Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Aug 1-12, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95263 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: epigrammata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95264 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Today in History - Death of Marcus Antonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95265 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Today in History - Batavian Rebellion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95266 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95267 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95268 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95269 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95270 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Today in History - the Battle of Cannae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95271 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Another Event - Octavian Enters Alexandria Re: [Nova-Roma] Today in
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95272 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Re: Today in History - the Battle of Cannae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95273 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95274 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95275 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95276 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Today in History - Tiberius defeats the Dalmatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95277 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS2(SW), USN Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95278 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95279 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Another event today - August 3rd
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95280 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Domus Aurea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95281 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Another event today - August 3rd
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95282 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Another event today - August 3rd
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95283 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: August 3 - This day in Roman history
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95284 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95285 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95286 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Report of the CP session - July 2768 a.U.c
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95287 From: Mary Morken Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95288 From: marikunin Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: adding to my nova roma profile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95289 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: adding to my nova roma profile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95290 From: D. Gratius Ludovicus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95291 From: Ty Sponchia Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: fishing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95292 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: fishing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95293 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: fishing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95294 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95295 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95296 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95297 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95298 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95299 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95300 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: a great book about Byzantium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95301 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95302 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95303 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Declaration of candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95304 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Election of junior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95305 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Election of Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95306 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Elections to begin soon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95307 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Official Summons of the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95308 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95309 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95310 From: Mary Morken Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95311 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: a great book about Byzantium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95312 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: fishing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95313 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95314 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: a great book about Byzantium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95315 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: More on the book Strategos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95316 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: More on the book Strategos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95317 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95318 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95319 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95320 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95321 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95322 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95323 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95324 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95325 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95326 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95327 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Official Summons of the Comitia Populi Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95328 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95329 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95330 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95331 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95332 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95333 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95334 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95335 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95336 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95337 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95338 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95339 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95340 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95341 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95342 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95343 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95344 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95345 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95346 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95347 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95348 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95349 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95350 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95351 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95352 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95353 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Caesar's Plan
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95354 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Caesar's Plan
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95355 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95356 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95357 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95358 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95359 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95360 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Caesar's Plan
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95361 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Next Podcast on the list
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95362 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95363 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95364 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95365 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95366 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95367 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95368 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95369 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95370 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95371 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95372 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95373 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Comitia Populi Tributa - Official Candidates List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95374 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Election of junior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95375 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Classical Wisdom Weekly
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95376 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Populi Tributa - Contio is open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95377 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Contio is open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95378 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Contio is open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95380 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Comitia Populi Tributa - Contio is open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95381 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Ceremonies for Nova Roma in Rome in the upcoming days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95382 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy - Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95383 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95384 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95385 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95386 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95387 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95388 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95389 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Senate Finance Committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95390 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95391 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95392 From: reenbru Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Senate Finance Committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95393 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Senate Finance Committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95394 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95395 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95396 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95397 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95398 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95399 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Battle of Adrianople
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95400 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95401 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Today in Roman History - Battle of Pharsalus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95402 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95403 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95404 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95405 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95406 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95407 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Back to listening....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95408 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95409 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: More Podcasts....but this time LATIN!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95410 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95411 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: On the Nova Roma Facebook....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95412 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95413 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Current magistrates as candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95414 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Current magistrates as candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95415 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: End of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95416 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95417 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95418 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95419 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95420 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95421 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95422 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95423 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95424 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Official Candidates List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95425 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Tribune of the Plebs APB
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95426 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95427 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: CALL TO ORDER - FORMAL MEETING OF THE SENATE IN SESSION 08-28 Aug 27
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95428 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: August 11th in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95429 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95430 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95431 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95432 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95433 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95434 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95435 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95436 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95437 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95438 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-12
Subject: August 12th in History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95439 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-12
Subject: Re: Dacia



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95263 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: epigrammata
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Some time ago, mention was made of the Roman poet Martialis, who at that time was characterized (ni fallor) as a love poet.  Not much could be farther from the truth, as his works I shall copy below should illustrate quite plainly.  

First, a bit of background:  M. Valerius Martialis was born in Bilbilis, Spain, in the year 40 BCE.  He was educated there, and later came to Rome, when he was about 24 years old.  There he eked out an existence as the recipient of the bounty of various patrons.  About 36 years later, he returned to Spain, and passed away a few years later.

He had a very satiric wit, and expressed this in epigrammatic form, often with scorpion-like stings in the tails (and elsewhere, too).  He could, however, be quite kind, as his epigram on a belovèd slave girl, Erotion, demonstrates quite adequately.  

Hanc tibi, Fronto pater, genetrix Flaccilla, puellam
oscula commendo deliciasque meas,
parvola ne nigras horrescat Erotion umbras
oraque Tartarei prodigiosa canis.
Impletura fuit sextae modó frigora brumae,
vixisset totidem ni minus illa dies. 
Inter tam veteres ludat lasciva patronos
et nomen blaeso garriat ore meum.
Mollia non rigidus caespes tegat ossa; nec illi,
terra, gravis fueris:  non fuit illa tibi.  [V. 34]

Here he calls upon his late parents, Fronto and Flaccilla, to watch over the little slave girl, and protect her from the shades of Tartarus and the monster Cerberus, asking that this little five year old play amid her elders and patrons [those familiar with the Harry Potter series should be able to find the Latin word which forms part of a relevant magical command] and speak his name with her lisping mouth.  He ends by asking the earth not to cover her bones with stiff turf, and not to rest heavy on her--for she did not rest heavy on the earth while she lived her short life.  

More characteristic, however, were some shorter pieces along these lines:  

Non amo te, Sabidi, nec possum dicere quare:
Hoc tantum scio:  non amo te.  [I. 32]. 

Similarly, 

Nuper erat medicus, nunc est vispillo / vespillo Diaulus,
quod vispillo facit, fecerat et medicus.  [I. 47]


And another, sometimes known as the interns' visit:


Languebam:  sed tu comitatus protinus ad me
venisti centum, Symmache, discipulis.
Centum me tetigere manús aquilone gelatae:
non habui febrem, Symmache, nunc habeo!  [V. 9]

    And

    Amissum non flet, cum sola est, Gellia patrem:
si quis adest, jussae prosiliunt lacrimae.
   Non luget, quisquis laudari, Gellia, quaerit.
Ille dolet vere, qui sine teste dolet.  [I. 33]

M.O.T.S. (as one of our meteorologists used to say)

Thais habet nigros, niveos Laecania dentes.
Quae ratio est?  Emptos haec habet, illa suos.  [V. 43]

And along these same lines:  

Si memini, fuerant tibi quattuor, Aelia, dentes:
Expulit una duos tussis et una duos. 
Jam secura potes totis tussire diebus:
nil istic quod agat tertia tussis agat. [I. 19]

and in a more literary vein:

Sunt bona, sunt quaedam mediocria, sunt mala plura,
Quae legis híc.  Aliter non fit, Avite, liber. [I. 16]

And…

Cur non mitto meos tibi, Pontiliane, libellos?
Ne mihi tu mittas, Pontiliane, tuos.  [VII. 3]

And…

Quem recitas, meus est, O Fidentine, libellus;
sed male cum recitas, incipit esse tuus.  [I. 38]



Much more gently, and perhaps a good encouragement for some:  

Cras te vícturum, cras dicis, Postume, semper. 
Dic mihi, cras istud, Postume, quando venit?
Quam longe cras istud, ubi est?  aut unde petendum?
Numquid apud Parthos Armeniosque latet?  
Jam cras istud habet Priami vel Nestoris annos.  
Cras istud quanti, dic mihi, posset emi? 
Cras vives?  Hodie jam vivere, Postume, serum est:
Ille sapit, quisquis, Postume, vixit heri.  [V. 58] 

These, of course, are among the tamer (and cleaner) of this poet's opera, but should suffice to demonstrate that he didn't have much in common with Catullus.  

Valéte!  


   




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95264 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Today in History - Death of Marcus Antonius
Salvete Omnes,
 
Today in History, August 1st in 30 BC, Marcus Antonius (Marc Antony) fell on his sword to avoid capture after the successful invasion of Egypt by the forces of Octavian:
 
 
 
Valete,
 
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95265 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Today in History - Batavian Rebellion
Salvete Omnes,
 
Today in History, August 1st in 69 AD, the Batavian Rebellion in Germania Inferior under the leadership of Gaius Julius Civilis began:
 
 
 
 
-Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95266 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Salve, et salvete.

I don't meet the minimum service records, otherwise I would certainly throw my hat into the game. Maybe next time, I suppose.

Valete optime
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95267 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Laterensis Apollonio omnibusque S.P.D.

If you're planning to start climbing the Cursus Honorum, I'd suggest starting by volunteering as a Scriba to one of next year's magistrates or else volunteer to serve as a Diribitor.  That'll give you the necessary qualification to run for Quaestor and start your climb.  You'll also learn a lot about how and why things work in a Roman government.  Serving as Diribitor, for example, taught me a lot about how elections worked.  No matter how you choose to serve, I wish you the best of luck.  Nova Roma can only benefit from new citizens running for office.

Di te incolumem custodiant!

C. Decius Laterensis
Flamen Martialis
Legatus Pro Praetore (Provincia Ohio)

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"numeriusapollonius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Salve, et salvete.


I don't meet the minimum service records, otherwise I would certainly throw my hat into the game. Maybe next time, I suppose.

Valete optime
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95268 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Ave,

The service requirements are important.  As Laterensis pointed out there are ways one can serve even if they are new to the community or do not meet the service requirements.  By serving in other venues you gain the skills and knowledge necessary to climb the Cursus Honorum.   From my first year in Nova Roma, back in 1998, I started serving as Quaestor and worked my way up being the first person in almost 1500 years to complete the Cursus Honorum.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95269 From: numeriusapollonius Date: 2015-08-01
Subject: Re: Elections
Salve, C. Deci Laterensis.

Duly noted and will do. Scriba for hire. Will work for peanuts and cashews.

Vale,
Apollonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95270 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Today in History - the Battle of Cannae
Salvete Omnes,
 
Today in History, August 2nd in 216 BC, during the Second Punic War, the Battle of Cannae was fought. The Carthaginian army led by Hannibal defeated the numerically superior Roman forces under the command of Consuls Lucius Aemilius Paulus and Gaius Terentius Varro:
 
 
 
Valete,
 
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95271 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Another Event - Octavian Enters Alexandria Re: [Nova-Roma] Today in
Ave,

Today Octavian entered Alexandria Egypt.  This begins the process of bringing Egypt under the authority of Octavian and by extension the Roman Republic.....Though this territory would become the personal fiefdom of Octavian.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95272 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Re: Today in History - the Battle of Cannae

Salvete Omnes!

 

Thank you for these, Pater Patriae.  This is, as I understand it, one of the ancient battles still studied by students at military colleges.  I do know that once, without really thinking, I mentioned in a group conversation that someone had tried to “Cannae” me (not militarily, of course), and the only person who knew what I meant, and even laughed, was a Cornel in the Army Reserves.

 

Vale et valete Bene!

 

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95273 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-02
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve Iuli,

And please excuse my atrocious Latin.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95274 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Wanting to Relocate
I am looking for a job and willing to relocate to anywhere. I would like to know if anyone could assist a fellow Citizen to archive this. Please comment below.

Thanks


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95275 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Salve, 

Sorry to hear about your need for a new job/living situation. Not sure if this list can be of help to you or not but it's worth a try! Perhaps it could help to post a bit about yourself, where you live now, and job skills you have? Kind of like a resume only without the personal contact info... :)

-Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95276 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Today in History - Tiberius defeats the Dalmatae
Salvete Omnes,
 
 
Today in History, August 3rd in 8 AD, General (and future Emperor) Tiberius defeated the Dalmatae on the river Bathinus:
 
 
 
 
-Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95277 From: Rev. John W. Snow III, CS2(SW), USN Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate

Do you have a degree?

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95278 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Ave,

Thank you so much for posting this!  Hopefully we might be able to help out.  Can you give more information, what kind of work are you looking for or would like to do?  What kind of work history do you have?  College?  Do you have a Resume or a CV?

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95279 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Another event today - August 3rd
Deposed Patriarch of Constantinople Nestorius, considered the originator of Nestorianism, exiled by Byzantine Emperor Theodosius II to a monastery in Egypt.

The early history of Christianity is full of events like this.  Some of the podcasts I have been listening to, especially the History of the Eastern Roman Empire by Robin Pierson have gone into great detail in some of the various conflicts and civil wars within Christianity.  

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95280 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Domus Aurea
Salvete!

There is an interesting article by Federico Gurgone, in the September/October 2015, issue of Archaeology magazine about the Domus Aurea, including several wonderful photos of the interior. 

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95281 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Another event today - August 3rd
Ha! I saw this also, but was like... "That's way outside NR's timeline... "  ;)
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/3/2015 12:20:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95282 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: Re: Another event today - August 3rd
hehehe yeah its a generation but alot of the conflicts that happened ARE within the timeframe. :) besides who doesnt like a little xtian on xtian conflict LOL

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95283 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-03
Subject: August 3 - This day in Roman history
Salvete!

8 AD  ---  Roman Empire general Tiberius defeats the Dalmatae on the river Bathinus.

Valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95284 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve Vedi

Have you read it since I last asked you, cover to cover? If you haven't then your opposition to unnamed parts of it is absurd. If you can't simply read the thing and then articulate which points you actually disagree with, and evidence why, then what is the point in stating your opposition in the first place? That appears to be a very shallow method of "analysis".

Vale
Caesar


From: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Iuli,

And please excuse my atrocious Latin.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95285 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Salvete Omnes,
 
On this day in Roman History, August 8th in 70 AD,  Roman forces under the future Emperor Titus destroyed the Second Temple of Jerusalem during the first Roman-Jewish war:
 
 
 
 
The Arch of Titus commemorating the event still stands in Rome:
 
 
 
-Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95286 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Report of the CP session - July 2768 a.U.c


SALVETE!


QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS.

This is the Collegium Pontificum session report:

The Collegium Pontificum was called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Kal Quint 2768 a.U.c (Tuesday 30 June 2015) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Quint 2768 a.U.c (Tuesday, 14 July 2015).

The session schedule was:

Contio:

Started with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Kal Quint 2768 a.U.c (Tuesday 30 June 2015) until 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on Non. Quint. 2768 a.U.c (Tuesday, 7 July 2015).

Vote:

Started with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VI Id Quint 2768 a.U.c (Friday 10 July 2015) and ends at 18.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Quint 2768 a.U.c (Tuesday, 14 July 2015).

Proxy were not assigned during the contio.

The following collegium members did not vote therefore are recorded as absents:

- Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (QCMPP)

- M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)

- Q. Vipsanius Agrippa (QVA)

The following collegium member do not vote in sessions:

- M' Titinius Silvanus.

The session result:

Item: Election of the secretary of the Collegium Pontificum.

Cn. Iulius Caesar is elected as secretary of the Collegium Pontificum for the second semester of the year 2015, with the rights and obligations stipulated in Decretum pontificum de pontifice ab oficiis.


