thrown their nets to the ground, as if explicitly stating that this is going to be a clean, honest, no-tricks combat. Venutius shots a menacing glance at Stoicus, while towering over his average-height opponent. But Stoicus, who has witnessed much worse than that in his native Greece, does not show any signs of fear at all, and indeed it is him who launches into his first dagger attack, very rapidly towards Venutius’ waist… he is faster, and neutralizes the hits very easily, either by parrying with his trident’s stick or by making a series of quick jumps. Now it’s his turn to make his attack move… he lunges with his trident, once, twice, but both times he hits Stoicus’ manica. At the third attempt, however, he scores… he’s hit Stoicus’ arm just below the manica! Stoicus winces slightly, but does no more than that… he has proven time and again that he his a hundred-percent faithful to the meaning of his name. And here go the daggers again! Both fighters are engaging with just the smallest, shortest weapons available to gladiators everywhere, but this doesn’t mean that the fight is less powerful and, for that matter, less furious: all that I’m hearing now is clang, clang, clang, clang! They’re even overwhelming the crowd’s furor! The hits they are both getting are mostly to their arms, but it seems that nothing can hurt them… and nothing can stop them… except maybe for… Prætor Lucilius, who sets himself between the two fighters. [Lucilius: “Time out, please, boys.” To Placidus: “Placide, this is becoming too repetitive and too drawn-out. We need the hit counter.”] Ah, OK, go get it, will you? [He moves off-screen again.] Well, folks, for the first time in these Munera, our latest technological gadget, the electronic hit counter, makes its appearance in a match. You see, this is a small box equipped with a camera which “sees” every move that our heroes make, whether it hits or not, and adds up one point for every correct, within-the-rules move for each gladiator… again, indipendently from the move causing any physical damage or not. [Lucilius comes in again with the hit counter and gives it to Placidus while holding a score-board in his hands. Then he restarts the match. “Attention, please, boys… Ready? Fight!”] The two fighters have suddenly become a lot more circumspect than before, as they know that every move they make, every finger they shift, counts as much as the nastiest of wounds! Venutius can’t wait any longer and grabs his trident… he thrusts it… again… and again… and again… … he hits Stoicus’ chest… the latter responds with the dagger, moving rapidly, but never too fast for the robotic eye in our device. Up… left… right… left again… center, to Venutius’ chest… he hits him… droplets of blood fall on the shining white marble floor of the Gymnasium… but the last very scoring move is from Venutius, who almost pushes his dagger straight into Stoicus’ arm! Only the latter’s quickness of movement saves him and… [Lucilius intervenes again: “STOP!! He shows the score-board to Placidus and the audience: VENUTIUS 7, STOICUS 6.] Oh my!! Venutius has won by ONE POINT!! Come here, big man.  Well done! [He goes to Venutius and puts his arm around Venutius’ shoulder – he barely manages to do that. Venutius’ face changes from seriously menacing to broadly smiling. He is joyful.] Ok, what more do we need, Prætor? Ah, sure, the vote. But I think we already know that, don’t we? [The audience shows indeed a vast majority of thumbs-up with a very few thumbs-down.] Stoicus, you were great and you are safe. This couldn’t end any better, right, Prætor? [Lucilius: “Right!!]

OK, dominæ et domini, puellæ et pueri, everyone who’s been watching this up to now… Munera Gladiatoria are OVER… at least for this edition of Ludi Apollinares! But the Ludi themselves are NOT over… I’ll be waiting for you all to join me at the Circus Maximus for the OTHER most exciting event of today, the Chariot Race Final! Anyway, as of right now, this is P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus signing off and seeing all of you later on, tonight!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95132 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES "IPSE DIXIT" quiz - DAY 5

EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR 


THE LAST Day of the Ipse Dixit quiz honoring the Ludi Apollinares. 


RULES: Each day, starting from July 9 and finishing on July 13, the final day of the Ludi Apollinares, a series of items shall be posted here. Each item will include a famous Latin phrase and 3 (or occasionally 4) questions relating to the phrase itself. All citizens may compete, and it is NOT NECESSARY to answer the questions related to one item before the next item is posted, as all items will be fully valid until the conclusion of the game. Each correct answer will have a score, and the highest scorer will be the WINNER!! If there is tie for first place, I will decide based on how quickly the answers were sent to me. SO TIME MATTERS AND YOU MUST SEND ANSWER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE !!



CURRENT STANDING OF THE CONTEST

Ranking is determined by the points you get, and ranking within the same point level is determined by quickness of answer (reply order point). The first to send answer get 1, the second 2 and so on. At the end of the game,the less reply order point you have, the better for you.If we will have ties in the 1st place, the winner is the one who has the least reply order points among the people whose normal points are the highest.

Pompeius Caninus sent answers so he advanced to 1st place with Tullia Scholastica. Claudius Quadratus and Tullius Valerianus are second. Tomorrow we will know the winners name! 

1st Place Ties
A. Tullia Scholastica 29/29 (22)
Marcus Pompeius Caninus 29/29 (34)

2nd Place Ties
C. Claudius Quadratus  28/29 (10)
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus  28/29 (24)

3rd Place Ties
Tiberius Marcius Quadra  27/29 (34)

4th Place
John L Barbato  23/29 (22)

5th Place
C. Fabius Lupus  22/29 (13)

6th Place
C. Cornelius Aculeo 20/29 (3)

7th Place
Sexta Laelia Macra 17/29 (17)

8th Place
M. Lollius Labeo  11/29 (7) 

9th Place Ties
Valeria Pavo 7/29 (8)


SEE TODAYS ITEM on our Ludi webpage made by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus:


Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95133 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Planeta Pluto (OT)
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Ut fortasse aliqui vestrum bene scitis, bene máne hodie adventum machinae planetam Plutonem inspicientis astronomi expectabant.  De eventu nondum audivi, sed speremus peritiam eorum sat fuisse et esse ut omnia de transitu optimé successerint.  

Scitne aliquis plura?  

Valéte!  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95134 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Scholasticae Omnibusque  in Forum S.P.D.

Astronavis "Novus Horizon" hodie Plutonem consecuta est.
Nasa accepit, accipit et accipiet multas imagines.
Pluto  major quam putavimus visus est.


Vale et valete optime
ALH



On Monday, July 13, 2015 2:15 PM, "' A. Tullia Scholastica' flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Ut fortasse aliqui vestrum bene scitis, bene máne hodie adventum machinae planetam Plutonem inspicientis astronomi expectabant.  De eventu nondum audivi, sed speremus peritiam eorum sat fuisse et esse ut omnia de transitu optimé successerint.  

Scitne aliquis plura?  

Valéte!  

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95135 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

A. Liburnius Hadrianus Scholasticae Omnibusque  in Forum S.P.D.

Astronavis "Novus Horizon" hodie Plutonem consecuta est.

Ita dixit diurnarius, etsi primo ajebant nonnulli astronavem hodie, non cras, adventuram.  

Nasa accepit, accipit et accipiet multas imagines.

Speremus!  At ad diem Mercuri Jovisve expectandum'st, nam inter nos et Plutonem sunt multa milia passuum, quae nihil, nec lux ipsa, celeriter transire quit!  


Pluto  major quam putavimus visus est.

Re verá?  Fortasse iterum planeta officialis fiat…  ;-) 

Et tu, et vos!  

ALH

ATS



On Monday, July 13, 2015 2:15 PM, "' A. Tullia Scholastica' flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Ut fortasse aliqui vestrum bene scitis, bene máne hodie adventum machinae planetam Plutonem inspicientis astronomi expectabant.  De eventu nondum audivi, sed speremus peritiam eorum sat fuisse et esse ut omnia de transitu optimé successerint.  

Scitne aliquis plura?  

Valéte!  

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95136 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - Final

[The broadcast opens on a shot of Placidus inside the broadcasting center. An elderly man, with his shoulders to him, is sitting in front of a TV monitor behind him, and various other monitors are on – with people sitting in front of them.]

Salvete omnes, dominæ et domini, iuvenes, puellæ et pueri – in one word, everybody! – and welcome back here in the Circus Maximus to the “Last of the Last” great event in this 2768 AUC edition of Nova Roma’s Ludi Apollinares – the Chariot Race Final! [The younger operators in front of the monitors behind Placidus cheer.] Thanks, guys. My name, as you probably know by now, is P. Ann. Constantinus Placidus – or just Placidus for anyone who knows me; for anyone who DOESN’T know me, well, I’m a Censor in Nova Roma, temporarily assuming the role of Ludi events manager, chronicler and commentator – quite a feat for a quiet unassuming guy like me, ain’t it? Something else you all are most probably able to notice is the setting around me – I’m not standing on the racetrack any longer, but I’m in the relatively calm environment of the director’s booth up here in the broadcast center… yes, folks, that’s where my affectionate video director operates from… Mr. Gnæus Cornelius Lentulus Maior, or better, Senior! Lentule, say hi to our viewers, will you? [Lentulus Sr. turns for a very short instant, half-grunts a “Hullo…” and turns promptly back to his monitor.] Hear that, folks? He can speak! [Lentulus, his back to Placidus: “Ha, ha, friggin’ ha. Very funny.”] Oh, just don’t care about him. He’s a bit of a grumpy bear. But he’s a fantastic director. And also a golden-hearted guy. Well, that’s not the only surprise I have here for you tonight… Quadratus, will you reveal yourself, please? [Gaius Claudius Quadratus comes in from off-screen right, and says hi.] Welcome here, amice mi, and thanks for having accepted my invitation.

[Quadratus: “Thanks a lot to YOU for having invited me here – a welcome diversion from the daily paperwork!”]

I can bet it is, amice. So, like I was asking Lentulus earlier this afternoon, how are you liking the races so far?

[Quadratus: “Well, Placide amice, as you may certainly see, I’m a little bit beyond the time when I could fully appreciate all of the hustling and bustling of chariot racing. But I can definitely assure you that, in my greener years, I didn’t miss a single Ludi broadcast… I saw lots and lots and lots on my old black & white set… and I occasionally watched a few others in color when my office job left me some time to… now that I’m retired, I think I can resume my former pastime, don’t you think?”]

Oh, definitely, amice. Listen, what—

[Quadratus:…and of course these latest broadcasts are much better than last year’s, because it’s you doing them!]

[Placidus blushes again…] Hey, hey, hey, all you flatterers. You really wish to turn me into a radish or something?!? First Tullia, then the Consul, now you… am I  maybe becoming some sort of new Deity to worsh— [He is interrupted by a grunt from  Lentulus Sr., who points out of the window towards the racetrack.] What’s up, Lentule? Are they starting yet? Ah, no, it’s the pageant. [Lentulus Sr. keeps pointing insistently out of the window…] What? Should I comment it? [Lentulus Sr.”Uh-uh!”]  OK, let me see… [He looks out.] Well… top models from India with the latest Oriental fashion trends… flower girls from Sicily… exotic dancers from… Egypt, I guess… the usual stuff as in every single Ludi Final. Boring. Yeah, sorry, Lentule, as an event commentator I shouldn’t be saying anything REMOTELY like that, but you see, I’m not— [Some bursts of half-coughed, stifled laughter are heard from Quadratus. Placidus turns back to him.]… I’m not a commentator, you see, amice. I honestly cannot say it’s the first time I’m doing something like this… I’m sure I’ve done it before… but it’s always something very, very outside my comfort zone. The fact is that… you know, Quadrate… I’m a—

[Quadratus: “…a Censor. Sure you are, Censor Placide. And a very good Censor to work for. But you also are a perfect anchorman to be interviewed by.”]

Oh, yes, the interview! I was forgetting about that… [Placidus turns for a moment to the window and sees that the charioteers are getting ready to line up on the starting line.] We’ve got time for just one more question. What is the element of chariot racing you are looking forward to the most? What do you expect to see?

[Quadratus: “Well, when I was younger, what I always enjoyed the most was the unrpredictability. The surprise factor. Now that everything’s quantized, electronicized, computerized, -ized, -ized, -ized, some of that unpredictableness is inevitably gone. But I’m glad that some quirky stuff still happens now and then out there on the tracks, doesn’t it?”]

Sure it does. [Crowd clamoring from outside.] Well, amice, looks like it’s time for me to resume my temporary job. It was a real pleasure chatting to you, but unfortunately I’ve got to start my chronicle.

[Quadratus: “OK, go ahead, amice. Vale!”]

Optime vale, Quadrate, et gratias multas iterum. [Quadratus moves away.] Great guy, isn’t he, folks? Anyway, back to the race. There are only two chariots on the track now – namely Lentulus Jr.’s Nova Roma, running for Russata, with the great, great Dorothea at the helm in Lane I, and next to it in Lane II we have Valerianus Germanicus’ Fulmen Punicum, running for Veneta and steered by the equally great – but differently, of course! – Hanno PÅ“nulus. The bleachers have regained the perfect Blue/Red bichromy I was expecting to see, this time more rigidly parted than before.  I’ve been told about the drivers’ different tactics – PÅ“nulus wanting to “save the best for last”, as they say, and hurry in the last laps, while Dorothea has chosen what she’s proven to be best at, i.e. hugging the spinæ, even for this last race. Dorothea… ahem… if  I were you, I’d be looking for somebody much better to be hugging than a cold stone wall! And maybe I’d find that somebody not too far from you!! But alas, I guess that romancing finds no time and no place in the heady and speedy world of chariot racing… and apparently, right now, PÅ“nulus’ nervous whistling before starting (whistling to himself, I guess, rather than to her!) is nagging her to the point that she’s getting more restless than her horses and she keeps looking to her right with an half-irritated, half-spiteful look on her face. Well, I’d say it’s quite a step forward from ignoring him outright! Anyway…they’ve both got no more time for that, as Prætor Lucilius has erected himself on his podium and he’s more than ready to drop the nappa. He does, and, for the last time in these Ludi, they’re off!

