Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Aug 20-30, 2015
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95614 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95615 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95616 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95617 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95618 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95619 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95620 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95621 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95622 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95623 From: cfurius Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95624 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95625 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95626 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95627 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95628 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95629 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95630 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95631 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95632 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95633 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95634 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95635 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95636 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95637 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95638 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95639 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: New podcasts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95640 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95641 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95642 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95643 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95644 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95645 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95646 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95647 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95648 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95649 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95650 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95651 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95652 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95653 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95654 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95655 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95656 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95657 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95658 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95659 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95660 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95661 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95662 From: Roger Doyle Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95663 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95664 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95665 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95666 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95667 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95668 From: aquarius44444@ymail.com Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Reregistered for the 2768 census
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95669 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95670 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95671 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95672 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95673 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95674 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95675 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95676 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95677 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95678 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95679 From: Roger Doyle Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95680 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95681 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95682 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95683 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95684 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95686 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95687 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95688 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95689 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95690 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95691 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95692 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95693 From: Denise Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95694 From: alectocles Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95695 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95696 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95697 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95698 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Back Alley
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95699 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95700 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95701 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95702 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95703 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Taxes and Marketing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95704 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95705 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95706 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95707 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95708 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95709 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95710 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95711 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95712 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95713 From: l_fidelius_graecus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95714 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95715 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95717 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95718 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95719 From: Q.Albia Corvina Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95720 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95721 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: In-Person Meetings: Some suggestions for individuals.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95722 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95723 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95724 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95725 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95726 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95727 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95728 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95729 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95730 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Aug. 29. Nova Roma event in Pannonia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95731 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95732 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Populi Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95733 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95734 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Aug. 29. Nova Roma event in Pannonia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95735 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: In-Person Meetings: Some suggestions for individuals.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95736 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95737 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95738 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95739 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95740 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95741 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95742 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95743 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95744 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95745 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95746 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95747 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95748 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95749 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95750 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95751 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95752 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Taxpayment levels
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95753 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95754 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95755 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95756 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95757 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95758 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: ROME - HBO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95759 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95760 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95761 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95762 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95763 From: xai776@yahoo.com Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] ROME - HBO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95764 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] ROME - HBO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95765 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95766 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95767 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95768 From: reenbru Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95769 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95770 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95771 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95772 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95773 From: cfurius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95774 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95775 From: decimuscurtius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95776 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95777 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95778 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95779 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95780 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95781 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95782 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95783 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95784 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Provinces in the Album Civium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95786 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95787 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95788 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95789 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Daily Latin comment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95790 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95791 From: dusio54 Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: New Civis.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95614 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Caninus Muscae s.p.d.

Separating Nova Roma, Inc. from the res publica provides some insulation and protection for the intellectual property and information assets of Nova Roma, Inc. from political machinations in our res publica. The separation helps us by putting up a firewall; it makes running off with the trademark or the treasury a bit more difficult. Nova Roma, Inc. will likely be run by a broader range of personalities and interest than the res publica. The separation protects the Nova Roma brand. It also offers a way to stop an out of control Senate if events in the res publica get out of hand and people try to do crazy stuff. The general idea seems sound to me. Once this kind of separation is put in place, and it need not be exactly as laid out in Nova Roma Reborn, the winners of any future civil war are a lot less likely to hold the Nova Roma treasury in their hands.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95615 From: qfabiusmaximus Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
I cannot believe we still have this tripe.  Interesting since the person named Moravius while a Tribune, sexual harassed female members of the Gens Cornelia while trying to get them to join the Moravia.   Finally after several complaints were registered at the Praetor's office during my and the German's'  Praetorship, Moravius fled Nova Roma before we could start proceedings against him.  (Rat abandoning the ship.)  He only returned at Marinus urging when all the complainants were gone.
It was the start of great troubles for the Romans, especially for me and Equitius.
 
Q. Fabius Maximus      
 
In a message dated 8/20/2015 2:06:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95616 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
You cannot excuse your own incivility with someone else's. That's not how things work.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95617 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
And what of your uncivil tone? 

Caesar

From: "c.iunius.musca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
You cannot excuse your own incivility with someone else's. That's not how things work.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95618 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Ave Caninus,

Thank you for providing a real answer. I'm somewhat skeptical of the motives, but we'll see how it unfolds.

- Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95619 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Ave,

This the whole thing, there is nothing to be skeptical about.  This is why the plan has been discussed.  Your fear is completely unfounded.  If you had not been so insulting to Caesar and I - I would not have treated you with dismissiveness.  

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95620 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: A true lesson regarding incivility. A blast from the past
Clearly, civility is only to be applied to you and I, Caesar....