Result: Cn. Iulius Caesar was elected as secretary of the collegium.


Details:


TIS: Uti rogas. My thanks to Caesar for his dedication to continue performing the job.

CnCL: Yes.

CMC: Uti Rogas.

CnIC: Uti rogas.

CDL: Uti Rogas.
MPC - Uti rogas.

QFM: UTI ROGAS.


QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS.


VALETE,

T. Iulius Sabinus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95287 From: Mary Morken Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Salvete,

Aka the event that was talked about in Revelation and by Jesus
throughout the Gospels...Very interesting.

Lucia Maria Atella

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95288 From: marikunin Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: adding to my nova roma profile

Salvete! 

Hope I'm posting on the right thing. Anyway, I wanted to add a photo and change some info on my Nova Roma profile-how would I go about doing that?

-Lucia Maria Atella

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95289 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: adding to my nova roma profile
Salve, Atella!

You may log in to your profile and account by first getting to your page in the Album Civium, via novaroma.org/civitas/album .  Then, in the upper right corner, log in using your citizenship ID number.  Then go to "my account" where you will be able to initiate changes.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:27:44 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] adding to my nova roma profile

 

Salvete! 
Hope I'm posting on the right thing. Anyway, I wanted to add a photo and change some info on my Nova Roma profile-how would I go about doing that?
-Lucia Maria Atella

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95290 From: D. Gratius Ludovicus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Am 04.08.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Mary Morken girlwatershaman@... [Nova-Roma]:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95291 From: Ty Sponchia Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: fishing
 Salve,

As I live in the middle of the ocean I decided to try fishing " Roman" style. I have never been much of a net caster so I went on line and bought ( Ebay ) a couple estimated 1 AD Roman Fish Hooks and took them to the local smith and had them reproduced.

I attached them to hemp rope, 50lb and went fishing; I used my 34' SeaRay. I baited with chucks of squid and some Aka and waited.

This style of fishing is much the same as Hawaiian which I do at night for Big Eye Tuna. just with no floats.

Eventually I hooked a nice 63 lbs Ahi which was a nice fight. The 2nd Ahi slipped the hook as did the 3rd , 4th all the way to the 6th.  Modern Hooks are much nicer.

Eventually I hooked a nice fat Ahi; well over 100 pounds.  She kept running and I kept hand lining her in, I have 300 yards of hemp line to play with. As I was getting tired I decide to rest and tied off the line to give my arms a break.  Long story short, lost the fish; She straightened that cast iron hook when she decided she had had enough.

It was a great day all told with much beer drunk, so I decided to spend the night. I hooked up my rods and went and had a nap.

If anyone has some advice on Roman Fishing please let me know. I cannot find much on the internet but I am sure somewhere some Roman went hey, put a float on that line to rest.

Titus Sicinius Lupis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95292 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: fishing

Salve Lupe!

 

Sounds like a fun time!  I rather suspect a Roman fisherman substituted a younger male family member or a slave to perform the functions of a float .. but I could be wrong, LOL!  Of course, if you fish Roman style, you’ll  be required to prepare it Roman style too …and we will want that recipe, please!

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95293 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: fishing
Salve! 

Sounds like a wonderful experiment, and a damn fun time.

Unfortunately I can't offer any practical advice, but it's fascinating to hear about all the little ways we find to bring ancient Rome back to life.

Great fish story. :-)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95294 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Publicity submitted on behalf of C. Aurelius Vindex.
[Publicity approved by the censores for NR merchant.]


DISCOUNT VACATION WITH NOVA ROMA 

Pay your NR membership fee and spend your vacation in our Eternal City, staying near Rome at a discount price, at the Dea Diana Bed and Breakfast. Read more on the NR website:


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95295 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Ave Lentulus,

You can put the part about we Censors approving the message in the fine print.  That's why fine print has been invented. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95296 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Lentulus Sullae sal.

It was put in the brackets, the second line of my message (I can't write fine print in yahoo mail). 

Vale!


Da: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave Lentulus,

You can put the part about we Censors approving the message in the fine print.  That's why fine print has been invented. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:35 PM, 'Cn. Cornelius Lentulus' cn_corn_lent@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95297 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: Visit Rome with discount accommodation for NR taxpayers
Ave,

I mean you can put it on the very bottom of the email.  :)  To make it as inconspicuous as possible.  

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95298 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Roman Game on sale
Ave!

I just found another Game on sale from Steam.  This is on sale for 75% off.


It is called Grand Ages:  Rome.

I have yet to play this game, but I am buying it today.  

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95299 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
I might look into that one, though I've never been a huge fan of strategy games.  I'm waiting for Ryse: Son of Rome to go on sale.

https://store.steampowered.com/mobileapp/302510/

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova_roma_]" <Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com sale

 

Ave!

I just found another Game on sale from Steam.  This is on sale for 75% off.


It is called Grand Ages:  Rome.

I have yet to play this game, but I am buying it today.  

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95300 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: a great book about Byzantium
Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I know this is way beyond our timeline of interest, but for anyone also
interested in the Eastern Empire, or the 11th Century in what is now the
Middle East, I this may be of more than passing interest.

Strategos (Unabridged) (Audible.com)
________________________________________

Author: Gordon Doherty
Narrator:
Nigel Carrington

This is a multi-layered novel set in the borderlands of the Byzantine Empire
(a modern appellation, since the Byzantines, although by this time
thoroughly Greek, considered themselves the true Roman Empire .and honored
those ancient Western roots, in nostalgia if not practice. Although I know
far less about this place and time than I do others, the history seems
impeccably accurate, and the depth and specificity of detail lead me to
believe that this book was thoroughly and intelligently researched.

I'll admit to having a bit of a hard time reading it, had to read it in bits
.but not because it was boring or uninteresting, or sloppily written. Just
the opposite is true, actually. It was almost too detailed, too rich .to
absorbing, and I found that I couldn't just read it .I had to stop,
assimilate, consider, and let my mind range through its reactions to each of
the multiple layers.

First, there is the setting. It is so vividly portrayed and placed in its
time, that I responded to it with all senses. I could *feel* the grit and
the heat. I could *hear* the battle horns, the shouts, and the other
terrible noises of war. I could *smell* the warm bread and the less
pleasant scents of any Medieval city ..and the stench of the battlefields.
I could *taste* the drink made from almonds and yogurt and honey, and the
wine, and the honey cakes, and I could *touch* everything. In other words,
this setting is a sensual feast, and a banquet of rich experiences, indeed.

Then there are the characters. Each of them, on both sides of this terrible
centuries long conflict is not just well drawn, but intensely human, even
the villains and the bit players. I found myself identifying with some,
aching for them and caring about them, and absolutely hating others, wanting
to see them be served a very large helping of very hot vengeance. Even the
minor characters, many of who one sees in books about armies, are unique
enough not to be one dimensional stock characters. There is the grouch, who
has served so long he is cynical, impatient with new recruits and churlish
.until is fighting back to back with one of them. There is the drunkard,
whose main source of enjoyment involves strong drink and compliant ladies
.until the enemy stands in his way, for example.

Then, there is something else. This is a brutal tale about a truly brutal
time, and it impacted me on all levels, because the brutality wasn't just
physical, but emotional and spiritual as well. This land .this cradle of
civilization has been a war zone for thousands of years .and the issues
fought over are little different today than they were at the time of Christ,
or even long before. Such constant upheaval, especially where diametrically
opposed peoples, such as Byzantine Christians and passionate Islamic
adherents met, created (and still create) upheavals of every sort, from
clashing armies to devastated families and destroyed psyches and beleaguered
souls. All of that is in this book, too .and I found myself considering how
complex we are, how our beliefs affect us, and how, sometimes, we have to
make choices that wrench us to the very essence of our being. Almost every
major character in this book made such choices, and those choices had severe
repercussions on every character.

No, this isn't an easy book to read. It confronts the brutality of war and
the brutality of man directly, and without flinching ..but it does so so
very skillfully that, like a cobra readying for a strike, the reader is
fascinated, and cannot step away .and in my opinion, should not, because
these things are also a part of what we are.

The narrator was absolutely perfect for this book. He read with expression
an skill, and had absolutely NO problem with the many specialized words and
names to be found here. In addition, he just has the "right" voice for this
book, and helps bring it into even more vibrant life, at least for me.

I'm not fond of rating books, but I will be giving this book and this
narrator 5, and would give more, if I could. Did I "like" it? No .but I
found it one of those book experiences that will stay with me for a *very*
long time, and it has, via its excellence, had a profound effect on me, so I
value it, highly.


.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95301 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-04
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
I am waiting for that to go on sale too....its on my wishlist. :)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95302 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Alas, don't get your hopes too high about Ryse.  Don't get me wrong, it has its fun moments but is most certainly an ahistorical hack and slash.

Have it on the Xbox One, Day One Edition (...it's Rome.  I had to buy it!  Before I even had the console!)

-Titus Domitius Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95303 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Declaration of candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
Salvete Omnes,

It was long ago that I served Nova Roma as tribune of plebs, but I have been active in the provincial level for years, and I helped to build Nova Roma in Pannonia. It has come to my attention that Nova Roma needs candidates for curule aedile and there is a shortage of volunteers. Now that I have more time to be involved on international level, I think it is the right time to contribute to Nova Roma on the international level. I announced my candidacy to the Consul. I paid my taxes in time and match all requirements. 

I hope I can be a valuable assistance to international Nova Roma.

Valete,
Quintus Arrius Nauta 
ID 10737
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95304 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Election of junior Consul
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus in foro s.p.d.


This is a call for candidates for the open Consul position, to be elected by the Comitia Centuriata.


Anyone wishing to run for Consul must send an email to:


with the subject "Consul candidate" and with the following information:

- Your Nova Roman name
- Your Nova Roma citizen number
- Your age

The call for candidates is open from today, Friday, 31 July 2015, to Thursday, 6 August 2015. The final list of candidates will be posted in the Main List no later than noon Rome Time on Friday, 7 August 2015.

Consul - 1 position
The minimum requirements are:
Must be at least 30 years old
Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (tax payer).
Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 4 years.
Must have previously held the position of Praetor, or Tribune of the Plebs for at least 6 months, or Provincial Governor for at least 3 years, or Senator for one year.

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95305 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Election of Curule Aedile
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus in foro s.p.d.


This is a call for candidates for the two open Curule Aedile positions, to be elected by the Comitia Populi.


Anyone wishing to run for Curule Aedile must send an email to:


with the subject "Aedile candidate" and with the following information:

- Your Nova Roman name
- Your Nova Roma citizen number
- Your age

The call for candidates is open from today, Friday, 31 July 2015, to Thursday, 6 August 2015. The final list of candidates will be posted in the Main List no later than noon Rome Time on Friday, 7 August 2015.

Curulis Aedilis – 2 positions
The minimum requirements are:
Must be at least 25 years old
Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax payer).
Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 2 years.
Must have previously held the position of Plebeian Aedile, Provincial Governor, Quaestor or a Senator for at least 6 months.

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95306 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Elections to begin soon
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus in foro s.p.d.

Having received favorable auspices, the Comita Centuriata and Comitia Populi Tributa will be summoned with an official announcement shortly. Contio will begin on 8 August 2015.
 
As presiding magistrate of the Comitia Centuriata, I plan to exercise paragraph II.a.iv.3 of lex Cornelia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum to accept candidates for the position of consul through the first 48 hours of the contio. I urge all citizens who meet the qualifications to submit your name to me before 10 August 2015. So far, no one has written to me expressing a desire to run. It is extremely important for our res publica to have two consuls.
 
One final reminder:
 
Candidates --- please refrain from making campaign announcements or announcing your candidacy until contio begins and the initial list of officially accepted candidates is announced in the fora by the presiding magistrate.

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95307 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Official Summons of the Comitia Centuriata
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

I summon the Comitia Centuriata to gather in the official fora in three days time, beginning on Saturday, 8 August 2015, in order to elect a Consul to fill the open seat and ensure I have a colleague for the remainder of the year. An official call to order will be made at 6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015.
 
As of this date, no candidates have presented themselves and no one has expressed an interest in running for the open Consul seat, which saddens me greatly.
The schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015

Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during contio:
 
    13 August 2015 - Id. Sex. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Feriae Iovi
    14 August 2015 - a.d. XIX Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies Ater
 
Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during the voting period and the cista will be closed to prevent voting on these dates:
 
    17 August 2015 - a.d. XVI Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Portunalia
    19 August 2015 - a.d. XIV Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies FP - Vinalia Rustica
    21 August 2015 - a.d. XII Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Consualia
    23 August 2015 - a.d. X Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Volcanalia
    25 August 2015 - a.d. VIII Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Opiconsivia
    27 August 2015 - a.d. VI Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Volturnalia
 
The voting will be held using the cista through the album civium. Ludi may be conducted on one or more of the festival dates when the cista is closed as Vinalia Rustica, Consualia, Volcanalia, Opiconsivia and Volturnalia are officially recognized festivals in Alasca et Havaia.

Since there are currently no candidates for Consul, and we need to fill this seat, I will exercise the power granted in lex Cornelia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum to accept candidates for the open Consul seat during the first 48 hours of contio. Any citizen who meets the legal requirements for the position of Consul and wishing to submit their name as a candidate should send an email to caninus@... with the following information:
 
    Subject: Consul candidate
    Nova Roman name
    Nova Roma Citizen Number (if known)
    Legal Age
 
I will accept candidates for Consul until 6:00 AM on Monday, 10 August 2015.

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95308 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Atellae Ludovicus Macrae s.p.d

The majority of the bible was written long after certain events.

Vale
Macra


------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95309 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
Atellae Ludovicus Macrae s.p.d

The majority of the bible was written long after certain events.

Vale
Macra


------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95310 From: Mary Morken Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Today in History - Destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem
That's true. More reason to go into ministry in my books.
History/religion is so fascinating.

On 8/5/15, alicia mann xai776@... [Nova-Roma]
<Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95311 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: a great book about Byzantium
Ave,

I would be most interested in reading this novel.  Please post the following information:
1. Title of Book
2. Name of author.
3. Publisher.
4. ISBN.

Thank you.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus



On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:05 PM, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I know this is way beyond our timeline of interest, but for anyone also
interested in the Eastern Empire, or the 11th Century in what is now the
Middle East, I this may be of more than passing interest.

Strategos (Unabridged) (Audible.com)
________________________________________

Author: Gordon Doherty
Narrator:
Nigel Carrington

This is a multi-layered novel set in the borderlands of the Byzantine Empire
(a modern appellation, since the Byzantines, although by this time
thoroughly Greek, considered themselves the true Roman Empire .and honored
those ancient Western roots, in nostalgia if not practice. Although I know
far less about this place and time than I do others, the history seems
impeccably accurate, and the depth and specificity of detail lead me to
believe that this book was thoroughly and intelligently researched.

I'll admit to having a bit of a hard time reading it, had to read it in bits
.but not because it was boring or uninteresting, or sloppily written. Just
the opposite is true, actually. It was almost too detailed, too rich .to
absorbing, and I found that I couldn't just read it .I had to stop,
assimilate, consider, and let my mind range through its reactions to each of
the multiple layers.