LAP I

A cloud… well,no! a small-sized tornado!... of white-brown dust rises up from the starting line… getting Prætor Lucilius’ brand-new toga prætexta all dirty in the process… Hey, Lucilius, now you know what it’s like to actually be on the racetrack, don’t you? The horses’ pace is furious for both charioteers, this time. Clearly Pœnulus has learned from Dorothea her trick of shooting a tremendously long string of sharp lashes to the horses in the very first seconds of a race, and puts it to very good use. He is exactly nose-to nose with her… side-by-side… as the first straight line of the first lap is ending, they’re paired and look like one huge monstrous Quadriga… except for the respective colours, of course, with Nova Roma’s gold-red paint shining beauifully to the last rays of the setting sun and being certainly more visible than Fulmen Punicum’s by-now-fading bluish tint. Anyway, colors don’t really matter here when there’s a SPINA waiting for you! Here they go… Pœnulus slows down, a bit less than he’s accustomed to do, and turns with no problems… Dorothea eats it up as usual. Hey… but… what’s that noise I’ve just heard? Was that a sort of muffled clang? And… is it my tired eyes, or is it Nova Roma’s right wheel slightly but perilously wobbling?! Lentule, please, can we get a bit of a zoom on the rear of her chariot? [Camera zooms in.] Oh, no… it’s not my eyes… she’s lost the middle bolt on the wheel!! She must’ve hit the wall… oh, heck, is her race over so shortly after beginning? [Glancing on the monitor, Placidus sees Dorothea bending over the side of her chariot, towards the wheel.] And why is she bending over like that… at the risk of getting a huge scratch from the wheel on her armpit?! I just have no idea… but I think I’ll find it out very soon, as the bowing second dolphin is telling me that Lap I is over and it’s the start of…

LAP II

Hey, folks! You won’t believe what you’re seeing… what I’M seeing… Dorothea’s horses have resumed galloping furiously, and her right wheel is as stable as ever! How’d she do that? Some sort of magic?... No, wait a minute… Lentule, can you zoom in again on her, please? [Lentulus Sr. grunts: “Humpf!”] Just one moment? Please? [Lentulus Sr.: “Uh, OK.” Camera zooms in as above.] Oh, sure! Her NECKLACE!! Now I do remember… Prætor Lucilius had even got one of his Scribæ to inform her, before the race, that wearing heavy jewellery on a racetrack – and more so during a Ludi Final – would be somehow against the rules… she was scornful as usual and that was pretty much it… but at the start she did wear a huge cubic-shaped bronze nut as the centerpiece of her necklace… which right now isn’t there anymore. I think I can guess where that bronze nut ended up. Can you, folks?  That woman’s got just as much willpower as that old steam train in that stage musical… wat was it called? [Quadratus, off-screen from behind Placidus: “Starlight Express!”]. Oh sure, Quadrate, that was it. [Quadratus smiles.] I’ve never seen ANYTHING like that happening during a chariot race, and I’ve witnessed a few. Quadrate amice, was that the “element of unpredictability” that you were looking for? [He glances back at Quadratus, who gives him two big thumbs-up.] Well, back to the race, folks… I see that Dorothea, totally forgetful of her accident, has gained a small but substantial lead… and it’s increasing… and PÅ“nulus is lagging a bit just as the third dolphin goes down, bringing us all right into…

LAP III

The Quadriga from Lap I seems to have mysteriously rebuilt itself, as right now the two chariots are perfectly paired… hey, they even got around the first spina together! Did somebody use glue? Or is there something else going on? Well, I’d better not investigate further, but I’m seeing Dorothea turning more and more and more often towards her opponent… up to now she always, invariably looked straight ahead of her! Oh, well, maybe I’m imagining things. And now… here goes Pœnulus exploiting his chosen tactic… we’re shortly past the middle point of the second straight line in Lap III and he speeds up, and up, and up… and overtakes her! Even from here I can hear the shouting from the Blue sides of the bleachers… VE-NE-TA!! VE-NE-TA!! This burst of joy is short-lived, however… a sharp acceleration from Dorothea, she catches up… and the Quadriga reforms itself yet again. There definitely IS something between these two. I can’t quite grasp what, right now, but there IS something… and it’s proved by their perfect, almost harmonious simultaneity in going around the second spina, exactly as before… the pair breaks down, but just a little… Fulmen’s horses are slightly ahead of Nova Roma’s for a brief moment as they cross the finish line for the penultimate time, and the fourth dolphin goes down to signal everyone that we, and they, are going to push into…

LAP IV

Yes. This is it. This is the Final. The last lap. The last chance. Some of my last words of comment as well, at least for these Ludi Apollinares. And of course, it’s the last time for me and for everyone to see the mighty Quadriga I’ve been watching since four laps ago in full action, and at full speed! They are not shifting an INCH… I can guarantee you, folks… it’s a PERFECT coupling! PÅ“nulus, of course, is still very much determined not to allow the lioness to have the final word, and, after distancing himself a little right around the first spina (of all places!), accelerates again and advances…. but the force and the sheer speed of Dorothea’s lashes are unmatchable and are simply too much for PÅ“nulus’ horses, and for his arms. So, while Nova Roma is swallowing the very last spina for the very last time in these Ludi, he remains very slightly behind. He makes a final push, a final desperate attempt to regain for himself a vision of the Quadriga, but it’s too late. The chariots cross the finish line, and Dorothea on Nova Roma wins by a neck… isn’t that what they say? Those good sportcasters  on the Olympic channel? [Quadratus, from behind: “Sure!”] While the Red color erupts all over the bleachers, PÅ“nulus on Fulmen Punicum is contented with a more-than-honourable second place. They restrain their horses, climb off their chariots and head towards the winners’ podium, where Prætor Lucilius is ready to meet them with their respective gold and silver medals. But… hey… as Dorothea is lifting her head up after being crowned with her medal… is that a SMILE I’m seeing on her face? And is she actually EYEING PÅ“nulus and smiling TO him?!

What was I telling you earlier, folks? There IS something between these two. Now I’ve finally grasped what it is. L’amour, as they say up there in Gallia. And while the air all around seems to be changing itself into a pink color… or is it just some clouds of red confetti still hanging around?... this is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus, Gnæus Cornelius Lentulus Maior and Gaius Claudius Quadratus thanking you all for joining us and signing off. Goodbye everybody, optime valete omnes, and see you all… hopefully… at the next Ludi!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95137 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-07-13
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)

P. Porcius Licinius A. Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque S.P.D.

This morning's status report had no important news.  New Horizons will fly past Pluto tomorrow, pridie Idus, not quite two hours after noon, Roman time.  It will take 5 hours for the radio transmission to reach Earth.  (It would take a similar transmission from the Sun only 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach us.)  NASA plans to analyze the data and make a report the following day, on the Ides, an hour after midnight Roman time.


Valete!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95138 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: Planeta Pluto (OT)
A.  Tullia Scholastica P. Porcio Licinio quiritibusque sal. 

 

P. Porcius Licinius A. Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque S.P.D.

This morning's status report had no important news.  New Horizons will fly past Pluto tomorrow, pridie Idus, not quite two hours after noon, Roman time. 


Id est, ut dixi, bene máne in Statibus Unitis, Canada, Mexico, etc.: c. octavam horam híc, c. quintam in Californiá.    



It will take 5 hours for the radio transmission to reach Earth.  (It would take a similar transmission from the Sun only 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach us.) 


Recté, ut didicimus in cursu scientiae apud scholam grammaticam (gradu octavo vel nono, sed fortasse antea). 

NASA plans to analyze the data and make a report the following day, on the Ides, an hour after midnight Roman time.


Bene; erit ergo septimá horá Novi Eboraci.  

Gratias!  


Valete!


Vale, et valete!  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95139 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Allons!
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, tironibus, peregrinisque S.P.D.

C'est aujourd'hui le jour de la prise de la Bastille!  Meilleurs souhaits, citoyens de France!  

Allons, enfants de la patrie, 
le jour de gloire est arrivé! 
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
l'étendard sanglant est levé (bis)!
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes, 
mugir ces féroces soldats? 
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
égorger nos fils, nos compagnes.

In linguam maternam: 

Eamus, filii patriae; dies gloriae adest!
Contra tyrannidem sumus; 
Vexillum cruens sublatum (bis)!
Auditisne hos feroces milites 
in agris mugientes?  
Vénerunt usque ad bracchia nostra
ut filios uxoresque trucidarent.
[guttura discindentes] 

=====


  

Valéte!  

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95140 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: De poetico Latino certamine
 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95141 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.  Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95142 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Scribonio Nasicae optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Profusé erubescens...

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.

Profound and profuse thanks to you!  I am deeply honored, and, as above, blushing copiously.  Although I write in Latin almost every day (for all communication with the assimilation-method Sermo Latinus students must be in Latin after the first half of the course, and there is little choice with those who speak only Spanish), I have never, ever before written a poem in Latin--and doubt that any classical author would recognize this piece as such.  Many long years ago, English schoolboys were compelled to try their hands at such things, but alas, those days seem to have vanished, and certainly no such thing was ever demanded during my years in school, college, or university.   We did have prose composition, and learned various forms of scansion (none employed below), but poetic composition remained untouched.  


The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.

More blushing…and more deep thanks.  


Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

Oh, dear…I did ask not to print this poor specimen of an attempt at poetry…lately I have felt the absence of the Muses more than their presence.  


" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica

Many thanks to them, although the malevolent M$ deities of the net have forbidden me to receive private mail via my primary ML address, so have not received anything other than this.  Mailing list posts may arrive; private ones won't. Thus I use an alternate address when I expect return correspondence, as in the case of mentioning our Latin classes.   Those who may encounter some difficulties understanding recent correspondence to the ML will find our Latin courses quite beneficial--but work is involved, and not everyone can handle the time or effort required.  


and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".

Iterum plurimas et ingentes gratias!  


Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Vale, et valete!  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95143 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95144 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
SALVE

Thank you to everybody who participated in this 8th Edition of Ipse Dixit quiz created by P. Annaeus Placidus. It is now closed, and results are following.

Remember, I will donate a prize to the winner:

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95145 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES CLOSED
EX OFFICIO PRAETOR SEXTUS LUCILIUS TUTOR

Nova Roma Citizens,
We have honored Apollo and Roman culture with ritual and dedicated games during the last 5 days. I hope not only they participated who played in the games but in spirit a lot more citizens were with us to remember Rome, our heritage and Apollo's role in western culture and civilization, arts and philosophy. 
  I congratulate the winners, A. Tullia Scholastica the Latin Poetry Contest winner, C. Claudius Quadratus the Ipse Dixit Quiz winner, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus the Virtual Chariot Race Ludi Circenses winner, and M. Pompeius Caninus the Vitual Munera Gladiatoria winner.
 And deepest respect to my assistants who made this ludi happen: I thank in the first place P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus for creating the virtual games and the Ipse Dixit Quiz, to my Collega Praetor A. Liburnius Hadrianus for contributing to the Chariot Race. A huge thank to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus who was the bedrock of the organization of Ludi Apollinares. I also thank A. Scribonius Nasica for doing the Latin Poetic Contest, and T. Domitius Draco for assisting me. 

Now the Ludi Apollinares is closed!

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95146 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine

C. Maria Caeca A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

 

Congratulations, Amica Carissime!  I couldn’t understand most of it, of course ..but even JAWS couldn’t detract from its beauty!

 

Vale quam optime!

 

Maria

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95147 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-14
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae S.P.D. 

 

C. Maria Caeca A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

 

Congratulations, Amica Carissime! 


Gratias quam plurimas!  

I couldn’t understand most of it,


There are ways around that…but some of the vocabulary was deliberately poetic.  

of course ..but even JAWS couldn’t detract from its beauty!


JAWS didn't mince it up and spit it out?  ;-)  Are you using the Spanish version?  That should be closer to Latin...

 

Vale quam optime!


Et tu!  

 

Maria


Valeás!  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95148 From: logsdonethan Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Settling accounts
Salvete omnes,

After years of citizenship, while operating in a bit of a grey area as a minor, I have finally reached 18 years of age and have presumably attained to all the rights and responsibilities of a Roman citizen. Which leads me to my foremost question... do I have to catch up on taxes or anything? I'm marked as Assiduus in the Album Civium, but with a note that that expires in 2013, and the wiki puts me on the taxrolls for 2766. Do I need to settle back-taxes for 2014/2767 or...? I would appreciate the help of someone in the know!

Valete optime,

Q Iulius Nepos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95149 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES CLOSED
A. Tullia Scholastica Sex. Lucilio Tutori omnibus apud praetoriumque S.P.D. 

Many thanks for these lovely games!  There were many surprises, including the hidden talents of a certain Placidus, who otherwise toils over the joys of Roman names more suitable for Goths in medieval Europe (by chance, I just read a chapter in another book featuring a certain Venantius Fortunatus and Radegund; the names therein are quite intriguing).  As a classicist and teacher in that field, I was delighted to see how many of our citizens participated in the Ipse Dixit quiz, and hope that this will bring greater knowledge of Latin to our New Romans (better to do one's own translations, though, especially since the original form of one of the texts was inaccurate, so net-based translations were also incorrect)… I'm not sure how many joined me in the poetry contest; we have many here who are quite capable of such feats, and probably of doing better than I did, but welcome this new type of certamen, and hope it will continue.  Every Roman should know Latin, a language which is spoken today by many people who share no other common language, and one which contributed about 60% of the English vocabulary and lots more to those of the Romance languages.  English before Latin arrived is unrecognizable to anyone but a specialist in Germanic languages or a similar field; I would be happy to repost some examples of this for those who missed them.    


Congratulations to the other winners, and may this continue! 

Macte virtute, praetores, scribae, et adjutores!  

Valete!  

 

EX OFFICIO PRAETORIS SEXTI LUCILI TUTORIS

Nova Roma Citizens,
We have honored Apollo and Roman culture with ritual and dedicated games during the last 5 days. I hope not only they participated who played in the games but in spirit a lot more citizens were with us to remember Rome, our heritage and Apollo's role in western culture and civilization, arts and philosophy. 
  I congratulate the winners, A. Tullia Scholastica the Latin Poetry Contest winner, C. Claudius Quadratus the Ipse Dixit Quiz winner, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus the Virtual Chariot Race Ludi Circenses winner, and M. Pompeius Caninus the Vitual Munera Gladiatoria winner.
 And deepest respect to my assistants who made this ludi happen: I thank in the first place P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus for creating the virtual games and the Ipse Dixit Quiz, to my Collega Praetor A. Liburnius Hadrianus for contributing to the Chariot Race. A huge thank to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus who was the bedrock of the organization of Ludi Apollinares. I also thank A. Scribonius Nasica for doing the Latin Poetic Contest, and T. Domitius Draco for assisting me. 

Now the Ludi Apollinares is closed!

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95150 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: Settling accounts
Ave,

All you would need to do is to pay the Class V rate.  Given your age status and such I would not apply any late fee given the circumstances of your situation.  Being a minor would not necessitate payment of taxes since you could not have the full benefits of citizenship until you reached an age of majority.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95151 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Roman History Podcast
Avete Omnes,

While I am still essentially home bound I have had a great deal of time on my hands to explore podcasts.  Earlier I posted some and I can repost those and create a Wiki page on the website for such resources.  

The reason for this post is that I have found more podcasts.  :)  These might be of some interest to us and I hope you find this as pleasurable as I have:








Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95152 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-07-15
Subject: Re: Settling accounts
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Gods...how years fly...still remember our conversations from the time I was censor. I really appreciate your constant desire for NR. Very good! Success.

VALE ET VALETE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95154 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-07-17
Subject: Re: Latin classes
A. Pompeia Crispa A. Tullia Scholastica S.P.D.

I would like more information on the Wheelock-based Latin course. I already own Wheelock's 7th Edition. I've been trying to learn on my own for a while now, and I think I need more practice and help. The Latin I know is very basic. 

Cura, ut valeas!

(I edited this message.) 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95155 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-17
Subject: Re: Latin classes
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Pompejae Crispae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

I have responded privately lest I clutter up the ML with information interesting  to only a few.  If anyone else is interested in any of our courses, please let me know either via the ML / Hospitum or privately.  This address will receive private posts; the other will not.  

Vale, et valete.  

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95156 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-18
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").
Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95157 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-18
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95158 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
TM.Quadra AT.Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
My dear sheri, it (Guam) was my 2nd favorite word in your poem; not my favorite island, though it is the island I'm from. It also has an ancient presence of Latin in it's Spanish influence, I hear it all the time, and laugh because the natives (I'm half - basically a mestizo, e.g. Mexican) so bent on their unique language.
I was raised in Hawaii, so my favorite island is Hawaii. Sicily my 2nd favorite island as I am a Marsala-phile - whereas my construction company is Roma Construction & my real estate firm is AO Marsala.
Here's the Google translation:
Mother magnificent eternal,
dearest Mother
so many of the laws, languages, learning, and,
many roads, water, buildings
to have permanent;
Rome, salute you.

Whether Gemini or Troy aufugientibus
you condiderint
neither know nor care
We honor your white luster,
The paths will lead us,
many foundations are laid.

Your model of governance
nations unknown to you
given; Your exceptional strength
example
by Millennia remains.

Victor kindness shown
spared yielded
While many important countries Vicens
developed world have added
language of your life
posterity streets.
 
Vale, et valete!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95159 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Website Access
Salvete!

I've been unable to access novaroma.org for more than a day.  I receive this message when I try: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95160 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Cn. Lentulus C. Quadrato s. p. d.

The webmaster, magister aranearius, who is responsible for the website is M. Pompeius Caninus, our current sole consul. But Cn. Iulius Caesar has also technical access to the NR website. I think any of the these two people must know what is going on.