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95621 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salve!

I truly don't see why this Nova Roma Reborn project is required or even desired.  At the current, Nova Roma has enough issue staffing positions and we hemorrhage members, let alone being able to staff two corporations, and its website is barely functional.  People stealing trademarks and money sounds like a legal issue and not something that couldn't happen in-yet-another-corporation.

Too many seem to view Nova Roma as a roleplaying game where one must acquire power for the sake of it, or in the mistaken notion that they can or should rule.  No, we are not the Republic, even if many of us wouldn't mind seeing an independent Rome once more.  We are, first and foremost, a non-profit organization focused on education and religious development.

Is the religion aspect important?  Absolutely.  It was a key component of Roman life and it fascinates many people, be they true believers, Abrahamic, agnostic, or atheistic.  Should all members actively participate?  Not at all.  Though one would hope they'd at least observe and discuss out of curiosity and desire to see all aspects of ancient Roman life flourish again.

People mention not having a desire to entwine themselves in politics.  I respect that.  Only people who want to actively participate in the management of Nova Roma should run for positions, not those only seeking titles.  Our Consuls are co-presidents of a corporation.  Our Praetors are co-Vice Presidents of a corporation.  Our Senate is the Board of Directors of a corporation.  Our Governors are Regional Directors of a corporation (legates being district directors, etc).

Nova Roma needs to be reminded that it is, in fact, a corporation.  I am sickened when members of the Senate say they don't care when people leave Nova Roma.  They should, as it means there's a problem.  We need active membership, willing to pay their membership dues, and willing to participate in Nova Roma as best as they can.  Having people join is all well and good, but those numbers don't reflect those who simply go inactive.  They don't reflect those who actively pay their dues.

I came back to activity last year, phasing myself in more and more after feeling ill at how inactive my home province has become. 

There are several things that need to be changed, in my opinion, for Nova Roma to truly succeed:

1.  Income.  I've heard claims that we need to form another corporation for this, but in most cases branded merchandise is considered related to a non-profit's functions.  I can't imagine vendors wanting to take CP as currency when they have the option of actual cash, so if the CP system IS going to be used as a currency, perhaps keep it as a veterans reward-type system.  "Oh, you have 1000 points!  You can choose from pages one through four of the catalog for Nova Roma branded items!  As our thanks to you."  It rewards people actively participating, long term members, and gives them something they would otherwise have to spend cash on themselves.

2.  Education.  This should be a key focus.  We once counted among our numbers award winning authors (one of whom just said he was leaving us yesterday), educators, and historians.  We lost many of them.  Nova Roma needs to form partnerships with educational institutions.  Colleges, universities, museums, even High Schools.  Get Nova Romans access to higher education facilities for research, cheaper admission to museums, have Roman Clubs formed.  We used to have societies that discussed religion, military, philosophy.  They need to be revamped and restored for the common good.

3.  Local Focus.  Governors need to be found and appointed.  They need to file reports actively with the Senate.  They need to promote Nova Roma locally, focus on recruitment, and raise awareness.  They are directly responsible for our membership day to day.  They should be the ones organizing events, or approving their legates' attempts to organize events. 

4.  Code of Conduct.  I believe we have one, but it needs to be revised and enforced.  There are too many personal attacks on the mailing lists.  If someone is feeling angry, step back and calm down before writing.  If they get busted for a felony?  Violation of the CoC.  Remember, we're not a roleplaying group.  We are a corporation.  We have responsibilities.  What happens in the world DOES matter.  We wouldn't want an embezzler as CFO or a sex offender as part of our school outreach after all.

5.  Accountability.  This goes hand in hand with 2 through 4.  If a Legate isn't leading their local group, they need to be removed.  If a Governor isn't leading his or her province, the Governor needs to be removed.  If any of them aren't behaving within the CoC, they need to be removed.  Every position of power within Nova Roma, from local community leaders up to the Senate and Consuls, is a public position with authority and expectations.  People need to treat it as such.

6.  Website.  It (the Album Civium) needs fixing.  I've heard it's been promised for a while now?  Yet nothing's been done of note.  Who is our programmer?  Why are they not being held accountable?  If they cannot fix it, we need to find someone who can.  The main site, the wiki, is a mess and needs revision (I'd love to help, but with the Album on the fritz, I can't make a wiki account).  Things need to be readily accessible and kept up to date as the wiki is the only website we have.  
Addendum:  Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus was kind enough to make an account for me.

6a.  Forums.  While I am in favor of them in general, someone mentioned a possible issue with screen readers?  I would NEVER want to see our members disenfranchised.  We would certainly need to look into software or optional themes that would make ease of use a priority. 