First, there is the setting. It is so vividly portrayed and placed in its
time, that I responded to it with all senses. I could *feel* the grit and
the heat. I could *hear* the battle horns, the shouts, and the other
terrible noises of war. I could *smell* the warm bread and the less
pleasant scents of any Medieval city ..and the stench of the battlefields.
I could *taste* the drink made from almonds and yogurt and honey, and the
wine, and the honey cakes, and I could *touch* everything. In other words,
this setting is a sensual feast, and a banquet of rich experiences, indeed.

Then there are the characters. Each of them, on both sides of this terrible
centuries long conflict is not just well drawn, but intensely human, even
the villains and the bit players. I found myself identifying with some,
aching for them and caring about them, and absolutely hating others, wanting
to see them be served a very large helping of very hot vengeance. Even the
minor characters, many of who one sees in books about armies, are unique
enough not to be one dimensional stock characters. There is the grouch, who
has served so long he is cynical, impatient with new recruits and churlish
.until is fighting back to back with one of them. There is the drunkard,
whose main source of enjoyment involves strong drink and compliant ladies
.until the enemy stands in his way, for example.

Then, there is something else. This is a brutal tale about a truly brutal
time, and it impacted me on all levels, because the brutality wasn't just
physical, but emotional and spiritual as well. This land .this cradle of
civilization has been a war zone for thousands of years .and the issues
fought over are little different today than they were at the time of Christ,
or even long before. Such constant upheaval, especially where diametrically
opposed peoples, such as Byzantine Christians and passionate Islamic
adherents met, created (and still create) upheavals of every sort, from
clashing armies to devastated families and destroyed psyches and beleaguered
souls. All of that is in this book, too .and I found myself considering how
complex we are, how our beliefs affect us, and how, sometimes, we have to
make choices that wrench us to the very essence of our being. Almost every
major character in this book made such choices, and those choices had severe
repercussions on every character.

No, this isn't an easy book to read. It confronts the brutality of war and
the brutality of man directly, and without flinching ..but it does so so
very skillfully that, like a cobra readying for a strike, the reader is
fascinated, and cannot step away .and in my opinion, should not, because
these things are also a part of what we are.

The narrator was absolutely perfect for this book. He read with expression
an skill, and had absolutely NO problem with the many specialized words and
names to be found here. In addition, he just has the "right" voice for this
book, and helps bring it into even more vibrant life, at least for me.

I'm not fond of rating books, but I will be giving this book and this
narrator 5, and would give more, if I could. Did I "like" it? No .but I
found it one of those book experiences that will stay with me for a *very*
long time, and it has, via its excellence, had a profound effect on me, so I
value it, highly.

.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95312 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: fishing
Ave,

It sounds to me as though you were quite successful, though perhaps exhausted by your experience at Roman fishing.   Congratulations.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus



On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:17 PM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve! 

Sounds like a wonderful experiment, and a damn fun time.

Unfortunately I can't offer any practical advice, but it's fascinating to hear about all the little ways we find to bring ancient Rome back to life.

Great fish story. :-)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Ty Sponchia muskegcorner@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95313 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave  Omnes,

If I might politely interject a thought.  Political (and social) discourse lends itself easily to the heat of the moment.   It is at such moments when one should step back before instantly inserting incivility or hostility into the exchange.  For Nova Roma to continue to prosper, civility is a critical component of discussion.   In that regard, personal attacks and unnecessarily sharp retorts should always be avoided, notwithstanding the temptation.   This can be a challenge for strong personages.

Vale optime,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore, Province of Texia  




On Sunday, August 2, 2015 7:36 PM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Iuli,

And please excuse my atrocious Latin.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95314 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: a great book about Byzantium

Salve Augustine et Salvete omnes!

 

Although I posted much of what you have asked for in my original review, here is a link that will take you to the Amazon Kindle site that offers this book.  They also provide information on other formats, so I’m can sure you can find what you need here.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Strategos-Born-Borderlands-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B006LPQZ52/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1438789212&sr=1-1&keywords=Strategos

 

Vale Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95315 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: More on the book Strategos
Salvete Omnes!

I just learned that the book I reviewed is the first book in a trilogy!
Yes, I just acquired the other 2, and they are awaiting my pleasure on my
Kindle!

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95316 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: More on the book Strategos
Ave,

Cool it is now on my list. :)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95317 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Ave,

Would it work on the XBox 360?  I don't have the Xbox One.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95318 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Caesar sal.

Actually, Nova Roma has been at its most vibrant, engaged and alive in the middle of heated discourse, when everyone on all sides brought the typographic equivalent of stones (Sulla carries a whole bag of these around and discharge them like a Glock  <lol  
Ave  Omnes,

If I might politely interject a thought.  Political (and social) discourse lends itself easily to the heat of the moment.   It is at such moments when one should step back before instantly inserting incivility or hostility into the exchange.  For Nova Roma to continue to prosper, civility is a critical component of discussion.   In that regard, personal attacks and unnecessarily sharp retorts should always be avoided, notwithstanding the temptation.   This can be a challenge for strong personages.

Vale optime,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore, Province of Texia  




On Sunday, August 2, 2015 7:36 PM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Iuli,

And please excuse my atrocious Latin.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95319 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

Well, I do own one!  Hahaha

I think it's fairly simple, if someone has complaints about Caesar's excellent document the should be specific and state what those issues are.  However, if your complaint is that the document is just too long to read, most of us who have been here and fought the fight to keep NR....Nova Roma instead of the Dictatorship of Marinus....we will likely end up ignoring you.  And, you will have no one to blame but yourself for being ignored as irrelevant.

Nova Roma, like it or not, is more stable, more secure and less under threat from people who exercise authority, power and responsibility.  The monies in the treasury, which I frankly view even more important than the state is safe and not under any threat of being looted, which was a major concern under the faction that lost the civil war.

So, if anyone has any disagreements with Caesar's document - lets have it.  I'm all game in discussing it, I have been involved in every phase of its drafting and publishing and there were parts that I had to be sold on because they seemed, well too new, at the time.  After discussing them I was convinced.  If you are open to being convinced then this is the perfect opportunity to have the originator explain it.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95320 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salvete omnes!

Just wondering if anyone in and around New Jersey would be interested in getting together for a convivium sometime next month? Nothing too fancy, just a chance to get together and get to know each other. 

If there's enough interest, I'll be happy to set something up. Just want to see some real-world stuff happening locally.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95321 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salve, Germanicus

I tried something like that in July. If I'm able to drive next month, I would stop down though I don't live in Jersey.

Vale,
Macra

------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95322 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salve, Vedi!

Please keep me posted.  I have relatives in Jersey and visit a few times every year.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Convivium in New Jersey?

 

Salvete omnes!

Just wondering if anyone in and around New Jersey would be interested in getting together for a convivium sometime next month? Nothing too fancy, just a chance to get together and get to know each other. 

If there's enough interest, I'll be happy to set something up. Just want to see some real-world stuff happening locally.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95323 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Ave,

I know it wont be until next year sometime, but I will be in Maryland with Paulinus's brother to sort out Bank of America.  I would like to try to meet you, Vedius, and others....it will be my first visit back east since 2010 when I met Cassius, Valerianus and others.   It would be outstanding to meet you and others as well.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95324 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salve!

That would be wonderful. It would be nice to finally meet face to face after so many years.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95325 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Avete Omnes,

Just as an addendum for my post there are a couple of points I would like to make.  If we do decide to debate Caesar's plan then I would like to ensure that any comments, concerns and criticisms that are made are taken respectfully and in the words of Petrus, "....without inserting incivility or hostility into the exchange."  I know I have been guilty of doing this in the past way too much and amice, Caesar, it does you no credit given the hours, weeks and months you spent on developing the plan.   The goal is ultimately to implement the plan, right?  We are getting closer to the stage when it all can be implemented.  In addition, given the fact that Nova Roma is growing (G-d I loathe the title of this thread as it is not true).  We should take steps on our own to not alienate any new citizen who has not yet been exposed to the turbulence of Nova Roma's past main thread conversations.  Germanicus, Patre Patriae is absolutely right on one thing it behooves us to try to keep the ML from devolving into the insult prone, ufc boxing match that it was back in 2008-2010.  

So, I say here and now, to everyone, I will do the best I can to ensure that any personality conflict that I have will be set aside to ensure that the plan has the most complete and honest airing it can.  I will do this via every medium I have at my disposal.  If it helps to ensure the smooth passage - NR Wins.  If it fails because of substantive criticism so be it.  But, if it wins new converts to support the plan - NR wins.  Thusly if anyone is concerned that voicing any type of criticism will result in a volcano eruption from myself or others, I promise to do everything I can to prevent that.  

I will do my best to keep to the content and will do my best to ensure those who debate the plan, do the same.  For the good of the Main List and for the benefit of Nova Roma.  For, this is why we are all here.  

Most Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95326 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave,

As I was driving back home, I had an epiphany to just start the discussion now.

I have a copy of the plan so if anyone does not have it, just email me @ robert.woolwine@... and I will email it to you.


To begin this discussion we will focus on chapters.  At first we will focus on the Introduction and the first chapter.  From pages 1 to 11.  This way we can digest these chunks in smaller more manageable pieces.

Please post questions, concerns, suggestions, etc.  

My hope is that after the end of this process we will be less confusion, more acceptance and a greater understanding of the rationale for this plan and how it will work if and when adopted by Nova Roma.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95327 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Official Summons of the Comitia Populi Tributa
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

I summon the Comitia Populi Tributa to gather in the official fora in two days time, beginning on Saturday, 8 August 2015, in order to elect two Curule Aediles. An official call to order will be made at 6:00 AM Rome Time on Saturday, 8 August 2015.
 
As of this date, three candidates have presented themselves.

The schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015

Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during contio:
 
    13 August 2015 - Id. Sex. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Feriae Iovi
    14 August 2015 - a.d. XIX Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies Ater
 
Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during the voting period and the cista will be closed to prevent voting on these dates:
 
    17 August 2015 - a.d. XVI Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Portunalia
    19 August 2015 - a.d. XIV Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies FP - Vinalia Rustica
    21 August 2015 - a.d. XII Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Consualia
    23 August 2015 - a.d. X Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Volcanalia
    25 August 2015 - a.d. VIII Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Opiconsivia
    27 August 2015 - a.d. VI Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Volturnalia
 
The voting will be held using the cista through the album civium. Ludi may be conducted on one or more of the festival dates when the cista is closed as Vinalia Rustica, Consualia, Volcanalia, Opiconsivia and Volturnalia are officially recognized festivals in Alasca et Havaia.

Any citizen who meets the legal requirements for the position of Curule Aedile and wishing to submit their name as a candidate should send an email to caninus@... with the following information:
 
    Subject: Aedile candidate
    Nova Roman name
    Nova Roma Citizen Number (if known)
    Legal Age
 
I will accept candidates for Curule Aedile until 3:00 AM Rome Time on Friday, 7 August 2015. I plan to post the list of candidates in the fora no later than noon Rome Time on Friday, 7 August 2015.

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95328 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salvete,
Quick question:
If a "convivium" is a meeting; what is a CONVEVANCE?
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave,

I know it wont be until next year sometime, but I will be in Maryland with Paulinus's brother to sort out Bank of America.  I would like to try to meet you, Vedius, and others....it will be my first visit back east since 2010 when I met Cassius, Valerianus and others.   It would be outstanding to meet you and others as well.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95329 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-05
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Wouldn't that be an easement? 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95330 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Salve!  

I'd be glad to participate.  I'd just need at least two weeks heads up to get off from work to attend.

Sulla, I wish you both luck.  I've never used Bank of America but I've never heard anything positive about them.

Ave,
Titus Domitius Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95331 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Salve,

Unfortunately I don't believe they released it on the Xbox 360.  

Just looked, nope, PC and Xbox One only.  

With how integrated it'll be with Windows 10, you should consider upgrading consoles within the next year or so.  Will even be able to stream games and apps from the Xbox One to PC.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95332 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
I am a Nigerian and currently living there too.I have a diploma certificate in Chemical and Polymer Engineering but wont mind any type of job to keep body and soul together.I have experience in marketing and i once work in a microfinance bank which my salary is not even up to $200 in a month. I am willing to do any type of job so far its NOT ILLEGAL and i can build my Family on. PLEASE PEOPLE HELP A FELLOW CITIZEN OUT.

Thanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95333 From: antondude007 Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
i have a diploma certificate in chemical and polymer Engineering SIR...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95334 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve amice

Almost no one is at risk of having a typographical rock dropped on their head by me, with the exception of those that by dint of their tenure in Nova Roma should know better than to "debate" something with me on the basis of "I don't like it because I am me, therefore what I say should carry weight". Yes Vedius, I am looking at you. Comments from someone like that in that vein will not escape a rock-on-the- head response because, amazingly in Vedius' case, he still might carry some "influence" here, so he does not get a pass to say whatever thought incubates in his head as a result of random neuron firing (I assume it is some sort of disorder as he cannot evidence his opposition rationally or indeed with any evidence).

I am not here for credit, plaudits, or to be liked. I am here to explain what is wrong with Nova Roma, why it came to be so, and what we can do to fix it. I will tolerate people hating it, disagreeing using evidence to support their position, plain ignorance of the facts (due to newness in NR), and deal with all that with a cheerful note here and there, but there is a line which I will NOT tolerate to be crossed. Vedius crossed it.

As for ensuring the ML remains nicely polite, and dead, if that is our Romulus' wish then maybe he can avoid the sort of asinine behaviour he exhibited in relation to my document. His position and history in NR does not entitle him to behave however he likes, without a caustic response. Sorry - he does NOT get a pass.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

Just as an addendum for my post there are a couple of points I would like to make.  If we do decide to debate Caesar's plan then I would like to ensure that any comments, concerns and criticisms that are made are taken respectfully and in the words of Petrus, "....without inserting incivility or hostility into the exchange."  I know I have been guilty of doing this in the past way too much and amice, Caesar, it does you no credit given the hours, weeks and months you spent on developing the plan.   The goal is ultimately to implement the plan, right?  We are getting closer to the stage when it all can be implemented.  In addition, given the fact that Nova Roma is growing (G-d I loathe the title of this thread as it is not true).  We should take steps on our own to not alienate any new citizen who has not yet been exposed to the turbulence of Nova Roma's past main thread conversations.  Germanicus, Patre Patriae is absolutely right on one thing it behooves us to try to keep the ML from devolving into the insult prone, ufc boxing match that it was back in 2008-2010.  

So, I say here and now, to everyone, I will do the best I can to ensure that any personality conflict that I have will be set aside to ensure that the plan has the most complete and honest airing it can.  I will do this via every medium I have at my disposal.  If it helps to ensure the smooth passage - NR Wins.  If it fails because of substantive criticism so be it.  But, if it wins new converts to support the plan - NR wins.  Thusly if anyone is concerned that voicing any type of criticism will result in a volcano eruption from myself or others, I promise to do everything I can to prevent that.  