Vale!
Lentulus


Da: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

I've been unable to access novaroma.org for more than a day.  I receive this message when I try: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95161 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Ave,

Caesar and I have emailed Caninus and Frederik about this - yesterday.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95162 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Caesar Lentulo sal.

Sadly I, like everyone else , am totally in the dark as to the reason. As Sulla has said - we have emailed the consul and the chap who hosts the NR web tools. We know the censura works, so clearly this is just an issue related to the webpage/wiki. 

I researched the error message via Google and there could be a number of reasons for it, none of which I can fix. Caninus may, or our provider, but I simply don't have the requisite access or technical expertise to resolve this. Besides, Caninus as consul and webmaster, needs to drive this.

Optime vale


From: "'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Lentulus C. Quadrato s. p. d.

The webmaster, magister aranearius, who is responsible for the website is M. Pompeius Caninus, our current sole consul. But Cn. Iulius Caesar has also technical access to the NR website. I think any of the these two people must know what is going on.

Vale!
Lentulus


Da: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

I've been unable to access novaroma.org for more than a day.  I receive this message when I try: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95163 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Salvete!

Yesterday, the Wiki was out but the censura worked in the morning.  Now the censura doesn't work either.

Valete!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:10:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Website Access

 

Caesar Lentulo sal.

Sadly I, like everyone else , am totally in the dark as to the reason. As Sulla has said - we have emailed the consul and the chap who hosts the NR web tools. We know the censura works, so clearly this is just an issue related to the webpage/wiki. 

I researched the error message via Google and there could be a number of reasons for it, none of which I can fix. Caninus may, or our provider, but I simply don't have the requisite access or technical expertise to resolve this. Besides, Caninus as consul and webmaster, needs to drive this.

Optime vale


From: "'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Lentulus C. Quadrato s. p. d.

The webmaster, magister aranearius, who is responsible for the website is M. Pompeius Caninus, our current sole consul. But Cn. Iulius Caesar has also technical access to the NR website. I think any of the these two people must know what is going on.

Vale!
Lentulus


Da: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

I've been unable to access novaroma.org for more than a day.  I receive this message when I try: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95164 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Caesar sal.

Yes, seems the censura has gone down too, plus the home page of the provider himself.

Optime valete


From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

Yesterday, the Wiki was out but the censura worked in the morning.  Now the censura doesn't work either.

Valete!
Quadratus




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:10:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Website Access

 

Caesar Lentulo sal.

Sadly I, like everyone else , am totally in the dark as to the reason. As Sulla has said - we have emailed the consul and the chap who hosts the NR web tools. We know the censura works, so clearly this is just an issue related to the webpage/wiki. 

I researched the error message via Google and there could be a number of reasons for it, none of which I can fix. Caninus may, or our provider, but I simply don't have the requisite access or technical expertise to resolve this. Besides, Caninus as consul and webmaster, needs to drive this.

Optime vale


From: "'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Lentulus C. Quadrato s. p. d.

The webmaster, magister aranearius, who is responsible for the website is M. Pompeius Caninus, our current sole consul. But Cn. Iulius Caesar has also technical access to the NR website. I think any of the these two people must know what is going on.

Vale!
Lentulus


Da: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

I've been unable to access novaroma.org for more than a day.  I receive this message when I try: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Valete!

C. Claudius Quadratus







Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95165 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis sal.  

 

TM.Quadra AT.Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
My dear sheri, it (Guam) was my 2nd favorite word in your poem;

Mon cher Quadra, hoc bene intellego.  

not my favorite island, though it is the island I'm from. It also has an ancient presence of Latin in it's Spanish influence, I hear it all the time, and laugh because the natives (I'm half - basically a mestizo, e.g. Mexican) so bent on their unique language.

Well, it's where you live.  Obiter, most, if not all, Latin-Americans are mestizos (not just Mexicans).  Spaniards are Europeans (duh!) who do not have that mixture.  Maybe some other one(s)


I was raised in Hawaii, so my favorite island is Hawaii. Sicily my 2nd favorite island

Shouldn't Guam be in there somewhere?  Maybe silver medalist?  And doesn't Hawaii consist of more than one island?  


as I am a Marsala-phile - whereas my construction company is Roma Construction & my real estate firm is AO Marsala.
Here's the Google translation:

Thanks for that.  It is gratifying to know that Google flunked Latin Grammar 101; several of the agreements are off, and even the personal ending of several verbs are untranslated.  Sad, but amusing.  At least the first two lines (all nominatives / vocatives) are correct...

Mother magnificent eternal,
dearest Mother
so many of the laws, languages, learning, and,
many roads, water, buildings
to have permanent;
Rome, salute you.

'water' is plural in the Latin, and has a rather specific meaning…nothing about having 'permanent' there.  A very simple verb ending is missing.  


Whether Gemini or Troy aufugientibus

Google never heard of the present participle, or of a certain pair of twins, not just a constellation?  Tsk, tsk. 


you condiderint

No perfect subjunctives of common verbs, either?  


neither know nor care
We honor your white luster,

'candens' is another present participle--in the nominative, NOT the accusative, so cannot be the direct object.  Add that Google got the agreement wrong, and mistranslated the relevant noun.   


The paths will lead us,

Wrong verb tense; pronominal adjective left untranslated.


many foundations are laid.

Pronominal adjective untranslated; 'many' is not in the text, and the verb is in the wrong tense and voice.  Add that the subject, a pronoun, is not translated.  


Your model of governance
nations unknown to you
given; Your exceptional strength
example
by Millennia remains.

Another wrong verb ending, misconstrued indirect object, abstract noun mistranslated, case of concrete noun incorrectly translated, preposition 'per' mistranslated, resulting in mistranslation of 'millennia.' 


Victor kindness shown

No victors here, and wrong verb ending on  'shown;' 'kindness' is in the wrong case, and not quite the proper translation.  


spared yielded

wrong forms on that 'yielded,' which has better translations

While many important countries Vicens

Another present participle utterly unknown…wrong case on those countries, whose modifying adjectives are not quite what Google thinks.  


developed world have added

wrong case on that 'world,' and missing verbal ending.  Temporal adverb untranslated.  


language of your life

No 'life' here…


posterity streets.

No 'streets' either, and wrong case on 'posterity,' which is the DO. Overall grade:  D- to F.  Google, please consult A&G or G&GL or even Henle; you really need to brush up on your Latin grammar.  Some visitation to the Lexicon Oxoniense might also be beneficial.  Not understanding 'dum,' 'aufugientibus,' 'condiderint,' and even the likes of 'gemini…!' Not recognizing the simple personal endings!  For shame!  

 
Vale, et valete!



Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Vale, et valete!  



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95166 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Salve, Scholastica!

Your grading is much too generous Emoji

Vale!
Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis sal.  

 

TM.Quadra AT.Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
My dear sheri, it (Guam) was my 2nd favorite word in your poem;

Mon cher Quadra, hoc bene intellego.  

not my favorite island, though it is the island I'm from. It also has an ancient presence of Latin in it's Spanish influence, I hear it all the time, and laugh because the natives (I'm half - basically a mestizo, e.g. Mexican) so bent on their unique language.

Well, it's where you live.  Obiter, most, if not all, Latin-Americans are mestizos (not just Mexicans).  Spaniards are Europeans (duh!) who do not have that mixture.  Maybe some other one(s)…


I was raised in Hawaii, so my favorite island is Hawaii. Sicily my 2nd favorite island

Shouldn't Guam be in there somewhere?  Maybe silver medalist?  And doesn't Hawaii consist of more than one island?  


as I am a Marsala-phile - whereas my construction company is Roma Construction & my real estate firm is AO Marsala.
Here's the Google translation:

Thanks for that.  It is gratifying to know that Google flunked Latin Grammar 101; several of the agreements are off, and even the personal ending of several verbs are untranslated.  Sad, but amusing.  At least the first two lines (all nominatives / vocatives) are correct...

Mother magnificent eternal,
dearest Mother
so many of the laws, languages, learning, and,
many roads, water, buildings
to have permanent;
Rome, salute you.

'water' is plural in the Latin, and has a rather specific meaning…nothing about having 'permanent' there.  A very simple verb ending is missing.  


Whether Gemini or Troy aufugientibus

Google never heard of the present participle, or of a certain pair of twins, not just a constellation?  Tsk, tsk. 


you condiderint

No perfect subjunctives of common verbs, either?  


neither know nor care
We honor your white luster,

'candens' is another present participle--in the nominative, NOT the accusative, so cannot be the direct object.  Add that Google got the agreement wrong, and mistranslated the relevant noun.   


The paths will lead us,

Wrong verb tense; pronominal adjective left untranslated.


many foundations are laid.

Pronominal adjective untranslated; 'many' is not in the text, and the verb is in the wrong tense and voice.  Add that the subject, a pronoun, is not translated.  


Your model of governance
nations unknown to you
given; Your exceptional strength
example
by Millennia remains.

Another wrong verb ending, misconstrued indirect object, abstract noun mistranslated, case of concrete noun incorrectly translated, preposition 'per' mistranslated, resulting in mistranslation of 'millennia.' 


Victor kindness shown

No victors here, and wrong verb ending on  'shown;' 'kindness' is in the wrong case, and not quite the proper translation.  


spared yielded

wrong forms on that 'yielded,' which has better translations

While many important countries Vicens

Another present participle utterly unknown…wrong case on those countries, whose modifying adjectives are not quite what Google thinks.  


developed world have added

wrong case on that 'world,' and missing verbal ending.  Temporal adverb untranslated.  


language of your life

No 'life' here…


posterity streets.

No 'streets' either, and wrong case on 'posterity,' which is the DO. Overall grade:  D- to F.  Google, please consult A&G or G&GL or even Henle; you really need to brush up on your Latin grammar.  Some visitation to the Lexicon Oxoniense might also be beneficial.  Not understanding 'dum,' 'aufugientibus,' 'condiderint,' and even the likes of 'gemini…!' Not recognizing the simple personal endings!  For shame!  

 
Vale, et valete!



Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Vale, et valete!  



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor








Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95167 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine

Salve Magistra et Salvete omnes!

 

It is somewhat comforting to see that Google is even more incompetent then I am in Latin!

 

Vale et valete bene!

 

C. Maria Caeca, laughing at herself

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95168 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
 Scholastica Quadrato S.P.D. 

 

Salve, Scholastica!

Your grading is much too generous Emoji

Quite possibly.  Almost all of the elementary Grammatica students manage to get the personal endings correct, and many get the agreements, too.  In the Sermo classes, however, we use a European sort of system, in which 40 is passing and every little error gets a point deduction from the three allocated to each response…Google did get a lot of the meanings correct, but badly flunked grammar.   My Spanish-speaking students say that it does not do well with their language, either, although Spanish lacks declensions and other helpful grammatical categories.  

Assuming 40 as passing, Google might have made it...


Vale!
Quadratus

Valé!  




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis sal.  

 

TM.Quadra AT.Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
My dear sheri, it (Guam) was my 2nd favorite word in your poem;

Mon cher Quadra, hoc bene intellego.  

not my favorite island, though it is the island I'm from. It also has an ancient presence of Latin in it's Spanish influence, I hear it all the time, and laugh because the natives (I'm half - basically a mestizo, e.g. Mexican) so bent on their unique language.

Well, it's where you live.  Obiter, most, if not all, Latin-Americans are mestizos (not just Mexicans).  Spaniards are Europeans (duh!) who do not have that mixture.  Maybe some other one(s)


I was raised in Hawaii, so my favorite island is Hawaii. Sicily my 2nd favorite island

Shouldn't Guam be in there somewhere?  Maybe silver medalist?  And doesn't Hawaii consist of more than one island?  


as I am a Marsala-phile - whereas my construction company is Roma Construction & my real estate firm is AO Marsala.
Here's the Google translation:

Thanks for that.  It is gratifying to know that Google flunked Latin Grammar 101; several of the agreements are off, and even the personal ending of several verbs are untranslated.  Sad, but amusing.  At least the first two lines (all nominatives / vocatives) are correct...

Mother magnificent eternal,
dearest Mother
so many of the laws, languages, learning, and,
many roads, water, buildings
to have permanent;
Rome, salute you.

'water' is plural in the Latin, and has a rather specific meaning…nothing about having 'permanent' there.  A very simple verb ending is missing.  


Whether Gemini or Troy aufugientibus

Google never heard of the present participle, or of a certain pair of twins, not just a constellation?  Tsk, tsk. 


you condiderint

No perfect subjunctives of common verbs, either?  


neither know nor care
We honor your white luster,

'candens' is another present participle--in the nominative, NOT the accusative, so cannot be the direct object.  Add that Google got the agreement wrong, and mistranslated the relevant noun.   


The paths will lead us,

Wrong verb tense; pronominal adjective left untranslated.


many foundations are laid.

Pronominal adjective untranslated; 'many' is not in the text, and the verb is in the wrong tense and voice.  Add that the subject, a pronoun, is not translated.  


Your model of governance
nations unknown to you
given; Your exceptional strength
example
by Millennia remains.

Another wrong verb ending, misconstrued indirect object, abstract noun mistranslated, case of concrete noun incorrectly translated, preposition 'per' mistranslated, resulting in mistranslation of 'millennia.' 


Victor kindness shown

No victors here, and wrong verb ending on  'shown;' 'kindness' is in the wrong case, and not quite the proper translation.  


spared yielded

wrong forms on that 'yielded,' which has better translations

While many important countries Vicens

Another present participle utterly unknown…wrong case on those countries, whose modifying adjectives are not quite what Google thinks.  


developed world have added

wrong case on that 'world,' and missing verbal ending.  Temporal adverb untranslated.  


language of your life

No 'life' here…


posterity streets.

No 'streets' either, and wrong case on 'posterity,' which is the DO. Overall grade:  D- to F.  Google, please consult A&G or G&GL or even Henle; you really need to brush up on your Latin grammar.  Some visitation to the Lexicon Oxoniense might also be beneficial.  Not understanding 'dum,' 'aufugientibus,' 'condiderint,' and even the likes of 'gemini…!' Not recognizing the simple personal endings!  For shame!  

 
Vale, et valete!



Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Vale, et valete!  



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor








Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95169 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Salve Scholasticae,
Yes, Guam is there but more like Purgatory compared to Hawaii (Oahu) "heaven" based on Guam's relentless heat, quarterly/biannual typhoons, corruption, nepotism, and general inability to serve the general masses' needs & quality of life activities resources etc. For example, a confusing bus service compared to Oahu's nation's best bus system, numerous senators & mayors (15/19+/-) but only two village swimming pools, dogs ruling the streets, and so many pot holes, I've come to call them speed bumps, thus serving a purpose.
As to the Google botched translation, maybe you can check it out. There's a tab called "Wrong" that you can make corrections. Also suggest to them they change the voice on the "listen" tab. The voice doesn't sound natural; too ... obnoxious.
Vale,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis sal.  

 
TM.Quadra AT.Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
My dear sheri, it (Guam) was my 2nd favorite word in your poem;

Mon cher Quadra, hoc bene intellego.  

not my favorite island, though it is the island I'm from. It also has an ancient presence of Latin in it's Spanish influence, I hear it all the time, and laugh because the natives (I'm half - basically a mestizo, e.g. Mexican) so bent on their unique language.

Well, it's where you live.  Obiter, most, if not all, Latin-Americans are mestizos (not just Mexicans).  Spaniards are Europeans (duh!) who do not have that mixture.  Maybe some other one(s)…


I was raised in Hawaii, so my favorite island is Hawaii. Sicily my 2nd favorite island

Shouldn't Guam be in there somewhere?  Maybe silver medalist?  And doesn't Hawaii consist of more than one island?  


as I am a Marsala-phile - whereas my construction company is Roma Construction & my real estate firm is AO Marsala.
Here's the Google translation:

Thanks for that.  It is gratifying to know that Google flunked Latin Grammar 101; several of the agreements are off, and even the personal ending of several verbs are untranslated.  Sad, but amusing.  At least the first two lines (all nominatives / vocatives) are correct...