Are these all rough ideas?  Absolutely.  The Senate exists.  They should be looking into each of these things or forming exploratory committees to do just that.  People with legal, management, recruiting, educational, and financial backgrounds would be ideal (and I know they exist within our membership).

We are a corporation with Roman Republican flavor, where the paying membership decides our Presidents and Vice Presidents.  We need to each remember this and together, we can truly build a better Nova Roma.
-- 
Di te incolumem custodiant!
Titus Domitius Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95622 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-20
Subject: Re: The Real World
Ave,

Nova Roma Reborn is needed because Nova Roma has elected people in the past who do not understand or want to accept the concept of the Corporation.  Nova Roma has in the past elected these people as Consuls, Praetors, Censors, and other positions.  When this happens there is conflict because, as you and I both agree, the Corporation is inseparable. 

Those of us who are currently governing Nova Roma work within the confines of that relationship.  In the past that has NOT been the case.  

Nova Roma Reborn was literally birthed as a response to Nova Roma's continued election of magistrates who ignored or wanted to ignore the Corporation.  My CFO position was drafted as a consequence of that conflict.

You agree.
I agree.
Caesar agrees
Caninus agrees

But there are people who do not agree.  Nova Roma has elected these people in the past to magisterial positions.  What happens when that happens again?  I do not want to re-fight those same battles again.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95623 From: cfurius Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salvete;

I agree with Nova Roma Reborn. We need something that can maintain the political and religious interests of Rome as well as something that can be a business.

We need something that acts like a corporation, with profit in mind. Not for shareholders, but for the Respublica.

I can't think of a better solution than two entities that are connected. This sort of thing needs checks and balances, we don't want a corporation making executive decisions on the cultus deorum.

Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95624 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salvete!

I would like to express my agreement with Draco on every point he expressed. As an educator, I would also like to firmly reiterate the need for educational programs and resources made available through NR. I am willing, and I don't think I am alone, to work to create some such resources, perhaps lesson plans to help educators give students a simulation of the Roman Republic. It would be good for NR to become known as a reliable source for such information.

Valete,
L. Marius Vestinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95625 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: Forums
Salve,

This is a great initiative. I sincerely hope that your endeavors will be successful and in the near future we will be able to use the forum as a convenient platform for communication in Nova Roma, instead of inconvenient and incomprehensible yahoo mail list.

If necessary, some of the Sarmatians with the appropriate skills and knowledge can provide you with assistance in this matter. 

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95626 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salvete,

Many citizens of the province of Sarmatia partially agree with Vedius Germanicus.

Most citizens of the province are members of the reenactment community. Six years ago, when we entered Nova Roma, we were confident that with Nova Roma, we will achieve more in the restoration of Ancient Rome. Because by the efforts of several community can always achieve more than by the efforts of just one community.

However, over time, it appears that Nova Roma is far from real life. All the activities of Nova Roma is reduced exclusively to internet activity. Activity of Nova Roma in real life is reduced to the activity of single provinces, but not the state (Nova Roma) as a whole. Our community is active in real life, but the New Rome does not take any part in this activity. At each event, we promote Nova Roma, focusing on the fact that we are part of the Nova Roma. However, we can organize the same event, reenact Rome without the participation in Nova Roma. But all these years, we do not do that and continuing to be part of the New Rome. 

But Nova Roma has forgotten about us. A few years Nova Roma was not interested in the situation in the province. In connection with the change in the law in Russia, we are now forced to make a choice on whether to remain part of Nova Roma. I can not interested citizens to be a part of Nova Roma, if Nova Roma is not interested in the citizens of the province.

There are active citizens who live in America. Other citizens are presented in mail list slightly. This prevents the language barrier and the fact that mail list is extremely inconvenient for the majority. How can interested citizens to be active on the Internet, if Nova Roma using inconvenient and incomprehensible platform for communication? I was glad to hear that the current Consul is working on a forum, it is a step in the right direction.

I think that Nova Roma have to create a convenient platform to communicate, to organize a truly global projects in real life. Nova Roma, as a state, have to involve the residents in the province in social and political processes in Nova Roma. For example, the province can independently organize a holiday of Saturnalia in real life, but alone, the province can not build a Roman settlement. Also citizens of the province is not interested in the elections in Nova Roma because there are no any candidates from the province, For this reason, none of the future magistrates is not interesting in situation and future citizens of our province. Some citizens of the province say that "if Nova Roma has forgot about us, we should forget about Nova Roma".