I will do my best to keep to the content and will do my best to ensure those who debate the plan, do the same.  For the good of the Main List and for the benefit of Nova Roma.  For, this is why we are all here.  

Most Respectfully,

Sulla



On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95335 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave Amice,

I understand where you are coming from.  I just want to do everything possible to keep the conversation focused on the big picture, which is the plan getting adopted and away from side issues which are irrelevant when compared to the importance of the plan....I am doing my part here to keep the topic focused to the plan.  I started a thread to begin the discussion of The intro and chapter 1.  If there are no questions within about 96 hours from now (this will give 5 days and the preponderance of the weekend) I will move on to the next chapter   This way the ML and BA (I have included the BA since it is by default the most active list in NR - for those who questioned about its inclusion).  

Amice, I am doing my best to keep to my word to keep the topic focused on the plan.  I ask you as my best friend in Nova Roma to help me in this endeavor.  

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95336 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Wanting to Relocate
Ave,

There are lots of jobs in Arizona.  Metellus,Tink and I have a history of helping Nova Romans move out to Arizona in the past with successful results in those endeavor.

I imagine the issues become much more complicated when one is moving outside of the United States.  If you do not mind can you contact me off list so we can communicate further to discuss the issues involved.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95337 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Ave Draco,

Thanks for checking that for me.  I am holding off on upgrading to Win 10 right now because it seems to be more of a ransomware vs an OS upgrade.  I hope some of those issues will be resolved or addressed by Microsoft soon.  However, the thought of streaming games from Xbox One to PC (and vice versa, I hope) does make that a damn tempting offer given the amount of games I do have on my pc from Steam and others.  I hope that streaming games will expand from just Xbox One to other gaming platforms like Playstation and even Nintendo....but that is probably wishful thinking.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95338 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Ave,

Thanks, Draco, I personally loathe the Bank of Italy (aka Bank of America) and I do not use them for my personal banking, but this is where NR has had it's banking....so we shall do our best to soldier on to get this all resolved. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95339 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve amice,

Of course, but again let me be clear, if someone swans in on the basis of:

"Hello, its me!! I'm back again! Oh, a report. Hmmm its rather long and this might tax my neurons, I think I will simply punch holes in it on the basis I am "ME" and I don't like it. There! Done! That should kill it off. Next?"

Well that does not get a pass because people may think that given his past and foundation status etc. etc. etc., that he actually has rationally considered this document and has (a) read it and (b) come to evidenced based decisions on its merits, based in turn on (a) being true. Clearly when he dribbled all that thinly veiled hostility to it out, he had NOT read it. That level of asinine response does not get a pass.

Let me sum it up thus. Vedius is either:

(1) Suffering from a typographical equivalent of Tourette Syndrome - where he stabs wildly, and in an uncontrolled fashion, at the keyboard and dribble flows out

(2) Is a harmless buffoon who just doesn't like it because it taxed his attention span, by being 'too long" 

(3) Is using his standing and position (whatever is left of it after imitating a revolving door so often in NR) to kill this off, simply because he doesn't like the concept and uses the devious approach of trading on the shreds of his position to make it seem as though his is a condiered and rational evidence based approach. It is none of those.

None of the above reflect well on the man. He does NOT get a pass amice.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave Amice,

I understand where you are coming from.  I just want to do everything possible to keep the conversation focused on the big picture, which is the plan getting adopted and away from side issues which are irrelevant when compared to the importance of the plan....I am doing my part here to keep the topic focused to the plan.  I started a thread to begin the discussion of The intro and chapter 1.  If there are no questions within about 96 hours from now (this will give 5 days and the preponderance of the weekend) I will move on to the next chapter   This way the ML and BA (I have included the BA since it is by default the most active list in NR - for those who questioned about its inclusion).  

Amice, I am doing my best to keep to my word to keep the topic focused on the plan.  I ask you as my best friend in Nova Roma to help me in this endeavor.  

Respectfully,

Sulla



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95340 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?

Salve Sulla et Salvete Omnes!

 

Oh …it could be worse ..it could be Wells Fargo!  Count our blessings, LOL!

 

Vale et valete!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95341 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave Amice,

We have had each others back for over 10 years in Nova Roma and specifically since I came back from the dead, and you are my best and most trusted friend in Nova Roma.  We have been together lock step working to protect Nova Roma against people who wished to do Her arm.  I have your back as you have always had mine. That is not ever going to change!  
 
Over the course of our conversations I understand your concerns and I know where you are coming from.  All I am asking is to try to alter the thinking from a personal realm to focus on the substantive content of the plan.   It does not help in getting the plan aired out, discussed and adopted (I know I am repetitive).

  I will say this, I have been rather impressed that Vedius has not responded as he (and I) would have if this had been say 10 years ago. :) He has been doing a good job of trying to follow the Virture of Comitas as he mentioned in the BA.  However, now that I have started the threads to get the substantive content of the plan discussed we will be able to see if there is any actual criticism of the plan.  He told me he read it.  Now by taking the conversation chapter by chapter anyone who has any concern will have their opportunity to voice their support, concern or criticism of the plan and we will be able to see if individuals actually have read the plan.  I am looking forward to having an ongoing competent and substantive discussion on how the plan will be implemented, the merits and advantages of the plan as well as hearing the concerns of citizens who might not understand all of the working components (something I had a hard time grasping at first.)  Now is the time for the plan to take center stage and for personalities (all of our personalities) to take a back seat.

 Amice, I know you think that Vedius is trying to kill the plan by virtue of him being Pater patriae and his previous standing in NR - amice, I just do not see that happening.  I would like to hope that Vedius is being sincere about being willing to discuss the plan when he feels he isn't being personally attacked.  Let's see if that is the case, I take him at his word.  Now that said, I am more concerned about the personal conflict between you and Vedius more of a threat to getting the plan passed.  Remember when I fired Lentulus for acting against his boss during my consulship - Lentulus still lost.  See what I mean?  The merits of the plan are, IMHO, most important than any personal dislike.  I might be blind in regards to this, but I know this, I am getting emailed by people who actually want the plan.  The plan is being discussed and on the merits of the plan it will either be adopted or not.  

So, please, I respectfully,lets focus on the merits of the plan. :)

Most Respecfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95342 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
LOL!!!!

Oh I dont know I actually have to FLY back east to get this fixed.... :(  I cant just go into my local branch to fix this...oh no...dumbass bank of Italy!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95343 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Avete Omnes,

Does anyone have any questions with regard to this part of the plan?  I know much of this section is review of NR's turbulent history.  This is a rather unpleasant process to have to recall less than enjoyable times but it is sometimes important that we do look back to make sure we do not repeat those same mistakes.  Plus, there are other reasons as well, Our finances, Nova Roma has about $30,000 in the bank and in paypal.  Nova Roma has assets that go beyond our outdated website, our secure domain and content.  We actually have money that will eventually be used to strengthen the organization and develop new members to our organization. 

The plan sets the stage where we can develop an internal economy, something that NR has wanted to do but we have never really figured out beyond approving merchants and then stepping back and let them wither due to a near hands off policy.  Just recently we, the Censors, are allowing more interaction by allowing advertisements from approved businesses on the ML and other venues.

We also developed a way to deal with some of the foundational conflicts within the requirements of the State and Federal government vs the Roman-ness of the organization.  There are plenty of other changes but this gives just a taste of the plan. 

The point I wanted to get across is that Nova Roma is more than an email list and a website.  Once our world view begins to expand the need for the plan becomes clearer.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Pater Patriae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95344 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve amice,

My last post on the matter, unless there is a repetition of un-evidenced opposition from Vedius.

1. As much as you may think it is personal it is not. It is about the plan. Attacking my plan, and un-evidenced commentary laced with insults such as it being a plan in search of a problem constitutes a thinly veiled attack, supported by his position, history, titles, etc, and  that is a direct threat to the validity of the plan's assessment model and the solutions proposed. 

2. I have been attacked personally by far more adept opponents than Vedius, and of course he is an opponent - he has set himself up in that role by failing to evidence one whit of credible opposition to the plan. He in fact appears to have made this a personal issue, regardless of all his platitudes to the contrary. I don't regard him as a personal opponent however, just a latent virus that is nibbling at the edges of the plan, but which has the potential to initiate a larger scale infection.

3. Personally I think the comitas reference was simply another ploy, enabling him to snipe at the plan and then run away and hide behind comitas, adopt a high moral tone, and sit in silent opposition, without the risk of actually having to debate the reasons for his opposition. I would be more than glad to see he has read it, that indeed would be a first step, but reading it for Vedius means skimming it. That was what he told me he had done when we spoke, and I highly doubt that he has read it since. Maybe he skimmed it again? That I can believe.

4. I find it instructive that shortly after a discussion in the CP on Nova Roma's wider issues that in turn affect the CP, and my commenting that this plan addresses those and that much has been implemented already and more is to come, that Vedius pops out of nowhere again, much like a certain hobbit with his magic ring, lobs a grenade at the plan and then pops his ring back on and vanishes again (hiding behind the shield of comitas). 

Now, who do we both know in the CP who is Vedius' self-appointed acolyte? Hmm I wonder who possibly alerted our very own Flavius Bagginus Bilbo to this "threat"? Maybe the same person who commented that while my solutions would solve the problems, that NR wouldn't be the same again? Oh, when that person talks about changing NR he means changing the fact that it is ineffective in many areas - he takes comfort in it being so, because it doesn't challenge him to be different from that. It wouldn't be Fabius who sent up the bat signal? Could it be? Shocking if so, not.... He certainly would have managed to get wobbly enough to have put out a call to "save NR". A definite possibility I think, and therefore if so, Vedius answered a call for help from a known opponent of anything that constitutes development or advancement. Isn't that rather pre-emptive opposition from the get-go if so? I think so..

5. Focusing on the merits of the plan is what I intend, but turning the other cheek to our own hobbit in a bat cape making continued sneak attacks and running away to hide behind virtues (virtues I don't recall him being overly representative of before), is not something I will let pass for too long. 

So I agree, let's see what specific points Vedius has to make, if any, based of (a) clearly having read and digested the plan and (b) evidence.

Then I will be my usual charming self, even if he continues to oppose it ;)

Vale bene
Caesar

From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave Amice,

We have had each others back for over 10 years in Nova Roma and specifically since I came back from the dead, and you are my best and most trusted friend in Nova Roma.  We have been together lock step working to protect Nova Roma against people who wished to do Her arm.  I have your back as you have always had mine. That is not ever going to change!  
 
Over the course of our conversations I understand your concerns and I know where you are coming from.  All I am asking is to try to alter the thinking from a personal realm to focus on the substantive content of the plan.   It does not help in getting the plan aired out, discussed and adopted (I know I am repetitive).

  I will say this, I have been rather impressed that Vedius has not responded as he (and I) would have if this had been say 10 years ago. :) He has been doing a good job of trying to follow the Virture of Comitas as he mentioned in the BA.  However, now that I have started the threads to get the substantive content of the plan discussed we will be able to see if there is any actual criticism of the plan.  He told me he read it.  Now by taking the conversation chapter by chapter anyone who has any concern will have their opportunity to voice their support, concern or criticism of the plan and we will be able to see if individuals actually have read the plan.  I am looking forward to having an ongoing competent and substantive discussion on how the plan will be implemented, the merits and advantages of the plan as well as hearing the concerns of citizens who might not understand all of the working components (something I had a hard time grasping at first.)  Now is the time for the plan to take center stage and for personalities (all of our personalities) to take a back seat.

 Amice, I know you think that Vedius is trying to kill the plan by virtue of him being Pater patriae and his previous standing in NR - amice, I just do not see that happening.  I would like to hope that Vedius is being sincere about being willing to discuss the plan when he feels he isn't being personally attacked.  Let's see if that is the case, I take him at his word.  Now that said, I am more concerned about the personal conflict between you and Vedius more of a threat to getting the plan passed.  Remember when I fired Lentulus for acting against his boss during my consulship - Lentulus still lost.  See what I mean?  The merits of the plan are, IMHO, most important than any personal dislike.  I might be blind in regards to this, but I know this, I am getting emailed by people who actually want the plan.  The plan is being discussed and on the merits of the plan it will either be adopted or not.  

So, please, I respectfully,lets focus on the merits of the plan. :)

Most Respecfully,

Sulla



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95345 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Salve,

Not a problem, happy to look into some games.  Always. 

What sort of issues do you have with Windows 10?  I've upgraded two towers and a netbook with no issue.  It's a lot faster for me than Windows 8 was.  More responsive.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95346 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve,


Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95347 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Roman Game on sale
Ave,

That is interesting.  I'm glad that went smoothly.  I am not unopposed to Win 10, I just have privacy concerns regarding certain features of Win 10.  My knowledge is rather limited, but I can see the possibility of upgrading when the beta becomes a more tested product.  I have just too much data that I don't want to put in any jeopardy since some of that data goes beyond my individual content but also the content of the organization. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95348 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Bleh.  We should really consider another bank if at all possible (I personally prefer credit unions as they've always given me less of a headache, but I understand they're not quite as widespread typically).

I really don't understand why they wouldn't let you handle it at your local branch.  One branch should be the same as any other!

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95349 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve Vedi,

Perhaps you need to think about what you just wrote:

1) You read it 5 years ago you say - in fact you told me you had skimmed it. You haven't read it since have you, cover to cover?

2) Absurd commentary about it being impossible to debate it - as my only expectation is that you have read it - and you haven't and you have brought zero to the table as evidence.

3) You have resorted to hiding behind the fact I called you out on your total lack of evidence, and as usual no one can call out the great Vedius on anything. 

4) I don't require high praise, and opposition based on evidence or having clearly read and thought about it will be gratefully received. Petulant opposition the likes sf which you displayed, unsupported by a shred of evidence and not having read it, will be treated with the scorn it deserves.

Vale 
Caesar


From: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95350 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Ave,

Vedius, amice, I hope you are not suggesting that you are trying to us an excuse in order to avoid discussing the plan.  I have read your message 3 times and I am sort of getting that opinion, and I hope that is not correct.  Or maybe you have just decided to sit yourself out of the conversation, that is your choice, but I think such a move will do you no credit.  

With that in mind, I will add another layer of seriousness in this endeavor to get the plan as the focus:

With the establishment of a thread where anyone can participate and I make this clear that I intend to stand for Consul next year to promulgate the plan as the center piece of the legislation so if there is any concern or criticism then I would like to hear it to ensure that the legislation I promulgate next year will be the most thorough legislation it can be - just like all the laws that were written by my staff and myself when I was Sole Consul.

As I explained to you on the phone as well, NR began implementing parts of the plan but we have also had other issues like the audit, but you were not here.  When Da Vinci finished painting his work of art it did not need to be continuously updated, Caesar is satisfied over the completeness of the work.  However, it is now time for NR to decide the merits of the plan before being adopted.  To use as an excuse oh the plan hasnt been updated in 5 years is NOT a substantive criticism.  Participate or not, it is your choice.  I intend to go forward to continue pushing the plan and promoting its discussion and if elected to promulgate and implement said plan.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Pater Patriae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95351 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Oh yes, I am closing the account and will be opening it at another bank.  I bank at Chase and have not had any serious issues with them for almost 23 years.  But I would be fine with going to a credit union or some other institution.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95352 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: We are dying.
Salve,

Whether you choose to call it an "excuse" or something else is of no moment. I am saying that a substantive discussion of the details of his plan is impossible because of Caesar's behavior.