Mother magnificent eternal,
dearest Mother
so many of the laws, languages, learning, and,
many roads, water, buildings
to have permanent;
Rome, salute you.

'water' is plural in the Latin, and has a rather specific meaning…nothing about having 'permanent' there.  A very simple verb ending is missing.  


Whether Gemini or Troy aufugientibus

Google never heard of the present participle, or of a certain pair of twins, not just a constellation?  Tsk, tsk. 


you condiderint

No perfect subjunctives of common verbs, either?  


neither know nor care
We honor your white luster,

'candens' is another present participle--in the nominative, NOT the accusative, so cannot be the direct object.  Add that Google got the agreement wrong, and mistranslated the relevant noun.   


The paths will lead us,

Wrong verb tense; pronominal adjective left untranslated.


many foundations are laid.

Pronominal adjective untranslated; 'many' is not in the text, and the verb is in the wrong tense and voice.  Add that the subject, a pronoun, is not translated.  


Your model of governance
nations unknown to you
given; Your exceptional strength
example
by Millennia remains.

Another wrong verb ending, misconstrued indirect object, abstract noun mistranslated, case of concrete noun incorrectly translated, preposition 'per' mistranslated, resulting in mistranslation of 'millennia.' 


Victor kindness shown

No victors here, and wrong verb ending on  'shown;' 'kindness' is in the wrong case, and not quite the proper translation.  


spared yielded

wrong forms on that 'yielded,' which has better translations

While many important countries Vicens

Another present participle utterly unknown…wrong case on those countries, whose modifying adjectives are not quite what Google thinks.  


developed world have added

wrong case on that 'world,' and missing verbal ending.  Temporal adverb untranslated.  


language of your life

No 'life' here…


posterity streets.

No 'streets' either, and wrong case on 'posterity,' which is the DO. Overall grade:  D- to F.  Google, please consult A&G or G&GL or even Henle; you really need to brush up on your Latin grammar.  Some visitation to the Lexicon Oxoniense might also be beneficial.  Not understanding 'dum,' 'aufugientibus,' 'condiderint,' and even the likes of 'gemini…!' Not recognizing the simple personal endings!  For shame!  

 
Vale, et valete!



Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Vale, et valete!  



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
TM.Quadra A.T.Scholasticae C.C.Quadrato salutem plurimam dicit,
Other than the word Roma, my favorite word in the winning poem is linguamque (vidi "guam").

That may be, but linguistically speaking, 'guam' is not a separable morpheme in Latin; its last two letters mark the accusative singular case of a first-declension feminine noun, 'lingua,' which means 'language, tongue.'   Your favorite island likely was unknown to the Romans; not sure if it has a Latin name.  I couldn't find any listing in my larger English-Latin dictionary, which has a good geographical index.  

Nice poem, even though I don't understand it yet; and I read it aloud.

Bene!  It sounds pretty good in Latin, but less artistic in English.  If you are interested in a translation, I cobbled one together and sent it to a respondent to the original post; said respondent shall remain nameless in the interest of avoiding bombardment by the unfortunates among us who have not yet assimilated to the dominant culture and learnt the local language, which is called 'Latin.'  Too, there is an outfit called 'Google,' which might help, but their talents at such matters are not so great as they believe, and are particularly lacking with regard to Latin, even when prose.  Poetry probably would confound them even more.  

As an entrant in the 'Ipse Dixit' certamen, you should be able to manage to understand this with a bit of assistance from a mid-sized Latin dictionary, free from the need to visit Google...


Tiberius Marcius Quadra

Valé, et valéte! 



From: "' A. Tullia Scholastica' fororom@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato optimo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 
Salvete!

Congratulations, Scholastica.

Gratias quam plurimas!  

 Your opus is a beautiful contribution to the annals of Nova Roma.  You have well earned your prize.

Again, thank you very, very much.  Please see my subsequent post...


Valete!
Quadratus

Vale, et valete!



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De poetico Latino certamine

 

 To all citizens and sympathizers of Nova Roma,
 I, scribe Scribonius Nasica, announce on behalf of  praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the winner for the Latin  poetic contest is : Tullia Scholastica.
The reasons for the choice of this poem, among the presented  ones, according to the jury, are : clarity, simplicity, clear message  of indisputable builder quality of Rome for European and non-European nations, besides the beauty of the expressed images.
Upon the recommendation of the Praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor, the text is made public, so that you can read below:

" Mater magnifica sempiterna, 
carissima genetrix 
tot legum, linguarum, litterarum;
tot viarum, aquarum, aedificiorum
ad nos permanentium; 
Roma, te salutamus. 

Utrum gemini an Trojá aufugientes
te condiderint
nec scimus nec curamus;
gloria tua candens nos illustrat, 
semitae tuae nos ducunt,
quicumque fundamina tua jecit. 

Regimen tuum exemplar
nationibus tibi ignotis
dedisti; fortitudo tua eximia
omnibus exemplum 
per millennia manet.

Etiam victis misericordiam ostendisti; 
pepercerunt milites se dedentibus 
dum multas magnasque terras vicens
mundo exculto addidisti
linguamque tuam aeternam 
posteritatem docuisti. "

The jury  has expressed joy and thanks to Tullia Scholastica and expresses the wish that this poem can be placed on the website of Nova Roma and  can be recited before each meeting of Nova Roma in memory of "matris communis nostrae".
Valete optime
Nasica scribe  on behalf of praetor Sextus Lucilius Tutor






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95170 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: De poetico Latino certamine
Ave, Maria, gratia plena!  

 

Salve Magistra et Salvete omnes!

 

It is somewhat comforting to see that Google is even more incompetent then I am in Latin!


O Caeca, you are NOT incompetent at Latin!  You did quite well as far as you went--but kept getting interrupted by these accidents and hospitalizations and (what was it--five?) surgeries and such

Now Google is another matter.  Google is quite incompetent.  They ought to be ashamed of themselves, and require all programmers to pass reading examinations in at least two non-native languages (cyber ones don't count).  What worked for law school and med school (and all normal doctorates in the humanities, perhaps the sciences) should also work for programming school...

 

Vale et valete bene!


Vale, et valete bene!  

 

C. Maria Caeca, laughing at herself


Ah, but you should laugh at Google, a truly ROFL situation!  

ATS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95171 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Caninus sal.

Both Caesar and I have emailed Fredrik, attempting to alert him to the problem. But his web site is having issues and his email may be down. I phoned him twice but he did not answer. I will continue to phone him. It is fairly likely that he has been away for the weekend and does not yet know there is a problem. 

Fredrik seems to be having a problem in his hosting infrastructure. The MySQL database that houses the content of the Nova Roma wiki went down yesterday. The PostgreSQL database that houses the Censura data is not accepting logins today. The servers for these databases are up but are not accepting new connections. So, this is not a power failure like we have experienced in the past. This is more likely a technical issue like a bad software update or a security patch that has disrupted the services running on Fredrik's network. 

Bene valete.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95172 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Caesar Canino sal.

I notice that on the splash page Fredrik has added a new feature from beyondsecurity DOT com. This is a network management tool. I wonder if that is the cause of the issue.

Optime vale


From: "'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Caninus sal.

Both Caesar and I have emailed Fredrik, attempting to alert him to the problem. But his web site is having issues and his email may be down. I phoned him twice but he did not answer. I will continue to phone him. It is fairly likely that he has been away for the weekend and does not yet know there is a problem. 

Fredrik seems to be having a problem in his hosting infrastructure. The MySQL database that houses the content of the Nova Roma wiki went down yesterday. The PostgreSQL database that houses the Censura data is not accepting logins today. The servers for these databases are up but are not accepting new connections. So, this is not a power failure like we have experienced in the past. This is more likely a technical issue like a bad software update or a security patch that has disrupted the services running on Fredrik's network. 

Bene valete.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95173 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Re: Website Access
Salve,
I am very worries about Nova Roma website... Can we lose everything?
Vale,
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
praetor

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95174 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-19
Subject: Website is Back
Salvete!

The website is back and seems to be functioning normally.

Valete!
Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95175 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Ave,

We possible could lose some information.

What we really need to do is to finish the process to move the server from Sweden to GoDaddy since we are paying them every month.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95176 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Tut
Ave,

Is anyone watching the Tut miniseries on cable?  What do you think about it?

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95177 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Tut
Salve, Sulla

I am. I won't be able to watch part 2 & 3 when they premiere but so far, Avan Jogia is doing better than I expected. I also know the minimal facts about Tut. So far I'm enjoying it, seems a little rushed but I'm okay with that. I rather it be rushed then wait around for it to get to the point. Still, I think if HBO or Starz did it, it would be more in depth.

Vale,
Macra



------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95178 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Actually, I added that about eight months ago.

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95179 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-20
Subject: Re: Website Access
Caesar Canino sal.

Ah well my bookmark is to the main page so before the "crash" I hadn't accessed the splash page for obviously over 8 months :)

Optime vale


From: "'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Actually, I added that about eight months ago.

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
 
 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95180 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-21
Subject: More podcasts
Ave,

Yes yes, I have more podcasts. LOL

Since I still am limited but what I can do I try to kill alot of time listening to these podcasts and the ones I send here are the most fascinating and relevant ones!

The one I am listening to is the British History Podcast.  I just got to the part where Rome left England and the "Dark Ages" are settling over the island.


I have also have just started listening to the myths and history of Greece and Rome.  


I am up to the early Greek myths.  

I will be having more podcasts posted soon but these are extremely interesting and entertaining!  The British podcast narrator, Jaime is very very entertaining!

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95181 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: Venator's long abscense
Salve Venator,

Only now I have caught with my emails and saw this news amice. I'm very glad it was discovered in time and you are in my thoughts and prayers for the full recovery. May the Roman and Norse Gods guide you to health amice.

Vale optime,
Crassus 

Em dom, 14 de jun de 2015 às 17:35, SP Robinson p.ullerius.stephanus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95182 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - CHARIOT RACE - Semifinal
Salvete,

What a disgrace of race from my chariot! I think I will have to have a very serious talk with both my drivers, one thing is to loose other is to give up or being with the head on the moon.

Go RUSSATA!!

Crassus

Em seg, 13 de jul de 2015 às 16:47, ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95183 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES - VIRTUAL CHARIOT RACE - Final
Salvete,

GO RUSSATA!!!!!

Great race!! Thanks to the Praetura and to Censor Placidus for these races.

Valete optime,
Crassus

Em ter, 14 de jul de 2015 às 02:13, ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95184 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-07-23
Subject: Update
Salvete amice,

I'm too have been somewhat absent and given my past events I wanted only to check in and say I'm fine. First it was the returning to work with a lot of catching up (it was more than 2 months on sick leave) and unfortunately I had a small pneumotorax that sent me more 3 days to the Hospital but since it was just for observation it was a ride on the park comparing with the previous ones.It solved by itself and I'm back both to home and work but now taking the recovery more slowly to avoid new occurrences.

The higher downside was that I'm forbidden to fly for sometime and I had a trip to Rome with my wife schedule for this time. Well it seems it won't be this year I will finally see Roma.

Valete optime,
Crassus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95185 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Roman game on Sale
Ave!

I just found out that on Steam the Roman subject game called Praetorian is on sale.


The amount for the game is $0.74.  Yep, less than a dollar!  That's 85% off!

Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95186 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
Salvete,
Thanks for the games. That was fun.
Congratulations Quadratus!
I may not have won, but I bought the book!!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE

Thank you to everybody who participated in this 8th Edition of Ipse Dixit quiz created by P. Annaeus Placidus. It is now closed, and results are following.

Remember, I will donate a prize to the winner:



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95187 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: AMSR - Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman game on Sale
Salvete,
A MUST SEE REPORT
Consider this recognizance for our Roman Empire.
My being at the door of Asia, I see practically first hand how the Chinese operate, so I want to share why they seem to dominate certain markets; particular real estate where I could assess that there is a dominant presence of Chinese (or Asian) developers, building owners making my European brethren seem like mere paupers, dare I say it, dumpster divers, white trash... NOOOOO!
Deus Mars, please give me the wisdom to bring back my Roman people's talent & quest to build in this corner of Earth. For starters, I need help laying rebar and cinder block.
Here's the finding: there is a Chinese game called "GO." The name of the game is to dominate the space on a game board.
I recommend checking it out, as a universal game, a possible Roman game adoption.
Valete,
 Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave!

I just found out that on Steam the Roman subject game called Praetorian is on sale.


The amount for the game is $0.74.  Yep, less than a dollar!  That's 85% off!

Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95188 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-24
Subject: Re: LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS
Salve, Quadra!

Gratias tibi ago.  I look forward to studying that book. 

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:54:16 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI APOLLINARES IPSE DIXIT QUIZ - RESULTS

 

Salvete,
Thanks for the games. That was fun.
Congratulations Quadratus!
I may not have won, but I bought the book!!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE

Thank you to everybody who participated in this 8th Edition of Ipse Dixit quiz created by P. Annaeus Placidus. It is now closed, and results are following.

Remember, I will donate a prize to the winner:




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95189 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-25
Subject: Fyi Conversation update
Avete Omnes,

There is an ongoing conversation on the Back Alley regarding NR's website and tools surrounding it.  If anyone is interested in joining the discussion, but are not on the list, please feel free to send an email to be added:


Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95190 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Day of rememberance
Caninus quiritibus in foro sal.

This is a non-official announcement:

Today we remember our departed friend Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.


requiescat in pace

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95191 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Re: Day of rememberance
Cn. Lentulus quaestor M. Pompeio consuli omnibusque sal.

This day would be 58th birthday... I miss Paulinus sorely... Let's remember him with the best of memories!

Requiescat in pace!

Cn. Lentulus, your quaestor
pontifex, sacerdos Concordiae
praefectus Italiae, leg. pr. pr. Pannoniae


Da: "'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Caninus quiritibus in foro sal.

This is a non-official announcement:

Today we remember our departed friend Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.


requiescat in pace

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95192 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Re: Day of rememberance

Salve Canine Consul et Salvete Omnes!

 

Yes.  Paulinus was an exemplary Roman, a dedicated Magistrate (often), an ideal Roman Republican, and a wonderful, kind and supportive friend.  May he be at peace, now, and may his shade continue to protect Nova Roma.

 

Vale et valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca, Virgo Vestalis Maxima

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95193 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-28
Subject: Palmyra article
Ave,

Mike Duncan, the voice of the History of Rome Podcast, published this article about Palmyra given the destruction that is going on over there by ISIS.  I hope you enjoy this article as I did.


Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95194 From: Anthony Okojie Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Need your approval
i will like to start sending messages to all member of the group and will like your approval towards this.

Thanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95195 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Salve,
What messages will you send? Please describe.
-- 
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor
(MODERATOR)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95196 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Can we get to know ourselves
please comment your country and your Nova Roma choice name..... Let get to know ourselves


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95197 From: Anthony Okojie Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
i will like to get to know the present citizens and the countries they came from...and maybe there Nova Roma names too..

Thanks



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:50 AM, "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,
What messages will you send? Please describe.
-- 
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor
(MODERATOR)


On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Anthony Okojie antondude007@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95198 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Salve,
My country is Czech Republic, my Roman name is Sextus Lucilius Tutor.
Why you joined Nova Roma?
Vale,
-- 
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, antondude007@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95199 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
I joined  because i wanna know more about the rich culture of Rome and to impact positively to building a great and better nation where people will have freedom and live in harmony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95200 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
My name is Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus. I am one of the current Censors in Nova Roma and I am from Italy - middle Italy, Abruzzo, to be precise.

I joined Nova Roma more than twelve years ago out of my long-standing fascination towards the history and the culture of Ancient Rome, which is one of my favourite historical eras.