I hope that things will change for the better in the near future.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95627 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Ave Omnes,

Might I be so bold as to interject a few thoughts on the three points made by Flavius Vedius Germanicus, Pater Patriae.   It is heady to interpose thoughts in a discussion between Germanicus and Luciuis Cornelia Sulla Felix, Pater Patriae.  

I tend to agree that activities outside of politics in Nova Roma is problematic.   Yet I fear this problem is quite difficult at best to resolve.  In my province of Texia the sheer distances inhibit much interest in face-to-face events.  During my tenure as Legatus pro Praetore I have repeatedly attempted to raise interest in an event, yet have never received any response, positive or negative.  I remain open to suggestions.

The next topic raised by Germanicus is that "we suffer from a lack of respect for, and practice of, the Religio, which is Nova Roma's entire reason for being."   In our case, my wife and I became citizens of Nova Roma our of our interest in Ancient Rome and its civilization, not due to any interest in the Religio.  In fact we were assured by a distinguished Novar Roman that adherence to the Religio was not a prerequisite.   When I have assumed offices, both elected and appointed, I swore to respect the Religio.  I have kept that oath.   My willingness to do so is born out of my innate personal belief in freedom of religion.  But I strongly oppose the imposition of religious beliefs and tenets.  Is that not the cause of much turmoil in the world today?  Might I suggest that the strong emphasis on the Religio suggested by Germanicus may well be a hindrance to acquiring new citizens?  In my humble opinion it is.   I am reminded that generally speaking Ancient Rome allowed freedom of religion, unless a particular creed was perceived to oppose Rome, and certainly did not impose religious beliefs on its citizens.  Is there a lesson here to be learned?

Lastly is the issue of civility.   Germanicus asserts that "we suffer from a distinct lack of civility."  This is interesting.  Over the years I have often raised the issue of civility, only to be urged that the incivility I perceived was simply vigorous debate.   It is gratifying that a Pater Patriae recognizes the problem.

Vale optime,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore of the Province of Texia
Legatus Legionis, Legio XIII Gemina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95628 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Caninus Severo s.p.d.

Rest assured Nova Roma has not forgotten Sarmatia.

Мы ценим Сарматию.

We have had some miscommunication. I and others here believed the citizens of Provincia Sarmatia gave up on Nova Roma. I would very much like to have all of the citizens of Provincia Sarmatia remain as citizens of Nova Roma. Over time we could build closer ties through real world projects. I am very pleased to learn that the citizens in Ð’оркута́ are working with a group in ÐšÑ€Ñ‹Ð¼ for reenactment activities. 

But we have to be realistic. Working together will take time due to the language barrier, the distance and world events. Additionally, Nova Roma is struggling with concerns about it own future, as you can see in many messages on the Main List. Nova Roma also recognizes the pressure your citizens may face from Federal authorities since Nova Roma is largely governed by people from the USA and European Union. There may be a personal price each Sarmatian citizen pays for being associated with Nova Roma, in addition to any Federal requirements your reenactment group must meet. Your citizens may very well and correctly feel there is little benefit for staying with Nova Roma. We must be honest and acknowledge the fact that little will be done in the course of the next year, perhaps longer. You must take this into consideration when making the decision to remain with Nova Roma or to break off the relationship. But I do hope Nova Roma and Provincia Sarmatia can work together. 

Some of the citizens of Sarmatia are qualified for elected offices in Nova Roma. You, Severe, are qualified to be Praetor, and as a lawyer and reenactor I am sure you would be a good Praetor for Nova Roma. If the language barrier could be overcome perhaps we could have several elected officers from Sarmatia serving Nova Roma. I would welcome more qualified candidates for our elections. I would like more reenactors to serve in Nova Roman offices.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95629 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-21
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salve,

I personally care about the situations all provinces seem to find themselves in and believe every member of Nova Roma to be important. Our membership, our citizens, are our life blood. Without them we are nothing. Republic or corporation, without members we cannot last. This is why I believe local focus is the key, because members are more likely to be willing to urge others to join when they see an active, welcoming community.

I would love to see more provincial and cultural representation in Nova Roma, but if people won't put their own names forward how can we hope to achieve that? Perhaps people need to think about what a position in Nova Roma equates to. As a corporation, one could easily put in their resume that they served as a Vice President (Praetor) of an international nonprofit. It's good padding, but one must be willing to out in the time to make Nova Roma thrive. Are there Samartians willing to do that? If so, have them step forward next year during elections!

I fully admit now that I intend to seek office next year, but i would be honored to see committed Nova Romans running for the same positions. It means that they truly want a hand in shaping our future.