By all means continue to implement his plan, and discuss it to your heart's content. Despite what he seems to think (and you seem, on the surface, to be in agreement), I did not choose to return to the main list and catch up on my taxes merely to oppose it. My renewed interest in our Res Publica was due entirely to a review I saw online of Marcus Cassius' book on the Imperial Cult (which I heartily recommend, by the way): http://amzn.to/1M8rsnt  And I thought that interest in the Religio might be on the upswing. That has always, of course, been the raison d'etre of Nova Roma. The political aspects have always been, and rightly should be, secondary.

To my mind, this whole discussion has been a distraction, and one I certainly had no intention of starting. I merely replied to your mention of the plan, and off he popped. It's really not that big a deal for me. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95353 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Caesar's Plan
Salvete!

Nova Roma Reborn was written several years ago.  Before getting into detailed discussions, I'd like to know if due to the passage of time and changed circumstances whether, in the eyes of the author, any important sections of it have become moot and no longer need to be considered.

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95354 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Caesar's Plan
Salve Quadrate,

The simple answer is no,

I do not consider that circumstances have changed, or become moot. The same basic structural issues remain present today, and still the conflict between the needs of Maine State law and a Roman res publica surface. The same structural deficiencies in respect of incentive and consequences remain present and unchanged. Sulla and I in our respective consulships applied triage to the system. Yes, it could limp along as it is now, occasionally needing to be put on life-support, or to receive CPR, but the same ailments would still infect NR as the report addresses.

The report focuses on Nova Roma being reborn, not just periodically resuscitated. I believe the analysis remains as valid today as when I wrote it - because many events have occurred and lots of immediate problems have been fixed, but the core problems remain. Those are what the report aims to fix, so we can truly become a res publica and yet safeguard our corporate assets and status.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

Nova Roma Reborn was written several years ago.  Before getting into detailed discussions, I'd like to know if due to the passage of time and changed circumstances whether, in the eyes of the author, any important sections of it have become moot and no longer need to be considered.

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95355 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Convivium in New Jersey?
Sulla gratia et salvete,
Convivium, I've learned is a banquet, party, or a dinner party.
"Convevance," from my experience with church, is an extended (6hrs to 3-days) worship service.
I was just trying to see if there was a common Latin reference to the word, convevance.
Easement is "aisiamento," basically the same word just spelled differenty & with a vowel at the end.
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Wouldn't that be an easement? 



On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Robin Marquardt remarq777@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95356 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: ancient history food blog
Ave,

YEP...a history focused food blog specializing in recreating Roman food!

I just found this blog just a few minutes ago and immediately had to share it.

It is called Pass the Garum!   I hope you'll enjoy it.


Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95357 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Ave,

Updated address, since the blog moved:


Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95358 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Salve, Sulla

I've read parts of this blog, never got around to trying any of the recipes, perhaps when I move. This is a particular good one.

Vale,
Macra


------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95359 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Ave,

I am so glad you enjoyed the website.

I am going to be trying the bread recipes for sure.  I am on a bread making kick making loaves of Challah bread at home.  

I do hope he develops other recipes besides Mackrel (Im not a major fan of that fish and my roommate loathes fish).  

Please when you try the recipes please post your assessments on taste and ease of preparation, that would be fascinating to read. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95360 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-06
Subject: Re: Caesar's Plan
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D. 

I just finished reading Nova Roma Reborn, and I believe it's a solid plan.  Despite having been written five years ago, it's still very relevant to our circumstances today.  Perhaps even more so, given the prediction of gradual decline in the conclusion.  I joined Nova Roma because it promotes a cause I believe in, and despite everything that's happened since I joined, I still believe in our mission.  This plan is the best suggestion I've seen to make our way forward and is absolutely worthy of further consideration and implementation.

Di vos incolumes custodiant! 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Salve Quadrate,

The simple answer is no,

I do not consider that circumstances have changed, or become moot. The same basic structural issues remain present today, and still the conflict between the needs of Maine State law and a Roman res publica surface. The same structural deficiencies in respect of incentive and consequences remain present and unchanged. Sulla and I in our respective consulships applied triage to the system. Yes, it could limp along as it is now, occasionally needing to be put on life-support, or to receive CPR, but the same ailments would still infect NR as the report addresses.

The report focuses on Nova Roma being reborn, not just periodically resuscitated. I believe the analysis remains as valid today as when I wrote it - because many events have occurred and lots of immediate problems have been fixed, but the core problems remain. Those are what the report aims to fix, so we can truly become a res publica and yet safeguard our corporate assets and status.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Caesar's Plan

 
Salvete!

Nova Roma Reborn was written several years ago.  Before getting into detailed discussions, I'd like to know if due to the passage of time and changed circumstances whether, in the eyes of the author, any important sections of it have become moot and no longer need to be considered.

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95361 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Next Podcast on the list
Avete Omnes,

I have finally gotten up to date on the British History Podcast.  The reason I enjoy that podcast so much is that it is rather technical and the subjects discussed are covered in a near graduate course level.  In other words it goes well beyond the great man theory in trying to explain history.  I tend to enjoy those level of podcasts instead of the basic, Michael Grant level (High school level) of lecture.  Now that I am caught up to his latest published episode, the rise of the Kingdom of Wessex in the Mid 850's ce it is time for me to go to my next podcast and I have found it.

This podcast is a general history of the world.  The website address is:  http://www.podcasthistoryofourworld.com/

I am about 33 episodes in and while some of the discussions are general level he does go into greater detail, I notice he does this in topics he becomes very enthusastic about.  In one episode he, and others, recite the entire Epic of Gilgamesh and listening to it like a play puts the document that I have read a number of times (and own) into an entirely new perspective.  Right now I am up to the Greco-Persian Wars and I am very much looking forward to the Roman period and hearing his opinions on the key events.  

I hope you'll will enjoy this as much as I do.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95362 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: This Day in Roman History
A.D. 117 Emperor Trajan died this day from a stroke, as had his predecessor Nerva, at Selinus in Asia Minor in 98.

Sad day indeed, on of the most talented Roman Emperors!  Do you think Hadrian was his true successor or not?  Who else would have made a capable emperor if Hadrian did not get the Purple?  

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95363 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
A. Paterculus L. Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foris s.p.d.
  In general it looks like an ambitious & potentially fruitful plan. There isn't too much to comment on in the Introduction or first chapter, since Caesar leaves his specifics for later chapters.
  Since he does bring up his plan to separate Nova Roma's functions into a non-profit and private corporation in "Ten Years On", can you tell us anything about how this plan will effect our legal status (beyond what Caesar himself describes)? Have you discussed any of these potential changes with the IRS, either while you were working with them last year or more recently? What about non-U.S. legal consequences - are they likely to differ in any way from effects in the U.S.?
  Although this is straying into later chapters, it ties to the question above - will donations to Nova Roma still be tax deductible if something is given in exchange?
    Vale et valete

P.S. To anyone just starting to read the paper, you may want to finish it before bringing up concerns, even though we're discussing one chapter at a time. One of the concerns I had early on, that division into two groups would concentrate power with bureaucrats outside our republic, was proven to be empty in the second to last chapter where Caesar states how the non-profit Board of Directors will be selected.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95364 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave,

We will be going through each chapter and discussing them in order. It made sense to take this in order instead of starting at the end and working to the front.  I am already working on the next chapter's discussion thread and will have it posted by Monday to give sufficient time for anyone to ask questions over this part of the document.

No, I have not spoke to our Registerred Agent, nor have I spoken with the IRS, nor have I spoken with Maine.  When I dealt with the IRS it was focused like a laser beam on the specific complaints given to them by former member(s) of the Board.  This also included issues that the IRS found deficient which Nova Roma addressed.  The IRS would not be the body one would consult.  We would likely consult our Registerred Agent to ensure we are in compliance with Maine Law as that is the governmental body that we would specifically need to ensure compliance and they would exercise the most control over NR.  This is why Caesar and I both checked the statutes governing Maine's Not for Profit repeatedly when this document was drafted and afterward when he would explain certain aspects of the plan to me.  Both of us have those statutes bookmarked in our computer since oh about 2007 when I resumed activity in Nova Roma.

With regards to any non-US legal consequences regarding what exactly?  I do not understand the scope of the question you are asking here.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95365 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Salve, Sulla

I love fish so when I get around to preparing it, I'll definitely post it

Vale,
Macra
------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95366 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Salve Sulla

No I don't think Hadrian was his true successor but it was because of Hadrian Roma ended up with Marcus Aurelius. I wouldn't replace Hadrian with someone else but I'd definitely replace Septimus.

Vale,
Macra



------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95367 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Ave,

I wonder then who was Trajan's intended successor?  

I would replace Elagabalus, that's for sure.   :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95368 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: ancient history food blog
Ave! 

Awesome I can't wait to read that.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95369 From: alicia mann Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Salve, Sulla


I think only Trajan himself has an answer to that question.

Elagabus is part of Septimus' line. To be honest, I'd go back to Marcus Aurelius and choose a worthy successor and not Commodus.

Vale,
Macra

------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95370 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Ave,

I wish one of the discoveries and writings that are being decyphered might shed light on the subject of Hadrian's succession.

Oh agreed, I would just rank Septimus Severus far higher than Elagablus.  Though there is one thing I would like to find out...all humans have some good traits, even the worst of us...I would like to learn something that Elagablus did that was positive since everything I have read has been universally negative. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95371 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Salvete!

He died young. Emoji

Valete!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:16:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] This Day in Roman History

 

Ave,

I wish one of the discoveries and writings that are being decyphered might shed light on the subject of Hadrian's succession.

Oh agreed, I would just rank Septimus Severus far higher than Elagablus.  Though there is one thing I would like to find out...all humans have some good traits, even the worst of us...I would like to learn something that Elagablus did that was positive since everything I have read has been universally negative. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95372 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Re: This Day in Roman History
Hahahha is that the only positive thing? Granted that was funny!!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95373 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Comitia Populi Tributa - Official Candidates List
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The candidates for Aedilis Curulis, listed in alphabetical order by nomen-cognomen-praenomen, are:


The comitia shall elect two of these individuals to office. The election of the curule aediles is the only item on the ballot. Contio, the debate period for the candidates, will begin at 6:00 AM Rome Time on Saturday, 8 August 2015.
 
As a reminder, the schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95374 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Election of junior Consul
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus in foro s.p.d.


It is less than 6 hours until the contio for the Comitia Centuriata begins. At this time I still have no candidates for the open Consul position. All three candidates for Aedilis Curulis meet the requirements for consul. I am sure there are at least a few other citizens who qualified for the office of consul.

Perhaps there are a few citizens who only have to pay their taxes in order to be eligible for this election. I need a colleague and I don't want taxes to be a roadblock, so if there is anyone who would like run for the consular office but is unable to pay their taxes, please contact me privately.

I will continue to accept new candidates for consul until 6:00 AM Rome Time on Monday, 10 August 2015.

The requirements for office are:

  • Must be at least 30 years old
  • Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (tax payer).
  • Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 4 years.
  • Must have previously held the position of Praetor, or Tribune of the Plebs for at least 6 months, or Provincial Governor for at least 3 years, or Senator for one year.


Anyone wishing to run for Consul must send an email to:


with the subject "Consul candidate" and with the following information:

  • Your Nova Roman name
  • Your Nova Roma citizen number
  • Your age


Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95375 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-07
Subject: Classical Wisdom Weekly
Avete Omnes,

I just found the fascinating link to a weekly publication.  I found it through a link about Athens and Sparta.

I hope you might find the articles enjoyable.


Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95376 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Populi Tributa - Contio is open
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The debate period for the election of curule aediles in the Comitia Populi Tributa is now open.


The candidates for Aedilis Curulis, listed in alphabetical order by nomen-cognomen-praenomen, are:


The comitia shall elect two of these individuals to office. The election of the curule aediles is the only item on the ballot. 
 
As a reminder, the schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015


Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during contio:
 
    13 August 2015 - Id. Sex. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Feriae Iovi
    14 August 2015 - a.d. XIX Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies Ater
 

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95377 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Contio is open
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The debate period for the election of curule aediles in the Comitia Centuriata is now open.

There are currently no candidates. Citizens who would like to run for consul, to serve in that office for the remainder of the calendar year, may contact me privately with their Nova Roma name, Citizen number and age or present themselves in the fora. 

The comitia shall elect one citizen to serve as consul.
 
As a reminder, the schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015


Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during contio:
 
    13 August 2015 - Id. Sex. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Feriae Iovi
    14 August 2015 - a.d. XIX Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies Ater
 

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95378 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Contio is open
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The debate period for the election of a second consul in the Comitia Centuriata is now open.

There are currently no candidates. Citizens who would like to run for consul, to serve in that office for the remainder of the calendar year, may contact me privately with their Nova Roma name, Citizen number and age or present themselves in the fora. 

The comitia shall elect one citizen to serve as consul.
 
As a reminder, the schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    Start of Contio     6:00 AM Rome Time on 8 August 2015
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015


Citizens are advised to avoid activity in the Comitia on the following dates during contio:
 
    13 August 2015 - Id. Sex. 2768 AUC - dies NP - Feriae Iovi
    14 August 2015 - a.d. XIX Kal. Sep. 2768 AUC - dies Ater
 

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95380 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Comitia Populi Tributa - Contio is open
Salvete omnes,

As I mentioned when I initially presented myself as a candidate for Curule Aedile, my motive was solely to see an office filled that was empty. I found that an intolerable situation, and stepped in to fill the void. However, now that two other worthy candidates have stepped up to the challenge, the entire reason for my candidacy became obsolete. I can only hope that my example was a factor in their own decisions to fulfill their civic duty.

I hereby happily stand down from my candidacy for the position of Curule Aedile in favor of Quintus Arrius Nauta and Gaius Decius Laterensis. I thank them for their service, and trust they will serve with distinction.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95381 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Ceremonies for Nova Roma in Rome in the upcoming days
Cn. Lentulus quaestor et pontifex, praefectus Italiae Quiritibus s. p. d.

It's my announcement for you, Quirites, and to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, that I am now on my way to Rome, where I will perform sacrifices on the verz Capitolium and Forum Romanum, offering rituals in my capacity as pontifex and quaestor, for the benefit of Nova Roma, for our well-being, success and bright future, for the senate and people, for the magistrates and for the priestly colleges. In my capacity as praefectus of Italia, I will offer rituals for the regeneration of our citizenry in Italy, especiallz in Rome, and I will meet our fellow local Roman-Italian citizens in the Eternal City. I will come back to Pannonia on 16th August.