I have chosen my name for three reasons, listed below.
Publius Annæus: after Seneca, my favourite Roman philosopher.
Constantinus: chosen immediately after I subscribed as all Italians were joining the so-called Familia Constantinia. I was later informed that Constantinus was not historically correct as a nomen, so I changed it.
Placidus: this means "quiet" and mirrors exactly what I am. I am a quiet guy who does not like fighting or even just arguing with anybody and I never get really angry about anything.

Optime valete omnes,
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95201 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Salve,
I don't have any problem to tell you my roman name and my country but I would like yours too.
Vale



El Miércoles 29 de julio de 2015 10:58, "antondude007@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
I joined  because i wanna know more about the rich culture of Rome and to impact positively to building a great and better nation where people will have freedom and live in harmony


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95202 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: A long time away

Salvete Omnibus,

I've been away a very long time, and I originally left simply because the political atmosphere during my stay wasn't to my liking. Maybe a bit petty, I suppose, but I felt it wasn't the right time for me to take part in Nova Roma.


So I return to see this. My beloved Nova Roma in the decline. We can't have that. So I will do what I can to help Nova Roma and I will do what I can to make Rome grow. We must adapt, we must bring the future kicking and screaming to us, and we will conquer our destiny. I've paid my taxes, and am now going over the law. I have a lot of reading to do.


It's good to be home.


Valete optime,

Numerius Apollonius Quadratus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95203 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Salvete,
I am Numerius Apollonius Quadratus. The country I come from is the USA. Getting to know each other, hm. It's difficult to talk about myself with so little a prompt. I joined Nova Roma half as a whim, the other half I suppose because I felt drawn to it in a way. I've always loved the classical world, and yet I've always stopped at Rome. Their engineering feats, their military capabilities, their love of order, and their language.

I feel like Nova Roma can offer us a new way of life. Something traditional and innovative at the same time. It falls on us to breath such life into it. I plan to explore the depths of this fusion of the old with the new.

What about you, mi amice. What is the answer to your own question?

Valete optime,
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95204 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: A long time away
Salve, Quadrate!

From one Quadratus to another, Hello!  Too bad we live so far apart - if we ever met for coffee, I'd bring my daughter Quadrata Feles.  Anyone overhearing our conversation would really be confused Emoji

Vale!
C. Claudius Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A long time away

 

Salvete Omnibus,
I've been away a very long time, and I originally left simply because the political atmosphere during my stay wasn't to my liking. Maybe a bit petty, I suppose, but I felt it wasn't the right time for me to take part in Nova Roma.


So I return to see this. My beloved Nova Roma in the decline. We can't have that. So I will do what I can to help Nova Roma and I will do what I can to make Rome grow. We must adapt, we must bring the future kicking and screaming to us, and we will conquer our destiny. I've paid my taxes, and am now going over the law. I have a lot of reading to do.


It's good to be home.


Valete optime,
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95205 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: A long time away
Salve, C. Cladi.

If I have my way, no one will be confused by our conversation. We have a lot of work to do, mi amice.

Vale, and for Rome.
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95206 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Ave,

I have several questions.

Who are you, and are you a member in good standing in Nova Roma?

What kind of messages do you intend to send, and for what purpose?

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus

Legatus pro Praetore, Province of Texia



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:53 AM, "Anthony Okojie antondude007@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
i will like to get to know the present citizens and the countries they came from...and maybe there Nova Roma names too..

Thanks



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:50 AM, "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,
What messages will you send? Please describe.
-- 
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor
(MODERATOR)


On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Anthony Okojie antondude007@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95207 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Salve Numerius Apollonius Quadratus,
Nice name; I feel a common with the Pope with the Roman name choices.
The other Quadratus here in Nova Roma is very good in Latin language etc.
I am a descendant of Mars from the beginning of time and eternaly, and of Marcius IV the forth king of Rome circa 642.
Currently, father Mars & the gods (as well as Jesus Christ) have placed me in Guam USA I suppose to grow the Roman influence as we, at the door to Asia, are pretty much bombarded by hard working albeit domineering Orientals (think, what would Donald Trump do [to balance the populace]?). There is quite a Roman influence here in both language & building ~ the world knows (can't deny it) good taste.
I have, as a Nova-Roman since 2003 and from the influence of other Romans herein, quite a collection of Roman-Latin literature, Roman calendars, and even an ancient Roman coin.
Enjoy Nova Roma & it's many offerings!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
further naming myself on occasion:
(Augustus Caesar) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Nero Romano Germanicus)


From: "numeriusapollonius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete,
I am Numerius Apollonius Quadratus. The country I come from is the USA. Getting to know each other, hm. It's difficult to talk about myself with so little a prompt. I joined Nova Roma half as a whim, the other half I suppose because I felt drawn to it in a way. I've always loved the classical world, and yet I've always stopped at Rome. Their engineering feats, their military capabilities, their love of order, and their language.

I feel like Nova Roma can offer us a new way of life. Something traditional and innovative at the same time. It falls on us to breath such life into it. I plan to explore the depths of this fusion of the old with the new.

What about you, mi amice. What is the answer to your own question?

Valete optime,
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95208 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves
Quintus Fabius Maximus, Patrician  Hollywood, CA USA.  I joined Nova Roma because I met Joe Bloch at a gaming convention and he told me about this pipe dream. Like most pipe dreams it sounded good especially the renewal of the pact with the Gods, but I assumed it would go nowhere. Several years later in 1998 I was on Dr. Bishop's Arma (Roman armor) site when a acquaintance of mine  Maria, from IX Hispania- HQd in San Diego Ca, told me via IM about this micro nation, Nova Roma.  Since I minored in Roman Law and Roman Political systems with an interest in Roman civilization I checked it out.  I found out it was Bloch's pipe dream!  I joined and have been a tax paying citizen ever since.
  
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/29/2015 1:51:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95209 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus s. p. d.

I am announcing to you, Quirites, that the annual NR Summer Camp in Pannonia will be held between August 2-9 in Pannonia, Regio Rostallonensis in the Zemplén Mountains, Rostallo. The theme of the camp will be Traianus, there will be lectures about him and his period in Roman history. The focus of activity will be legionary exercises of the NR legion "Cohors VI Carpathica", mock battles, mountain tours, rituals, a gladiator show, gastronomy, and also workshops with manufacturing Roman artifacts, pottery, and a Roman music workshop.

At the official opening, in my capacity as pontifex of Nova Roma, quaestor, and also as governor of the area, I will conduct a Roman sacrifice, and in order to make it inclusive to as many NR citizens as possible, I will include by name all citizens who contact me and request that the ceremony be performed in their benefit, too. The text of the ritual will contain resquests for the health, well-being and success in all the endeavors of NR and the citizens mentioned in the ritual (those who contact me giving their names). Please contact me until August 2.

Also, before the end of the summer camp, I will travel to Rome, Italy (so sadly I can not be with our assembled citizens in the last day of the camp). In Rome I will investigate the possibilities to organize the VIIth International Conventus of Nova Roma next year. We did not have an international grand convention since 2008, and as praefectus Italiae it is my intention to report my findings to the aediles (they are traditionally the magistrates in NR in charge of deciding the location), and to initiate the process to arrange the next Conventus Novae Romae in Rome, during the great Parilia festival, birthday of Rome, which is a city level event in Rome with Roman reenactors and cultural organizations assembling from all over the world. 

Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, quaestor, pontifex
legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95210 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: We are dying.
Salvete,

We reach the mid-point of this week and not much left of the week to do work. So one thing we need to do is get Nova Roma to expand. Or at the least entice people to join. We need to figure out some sort of action or plan. So I figure we're going to come up with a basic business plan. I'll be reading the Leges and the Constitution tonight to see what our operating framework is, but in the mean time we need to do something or Nova Roma will fall.

Nova Roma Business Plan:
What are we selling? Non-Profit does not mean No Profit. Whether we want to admit it or not, we are selling something. We need to offer value. People want more of what they deeply desire. Love, Money, Acceptance, Free Time, and the variations of those. People buy dog clothes because they want to be accepted. The dog doesn't really care, but the humans do. We also need to help solve the problems of deep pain. Stress, Conflict, Hassle, Uncertainty, and the variations of those. Nova Roma offers a way of life that does away with the uncertainty of everyday living, right? We need to find out how we, as Romans, will offer value for our future citizens. Nova Roma needs exports.

Who will buy it? Who are we wanting to join Nova Roma? P.T. Barnum says we can get some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time. We have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone will want to be a Roman Citizen. We need to figure out what our message is going to be. Simply saying anyone with an interest in ancient Rome should consider. That's obvious. We need a more indepth message to give.

How will Nova Roma help people? At the end of the day, we must ask ourselves one thing. How can we help? How can Nova Roma help people live a better life? How can we help our fellow citizens to live a better life? How can we give them what they want? How can we take away their pain? How can we help?

Money
How will we get paid? What is the point of joining Nova Roma? How are the Consuls, the Senate, the Praetors, the Provincial Governors being compensated for their time? If they are not being compensated, and taxes only go so far as to keep the organization registered and the "doors open," then what value can we offer citizens looking to take part? Many Non-Profit organizations pay their administrative staff. We had the Equestrian Order, but I see nothing coming of that. When I was active long ago, we began minting coin. How will the administrative powers be compensated for their time? If a financial pool is established, how soon can we begin financing events or particular get togethers?

Marketing
How are people going to find out about Nova Roma? What are we doing to spread the word of Nova Roma? What is our marketing platform? What kind of Social Media campaign do we have? How active is our public out reach? How organized are our events that we host? Do we host events?

Can we use refferals? Is there some sort of implementation that can take place where referring another person to Nova Roma has an impact? I imagine if Nova Roma had some exports of value, then yes. Refferals would go a long way. We should keep this idea on the back burner, but not abandon it.

Nova Roma will be a success when it meets either of these metrics:

When it has this many active citizens:

or

When it has an annual net income of:

We need to consider the metrics we use when judging our success. I want the Consuls and the Senators to be able to quite their jobs and focus only on Nova Roma. I want Governors and Praetors to be able to focus only on Nova Roma, and maybe even be able to quite their job. Again, Non-Profit does not mean No-Profit. No sovereign country operates on good will and hand outs. If Nova Roma is to live and flourish, we need to act like other countries and other organizations.

Obstacles
What are some obstacles that would prevent success? My immediate thought is apathy. Nobody gets anything of value from Nova Roma. Maybe a personal sense of I am a Roman Citizen in spirit and I meet with like minded individuals, but that means nothing in the long run. Take Apple the company for a second. Their way of approaching society isn't what they do, but instead why they do what they do. We have to ask ourselves why did we become Nova Roma citizens? When we can answer that question and find the value from that statement, we might be able to end the apathy that can fester in online communities. What is an obstacle, and what is a possible solution?

There you have it. If we can answer all of these questions we will have a solid operating business plan for Nova Roma. In the macro sense this is our foreign policy. This is how we, as a nation, will deal with others outside our nation. How will we conduct trade? How will we handle our boarders and those seeking to enter into it? Right now, Nova Roma needs to expand.

My fellow Romans. This may seem large and overwhelming, but it isn't. We can do this. One small goal at a time. Tell a friend about Nova Roma, and that is victory enough in itself. We can do this because we are Romans. We just need to find our value.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this in advance. And thank you to all who will honestly take this and seek a way to answer the questions. Each question answered brings us to a stronger Nova Roma.

Valete semper optime!
Numerius Apollonius


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95211 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Salve, Cn. Corneli Lentule.

If I didn't have to work profusely in August I would absolutely go. Drink a glass of wine for me, mi amice.

Vale,
Numerius Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95212 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)

Salve Lentule Amice, and Salvete omnes!

 

If you all see a shadow of someone slipping in and out of the shadows at your camp …don’t look for a shade, it will be me!  Sounds absolutely wonderful, and I wish the participants all success, great fun, and perfect weather!

 

Vale et valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95213 From: cmc Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: contacting other cives privately
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

Citizens can, and often do, communicate with one another privately, through
emails, various chat venues, and Skype. It is through these private
communications, in fact, that long term friendships are often formed, and so
the Praetura has absolutely no problem with citizens interacting privately
with one another.

However, though the Praetors have no way of, or need to, monitor such
private communications, they do have a responsibility to protect our
citizens from abuse of any sort, including all forms of SPAM, be they
political, religious, commercial ..or fall into any other category. Should
a citizen receive either SPAM or what he/she considers an inappropriate or
abusive private email from another citizen or guest of Nova Roma, that
citizen may contact the Praetors directly and file a complaint against the
offender. I assure you that the Praetura will take such complaints with the
utmost seriousness, and will act decisively and swiftly to ensure such
offenses are not repeated.

C. Maria Caeca
Scriba Praetoris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95214 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Salve, Maria amica!

You will be here with us in spirit, and in my thoughts, as always! Thank you for the good wishes!

Cura, ut valeas optimé!
Lentulus


Da: "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Lentule Amice, and Salvete omnes!
 
If you all see a shadow of someone slipping in and out of the shadows at your camp …don’t look for a shade, it will be me!  Sounds absolutely wonderful, and I wish the participants all success, great fun, and perfect weather!
 
Vale et valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95215 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
A. Tullia Scholastica Antonio aliisque quiritibus novis bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

A warm welcome to you and the other new (and returning) citizens!  

 

i will like to get to know the present citizens and the countries they came from...and maybe there Nova Roma names too..

Most of us use our Roman names all the time, so there should be no difficulty with THAT.  We represent many countries, but quite a few (including yours truly) are from the US.  We have some Canadians here, too, including the senior Quadratus…truth be told, we come from many countries, and have many different backgrounds.  Lentulus is from Hungary, and, like me, is a classicist; there are other classicists here as well.  

BTW, you don't need approval to write to other citizens, or to post to the main list (this one), although as a new member, you may be on moderation, that is, your posts may have to be approved before being sent to the group.  That is a good idea for new (and unknown) people, but may have been discarded.  Too, people often don't like receiving private mail from parties unknown, so it is best to ask, and / or be invited, to correspond with someone privately.  Of course, spam and other solicitations are unwelcome any time.  

Thanks

Flocci est. 

Valé, et valéte!  



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:50 AM, "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Salve,
What messages will you send? Please describe.
-- 
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Praetor
(MODERATOR)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95216 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
A. Tullia Scholastica N. Apollonio Quadrato quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

 

Salvete,

I am Numerius Apollonius Quadratus. The country I come from is the USA. Getting to know each other, hm. It's difficult to talk about myself with so little a prompt. I joined Nova Roma half as a whim, the other half I suppose because I felt drawn to it in a way. I've always loved the classical world, and yet I've always stopped at Rome. Their engineering feats, their military capabilities, their love of order, and their language.

Indeed, Rome had many merits and many contributions.  One of those is its language, which contributed over 60% of the English language, which from our perspective was unrecognizable before the addition of those Latin-derived words.  

For the benefit of those who missed my earlier announcement, let me reiterate that separately from Nova Roma, we teach Latin via two methods using a CMS which, inter alia, allows both messages sent to one's computer and an archive.  The beginning traditional-method Latin class will commence on Monday, August 31st, 2015.  The text is Wheelock's Latin, revised by LaFleur, either the sixth or seventh edition.  The first year course teaches the absolute basic noun and adjective forms and most of the verb forms; the second year completes that instruction and begins a reading program in its last two or three months.   The assimilation method courses are now separate from the traditional ones, and have always used a different text, Le Latin sans Peine by Clement Desessard, which is also available in Italian-Latin and German-Latin.  Translations into English and Spanish are provided, one lesson at a time.  The academic calendar for these has not yet been formally set, but tentatively the elementary class will begin September 21st, and the accelerated one, September 14th.  All students must have the text in hand before being allowed to register, so one should make arrangements for that.  