Vale,
Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95630 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Century/Voting Inquiry

Salve,


Speaking of the site, in particular the Album Civium, the current elections made me go over my profile.  


In theory, the more century points you have, the more you're moved to more weighted voting blocs (different "classes" of centuries).  


According to the Album Civium, I have sixty (60) century points yet I am in Century XXXI, the "lowest" century reserved for new members and those who haven't paid taxes.  In theory their vote lacks "purchase power" that the other centuries would hold (so to speak, as they only affect their century's vote and 31 is the largest century).  


I'd like to know if my vote counts as per the proper century I -would- be in, if at all.  I'm also curious how many others this affects.  I am not keen on the idea of voter disenfranchisement due to bugs. 


Vale,

Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95631 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Report from Rome
Cn. Lentulus praefectus Italiae, quaestor, pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.

We have returned from our trip to Rome where I went with Popillia Laenas. We met citizens of Nova Roma Italia, we discussed the possibilities of organizing the VIIth International NR Conventus in Rome, and I examined the Dea Diana Bed and Breakfast from the points of view of this purpose. There are things still to discuss and ponder, and I intend to talk this with the aediles traditionally charged with the supervision of the main conventus.

I am moved and proud also to report that while we were in Rome, I conducted and offered sacrifices for Nova Roma and for all of you, citizens and magistrates, on the real locations of the original Roman sacred sites.

The libums I sacrificed were made by my own hands according to the traditional ancient Roman sacrificial recipe, before we left Pannonia.

I sacrificed at the following sacred places:

- On the Capitolium, ruins of the temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus: two rituals on two different days, once with one libum, wine and incense, next time with two libums, wine and incense.
- On the Forum Romanum, the Comitium place, next to the Curia, calling the Spirits of the Populus Romanus: two libums, wine and incense. 
- Forum Romanum, temple of Concordia: I am sacerdos of Concordia, so it was a highlighted ritual in my quest. I sacrificed one libum.
- Forum Romanum, temple of Divus Iulius, one libum and wine.
- Via Sacra, temple of Venus and Roma. One libum to Venus, one libum to Goddess Roma.
- Mausoleum of Divus Augustus, who has just closed celebrations of his 2000th anniversary of divinity, libum and wine.
- Pantheon, temple of all Gods, wine was sacrificed.


Valete!

Cn. Lentulus, quaestor, pontifex
praefectus Italiae
leg. pr. pr. Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95632 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salve,

I want to thank you, Consul, for your kind words. The most important thing, and what we see and understand the problem. And I am glad that we are looking for solutions to this problem together. As I mentioned earlier, we noted the positive developments that have taken place in the New Rome  in recent years. This positive trend should not be over.

Once again thank you for your efforts. Virtus unita fortior.

Vale, 
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95633 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Salve,

Yes, I agree with you Draco, that the big question is what are guided by those who want to take a particular position. For future magistrates public benefits should be above personal benefit. Thus, the prosperity of New Rome - the main goal of any magistrate. However, each of us sees the ways to achieve this goal in different ways. 
I see ways to achieve this goal and I want to approximate the time when the society of Nova Roma reaches this goal. 

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95634 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World
Ave,

Uh I would like to take a slight issue at least with my personal experience.  There is no personal benefit, I have found.  I guess the only personal benefit is if one just wants the title without doing anything once they get it.  Because the reality, as Tink mentioned when she and her colleague were called dictator.  Which mimic my own experiences.  There is no personal benefit.  Instead there is personal loss, a loss of time - free time I could spend with my job or family.  Stress- if any of you have ever gone through an IRS audit...you know exactly what I mean... the sleepless nights trying to get a project set to completion.  

Anyone who thinks this is fun, games, and a way to personal glory is going to be vastly disappointed.  This is work and if you don't love it, you will end up disliking it and probably drifting away from the organization once your term is done. 

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95635 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Ave,

On my spreadsheet you are on Tribe 25 - Century 24.  

It should be reflected in the Album as that.

This is why I made a transparent system to ensure ease of determining ones class.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95636 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Caninus Draconi s.p.d.

I am concerned about the problem you mentioned. I am unable to duplicate the issue. The Album Civium shows you are in tribe 25 and century 24. The database shows the same tribe and century. The database also indicates the last time your record was modified was in 2011. If your ballot receipt shows a different tribe or century please forward a copy to me. The ballot receipt is the authoritative record for where the diribitores count your vote. According to all records your vote in the comitia were cast in the correct tribe and century. 

I am unable to determine why you may have seen century XXXI in the Album Civium since this information is directly populated from a query of the database. The Album Civium is showing the correct information, as I stated above. I can find no evidence of any kind of 'bug'. 