While in Rome, I will investigate the possibilities to organize the VIIth International Conventus of Nova Roma next year. We did not have an international grand convention since 2008, and as praefectus Italiae it is my intention to report my findings to the aediles (they are traditionally the magistrates in NR in charge of deciding the location), and to initiate the process to arrange the next Conventus Novae Romae in Rome, during the great Parilia festival, birthday of Rome, which is a city level event in Rome with Roman reenactors and cultural organizations assembling from all over the world. 

Curate ut valeatis!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, quaestor, pontifex
legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95382 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy - Curule Aedile
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

For those who don't know me, my name is Gaius Decius Laterensis.  Today, I am officially announcing my candidacy to the office of Curule Aedile for the remainder of the year.  I am a patrician citizen of Nova Roma, and have been a citizen since 2763 AUC.  In that time, I've served our respublica in national, provincial, and religious offices.  I started my climb up the Cursus Honorum serving as Diribitor during Sulla's consulship.  During that year, I was also appointed governor of Lacus Magni (later just Ohio after the provincial reform), an office I've held ever since.  Last year, in the consulship of Aeternia and Crassus, I served as Quaestor, and also as Diribitor.  I was appointed Sacerdos Martialis during Sulla's consulship, and was raised to Flamen Martialis earlier this year, gaining a seat on the Collegium Pontificum.  Given my history of service, I am more than qualified to continue that service as Curule Aedile, and look forward to a successful remaining year alongside whoever gets elected as my colleague.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95383 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Salve Sulla salveteque omnes,

Since I don't have a very clear understanding of international laws regarding organizations, its difficult to make that last question much less vague. Basically what I mean is:
  • What benefit does a citizen in Rome, Tokyo, or Mexico City gain from belonging to Nova Roma, Inc., the non-profit incorporated in Maine, that he or she would not gain from belonging to our group if it had not been incorporated anywhere?
  • Does being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits, either to improve them or to add additional complications?
Vale valeteque,
Paterculus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95384 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave Paterculus,

NR would not be able to exist in any substantive form except at the whim of free services.  As Nova Roma would not be able to collect any monies and if by chance we collected monies those monies would be taxed twice.  First, the person who donated the monies would not be able to write it off any donation.  Secondly, NR would have to file taxes and pay those taxes based it's location. 

If I recall correctly under Caesar's plan we would not be limited to have to be incorporated in just Maine.  It would be easier, of course, but by no means a requirement.  But you raise an excellent question that Caesar specifically addressed (and hint hint I plan to go into more detailed in the next chapter).  But, let me just answer your questions now:

Does Being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits?  Answer:  No.  Either improve them or add additional complication?  Answer:  It will actually improve them.  I believe that during the transition there will be a learning curve - no more complicated than someone learning the ins and outs of our Nova Roma community.  Once the plan is fully implemented it will add new layers and depth to our community so much more beyond participating in an email list.  It will be a more embracing environment that will totally alter our outlook as to Nova Roma's potential.  I believe the most challenging issue we all will have is embracing the change.  

I hope I have answered your question and hint hint a more in-depth answer to your questions will start to be answered as we begin the discussions into the next chapters of Caesar's Plan.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95385 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma

Salvete omnes,

It is good thing that we are going to have an in depth discussion of Gn. Caesar’s Nova Roma Reborn. Whether you support or oppose the specific details, it seems likely much of this plan will soon be implemented, so we should certainly discuss.

However, quite a few other interesting and perhaps helpful ideas were proposed in the rather depressingly named "We are Dying" thread, and it would be a shame if we missed these proposals. Here are a few of the suggestions, under the names of their authors:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95386 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma

Salvete Omnes!

 

Some of these ideas are indeed excellent, and many, if not most, of them can be further examined and developed using some of the provisions of Caesar’s plan, upon which I will not comment until I have thoroughly read, assimilated, considered, and have far more understanding of it than I do at present.  Anything I might say at this point would be superficial at best.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca, who does think that this plan does not in any way negate the potential of many of these ideas, and, therefore, should be considered fully first, because this plan involves a complete restructuring of Nova Roma and the ways in which it will function, and is therefore systematic, and most of these ideas, however much potential they have (and some them have a great deal) are limited projects which may benefit us in many ways, but are not systematic and do not address the essential organizational culture issues.

 

In other words, we are looking at 2 separate categories of ideas, and each should be evaluated in its proper time and order.

 

Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95387 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Ave,

I think it would be important to place a clarification and division on ideas

1.  Which ones are practical ie within reason of achieving.
2.  Which ones are impractical ie  if someone said NR should lay claim to the Moon.  
3.  Ideas that do not meet either option.

Then repost the ideas within the classification...because not all ideas and suggestions are created equal.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95388 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Ave,

Another clarification, you mentioned I received something on August 7th from Nix.  I have not received any document from him - I am still waiting.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95389 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Senate Finance Committee
Avete Omnes,

I sent 4 invites to the Senate Finance Committee.  Yahoo says they went through but I am concerned so I am posting this on the ML (Since the Senate is summoned).  

The invites were to the following:

Praetor Hadrianus,
Senator Pompeia Municia
Senator Caeca
Senator Paulinus.

Please confirm receipt of the invite.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95390 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
We are not laying claim to the moon again...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Fabius
 
In a message dated 8/8/2015 5:28:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95391 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-08
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Again....we never stopped...its still enshrined in one of the few laws of Caeso Fabius that I didn't get overturned! LOL

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95392 From: reenbru Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Senate Finance Committee
Ave Sulla,

I received the invitation earlier today and I have just subscribed to the SFC.

Vale optime,
A. LiburniusHadrianus, praetor. 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95393 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Senate Finance Committee
Ave,

Excellent!  Thanks for the confirmation.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95394 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Salve,

I confess this is a somewhat bizarre request. Never have we (even subtly) discouraged ideas, nor requested that ideas be categorized according to some subjective scale.

Surely our good citizens are quite capable of discerning for themselves which ideas are practical, and which are not. Such is, after all, one of the purposes of discussing any idea in the first place. What one person sees as a reasonable and sensible idea, others may find completely impractical.

Let's let such evaluations come out as part of the discussion. Thusfar the moon-annexing ideas seem few and far between. ;-)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95395 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Ave,

It is not a bizarre request, yes it is somewhat subjective, I agree but not bizarre.

Amice, you of all people know this is not a bizarre request, surely you remember what it was like to be the head guy dealing with people who had no idea at all of what was going on and some who did not care at all they want what they wanted when they wanted it.

My reason for asking this is to try to keep some perspective and to not let the groundwork set in for someone to try to demogague their way to offer people the sun, moon and stars only to do nothing more than to create and sow discord.  Something that you and I agree is not what we need.  

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95396 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Salve,

My friend, please don't take my use of the term "bizarre" as a slight. I say it's bizarre because nobody in their right mind is ever going to place their own suggestion in the second category!

Just imagine it: "Here's my idea, but it's completely impractical. But it's my idea so here it is!"

Honestly, you have to admit it's a bit odd to expect anyone to label their own idea as impractical. Else, they wouldn't bother to propose it in the first place. :-)

As for keeping perspective and avoiding discord, on that at least we agree entirely. But let's just let people make those decisions for themselves. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95397 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Ave,

That is why my suggestion to each of us individuals to categorize our own suggestions. I was directing this suggestion to Paterculus who thoughtfully consolidated everyone's suggestion into a single email. 

You are absolutely right, I doubt I would list any suggestion that I come up with as impractical, I would use my own critical thinking to hopefully assist me in that decision making process.  However in the list that Paterculus created that started this thread, there are some suggestions that are well beyond the current reach of Nova Roma and NR does have a history of citizens offering the sun moon and stars to the People with little to no thought as to how to get there.  My fear is that perspective could be lost and in doing so that will inevitable create conflict....taking such small efforts in the beginning could go a long way in continuing to foster a positive, benefical and conducive environment instead of repeating the conflicts of the past. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95398 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Other Suggestions to Help Nova Roma
Ave,

Correction on my first sentence.  It should read, That is why my suggestion was not to each of us individuals to categorize our own suggestions.

There much better.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95399 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Battle of Adrianople
Avete Omnes,

Earlier our Consul posted that today is the anniversary of the Battle of Adrianople.  This battle was one of the most important battles in the history of the world and is one that deserves some commentary and discussion so I took the time to bring up some links for your exploration and information.

First off lets start with the Military Wiki:  http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Adrianople

Next hear Mike Duncan discuss the topic in detail in the History of Rome Podcast:  http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/2011/10/153-adrianople.html

And, while you are listening here are some additional links:


I hope you enjoy these links and the detailed information contained.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95400 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Salve Patercule,

To clarify, under my plan we would all still be members of Nova Roma Inc. Nova Roma Inc. would by means of a service contract have a contractual relationship with (a place-holder name suggestion used in the plan) Respublica Inc. The vast majority of us would not be members of Respublica Inc. Respublica Inc. would be a private corporation to avoid the issues of compliance with non-profit laws, which have consistently been at odds with the needs of a Roman res publica. Historical accuracy would require X, but X would be in contravention of non-profit legislation. 

Respublica Inc's board of directors would be a sub-set of people who are senators. Those on the board of Respublica Inc. could not serve on the board of directors for Nova Roma Inc. in order to prevent any conflicts of interest, but would still be ordinary members of Nova Roma Inc.  

Therefore no one is associated with two boards of directors simultaneously. Nova Roma Inc. would control all the assets, whether owned or essentially leased from free services (Yahoo! etc). Eespublica Inc. would not collect any donations, tax payments (membership dues) etc. There would only be a handful of people actually associated with the two entities, and those persons would be the people on the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. 

Respublica Inc. as a corporate entity exists for the contractual responsibility of managing the res publica environment on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. Thus our res publica becomes at arms length from non-profit legislation (as it isn't one), and would have as a contractual duty the requirement to maintain a functioning res publica environment, which would be far more Roman in nature than the mish-mash we have toiled under to date, trying to satisfy the needs of our incorporation state law and the historical needs of a res publica, and satisfying neither objective fully. 

Finally, the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. would only meet if the contractual duties agreed to between the two corporations were not being met, by one or both parties, or to re-negotiate the service contract. The senate of the res publica would be a separate entity, Roman in nature and not collectively a Board of Directors any more, and would concern itself with the affairs of the res publica, or through members of it who are elected internally by the senate to serve on the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc.

Therefore the benefit to all members of Nova Roma would be a far more Roman environment than we enjoy now, as we would operate within a private corporation umbrella as a res publica, but our assets and funds would pass under the control of a democratically elected Board of Directors, including members elected directly from the members themselves. More on that later though, as we would be jumping ahead too much to go into that detail further.

Does this help answer your question?

Vale bene
Caesar  


From: "Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Sulla salveteque omnes,

Since I don't have a very clear understanding of international laws regarding organizations, its difficult to make that last question much less vague. Basically what I mean is:
  • What benefit does a citizen in Rome, Tokyo, or Mexico City gain from belonging to Nova Roma, Inc., the non-profit incorporated in Maine, that he or she would not gain from belonging to our group if it had not been incorporated anywhere?
  • Does being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits, either to improve them or to add additional complications?
Vale valeteque,
Paterculus



On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95401 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Today in Roman History - Battle of Pharsalus
Salvete Omnes,
 
Today in Roman History, August 9th in 48 BC, the Battle of Pharsalus was fought between the forces of Julius Caesar and the army of the Republic under the command of Pompey. 
 
Caesar's army was outnumbered, short of provisions, and in hostile territory where he could not recruit or resupply. Pompey intended to simply wait until Caesar was forced to surrender, however the impatient Senate demanded that Pompey's army attack. This ultimately led to a decisive rout of the Republican forces:
 
 
 
-Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95402 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave Caesar,

I have been commercial attorney for some 40+ years, and have organized literally hundreds of corporations, both profit and non-profit.  Presently I am General Counsel for a  large real estate firm.  I am considered an expert in corporate matters, and have taught business law at the undergraduate and graduate levels.   So perhaps I possess a minimal expertise in corporate law.

I have read and reread your dissertation.   First, your explanation of the two tier corporate structure makes absolutely no sense to me, nor is the relationship clear.  Second, your explanation of the expected benefits makes even less sense.   

I realize that the opinion of a mere citizen (member) of Nova Roma probably counts for little.   But frankly I am suspicious of this movement.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore of the Province of Texia
Legatus Legionis, Legio XIII Gemina   

 

   
      



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:47 AM, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Patercule,

To clarify, under my plan we would all still be members of Nova Roma Inc. Nova Roma Inc. would by means of a service contract have a contractual relationship with (a place-holder name suggestion used in the plan) Respublica Inc. The vast majority of us would not be members of Respublica Inc. Respublica Inc. would be a private corporation to avoid the issues of compliance with non-profit laws, which have consistently been at odds with the needs of a Roman res publica. Historical accuracy would require X, but X would be in contravention of non-profit legislation. 

Respublica Inc's board of directors would be a sub-set of people who are senators. Those on the board of Respublica Inc. could not serve on the board of directors for Nova Roma Inc. in order to prevent any conflicts of interest, but would still be ordinary members of Nova Roma Inc.  

Therefore no one is associated with two boards of directors simultaneously. Nova Roma Inc. would control all the assets, whether owned or essentially leased from free services (Yahoo! etc). Eespublica Inc. would not collect any donations, tax payments (membership dues) etc. There would only be a handful of people actually associated with the two entities, and those persons would be the people on the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. 

Respublica Inc. as a corporate entity exists for the contractual responsibility of managing the res publica environment on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. Thus our res publica becomes at arms length from non-profit legislation (as it isn't one), and would have as a contractual duty the requirement to maintain a functioning res publica environment, which would be far more Roman in nature than the mish-mash we have toiled under to date, trying to satisfy the needs of our incorporation state law and the historical needs of a res publica, and satisfying neither objective fully. 

Finally, the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. would only meet if the contractual duties agreed to between the two corporations were not being met, by one or both parties, or to re-negotiate the service contract. The senate of the res publica would be a separate entity, Roman in nature and not collectively a Board of Directors any more, and would concern itself with the affairs of the res publica, or through members of it who are elected internally by the senate to serve on the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc.

Therefore the benefit to all members of Nova Roma would be a far more Roman environment than we enjoy now, as we would operate within a private corporation umbrella as a res publica, but our assets and funds would pass under the control of a democratically elected Board of Directors, including members elected directly from the members themselves. More on that later though, as we would be jumping ahead too much to go into that detail further.

Does this help answer your question?

Vale bene
Caesar  


From: "Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Sulla salveteque omnes,

Since I don't have a very clear understanding of international laws regarding organizations, its difficult to make that last question much less vague. Basically what I mean is:
  • What benefit does a citizen in Rome, Tokyo, or Mexico City gain from belonging to Nova Roma, Inc., the non-profit incorporated in Maine, that he or she would not gain from belonging to our group if it had not been incorporated anywhere?
  • Does being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits, either to improve them or to add additional complications?
Vale valeteque,
Paterculus



On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95403 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Salve Augustine,

It reconciles the problem, Nova Roma has in trying to create a res publica - a Roman environment - yet keep within the requirements of non-profit corporations.