If you, or anyone else, is interested in any of these courses, please let me know at this address, and I shall provide further information.  


I feel like Nova Roma can offer us a new way of life. Something traditional and innovative at the same time. It falls on us to breath such life into it. I plan to explore the depths of this fusion of the old with the new.

NR has done just that.  I learned more about Roman government by watching the proper operation of NR's government some years ago, when I was a new citizen, than I had managed to absorb in the course of my formal education.  Watching something in action is quite instructive.  


What about you, mi amice. What is the answer to your own question?

Valete optime,
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus

Valé, et valéte.  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95217 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
Salve, A. Tullia Scholastica.

I would be interested in a Latin course. So I just need Wheelock's Latin?

Vale,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95218 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

Could you at least tone down the hyperbole?  I would be more motivated to answer a sensible request instead of one that implies the sky is falling when it is not.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95219 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve, L. Corneli Sulla

Let it not be said I can get a little too excited. Part of my real life work is consulting for businesses. Mix that with my deep love for Nova Roma and hyperbole could come as an understatement.

I guess it comes down to I see things that used to be, and I am so far removed from the activities that I feel at a lost regarding Nova Roma. To me, nation building should be the goal (yes I understand it's not the ultimate goal but a fun thing to strive for), and it pushes all my buttons. So I want to know what the marketing plan is. What happened to minting Nova Roma coins. What are the plans for new citizen acquisitions.

Basically a horse that hasn't even jumped out of the gate wanting to run before I've learned the rules of the race.

I'm older, not at all wiser, but I have learned some things on my journey in life that I would certainly like to see if it can help Nova Roma.

Sorry for the over the top exuberance. Just ready to do my part for Nova Roma.

Vale,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95220 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95221 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

I fully understand that as one who gets excited as well.  

Have you reviewed some of the archives?  The history of what went on during your absence?  Or are you expecting a more detailed synopsis from those of us who fought in the trenches, so to speak?    Because if I recall correctly you were around during 2009 so you might remember the beginnings of the civil war and such, right?  Most of Nova Roma has focused on has been dealing with the consequences of the civil war to ensure NR wont go through such a period again and we have been very successful in the brief attempts to put the system to test.  

As CFO, I can answer some of your questions that you raised.  For example, magistrates will not ever be paid.  We volunteer our time and service to Nova Roma.  Also, we pay higher taxes based on our increased service to the organization.  It would be utterly illogical to compel brand new citizens who have little knowledge of Nova Roma to pay the same amount as long time citizens.

What other questions do you have again?

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95222 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: A Trend developing?
Ave

Is it just me or do we have a trend developing of long time ago members coming back to Nova Roma?

I know of at least 3 or 4 and I am almost sure there are more than that.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95223 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-29
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve, L. Corneli Sulla

Yes I was there during the civil war and matters continued to get muddied to the point I had to take a break. Life happened and now I am back to see what I can do.

Right now I'm going through the archive and the Leges to see what I've missed and what I need to know. As for your last paragraph, that's enough for now. It gives me a bit of framework I can use to figure out what's going on with Nova Roma, and where my particular skill sets might be of help.

Vale,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95224 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Can we get to know ourselves (and our universal language)
Salve, N. Apolloni, et salvete quirites bonae voluntatis!  

 

Salve, A. Tullia Scholastica.


I would be interested in a Latin course. So I just need Wheelock's Latin?

That, and hard work. We have frequent written assignments to help install the necessary circuits. Please contact me off list for further information. We have already begun registration, and have at least one student on board.  

Don't know why Yahoo can't wrap the word 'necessary…'

Vale,
Apollonius

Valé, et valéte!  

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95225 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Need your approval
Salve, Vedi!

 

Good to see you back among us, pater.  It seems that all of those New England reenactments and such at which we met have vanished, and even Roman Days in Virginia / Maryland appears to be on its last legs.  

Vale,

FlVG

Valé, 

A. Tullia Scholastica

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95226 From: Filippo Zizzo Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Summer Camp in Pannonia (et al.)
Omnibus sodalibus comitibusque Novae Romae s.p. d. Scrib. Nasica,
Summer camp  is a wonderful opportunity! As always, I appreciate in you, care Lentule quaestor mi, reality and facticity. I regret that I am at the same  time in Austria. My spirit is with you, my prayers are with you. That weather  may be clear , friendship witty, study profitable and bonds strengthened again.
Vale valeteque optime.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95227 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
I completely agree. I'll be honest, I began to become disillusioned when I came back from deployment because within that year of absence... we really didn't go anywhere.. I was writing a plan of action, but began to lose hope. Many people are content (whether they want to admit it or not) with the Status Quo. I respect the opinions of both sides, but something as to give. 

When I joined, I didn't join a reconstructionist group.. I joined a revivalist group. On the one hand, we can't claim Roman lineage if all we do is keep Roman names and operate in traditional garb.. but everything else is foreign. On the other hand, WE CAN'T KNOW EVERYTHING THEY DID IN THE PAST and even if we could.. it would be wholly impractical to operate as if we are living pre 44BCE. We need to keep the virtues of Roman life and stick to the Roman structure, but we HAVE TO ADOPT TO A MODERN AUDIENCE! The way we can keep the pendulum from swinging to far to either the traditional or modern is to have a regulatory body solely devoted to noting the changes and seeing if they are too anti-Roman. The greatest argument I can give for the need to modernize that all hardcore traditionalists should agree with would be that the Romans were a very practical people. They didn't just keep doing things the way they were done because that's how it was. If it stopped working, they stopped doing it. If something new worked, they incorporated into the existing structure and made it Roman. Innovation is the essence of the Roman civilization, stagnation is its doom. 

The last time I brought this up many people were in an uproar, but I don't care. We need to take a page from the Vatican's book. The whole "Vatican 2.0" thing proves people need innovation. It's still the same church, same general structure.. but it is modernized to the audience of today.

Hopefully this humble priest doesn't get too much backlash from this, but there you go.

Very Respectfully,

T. Iulius Nix
Fetialis


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95228 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.

Ave,

If I recall correctly we talked about this very subject and you said you would send me your suggestions for review.  Then nothing. 

You did not get rebuffed.  You were encouraged to bring your suggestions forward.  I have our conversation still saved.  You even told me that you were told to expect a hostile response from me, I remember that.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95229 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
No, you are correct. I began to lose hope again while I was typing it up. I admit my failure on that part, regardless I should have finished that and sent it out and in doing nothing.. nothing happened. I wasn't rebuffed by you, whatsoever. I just got disillusioned by a lot of the messages coming through as I was writing. This original thread has sparked a renewal, however. I should have a template for you by the 7th.

-T. Iulius Nix

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95230 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.

Ave,

Thank you.  I'd still like to see it.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95231 From: C. Fabius Lupus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salvete omnes!
 
Regarding the business plan, I agree with Cornelius Sulla, that it would contradict Roman traditions and the classic concept of what a republic (res publica) is. The idea of paying politicians as if it was a management job in some corporation is a modern concept. In the Roman Republic it worked the other way around. The office of a magistrate came with additional financial obligations and was therefore only open for upper class citizens that could afford it.
It had to do with the patron-client relations, which the republic was built on.
 
However Numerius Apollonius has a point with his business plan.
There is indeed a way to generate income from administrative fees.
For example diplomas could be issued as proof of citizenship. These diplomas had in the Roman Republic a similar function as nowadays passports. A fee could becharged for issuing and mailing these certificates. The same could be done for marriage certificates, birth certificates etc.
It would be nice to have a physical evidence for citizenship in Nova Roma and would be a source of income for the Republic.
 
Valete!
C. Fabius Lupus
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95232 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Yup, you are exactly right here and the thing that hinders NR the most is not using a forum. I have brought this point up before and I know the folks in charge here don't like fora and prefer to sit behind the closed doors of clunky mailing lists, but still - this is in my opinion the basic stuff that any audience that might be out there (or not!) does expect if you want to attract their attention and share your ideas with them to bring them in and therefore hopefully get a membership able and willing to help you achieving these ideas and goals. Any group that wants to be able to speak to an audience must accept first that this can only be done by being open to the world outside of the group, because it's there where the audience is located. To have a rather static website that doesn't seem to make people want to search in its depths if there's something of interest is not helpful; to have these clunky mailing list discussions separated into several sub-groups populated by the same people, of which the majority is closed to the outside world i.e. the audience is not helpful either. In Roman terms well that's like fighting with sticks while everybody else uses and expects catapults. To have a dynamic forum (that can of course - and should have closed folders for the citizens) i.e. a dynamic and open place for debate that can be seen, searched for and found by those who are interested in Roman culture, religion etc.. found by the audience (!) you want to reach is the first thing that should be there if you really want to achieve something. And no the NR Fb page doesn't help either, many folks don't use Fb for various reasons and even those who do might not want to join a group they don't really know. A forum would allow everyone who is interested in the topic to join in and so the group could learn what people expect, think and like or dislike by talking with them. It would allow to bring in people from any possible background because joining a forum (and leaving it) is easy, so the threshold to participate is low and the chance for activity higher than in these closed lists - setting up an yahoo account, filtering the messages of several parallel lists into your mailing proggy etc. is not easy and if you don't really know what to expect anything that gets in the way is the perfect excuse to just not bother with it at all.

The next thing is - throw all these micro nation ideas out of the window asap, this just sounds silly to those outside (and to some inside as well) and is the main reason people consider NR a roleplaying group and nothing more. Any local pagan group, or any reenactment group, no matter how small has probably a greater effect, more to share with the audience you are talking about than NR had in all these years. And that people come, stay and go and come back much later only to see that nothing happened, that it's still a debating club behind closed doors where the same 20 folks (or less...) talk about the same stuff over and over should be enough to see that something is not working as intended - unless the intention is to have this little talking club keeping separated from the audience out there, then it's working perfectly of course and you should by all means stick to this plan.

Just my 2 cents, and yes, I know you don't like fora, you love ML and won't change a thing, but that's stagnation, not innovation. Just sayin'...

Valete and greetings from the province of Germania inferior

-- Ludovicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95233 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salvete, mi amice

The term business plan is simply a framework I am familiar with and can organize my thoughts around. Just like marketing plan, and end user conversion rates. It comes down to three simple things.

Rome must adapt, and Nova Roma is no different. Be traditional, excellent. Revive what is old, fantastic. Marry the now with the past, wha? We will always be playing a reactionary game if all we consider is revival in its most strictest sense. This is where I feel the Consul and the Senate will play their most important part. The push to modernize and the pull to remain traditional.

I think incorporation was a brilliant idea. It set up laws and rules that all citizens of Nova Roma are legally bound to. It established a sense of nation building that was in the right direction.

When I ask for Nova Roma's business plan I ask first as a marketing consultant with years of experience trying to figure out what the next several steps we can take to increase the profitability of the Organization so that it can grow. I ask secondly as a Nova Roma citizen trying to figure out what our people's plan for growth is.

Writs of citizenship is definitely something of physical value, but that Writ has to have weight behind it. Why do people want to become Nova Roma citizens? What's the value they get from being part of this organization in the first place? Read that last sentence with less attitude and more of a consultant asking his client where the perceived customers are.

Valete optime,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95234 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve,

If I may, there's no "magic bullet" that is going to fix Nova Roma's current... dare I say malaise?

Switching from email lists to forums isn't going to fix everything.
Switching from a wiki to a content-management-software-driven website isn't going to fix everything.
Filling all the elected offices isn't going to fix everything.
Publishing books isn't going to fix everything.
Dumping our claim to national sovereignty isn't going to fix everything.
Selling stuff on the website isn't going to fix everything.
Cutting taxes isn't going to fix everything.
Raising taxes isn't going to fix everything.
etc. etc. etc.

And in fact some of those things might actually *hurt* us.

I think Nova Roma needs a broad vision, something beyond "do my pet idea and it'll all be better, you'll see!" and something beyond simple maintenance of the status quo. Something daring, something audacious, something simple enough to comprehend and inspire, yet not too complicated to leave people scratching their heads; something that will inspire enough people to get behind it and see it through to the end. 

When our Res Publica was founded nearly twenty years ago, that very act was in and of itself audacious. And it inspired a lot of people to become a part of our great experiment. Now, nearly twenty years later, we need something similarly audacious to inspire another generation to bring our experiment to the next level.

Will such a plan emerge, or will we simply trudge on as we have been, or worse, flail around chasing after some magic bullet? Only time will tell.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95235 From: Q.Albia Corvina Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salvete,

I think you are approaching the problem from the wrong direction.

You ask yourself why no new blood is attracted to NR and how NR could become more attractive to new members. But you don't see things from an outsider's perspective: what is it what a member would expect from an organization like NR?

We are maintaining the largest German website about all things Roman: Roman culture, ancient Roman sites in our provinces (Eastern Gaul and Central Germania) with travel reports, Roman events, and, yes, Roman reconstructionism (www.mos-maiorum.info). We get a lot of feedback from all over Europe and many people contact us via our contact form or our facebook page or via email, they have questions, suggestions, or want advice in how to start with the Religio Romana or how to become a Reenactor or where to travel in Luxembourg.

One thing became quite clear to us over the years: People want exchange with similar minded "Romans", people who are new but deeply interested into all things Roman are looking for lively discussions, advice, and - most of all - contact and exchange. We are also active in similar fora, but since there is no central forum for questions regarding Romanitas, we have to turn to general history or pagan forums to reach our audience and to wave the Roman flag there. People who discover our website are delighted that they are not the only crazy people outside who are interested in Roman food, music, literature, philosophy, or religion.

But whenever we mention NR, we get some of these reactions: "NR? I thought this was a micro nation" - "NR? They don't have a forum, only these outdated yahoo groups where searching for certain topics or following a thread is too tedious" - "NR? Some role-players in togas." - "NR? I find their website unintuitive and I don't know what they are or what they want." - "NR? I don't know why I should join them, it's too unpersonal and abstract."

As Ludovicus stated before, people are even repelled by the procedure of registering to a yahoo group, joining it and browsing through endless archives. In addition, most NR yahoo groups mainly contain cross-postings, what makes searching for topics even more tedious. I'm of the same opinion like him: a yahoo group is fine for a closed, intimate group who wants to talk within a circle of friends about a common interest. But it is definitely not suited for attracting new members or a broader audience! It may have been in the 90s, but not today.

If there was a central forum with an open section about general Roman topics, separated sub-forums for culture like food, music, artists, literature, religion, philosophy, travel tips, practical issues, people would find these forum with google's help and spend hours browsing through the topics  - which would be cleanly seperated and in a chronological order, inspiring them to comment upon them and to join the discussion.

People want contact with living, breathing "Romans", exchange, discussions, a place where they can ask questions or get advice or share their experience. They won't do this in a yahoo group, not today, in 2015. A facebook group is also suboptimal because the comments soon become crowded and threads soon disappear from the focus of the main page. No one looks for a certain topic in a FB group when the topic is hidden in some comments, made in a thread from 2013.

But that's not the main point of my 2 cents. When reading Apollonius' and some of the older messages in this topic, I was actually somewhat alienated. You are asking yourself how NR could attract new members and get fresh blood - and then you seriously discuss "solutions" like fees, laws, profitability, Non-profit organizations, value, incentives?

The main value for a new member is to find like-minded people and get an easy way to come into contact with them and exchange your opinions, ideas, and share your love for all things Roman. It's simple like that.

They don't need other incentives, financial compensations, talk about fees, role playing, bureaucracy, offices, departments, and other administrative stuff. No one from the outside is attracted by these questions or debates of how and what the senators of NR legislate. They are attracted by Roman topics, by Roman religion, or military, or literature, or history. But not by senators, consuls, and quaestors who talk about how fees could work in a non-profit organization or similiar stuff.