If anyone has any question regarding their vote, please send a copy of your ballot receipt to me. I will ensure the diribitores have the correct ballot information. I know of two cases where ballots were when the Cista opened but their tribe and century were not set correctly in the database. This was due to a timing issue, the website was ready but not all of the information was entered in the database. There are checks and balances to ensure the votes are counted correctly before the final results are posted. The ballot receipt is just one check. The votes are logged and comparisons are made on tribes and centuries when the Cista is opened and when the Cista is closed.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95637 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Cn. Lentulus diribitor quaestor M. Pompeio cos. sal.

Esteemed consul, I as diribitor have got vote to count from century 51 when only 31 centuries exist. I think this problem has to be examined and addressed. Approximately there are 20 citizens mistakenly assigned to the nonexistent century 51.

I would like to see such mistakes corrected and I am also willing to help if needed to make sure all citizens are allocated in centuries and tribes according to law.

Vale, consul illustris!
Lentulus
diribitor-quaestor


Da: "'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Caninus Draconi s.p.d.

I am concerned about the problem you mentioned. I am unable to duplicate the issue. The Album Civium shows you are in tribe 25 and century 24. The database shows the same tribe and century. The database also indicates the last time your record was modified was in 2011. If your ballot receipt shows a different tribe or century please forward a copy to me. The ballot receipt is the authoritative record for where the diribitores count your vote. According to all records your vote in the comitia were cast in the correct tribe and century. 

I am unable to determine why you may have seen century XXXI in the Album Civium since this information is directly populated from a query of the database. The Album Civium is showing the correct information, as I stated above. I can find no evidence of any kind of 'bug'. 

If anyone has any question regarding their vote, please send a copy of your ballot receipt to me. I will ensure the diribitores have the correct ballot information. I know of two cases where ballots were when the Cista opened but their tribe and century were not set correctly in the database. This was due to a timing issue, the website was ready but not all of the information was entered in the database. There are checks and balances to ensure the votes are counted correctly before the final results are posted. The ballot receipt is just one check. The votes are logged and comparisons are made on tribes and centuries when the Cista is opened and when the Cista is closed.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95638 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: Re: The Real World

Avete Omnes,

I read the Propraetor of Sarmatia's message and while I'm sure most, if not all of us echo the importance of our citizens in Nova Roma...and having served in the past I'm left with more questions.  I think on the whole I am  just as concerned as much as I have questions.

This, I believe, is an appropriate topic given the influx of new citizens into Nova Roma.

1.  What do our citizens actually expect from the central government.  It's not like we are the United States or European country which can physically provide for the welfare and physical protection of our citizens....so what do you expect from the government?

2. Do you even know who your provincial governor is? Have you had more than 1 correspondence with your governor?

3. What do you expect out of the provincial administration?   Is the current provincial administration meeting the needs of its stakeholders?  Are the current governors and staff working to advance Nova Roma within their jurisdiction?  If yes, how?  If not, why not?    

4.  Do you get more involvement and response from the email lists vs your local and provincial groups?  

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95639 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-22
Subject: New podcasts
Avete Omnes,

I found 2 new podcasts that might be of interest:


I have just started listening to the Life of Caesar and of course they mentioned my namesake so I am all full of enthusiasm!. :)  Hope you enjoy!

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95640 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Salve,

I knew my class (through the census points), Sulla. 

The issue I had was that the Album Civum wasn't reflecting that.  Until some point after I posted about the issue I was in Century XXXI and Tribe XXXV (Suburana).  This is how it appeared on two desktops, my netbook, and my phone so I know it wasn't a cache issue.  It is for that reason that I believe Sulla or someone else with the ability corrected the situation, Caninus.

It certainly seems as though the member rolls need to be glanced over to make certain all are in their proper groups.  Ideally before the big elections next year.  I'm just curious why the site wasn't updating itself.  Either way, I'd gladly volunteer to help with that.

As an aside, I didn't realize tribe changed with CP as well.

-Titus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95641 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Salvete,

Unrelated to the century, my album civum page shows my province as Mediatlantica. I live in Virginia, though. I suppose it isn't a huge deal, but if we start planning local events, I should be listed with the appropriate province.

Valete,
Musca 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95642 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95643 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Caninus Draconi s.p.d.