Vale
Caesar


From: "Scipio Second scipiosecond@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave Caesar,

I have been commercial attorney for some 40+ years, and have organized literally hundreds of corporations, both profit and non-profit.  Presently I am General Counsel for a  large real estate firm.  I am considered an expert in corporate matters, and have taught business law at the undergraduate and graduate levels.   So perhaps I possess a minimal expertise in corporate law.

I have read and reread your dissertation.   First, your explanation of the two tier corporate structure makes absolutely no sense to me, nor is the relationship clear.  Second, your explanation of the expected benefits makes even less sense.   

I realize that the opinion of a mere citizen (member) of Nova Roma probably counts for little.   But frankly I am suspicious of this movement.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore of the Province of Texia
Legatus Legionis, Legio XIII Gemina   

 

   
      



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:47 AM, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Patercule,

To clarify, under my plan we would all still be members of Nova Roma Inc. Nova Roma Inc. would by means of a service contract have a contractual relationship with (a place-holder name suggestion used in the plan) Respublica Inc. The vast majority of us would not be members of Respublica Inc. Respublica Inc. would be a private corporation to avoid the issues of compliance with non-profit laws, which have consistently been at odds with the needs of a Roman res publica. Historical accuracy would require X, but X would be in contravention of non-profit legislation. 

Respublica Inc's board of directors would be a sub-set of people who are senators. Those on the board of Respublica Inc. could not serve on the board of directors for Nova Roma Inc. in order to prevent any conflicts of interest, but would still be ordinary members of Nova Roma Inc.  

Therefore no one is associated with two boards of directors simultaneously. Nova Roma Inc. would control all the assets, whether owned or essentially leased from free services (Yahoo! etc). Eespublica Inc. would not collect any donations, tax payments (membership dues) etc. There would only be a handful of people actually associated with the two entities, and those persons would be the people on the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. 

Respublica Inc. as a corporate entity exists for the contractual responsibility of managing the res publica environment on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. Thus our res publica becomes at arms length from non-profit legislation (as it isn't one), and would have as a contractual duty the requirement to maintain a functioning res publica environment, which would be far more Roman in nature than the mish-mash we have toiled under to date, trying to satisfy the needs of our incorporation state law and the historical needs of a res publica, and satisfying neither objective fully. 

Finally, the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. would only meet if the contractual duties agreed to between the two corporations were not being met, by one or both parties, or to re-negotiate the service contract. The senate of the res publica would be a separate entity, Roman in nature and not collectively a Board of Directors any more, and would concern itself with the affairs of the res publica, or through members of it who are elected internally by the senate to serve on the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc.

Therefore the benefit to all members of Nova Roma would be a far more Roman environment than we enjoy now, as we would operate within a private corporation umbrella as a res publica, but our assets and funds would pass under the control of a democratically elected Board of Directors, including members elected directly from the members themselves. More on that later though, as we would be jumping ahead too much to go into that detail further.

Does this help answer your question?

Vale bene
Caesar  


From: "Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Sulla salveteque omnes,

Since I don't have a very clear understanding of international laws regarding organizations, its difficult to make that last question much less vague. Basically what I mean is:
  • What benefit does a citizen in Rome, Tokyo, or Mexico City gain from belonging to Nova Roma, Inc., the non-profit incorporated in Maine, that he or she would not gain from belonging to our group if it had not been incorporated anywhere?
  • Does being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits, either to improve them or to add additional complications?
Vale valeteque,
Paterculus



On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95404 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Salve Augustine,

Please feel free to expand on your suspicions. The whole point of this discussion is to thrash this out, and to do so transparently. At every point when change has been proposed in Nova Roma, someone has always been suspicious about something, and this will be no different. 

Vale
Caesar


From: "Scipio Second scipiosecond@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Ave Caesar,

I have been commercial attorney for some 40+ years, and have organized literally hundreds of corporations, both profit and non-profit.  Presently I am General Counsel for a  large real estate firm.  I am considered an expert in corporate matters, and have taught business law at the undergraduate and graduate levels.   So perhaps I possess a minimal expertise in corporate law.

I have read and reread your dissertation.   First, your explanation of the two tier corporate structure makes absolutely no sense to me, nor is the relationship clear.  Second, your explanation of the expected benefits makes even less sense.   

I realize that the opinion of a mere citizen (member) of Nova Roma probably counts for little.   But frankly I am suspicious of this movement.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore of the Province of Texia
Legatus Legionis, Legio XIII Gemina   

 

   
      



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:47 AM, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Patercule,

To clarify, under my plan we would all still be members of Nova Roma Inc. Nova Roma Inc. would by means of a service contract have a contractual relationship with (a place-holder name suggestion used in the plan) Respublica Inc. The vast majority of us would not be members of Respublica Inc. Respublica Inc. would be a private corporation to avoid the issues of compliance with non-profit laws, which have consistently been at odds with the needs of a Roman res publica. Historical accuracy would require X, but X would be in contravention of non-profit legislation. 

Respublica Inc's board of directors would be a sub-set of people who are senators. Those on the board of Respublica Inc. could not serve on the board of directors for Nova Roma Inc. in order to prevent any conflicts of interest, but would still be ordinary members of Nova Roma Inc.  

Therefore no one is associated with two boards of directors simultaneously. Nova Roma Inc. would control all the assets, whether owned or essentially leased from free services (Yahoo! etc). Eespublica Inc. would not collect any donations, tax payments (membership dues) etc. There would only be a handful of people actually associated with the two entities, and those persons would be the people on the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. 

Respublica Inc. as a corporate entity exists for the contractual responsibility of managing the res publica environment on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. Thus our res publica becomes at arms length from non-profit legislation (as it isn't one), and would have as a contractual duty the requirement to maintain a functioning res publica environment, which would be far more Roman in nature than the mish-mash we have toiled under to date, trying to satisfy the needs of our incorporation state law and the historical needs of a res publica, and satisfying neither objective fully. 

Finally, the Board of Directors of Respublica Inc. would only meet if the contractual duties agreed to between the two corporations were not being met, by one or both parties, or to re-negotiate the service contract. The senate of the res publica would be a separate entity, Roman in nature and not collectively a Board of Directors any more, and would concern itself with the affairs of the res publica, or through members of it who are elected internally by the senate to serve on the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc.

Therefore the benefit to all members of Nova Roma would be a far more Roman environment than we enjoy now, as we would operate within a private corporation umbrella as a res publica, but our assets and funds would pass under the control of a democratically elected Board of Directors, including members elected directly from the members themselves. More on that later though, as we would be jumping ahead too much to go into that detail further.

Does this help answer your question?

Vale bene
Caesar  


From: "Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Sulla salveteque omnes,

Since I don't have a very clear understanding of international laws regarding organizations, its difficult to make that last question much less vague. Basically what I mean is:
  • What benefit does a citizen in Rome, Tokyo, or Mexico City gain from belonging to Nova Roma, Inc., the non-profit incorporated in Maine, that he or she would not gain from belonging to our group if it had not been incorporated anywhere?
  • Does being involved with two organizations, each still incorporated in Maine as described under Caesar's plan, change these benefits, either to improve them or to add additional complications?
Vale valeteque,
Paterculus



On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95405 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave,

I am going to be giving a specific example of the issues Caesar discussed about in depth beginning in the next chapter (which I plan to post tomorrow) and it will give an illustration of the problems NR has faced from day one.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95406 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Caninus Petro sal.

Any details or insight you can give would be appreciated. But keep in mind the point is to provide for a more Roman government of the res publica, separate from the non-profit corporation.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95407 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Back to listening....
To the History of Byzantium Podcast.  This is the first podcast I got Tink hooked on, but she only listened it from the beginning (The Accession of Arcadius and Theodosian Dynasty) to almost the end of Justinian's reign up to about the Mid 540s.  So, now we are back to listening to it from the Mid 540s to his most recent episode which I believe goes up to the late 8th century.  I know this is off topic on the ML, but the Bibliography which I will be posting shortly is so very very extensive and has LOTS of Roman information...too much to be ignored. :)

Here is the link if you wish to listen to Robin Pierson give an almost academic review of the Eastern Roman Empire.


Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95408 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Salve,
I see there is still no consul candidate. Rpman republic is not valid without two consuls, but it is valid with only one praetor with no harm to roman constitution.
I decided I resign my praetor position and I declare my candidacy to consulship, effective 5:00 am Rome time 10 August. My resignation and candidacy for consulship takes effect only if there is no other candidate until 5:00 am

Vale,
Sextus Lucilius Tutor






--

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95409 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: More Podcasts....but this time LATIN!!
Avete Omnes,

I found some podcast geared towards learning Hebrew.  That got me thinking that there totally had to be some in regards to Latin.  I searched and I found. 

I hope anyone who has an interest in learning Latin would enjoy these podcast and links.  This would be an excellent modality for learning and I plan to explore these links in greater detail.









Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95410 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.

Salve Augustine, et Salvete Omnes!

 

I make absolutely no claims to expertise in anything, far less corporate law, organization, or structure.  I am merely a relatively well read individual, and, to me, the corporate structures outlined in this plan seemed quite logical and effective.  However, if this doesn’t make sense to an expert in these fields, I, for one, would like to know what doesn’t make sense, and why.  I would also like to know if there are possible legal impediments that would require major or minor changes in the structures proposed, preferably *before* we have to deal with them, externally.

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95411 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: On the Nova Roma Facebook....
Avete Omnes,

On the Nova Roma Facebook page one of our citizens posted a story in which she is selling some jewelry.  She asked permission to do this and I did not see a problem with it and as a result it became very populated with posts and participation. She even managed to sell some of the items!  ;)  The reason I am posting this here today is for two reasons:

1.  I believe she still has additional items available to be sold; and

2.  To encourage more posts and stories even if it is to sell some items that are related to ancient Rome or anything that we might find of interest.  

Before anyone asks, yes I know we don't want to create an environment of spam, I agree.  We also do not want such a minimal level of activity that it is almost dead either.   I believe that with Lentulus observing the Facebook acct that chance for spamming is minimal and we have lots of room to encourage more participation.

Here is a link of the conversation:


Enjoy, oh and I laid dibs on the ring that looks like the Eastern Roman Empire crown. ;)

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95412 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
M. Pompeius Caninus T. Lucilio Tutori s.p.d.

Amice, having two Praetores is important in Nova Roma because the office, like that of the Consules, is designed to be collegial. Although I do appreciate your gravitas and pietas in volunteering for the position of Consul, leaving your post as Praetor is not a good solution to this problem. It creates a new problem by having only one Praetor for the rest of the year. I therefore ask that you not step down from your seat as Praetor. 

I do expect there will be another qualified candidate. 

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95413 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Current magistrates as candidates
M. Pompeius Caninus consul omnibus in foro s.p.d.

I am inclined to deny the candidacy of any changes currently seated curule magistrate as a candidate for a suffect election or for filling an empty seat of a higher office. It is very important for each of us who was elected in December to fulfill our responsibilities and complete our terms. Resigning office to take another is as bad as having an unfilled office. 

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95414 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-09
Subject: Current magistrates as candidates
M. Pompeius Caninus consul omnibus in foro s.p.d.

I am inclined to deny the candidacy of any currently seated curule magistrate as a candidate for a suffect election or for filling an empty seat of a higher office. It is very important for each of us who was elected in December to fulfill our resmponsibilities and complete our terms. Resigning office to take another is as bad as having an unfilled office. 

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95415 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: End of
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

I have exercised the power granted in lex Cornelia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum to accept candidates for the open Consul seat during the first 48 hours of contio. That first 48 hour period ended at 6:00 AM Rome Time on Monday, 10 August 2015.

The schedule for the remainder of this session of the Comitia is:
 
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95416 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

Thank you Consul amice,
My candidacy and resignation from praetorship take effect only if there no are other candidate for consul.If there are it is not in effect
Vale,
Lucilius
Praetor





--

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Praetor



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95417 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
M. Pompeius Caninus T. Lucilio Tutori s.p.d.

Someone has volunteered to run for consul but only if there are no other candidates. He doesn't really want the office; he offered his name just to be sure someone would be elected. When you announced your intention he felt there would be no need for him to actually run for office. 

I believe you would be a good colleague in the office of consul. I would like to see you run. The problem I face is according to lex Minucia eiuratione magistratum:  

B.ii. Elections shall be held in the appropriate comitia within 45 days of the established vacancy for a suffect magistrate, according to the respective prevailing laws governing these comitia elections.

I must hold an election for praetor within 45 days of your resignation. 

Since the other potential candidate does not want the office and there are no other candidates, I will run an election for a suffect praetor next month if you want to run for the open consul seat. Please let me know if you would like the other candidate to stand for election or if you want to resign and stand for election as consul. 
 
Fac valeas!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95418 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Ave Consul
I very much understand your consideration and I would like only one thing- to serve Nova Roma where most needed and make structure of our republic complete. To not deceive our Roman forefathers about traditions and constitution. I trust you 100% and I follow your direction. This moment I think if this other person someone else should decide if he prefers to retreat or be consul. If he revokes candidacy,my resignation and candidacy stands. I promise to find a praetor suffect within 3 weeks.
Vale
Tutor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95419 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Salvete!

There is a point that needs some clarification.  Is a person elected to a partial term as consul or as a praetor suffect legally able to run for a full term of the same magistracy for the immediately following year? 

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus


To: caninus@...
CC: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:12:29 +0200
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

 
Ave Consul
I very much understand your consideration and I would like only one thing- to serve Nova Roma where most needed and make structure of our republic complete. To not deceive our Roman forefathers about traditions and constitution. I trust you 100% and I follow your direction. This moment I think if this other person someone else should decide if he prefers to retreat or be consul. If he revokes candidacy,my resignation and candidacy stands. I promise to find a praetor suffect within 3 weeks.
Vale
Tutor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95420 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Ave

They should not.  Being Consul is being Consul regardless if it is Suffectus or a full term.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95421 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Salve Quadrate,

Please see:


The office of consul carries no provisions for a suffect term followed by a substantive term.

Vale bene
Caesar 


From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

There is a point that needs some clarification.  Is a person elected to a partial term as consul or as a praetor suffect legally able to run for a full term of the same magistracy for the immediately following year? 

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus




To: caninus@...
CC: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:12:29 +0200
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

 
Ave Consul
I very much understand your consideration and I would like only one thing- to serve Nova Roma where most needed and make structure of our republic complete. To not deceive our Roman forefathers about traditions and constitution. I trust you 100% and I follow your direction. This moment I think if this other person someone else should decide if he prefers to retreat or be consul. If he revokes candidacy,my resignation and candidacy stands. I promise to find a praetor suffect within 3 weeks.
Vale
Tutor


On Monday, August 10, 2015, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95422 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Salve, Sulla!

That's what I thought and that may account for the reluctance of some to run.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:22:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

 

Ave

They should not.  Being Consul is being Consul regardless if it is Suffectus or a full term.

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95423 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY
Salve, Caesar!

Thanks for the info.  I was aware of the statute but not clear about its interpretation.  Those limits may account for why there is a reluctance to run for such a short term.

Vale!
Quadratus


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:34:37 +0000
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

 

Salve Quadrate,

Please see:


The office of consul carries no provisions for a suffect term followed by a substantive term.