Instead, there should be a working, lively, modern communication platform, working regional contacts (like governors who are not mere formal administrators and who never actually get into contact with the citizens of their provinces), and an attractive modern presentation of NR, presenting what it should be: a group of like-minded people who share their common love for the Roman Empire (in all its facets, some are more into history, some into religion, some into arts) without discriminating one group (as a reconstructionist, I sometimes feel frowned upon here).

NR needs some serious image cultivation to shake off it's impression as a "role-playing group" of about 10 people walking around in togas, an "exclusive club", or a "micro-nation".

This would be much more helpful in recruiting new members than any financial debates or incentives or administrative questions.  No outsiders are really interested in such questions, but repelled by these.

With best greetings from Eastern Gaul,

Q. Albia Corvina







Am 30.07.2015 um 19:21 schrieb numeriusapollonius@... [Nova-Roma]:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95236 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95237 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Cn. Lentulus Fl. Vedio Germanico patri patriae et omnibus s. p. d.

I read the discussion with great hopes: it is good to see both our newest citizens and oldest citizens discussing core issues of NR and that we are thinking together about the next step... Quo vadis Nova Roma?

Our co-founder Vedius talks about the next big and attractively simple idea... I think you have expressed very well what kind of breakthrough would be needed. Idealistically, I would say the next simple but inspiring idea (even shocking in a positive way) would be buying land and starting to build a Roman styled settlement. At the first stage, even a temple and two houses, historically accurate, would be kind of an attraction, people would visit it like a living history museum and this could finance further development. We should station there a reenactment group who provide the visitors with programs. But these reenactors would be Nova Romans, so not really "reenactors" but the real thing, so it would be even more exciting to watch. Our priest there would not put on a show, but he would offer real sacrifice. Our legionaries there would not be "actors" but the real honor guard legionaries of official NR legions. Some people could live there either seasonally or permanently. And step by step, year by year, this little village could grow and become the thing that we promised in the Declaration. Starting, actually starting to make steps in this direction would be for example a very "mind blowing" message sent to the Roman fandom.

But we don't have the money, we don't have the location, we don't have the necessary activists who would handle everything... so could we do anything about it at this stage? I doubt... Or is this just a matter of decision and determination? Our officers could go around searching for investors: I am quite sure there are somewhere a couple of "crazy" millionaires who would invest money into such a Roman theme park, which would at the same time be our Capital. There are so many crazy things that get realized over the world, people do, build, create and make quite surprising and unbelievable things. How do they do that? We need that sort of determination...

In NR Pannonia we are working on creating a Roman castra, with stone buildings. It would be financed by the local city government which hopes to attract tourism to that site. This plan has been under negotiations in the last 2-3 years, sometimes it seems it is close to realization, then something always complicates it. But it is still on file with the city government, there are also some other possible investors. If we succeed with it, we will consecrate it as a NR territory, but it will not be owned by NR, because it would not be possible at this point. But things like this should be tried in other NR provinces as well and we then could come closer to the next big step.

Of course, what I wrote is just one of the many possible directions we can go for our next step. I don't say we are by all means prepared to start with such a thing. If I think about possible next steps, I think the most urgent would be to create some services that NR could offer to its members: we should have our online Roman courses, we should have a touristic service (an enhanced version of the Xenia Project that is on our website), where members of NR could travel and visit Roman sites and each other in other lands and stay there for free, or for a very decreased price, and get e.g. travel guide for free by other citizens. NR should obtain agreements with various Roman-related programs, events, museums etc to get reduced price for NR taxpayers (and THIS is where a NR membership card would have meaning)... We could offer a "prayer factory" (to use a funny expression) where priests and Latin translators would create historically and ritually correct Latin Roman prayers for a price (taxpayers could get discount). Any Roman cultor who would want a proper ritual for any specific occasion, could contact NR and get one for a small amount of money. If he had experts on various topics, we could offer consultation to reenactor legions about various issues on armour, command words, drill, to civilian reenactors on how to make and wear a toga, palla, trabea, tunica, lacerna etc... These things not necessarily should involve a price, many such things could be discussed on our fora, but we could create permanent workshops which would have the task to provide complete and researched answers to these inquiries within 2-3 days, and people working in these professional consulting boards should get some compensation for their trouble to be required to research, investigate and give advice on a constant basis and always instantly. Rome fans are desperately searching and googling every possible online resources, but most of them are curious amateurs and don't know where to look or how to find something or which book is to be opened. I can imagine there would be place on the market for an "All Things Roman" consultant service, but even if there is no money involved, we could offer this exclusively to taxpayers and associated legion members (for example). Thusly if someone wanted to use these services, he would consider paying the taxes (or applying for membership if he is not a citizen yet). Legions or other Roman themed groups would consider associating with NR, so that they can rely on our Latin translations, ritual advice, Roman military expertise, and to use the knowledge of our scholars. Of course, we need to have somewhat more experts among us, but it is not very difficult to get some more into NR.

Again: these are just some things from the top of my head, do not accuse me of not having worked out every detail. My intention was just to point out that there can be various ideas, but the jack pot idea would be to simply start realizing the Plan announced on pridie Kalendas Martias, 1998.

Valete!
Lentulus


Da: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

If I may, there's no "magic bullet" that is going to fix Nova Roma's current... dare I say malaise?

Switching from email lists to forums isn't going to fix everything.
Switching from a wiki to a content-management-software-driven website isn't going to fix everything.
Filling all the elected offices isn't going to fix everything.
Publishing books isn't going to fix everything.
Dumping our claim to national sovereignty isn't going to fix everything.
Selling stuff on the website isn't going to fix everything.
Cutting taxes isn't going to fix everything.
Raising taxes isn't going to fix everything.
etc. etc. etc.

And in fact some of those things might actually *hurt* us.

I think Nova Roma needs a broad vision, something beyond "do my pet idea and it'll all be better, you'll see!" and something beyond simple maintenance of the status quo. Something daring, something audacious, something simple enough to comprehend and inspire, yet not too complicated to leave people scratching their heads; something that will inspire enough people to get behind it and see it through to the end. 

When our Res Publica was founded nearly twenty years ago, that very act was in and of itself audacious. And it inspired a lot of people to become a part of our great experiment. Now, nearly twenty years later, we need something similarly audacious to inspire another generation to bring our experiment to the next level.

Will such a plan emerge, or will we simply trudge on as we have been, or worse, flail around chasing after some magic bullet? Only time will tell.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae






On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:20 PM, 'D.Gratius_Ludovicus' decimus.gratius_ludovicus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95238 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Lentulus Albiae s. p. d.

Inspiring and eye opening post: I agree with many things you say, however, it is not correct to say that the Roman republic aspect does not entice many people to NR. Based on my work in the censorial database talking with applicants of citizenship, at least 1/3rd of applicants for NR membership apply for citizenship because (or partly because) they are excited about the "restored Roman res publica" concept. This is our greatest strength, the greatest appeal we have. The wonderful and majestic texture of the Roman republic with the various priestly colleges, magistrates, the senate and the consuls, this organic, primeval chaotic yet well-organized multilayered and complex community system attracts many people, and senate sessions, legislation and tribunician vetoes are in fact things that many people are interested in -- of course, in various levels of depth, some very much, some just a little. But it is something that is a strength of NR. Now, I will very much agree with you that the emphasis, however, should NOT put on this aspect of NR, but on the things YOU mentioned. And yes, accidentally this Roman republican aspect is also the most eccentric and strangest element of Nova Roma, and consequently it receives not only the most positive feedback, but also the most negative ones. Certainly, for lots of people, being part of the Roman nation sounds ridiculous and just a role play. But for many this is exactly the thing they always dreamed about. I don't think that I can be accused of role playing. I also don't think I would be unserious or ridiculous with my Romanitas. I am actually a PhD student of Roman studies, and I have works published in the topic (in Hungarian language). People contact me for advice on topics of Roman military, Latin linguistics, Roman religion, clothing, ritual and so on, and I try to give valuable and serious advice. Therefore I think seriousness and Roman nationhood (the idea of reconstructing and operating as a community in a res publica) do not exclude each other. On the contrary, it is my personal view (and I don't force it on you) that true Romanitas only emerges when someone realizes that he or she is a Roman, and wants to live in a Roman res publica.

Thank you for your very valuable and realistic feedback!

Vale optime!
Lentulus


Da: "'Q.Albia Corvina' q.albia_corvina@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete,

I think you are approaching the problem from the wrong direction.

You ask yourself why no new blood is attracted to NR and how NR could become more attractive to new members. But you don't see things from an outsider's perspective: what is it what a member would expect from an organization like NR?

We are maintaining the largest German website about all things Roman: Roman culture, ancient Roman sites in our provinces (Eastern Gaul and Central Germania) with travel reports, Roman events, and, yes, Roman reconstructionism (www.mos-maiorum.info). We get a lot of feedback from all over Europe and many people contact us via our contact form or our facebook page or via email, they have questions, suggestions, or want advice in how to start with the Religio Romana or how to become a Reenactor or where to travel in Luxembourg.

One thing became quite clear to us over the years: People want exchange with similar minded "Romans", people who are new but deeply interested into all things Roman are looking for lively discussions, advice, and - most of all - contact and exchange. We are also active in similar fora, but since there is no central forum for questions regarding Romanitas, we have to turn to general history or pagan forums to reach our audience and to wave the Roman flag there. People who discover our website are delighted that they are not the only crazy people outside who are interested in Roman food, music, literature, philosophy, or religion.

But whenever we mention NR, we get some of these reactions: "NR? I thought this was a micro nation" - "NR? They don't have a forum, only these outdated yahoo groups where searching for certain topics or following a thread is too tedious" - "NR? Some role-players in togas." - "NR? I find their website unintuitive and I don't know what they are or what they want." - "NR? I don't know why I should join them, it's too unpersonal and abstract."

As Ludovicus stated before, people are even repelled by the procedure of registering to a yahoo group, joining it and browsing through endless archives. In addition, most NR yahoo groups mainly contain cross-postings, what makes searching for topics even more tedious. I'm of the same opinion like him: a yahoo group is fine for a closed, intimate group who wants to talk within a circle of friends about a common interest. But it is definitely not suited for attracting new members or a broader audience! It may have been in the 90s, but not today.

If there was a central forum with an open section about general Roman topics, separated sub-forums for culture like food, music, artists, literature, religion, philosophy, travel tips, practical issues, people would find these forum with google's help and spend hours browsing through the topics  - which would be cleanly seperated and in a chronological order, inspiring them to comment upon them and to join the discussion.

People want contact with living, breathing "Romans", exchange, discussions, a place where they can ask questions or get advice or share their experience. They won't do this in a yahoo group, not today, in 2015. A facebook group is also suboptimal because the comments soon become crowded and threads soon disappear from the focus of the main page. No one looks for a certain topic in a FB group when the topic is hidden in some comments, made in a thread from 2013.

But that's not the main point of my 2 cents. When reading Apollonius' and some of the older messages in this topic, I was actually somewhat alienated. You are asking yourself how NR could attract new members and get fresh blood - and then you seriously discuss "solutions" like fees, laws, profitability, Non-profit organizations, value, incentives?

The main value for a new member is to find like-minded people and get an easy way to come into contact with them and exchange your opinions, ideas, and share your love for all things Roman. It's simple like that.

They don't need other incentives, financial compensations, talk about fees, role playing, bureaucracy, offices, departments, and other administrative stuff. No one from the outside is attracted by these questions or debates of how and what the senators of NR legislate. They are attracted by Roman topics, by Roman religion, or military, or literature, or history. But not by senators, consuls, and quaestors who talk about how fees could work in a non-profit organization or similiar stuff.

Instead, there should be a working, lively, modern communication platform, working regional contacts (like governors who are not mere formal administrators and who never actually get into contact with the citizens of their provinces), and an attractive modern presentation of NR, presenting what it should be: a group of like-minded people who share their common love for the Roman Empire (in all its facets, some are more into history, some into religion, some into arts) without discriminating one group (as a reconstructionist, I sometimes feel frowned upon here).

NR needs some serious image cultivation to shake off it's impression as a "role-playing group" of about 10 people walking around in togas, an "exclusive club", or a "micro-nation".

This would be much more helpful in recruiting new members than any financial debates or incentives or administrative questions.  No outsiders are really interested in such questions, but repelled by these.

With best greetings from Eastern Gaul,

Q. Albia Corvina







Am 30.07.2015 um 19:21 schrieb numeriusapollonius@... [Nova-Roma]:





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95239 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve, Q. Albia Corvina et salvete to all others I am about to address.

Nova Roma is a Non-Profit organization. Discussions about fiscal policy are necessary. Him and haw all you want, that is a fact now. It no longer matters about whether people are interested in Senators or Consul or Governors. They need to be in order for the organization to survive. That is just a plain fact. Either make them care about those positions, or do what I have been consistently misunderstood on. So let's start from the beginning, and I pray to the Gods I will be more eloquent and erudite in my speech this time around.

Nation building is the end game. Will we become a nation? Who knows, I don't believe so right now. We have structured Nova Roma to be like a nation. Ignore the baggage of micronation tosh for right now. Just look at it as it is right now. We are all role-players. Every last one of us simply because that is the structure we have built-ish. There's a few things to iron out, but that is pretty much what you're looking at. A group of role-players pretending to be Roman.

Is there anything wrong with that? No. Not in the slightest, but that's not really the point I want to drive home for right now. So let's go back to my business plan I've been working up, and thankfully you all, especially you Q. Albia Corvina have answered key questions I brought up that needed to be addressed.

Nova Roma Business Plan:
What is Nova Roma Selling?
Nova Roma will help the average person achieve the Roman Lifestyle they desire. Meeting like minded individuals and becoming part of a larger community. This community is structured in a way that those who become citizens are not just talking about living the lifestyle, they will actually have the chance to live the Roman Lifestyle by the virtue of Nova Roma's stucturing as a Non-Profit Organization. Elected officials, and a healthy political life, along with Roman games staged in each Province gives the person a chance to live an as close as possible authentic Ancient Roman Life. Nova Roma Needs Exports still.

Who will buy?
Nova Roma's clients will be individuals with an interest in the classical period, ancient Roman religion, or just plain revivalist enthusiast.

How will Nova Roma help people?
Nova Roma will help people, as Q. Albia Corvina pointed out, by giving people the outlet to express their deep desire for Ancient Rome. Nova Roma will be the outlet that channels their interest in the classical period, as well as being the source of community they long for. Nova Roma (whether a real micro nation or not) will become home to them.

Money
How will Nova Roma get paid?
Figure this out. It is important. My general idea is to go along with the idea already established. Writs of Citizenry, official Roman Weddings, birth certificates. Intellectual property is cheap and easy as well as lucrative. Nova Roma needs an income source. This way Nova Roma can begin funding events solely. Nova Roma can purchase ads in magazines to announce a coming Roman festival. Nova Roma can lobby legislation in the US that would expand archaeological endeavors. Whatever it comes to, Nova Roma needs an income source. That is just a fact now.

Th rest of the business plan can come into effect after the core fundamentals of Nova Roma are established (which it sounds like that is in the works).

Am I saying we run up to the average person with a business plan in hand and say look at us join us and check out this business plan? No. No government, organization, or business does that.

"NR needs some serious image cultivation to shake off it's impression as a "role-playing group" of about 10 people walking around in togas, an "exclusive club", or a "micro-nation".

This would be much more helpful in recruiting new members than any financial debates or incentives or administrative questions.  No outsiders are really interested in such questions, but repelled by these." - Q. Albia

With all due respect, Q. Albia, you are wrong only to a slight degree. You are correct in that no outsider cares about the fiscal policy of Hoo-Ha Organization. With the "stigma" of being a roleplaying micronation weirdo group brought about by apathy and inactivity has damaged Nova Roma's general appearance. Thus no outsider will take Nova Roma too seriously. No Outsider. That is the pivotal point. Once they are part of Nova Roma, they are no longer an outsider. They need to know how this thing they have emotionally, intellectually, and maybe even economically invested in will survive. What compensation they will meet once they have become a member. Nova Roma needs branding, absolutely. Nova Roma needs some washing, but micronation, roleplaying, exclusive club are strengths and assets.