Sulla does a lot of work checking the tribes and centuries before each election. I also do some checking and let him know when I find issues with tribe and century assignments. I should have done more checks for this election. Some citizens had an incorrect tribe or century assigned when the Cista opened. This is not unusual. We anticipate some issues with tribe and century assignments. Which is why I check tribes and centuries after the Cista closes but before the final count is made in each election. Each of us is responsible for making sure our own Census Points, tribe and century are correctly recorded in the Album Civium. But most of us do not check our tribe or century until we are casting a ballot. Thus, I expect to see changes while the Cista is open and that is why I run a voter code report after each election that lists the voter code, tribe and century of everyone, whether they cast a ballot or not, and match that up to the ballot receipt log to produce a final list of official ballots in each comitia with the voter code, tribe or century, and the voter's selections from the ballot. The voter code report and the list of official ballots do not identify who cast which vote. Keep in mind also that voter codes do not change during an election and the Cista does not prevent a citizen from casting multiple ballots so a citizen could vote, see there is a problem with their tribe or century, talk to Sulla to get the problem corrected and then vote again. When the ballots are counted only one ballot will be counted for each voter code where more than one ballot was cast. So, be sure to check the ballot receipt and resolve any problem before the Cista closes because you can vote again.

Tribes most definitely do change based on both tax payment and Census Points. See lex Cornelia de classibus et ordine equestri paragraph VII.a.vii. There are 35 tribes: 31 are called "rural tribes" that are reserved for assiduus citizens; and 4 are called the "urban tribes" that are reserved for the capite censi and citizens with less than 16 Census Points. Thus new citizens may be in the urban tribes (tribes 32 through 35) for as little as six months to as much as two years depending on their activity and whether or not they pay their taxes. 

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95644 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Salve Marca.

The new province names are in the database. Citizen records will be updated before the general elections. 

Bene vale. 

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95645 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-23
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Salve,

I cannot thank you enough for these efforts on my behalf and that of the rest of our citizens. These real-world actions, meeting your fellow cives and making real sacrifices to our Gods, are a model that others should follow. 

Thank you.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95646 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Century/Voting Inquiry
Salve!

Caninus, I realize that now.  It, however, isn't mentioned at all on the Census Points page on the wiki (via article link or in plain text).  Hence my surprise.  I know historically, the tribes were based on locale rather than anything else arbitrary so as a result I was't aware that it too was linked to CPs.

I' m sure going through the citizens and making sure the data is correct is quite a bit of work.  It's why I'm willing to volunteer (even without access to the DB itself.  I would gladly go from account to account finding apparent errors to be corrected.  

Musca, Mediatlantica used to consist of the US states of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia as well as Washington, DC.  Many of the US-based provinces were once much larger than they are today, having been split up in...2013, I believe.  It seems the Album Civium still reflects the old borders.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95647 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Salve,

I find the idea of offerings interesting.  I must ask though, do the local authorities approve/allow this?  I know in the past we've gotten permission for such things before hand.  Do they encourage it or are they seemingly reluctant?

I find the social aspect of this fascinating, especially when it concerns the governments that sprung from the chaos of Rome's fall.

Vale, 
Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95648 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Cn. Lentulus T. Domitio s. p. d.

The government of the Republic of Italy, or the city government of Rome don't have directly anything to do with this. The ancient ruins of Rome belong to the Sovrarintendenza Archeologica di Roma, if there is anything that should be asked, this authority would be that. However, they are not concerned with such minor things. Any visitor can do this, but actually visitors do much more stranger things like this. If we were to do mass demonstrations or we would assemble in larger groups at such ancient sites which are accessible only with tickets, I am sure a permission should be obtained first. But if 2-3 people stand quietly in front of a temple ruin, recite a prayer in normal, conversation volume of voice, and place a little (2 cm diameter) cake on a piece of stone, it is both so unnoticeable and disturbing to no one, that nobody cares about it, not even the ruin area guards who are, by the way, walking around everywhere monitoring the security of the archaeological remains. The ruins of Rome are not private property, and most of the things that can be done anywhere in the streets of Rome, the same thing is allowed at the ruins area, too. 

The rules are even more relaxed at the Capitolium or at the Pantheon, which aren't part of the closed (entry by ticket) area. The spot where the temple of Juppiter Optimus Maximus stood or where the Pantheon stands are regular streets of Rome, where you can do anything you want until it is not a mass demonstration.

Cura, ut valeas!

Da: "KarlvonRoma@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

I find the idea of offerings interesting.  I must ask though, do the local authorities approve/allow this?  I know in the past we've gotten permission for such things before hand.  Do they encourage it or are they seemingly reluctant?

I find the social aspect of this fascinating, especially when it concerns the governments that sprung from the chaos of Rome's fall.