Vale bene
Caesar 


From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

There is a point that needs some clarification.  Is a person elected to a partial term as consul or as a praetor suffect legally able to run for a full term of the same magistracy for the immediately following year? 

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadratus




To: caninus@...
CC: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:12:29 +0200
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: CONSUL CANDIDACY

 
Ave Consul
I very much understand your consideration and I would like only one thing- to serve Nova Roma where most needed and make structure of our republic complete. To not deceive our Roman forefathers about traditions and constitution. I trust you 100% and I follow your direction. This moment I think if this other person someone else should decide if he prefers to retreat or be consul. If he revokes candidacy,my resignation and candidacy stands. I promise to find a praetor suffect within 3 weeks.
Vale
Tutor


On Monday, August 10, 2015, M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@...



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95424 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-10
Subject: Comitia Centuriata - Official Candidates List
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

Sextus Lucius Tutor has presented himself as a candidate for Consul. He will be the sole candidate listed on the ballot. The election of the junior Consul is the only item on the ballot. 5.
 
As a reminder, the schedule for the Comitia is:
 
    End of Contio      9:00 PM Rome Time on 15 August 2015
    Start of Voting     6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 August 2015
    End of Voting      9:00 PM Rome Time on 28 August 2015

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95425 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Tribune of the Plebs APB
Avete Omnes,

Will one of the Tribune of the Plebs please update the ML regarding the Senate session.

Thank you very much.

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95426 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Salve C. Maria Caeca,

Wouldst that I could glibly respond.   But I cannot frame a proposal, nor adequately give comment, because the fundamental queries I have made are unanswered.  I agree it would be best to resolve issues before adoption of any proposal.   I cannot offer an opinion or say nay nor yea to what has  been proposed until better explained.  

I assure you I am in no way throwing up obstacles.   I merely suggested that there were unanswered questions.

I note that I have complete faith and trust in  the leadership of the Honorable Sulla.  With this I shall withdraw from the discussion lest I appear contrarian.

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore, Province of Texia   












On Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:16 PM, "'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Augustine, et Salvete Omnes!
 
I make absolutely no claims to expertise in anything, far less corporate law, organization, or structure.  I am merely a relatively well read individual, and, to me, the corporate structures outlined in this plan seemed quite logical and effective.  However, if this doesn’t make sense to an expert in these fields, I, for one, would like to know what doesn’t make sense, and why.  I would also like to know if there are possible legal impediments that would require major or minor changes in the structures proposed, preferably *before* we have to deal with them, externally.
 
Vale et valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95427 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: CALL TO ORDER - FORMAL MEETING OF THE SENATE IN SESSION 08-28 Aug 27

P. Porcius Licinus tribunis plebis Omnibus spd:


M. Pompeius Caninus consuI has called the Senate to Order and will preside over the session.   The Schedule and Agenda of the session follow:



SCHEDULE:

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 08 Aug 2015 : Call to order. Debate period commences.


00:00 AM Rome Time (CET) : 14 Aug 2015 : Recess.


00:00 AM Rome Time (CET) : 15 Aug 2015 : Session resumes.


10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 16 Aug 2015 : Debate period ends.


10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 16 Aug 2015 : Call to vote. Voting period commences.


10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 28 Mar 2015 : Voting period ends.


10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 31 Aug 2015 : Call to close issued before this time.



AGENDA:

1. Designation of RomanRepublic.org as a competing organization (Debate and Vote)


SC:  The Senate of Nova Roma deems that the organization known and/or operating as the Roman Republic / Res Publica Romana, currently operating at the time of the enactment of this Senatus consultum under the internet domain name of http://romanrepublic.org/ , is a competing organization. 


2. Discussion of NovaRoma.org website migration (Debate only)


3. Reappointment of Marcus Pompeius Caninus as Chief Information Officer (Debate and Vote)


SC:  The Senate of Nova Roma appoints M. Pompeius Caninus as CIO/MA for a period of 2 years, effective with the passage of this Senatus Consulta. His two year term shall end on 01 September 2017 / Kalendis Septembribus MMDCCLXX A.U.C.


4. Approval of travel and expenses for the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to go to the Bank of America branch office in Maryland. Travel is required in order to transfer the assets from the account Paulinus opened. The bank will require the actions be completed in person by the CFO as an officer of the corporation (Nova Roma, Inc.). (Debate - a Vote may be called)



This is Senate session 2768-02.


Publius Porcius Licinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95428 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: August 11th in Roman History

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95429 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Avete Omnes,

Today we will begin the next phase of this discussion.  This will focus on the next chapter pages 12-21.  This section lays the groundwork of plan. 

For example, this section clearly illustrates why the Board of Directors is incompatible with the Roman side of Nova Roma.  We can go back in Nova Roma's history and draw clear examples of when the actions and inactions of magistrates impacted Nova Romas very existance.  Specifically, there was a period of time when Nova Roma lost its 501 c3 status because the annual report was not filed.  It took the appointment of a CFO (Iunia) to take the necessary steps to fix this.

Another point to consider, the position I hold, CFO of Nova Roma is an ahistorical position.  This position does not translate neatly, if at all, into one of the Res Publica positions.  Recently in a debate on the BA, I explained why.  As CFO, my position is apart from and held aloof from the magistrates of Nova Roma.  If a Tribune of the Plebs decides they want to veto me from filing the annual report to Maine I would ignore that veto.  Even if every Tribune of the Plebs tried to stop me, I would ignore them.  Why?  Simple, The corporation trumps the Res Publica and the benefits we get from that incorporation trumps those magistrates.  For me, or any CFO to fail to do their empowered responsibility would have consequences for the corporation but also those consequences would also affect the CFO personally.  In a way NR has already started on this path the moment the founders realized we needed to have a bank account and a way to raise revenue.  

Clearly there are a couple of options we could take, those options are discussed in the plan in detail.  However, we have to keep in mind one important factor.  If Nova Roma chooses to end our incorporation part of the consequences of that action would be to forfeit the funds Nova Roma has earned in its bank account and paypal.  We just would not be able to keep those assets per Maine Statute 13-B Chapter 11. 

This leads to the first question we all need to ask ourselves.  

I - Is it beneficial for Nova Roma to remain incorporated?
II - Does the ability to raise money benefit Nova Roma?
III - Is it important that we have a mechanism in place where our citizens can write off their donations (this includes taxes) to Nova Roma?

Our individual answers to these questions will shape the direction we travel.  It is important that we have both the broad picture and the narrow focus as well.

With this addendum let's go forward and discuss this section. 

Thank you for your time, your participation and most importantly your effort to help Nova Roma become more than it currently is.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Patre Patriae


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95430 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Dacia
Avete Omnes,

Today is a hugely important day for the Provincia of Dacia.  Please take a moment to explore these links and read more about the very important province of Nova Roma and of the Roman Empire.





Enjoy!

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95431 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Intro and Chap. 1.
Ave Petrus,

I hope that over the course of the discussion the areas of confusion will lessened.

In essence what Nova Roma is doing with this plan is what most not for profits have done for themselves, delineated zones of authority in order to more effectively govern and reach its goals.  Let me give you a personal example, I attended college at California Baptist College (now University).  I was employed there as a student worker while I was working towards my Bachelors Degree and when I went up for a promotion to be a full time employee and assistant to the Dean of Evening College I had to interview with the President of the College who promptly fired me because I am Jewish. I, of course, began to sue the College for violation of my Civil Rights, Violation of Title IX etc etc etc.  The college offered a defense that there are more than one entity of Cal Baptist and as one of those entities is the Cal Baptist Foundation which was incorporated as a not for profit religious organization that it trumped the other entities thus giving the college leverage to conduct its business, get access to Federal Funds while at the same time able to ignore not only Title IX requirements but also the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  This was one of the primary legal issues that was consistently debate until the case was resolved.

Now, lets bring this back to NR.  NR as it is currently constructed deals with a lot of conflict because the corporation conflicts with the goals of the Res Publica. What this plan does, simply speaking is to divide the entities with their own zone of responsibility and controls.  It establishes a system of interaction between the two entities and by doing so will solve once and for all those reasons for conflict within NR with the added advantage that the Res Publica side will be able to focus more completely on matters that will enhance that zone of operation and the Corporation side will be able to complete their responsibilities with no conflict from the Res Publica side. Instead of being populated with one hand doing the work of everything and as such getting into conflict repeatedly - we will now have a right and left hand to do the work more effectively.

I hope this might clear up some of the concerns and now we can focus on the next chapter of the discussion.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95432 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Laterensis Sullae omnibusque S.P.D.

The only obvious answer to your three part question would be a resounding yes.  Though our incorporation has often been, and continues to be, a pain in the ass, it's absolutely vital if we ever wish to grow beyond a couple mailing lists and a website.  Without the ability to raise money, we'll never be able to invest in proper growth, and likely would be unable to keep even the things we have.  Domain names and web hosting cost money.

The only real question to answer is if our current status, where we try to walk a line between corporate law and the needs of a respublica, is fine, or if we should reform in some way to allow us to conform better to both.  Nova Roma Reborn makes the second argument, and I tend to agree.  Under our current state, we're trying to be two contradictory things, and aren't managing either particularly well.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!



On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:32 AM, "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

Today we will begin the next phase of this discussion.  This will focus on the next chapter pages 12-21.  This section lays the groundwork of plan. 

For example, this section clearly illustrates why the Board of Directors is incompatible with the Roman side of Nova Roma.  We can go back in Nova Roma's history and draw clear examples of when the actions and inactions of magistrates impacted Nova Romas very existance.  Specifically, there was a period of time when Nova Roma lost its 501 c3 status because the annual report was not filed.  It took the appointment of a CFO (Iunia) to take the necessary steps to fix this.

Another point to consider, the position I hold, CFO of Nova Roma is an ahistorical position.  This position does not translate neatly, if at all, into one of the Res Publica positions.  Recently in a debate on the BA, I explained why.  As CFO, my position is apart from and held aloof from the magistrates of Nova Roma.  If a Tribune of the Plebs decides they want to veto me from filing the annual report to Maine I would ignore that veto.  Even if every Tribune of the Plebs tried to stop me, I would ignore them.  Why?  Simple, The corporation trumps the Res Publica and the benefits we get from that incorporation trumps those magistrates.  For me, or any CFO to fail to do their empowered responsibility would have consequences for the corporation but also those consequences would also affect the CFO personally.  In a way NR has already started on this path the moment the founders realized we needed to have a bank account and a way to raise revenue.  

Clearly there are a couple of options we could take, those options are discussed in the plan in detail.  However, we have to keep in mind one important factor.  If Nova Roma chooses to end our incorporation part of the consequences of that action would be to forfeit the funds Nova Roma has earned in its bank account and paypal.  We just would not be able to keep those assets per Maine Statute 13-B Chapter 11. 

This leads to the first question we all need to ask ourselves.  

I - Is it beneficial for Nova Roma to remain incorporated?
II - Does the ability to raise money benefit Nova Roma?
III - Is it important that we have a mechanism in place where our citizens can write off their donations (this includes taxes) to Nova Roma?

Our individual answers to these questions will shape the direction we travel.  It is important that we have both the broad picture and the narrow focus as well.

With this addendum let's go forward and discuss this section. 

Thank you for your time, your participation and most importantly your effort to help Nova Roma become more than it currently is.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Patre Patriae




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95433 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Ave,

I agree with you.  The current system we have in place is simply not adequate.  Yes Caesar and I have created a system that has proven successful in the short term and as such NR is more stable now than it has been ever in its existence.  However, all we have done is stabilize the ship of state and kicked the can down the road when it comes to addressing the foundational issues - when the second civil war ended.  Now, given that NR is stable and growing again and the immediate issues (except for the website) have been resolved is the time to deal with the largest source of conflict in Nova Roma and that is ultimately the relationship between the Res Publica and the Corporation. We have been afforded a special time in that NR is in an ideal position to implement these necessary changes.   

In short, NR would not be able to function for long without the incorporation - thus that is absolutely necessary.
NR would also not be NR without the Res Publica - thus that is absolutely necessary.

They simply cannot be combined - we tried that and it does not work.  The corporation as initially completely ignored and that cost us when our status was revoked until we took steps to become more corporate compliant.  One can see our history with Maine to see the period where we lost our active status!

This leaves the only remaining untried option  - to create a division of responsibilities, which many not for profits already have in place.  This, I believe is the future of Nova Roma.

Respectfully,

Sula



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95434 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Dacia
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Thank you.
Today the Nova Roman province of Dacia celebrates its 10th Dies Natalis. I set this date of 11th August as Dies Natalis Daciae Novae Romae ten years ago, exactly to point out the date of 11th August 106 AC which signifies the end of the Dacian Wars and the first mention of Dacia as Roman province.

VALE ET VALETE,
Sabinus


"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95435 From: cmc Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Dacia

Salve Sabine et Salvete Omnes!

 

Happy birthday, Dacia, and, Sabine, I hope that the Provincia continues to prosper and grow!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95436 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Salve,

Is the CFO position not technically titled Curator aerarii?  While a nonsense position in the historical Republic, the Romans were more than willing to adapt.  The CA is supposed to have two financial officers under him/her who could be renamed to Quaestores aerarii, based on the historical position as those in charge of the public treasury.

If the concern would be a tribune offering a veto the the Curator aerarii, could we not mandate by law that the CA could only be vetoed by unanimous decision of both Consuls?  If such happened, surely said hypothetical CA would not be acting in Nova Roma's best interests.

This cleans up the magistrate veto issue at the very least and fits more in line with traditional Roman politicking, no?

-Titus Domitius Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95437 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-11
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Structures and Safeguards
Ave,

No it is not.  I wrote legislation with the assistance of Metellus and Enoida and had revisions by Caesar.  Presented and voted twice by the Senate of Nova Roma once under Cato and Venator's Consulship and a second time under Caesar and Valerianus's Consulship.  Both of those times the legislation never once mentioned Curator Aeraii. 

The issue boils down to this, I will not jeopardize Nova Roma's financial standing to individuals who have no financial experience.  There are too many consequences that can be reasonable foreseen.

The problem is there have been a history of citizens in Nova Roma who believe the Res Publica trumps the Corporation.  They had a nickname once the NR Michigan Militia.  There still might be citizens who feel that way, that's fine if they do, individuals can have any opinion they wish.  Magistrates should be more nuanced and be able to weigh the pros and cons of such position and again, unfortunately NR has a history of electing citizens into positions that lack that skill thus we have had this conflict repeatedly to a point where the Civil War was only resolved when the appointed Dictator actually spoke to a Lawyer (his own lawyer) and was told he would be held personally liable if he acted.  

I hope I have answered your questions.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95438 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-12
Subject: August 12th in History
  • 12 Aug 30 BCE
    12 August 30: After Octavian has declined to negotiate, Cleopatra reportedly commits suicide; Marc Antonydoes the same. Their children survive, but Caesarion is killed.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95439 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-12
Subject: Re: Dacia
SALVE!

Thank you. It is good we keep the road.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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