Micronation:
I joined Nova Roma for the micronation aspects. I love nation building, and I would love nothing more than to see Nova Roma a sovereign nation. I am also pragmatic in my years, and I don't fully expect that to happen. People go to Diagon Alley in Universal Studios partly because they want the world of Harry Potter to be real, but they also know it can't be. So they go to sort of vent the frustrations of reality. Waving wands and what have you. I would see Nova Roma have a village some place where people can live and experience Roman life. Commune? Maybe. More plausible as a theme park, but that is my dream. There's nothing wrong with striving for your dreams so long as you remain rational. Micronation is an asset that adds to the feeling of Identity and Acceptance people can feel for Nova Roma. We need to temper it, but not remove it.

Roleplaying:
We all roleplay. Nobody here is an actual senator. And when the day comes I run for office as Provincial Governor for my area (and I will), I'm not actually a governor. I am simply a guy part of an organization that likes Ancient Rome... A LOT.

Exclusive Club:
We're Roman, that's pretty exclusive enough. Something sets us apart from everyone else, otherwise why would anyone become a member of Nova Roma? We are exceptional, we are different, and we are exclusive only so far as we will put in the work.

All of this, every last bit of what I wrote is not something I say we broadcast from the highest mountains. We should lead by example. People looking for micronation fun times? Take part in Nova Roma politics, expand our foreign policy so we can increase our state's coffers and buy up land to establish settlements. You like Roleplaying? Take part in Nova Roma's several games, join a Legion and learn what it means to fight like a Roman. Exclusive club? Not everyone will be a Roman, nor will they have the drive to become a member of the government. Becoming a citizen of Nova Roma places you in a different place outside of the normal world and into a group of like minded individuals bound together by one simple truth. We Are Roman.

All these can be turned into assets if we are willing to put in the work and design them to our benefit. This business plan isn't so much a means to bring in new blood (though that is a serious thing needed), but also to give us direction. There needs to be a truce, a compromise.

People like me who want a micronation need to come to grips that it will not happen, probably ever. The closest we will come to is either a commune (maybe) or places of land Nova Roma buys in order to hold historical themed events and resort like vacations. I can live with that for now.

People who don't want micronation aspects need to come to grips that many people are coming to Nova Roma for that very principle, and that becoming a Non-Profit Organization was a huge step towards micronation functionality. Does it need to go much further than that? I say yes, buy land, but you know my position. In essence, no. This is probably as far as micronation building really needs to go. But you have to play politics. Keep nation and what have you sort of language in there as a compromise.

Baby steps, everyone. Baby steps. One small victory at a time and a nation we will build.

TL;DR: Please read it all, I put a lot of thought into it. Also sorry for the novel. I've had time to think about it, and this is kind of my main profession in life.

Vale et valete optime
Numerius Apollonius Quadratus







Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95240 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

First let me direct you to Caesar's document called Nova Roma Reborn.  I believe it is available in the file section and you can see some of the vision that he, I and others have developed.  This is something we have been working on once the reform efforts had been completed.  Remember, we had to spend 3 years after the civil war learning the from those lessons and restructuring our society in order to prevent a repeat.

Also, I am working on a financial plan that is absolutely a long term vision for Nova Roma.  However, it is not yet ready for airing.  It works on the original idea I got from Caeca and blowing it up and building benchmarks to make such an endeavor feasible and possible.  If adopted any citizen can be pointed to it if they have a question along the lines of what is Nova Roma's long term financial goal and objective.  

Upon reading Caesar's plan if anyone has questions, please feel free to ask.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95241 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

Well this is only going to happen when more than the same 10 people actually do anything.  Ya'll should be thankful that there are at least 10 people who actually devote time to this organization with our blood, sweat and tears.  Keep in mind this organization would have ended if the Audit had not been addressed.  Or due to the actions of individuals who get their hands dirty to fix the website - get the Cista up and running.  

I would rather have 10 people of quality put their time and effort in the organization than thousands of paper members who do nothing for the organization.  If YOU wish the change that and become one of the few who actually do something then do it.  BUT DO NOT INSULT and diminish the actions of those of us who DO instead of teach and preach.  Ok?

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95242 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Well, you know that's the typical response to criticism from folks who don't want to be criticized, who can't stand criticism. And frankly it's a bad response, because you are obviously in total denial of how NR is received outside of the group itself, how it is seen by those who are interested in the topic of all things Roman (which is the very reason they sometimes stumble upon NR). And it is not a positive view they take on it, let me tell you that. What Corvina said about the reasons that NR is seen the way it is, the reason why many folks don't take it seriously is true and that you simply say "don't dare to criticize if your are not doing it better -OK?" is one of the problems this group is facing. You don't want to change, you just want to have the things as they always were...
Everyone chooses how to spent his time, has to choose vecause the day has only so many hours, you may accuse someone who is doing absolutely nothing to help the Roman cause (let's call it that way to be most inclusive) of doing nothing, but as Corvina said, we are running a pretty active website supporting Romanitas in the broadest sense because we wanted to support the people who are living in one of the old Roman provinces with information about their past, this culture and religion and that in their own language. NR seems nothing more than an empty shell around some scattered ML, so we were not really motivated to join in these endless debates of these 10 folks because that would have had no effect to actually achieve something for Rome as an idea, Roma Aeterna...instead we chose to do something else but still for the Roman cause and that's where we are slightly connected to NR. Which in fact means we are one of those few who actually do something and I suppose we are reaching out to more people than NR as an "organization" has done for years. Simply because we use the way of communication that is used and expected in 2015. So, we are doing something, we are still part of this group, we are relatively new citizens and that we are not being part of the ongoing debates here should tell you something...folks who become members suddenly realize there's not much to do around here besides reading the emails and that's not enough to build a living community, even if it is a cyber community. We tried to contact the "governor" for our province...guess what? Nothing happened, it's just a name on a website, a shell. A sad reality, but a reality nonetheless and we have the right to point that out.

Ok?

Vale,

Ludovicus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95243 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Excuse me?

I don't have a problem with criticism at all.  But, unlike you I actually put my money where my mouth is and bled for this organization.  I spent sleepless nights trying to work to make the organization better and to have a pissant nobody like you try to dismiss the actions of myself and others is comical.  What have you done for Nova Roma buddy?  Have you spent sleepless nights trying to write laws or organize events?  Have you dealt with the IRS when the Organization got audited? Are you even a tax payer?  Did you develop and try to implement short and long term plans for NR?  Have you held ANY office within the organization and tried to summon the Senate to get your ideas adopted and implemented?  Come back and talk to me when you actually have some YES answers to those previous questions.  

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95244 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Caesar sal.

If some of you who seem to pop up from nowhere when debates like this start actually invested the amount of time standing for office, creating projects, solving real issues and generally putting your money and time where your typing fingers stray so easily, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's a sure fire defence to that charge however to claim that there is no point to joining in a debate, so you don't bother. That exonerates people from any responsibility to get involved centrally and just sit on the sidelines and carp. I don't buy that. 

Tell you what, all the discontented...those who don't think the current infrastructure serves any point, or there is no point in debate etc etc etc, and all the myriad of reasons for being ghosts and doing zilch except pop up occasionally and offer profound advice, ship out and join Caecus in his row boat of an organization. 

Optime vale


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Excuse me?

I don't have a problem with criticism at all.  But, unlike you I actually put my money where my mouth is and bled for this organization.  I spent sleepless nights trying to work to make the organization better and to have a pissant nobody like you try to dismiss the actions of myself and others is comical.  What have you done for Nova Roma buddy?  Have you spent sleepless nights trying to write laws or organize events?  Have you dealt with the IRS when the Organization got audited? Are you even a tax payer?  Did you develop and try to implement short and long term plans for NR?  Have you held ANY office within the organization and tried to summon the Senate to get your ideas adopted and implemented?  Come back and talk to me when you actually have some YES answers to those previous questions.  

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix




On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, 'D.Gratius_Ludovicus' decimus.gratius_ludovicus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95245 From: D.Gratius_Ludovicus Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Dude, you don't get it, hm? Pissant nobody? So you not even prove my point about your attitude about criticism, you also have absolutely no style and then you do pretend to be a Roman? That's indeed comical. Go, write some more laws to relax a bit. You are not doing yourself or this group any favor if you try to shut down any critics on this personal (rather low) level. But I know you don't care much about that, do you?

Good night

Ludovicus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95246 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS3, USN Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.

This is one of the main examples is disillusionment.. When it turns into attacks and away from the topic at hand,  take it to private emails if you have offence at what someone said. Or, if you have to save face in the public forum, make something short and sweet here (that still alludes to the topic) and fire off with the essays of discontent in that private email I mentioned earlier.
Comments like this open the way to further actions in the defense of oneself and away from the topic.

Very Respectfully,

T. Iulius Nix
Fetialis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95247 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Luckily you are not the arbitrator of what is Roman and what is not.  Otherwise I might lose a second or two of sleep tonight.  But, since you are not, I will sleep like a baby and continue to do what I do.  You on the meantime can go mingle with the other barbarians that you have more in common with.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95248 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

They have no interest in private correspondence. They wouldn't have a built in audience that way. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95249 From: Vedius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve Sulla,

I'm quite well acquainted with Gnaeus Iulius' proposal, and indeed discussed it with him as he was putting it together.

However, at the risk of re-opening the debate on that particular plan, it is a vastly complex solution in search of a problem. The very fact that it is more than 120 pages long speaks to its inadequacy; when we're having problems getting people to run for office, what are the odds they're going to give attention to so vast a document, let alone comprehend it thoroughly enough to have an informed opinion of it?

When people are disinterested, the last thing to do is to throw a hundred-plus-page document at them and say "read this".

I do not say that there is nothing of value within, quite the contrary. But once again, it is no magic bullet. Too, I would point out that the document is more than four years old at this point. Nova Roma, and its problems, have changed in that time. The solutions to those problems must change as well.

Our problems are much more fundamental, much more primal, than those the "Nova Roma Reborn" plan purports to fix. Obviously, I've not seen the business plan you're working on (and I agree such a plan, at least at some level, would be a great help), and so cannot comment upon it. I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you, in strictest confidence, if if please you.

But hundred-page plans aren't the solution. Bold, decisive leadership with a simple definitive vision is what's needed.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95250 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

I never claimed it was a magic bullet.  People asked if there was a plan, I answered the question.  It was as simple as that.

Leadership is only part of the solution.  You could have INSPIRED leadership but if the average citizen is just an internet application and nothing else that inspired leadership will go for naught.  

Leadership plus an active and interested citizenry are both equally essential.  To think it all works from the top down is not sufficient because it does not answer the entire situation.  

Of course, I will be calling you, and would enjoy catching up with you and discussing both your ideas and mine. :)  A few people have already an idea on my plan, which if successful will create actual face to face Roman Communities and again, if successful will be able to be duplicated once the first housing development is established.    I apologize for the delay in calling you, catching up on life takes alot of time when I haven't been home for almost 8 long months. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95251 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve Vedi.

I think your problem with my plan is really that someone other than you had the temerity to pen something out about your own creation. Your uptake on my plan sounds more like pique. If anything is "inadequate" it could be said to be your devotion to Nova Roma, because you haven't been around that much, and then back you pop with your insightful commentary on a plan you barely read the last time you graced us with your presence. Some of us stuck around dealing with the issues and creating solutions while you were busy ascending up to Olympus again. Be that as it may....good to see Romulus Mk2 has deigned to comment on this.

The problems my plan seeks to address are clear. I never had apologized for the length of it, because if one reads and thinks about it the problems of Nova Roma are many and varied. Point out one thing that it addresses that isn't a fact, because I can provide examples. Yes my document is four years old and guess what? The problems are as valid today as are the solutions as when I wrote it, so you are wrong..the problems have not changed, not one iota.

It would be erroneous to try to sell people on the idea that "all will be well" by simply thinking inspired thoughts. You and Cassius encountered the realities of running an organization, and that is many not in positions of responsibility somehow morph into being "experts" or suddenly rise from the dead to squawk complaints, and then sink back into oblivion.That is NR. Nothing changes, just the names of the experts.

 Apparently despite your frequent time away from us you are one of those experts now, on the basis you founded this insane asylum years ago. Sorry, but it takes more than dated knowledge to comment credibly on Nova Roma.  You are out of date. You can sell them on the kool-aid of hopes and dreams but all too often in Nova Roma those run out of steam and fizzle, splutter and die, or people quit. So I am sure some people will follow someone like you, who preaches a kool-aid based doctrine. 

"Bold, decisive leadership with a simple definitive vision is what's needed". I agree, but you have to have something of substance to underpin that otherwise all we get is a confident bag of wind, floating away with the first harsh wind of a problem or a re-occurrence of the plague of experts. Simplistic, back of the matchbox type solutions are not always the solution.

I recall you descended from the clouds of oblivion during my run for the consulship in 2012 and chirped in with your insightful commentary on my plan, and then promptly vanished into the mists again. Well while you were away (again) a large chunk of it has already been implemented and more will be forthcoming. Stick around this time and see... you can have fun pecking away at it.

Vale
Caesar



From: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Sulla,

I'm quite well acquainted with Gnaeus Iulius' proposal, and indeed discussed it with him as he was putting it together.

However, at the risk of re-opening the debate on that particular plan, it is a vastly complex solution in search of a problem. The very fact that it is more than 120 pages long speaks to its inadequacy; when we're having problems getting people to run for office, what are the odds they're going to give attention to so vast a document, let alone comprehend it thoroughly enough to have an informed opinion of it?

When people are disinterested, the last thing to do is to throw a hundred-plus-page document at them and say "read this".

I do not say that there is nothing of value within, quite the contrary. But once again, it is no magic bullet. Too, I would point out that the document is more than four years old at this point. Nova Roma, and its problems, have changed in that time. The solutions to those problems must change as well.

Our problems are much more fundamental, much more primal, than those the "Nova Roma Reborn" plan purports to fix. Obviously, I've not seen the business plan you're working on (and I agree such a plan, at least at some level, would be a great help), and so cannot comment upon it. I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you, in strictest confidence, if if please you.

But hundred-page plans aren't the solution. Bold, decisive leadership with a simple definitive vision is what's needed.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae







On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95252 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve, Corneli.

I'll head over there and read Caeser's plan tonight.

Vale,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95253 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-30
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

Cool, it is a very informative and detailed read.  It took me two or three days to read it all the first time. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95254 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Podcasts
Ave,

In the past few weeks I have been posting podcast links and brief descriptions as they relate to the NR time frame (mostly).  Should I continue posting those links and are there subjects that I can research to see if there are podcasts focused on those areas?  Also, should I include podcasts that go outside of the time-frame but are fascinating nevertheless?

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95255 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Roman Baths Tour Podcasts
Ave,

This has to be one of the most fascinating podcasts I have seen to date.  The subject is focused to a Tour of Roman Baths. I have yet to listen to it but the contents I have seen grabbed my attention immediately and once I am completed with the British History Podcast this is next on my list.


Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95256 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-07-31
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salvete,
Just a quick comment.
I am happy to see so much activity with regards to development within Nova Roma. Keep up the good work.
The only advise I have is "laser like focus," "substantive comments & suggestions," and STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT 1) Concept, Cases 2) Formulation, Implementation, Control... complements from my academic brain via Capella University.
Valete,
(AC) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (NRG)


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave,

Could you at least tone down the hyperbole?  I would be more motivated to answer a sensible request instead of one that implies the sky is falling when it is not.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:59 PM, numeriusapollonius@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com