Vale, 
Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95649 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Well, during the Conventus in Rome, exactly that Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma representatives expelled me and Cato from the ancient Forum because we worn the roman tunic and toga. I guess they believed we are dressed this way for photos with turists. However they didn't wanted to listen our and our Italian friends arguments. They simple expelled us. Serapio, Perusianus and Iulius Sulla were not able to determine them to understand our reason.

I don't want to say is not possible to perform something there. I strongly believe that approval is necessary. If not, is a risk anytime.

VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95650 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Re: Report from Rome
Lentulus Sabino s. p. d.

We did not wear Roman clothes so it was not an issue this time. The point is that the archaeological area's security personel do not care about what 2-3 people do until it does not seem like a deviation, or until it is not a larger demonstration. It is a different problem that there are some people there who dress up in Roman clothes to make photos with tourists for money, and they aren't allowed into the archaeological area (ticket entry area), so entering in Roman clothes may cause problems. But if one enters in modern clothes, there should be no problem with minor offerings or whatsoever.

I am not sure if "no Roman clothes" is a policy, or if it is still a policy there, or if ir depends on the guards' members personal attitude, so possibly the safest way is to talk with a superior in the Sopraintendenza beforhand.

Vale!



Da: "iulius sabinus iulius_sabinus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Well, during the Conventus in Rome, exactly that Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma representatives expelled me and Cato from the ancient Forum because we worn the roman tunic and toga. I guess they believed we are dressed this way for photos with turists. However they didn't wanted to listen our and our Italian friends arguments. They simple expelled us. Serapio, Perusianus and Iulius Sulla were not able to determine them to understand our reason.

I don't want to say is not possible to perform something there. I strongly believe that approval is necessary. If not, is a risk anytime.

VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95651 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-24
Subject: Google AdWords results
Caninus omnibus sal.

Three days ago I started a Google AdWords campaign for Nova Roma. The results so far are interesting. There have been over 10,000 impressions - about 3,200 per day. The most clicks we received were from mobile devices in the USA - more than twice as many mobile devices as desktops. In Canada we had more desktops click through than mobile devices. In both countries we did not get any clicks from tablet users, which seems a bit odd. The low number of tablet impressions seems to suggest few people search for ancient Rome on their tablets. The other point the stands out is that, so far at least, only people in the USA and Canada clicking on our ad. 


Country/TerritoryDevice
Impressions
Clicks
Cost
United StatesTablet2200$0.00
United StatesMobile6,76720$3.19
United StatesDesktop2,5475$0.85
United StatesOther00$0.00
CanadaTablet1050$0.00
CanadaMobile4281$0.11
CanadaDesktop7174$0.89
CanadaOther00$0.00

Country/TerritoryRegionImpressions
Clicks
Avg. CPC
United StatesCalifornia1,1966$0.15
United StatesTexas8473$0.18
CanadaOntario5023$0.19
United StatesGeorgia3823$0.15
United StatesDistrict of Columbia1753$0.21
United StatesFlorida6482$0.12
United StatesUnspecified9431$0.16
United StatesPennsylvania2671$0.14
United StatesTennessee2551$0.16
United StatesOhio2101$0.14
CanadaQuebec2091$0.17
CanadaBritish Columbia2071$0.27
United StatesArizona1951$0.07
United StatesNorth Carolina1821$0.24
United StatesKansas811$0.18
United StatesWest Virginia171$0.17
United StatesNew York6500$0.00
United StatesIllinois3750$0.00
United StatesMichigan2480$0.00
United StatesVirginia2040$0.00
United StatesMissouri1820$0.00
United StatesWashington1770$0.00
United StatesMassachusetts1700$0.00
United StatesSouth Carolina1600$0.00
United StatesMinnesota1530$0.00
United StatesNew Jersey1440$0.00
United StatesColorado1340$0.00
United StatesIndiana1340$0.00
CanadaAlberta1290$0.00
United StatesMaryland1210$0.00
United StatesKentucky1070$0.00
United StatesWisconsin1000$0.00
United StatesConnecticut970$0.00
United StatesLouisiana910$0.00
United StatesOklahoma910$0.00
United StatesUtah880$0.00
United StatesOregon860$0.00
United StatesNevada760$0.00
CanadaUnspecified710$0.00
United StatesAlabama660$0.00
United StatesArkansas640$0.00
United StatesMississippi640$0.00
United StatesNebraska640$0.00
United StatesNew Hampshire450$0.00
United StatesIowa390$0.00
United StatesNew Mexico380$0.00
CanadaManitoba370$0.00
CanadaNova Scotia320$0.00
United StatesMaine300$0.00
United StatesHawaii280$0.00
CanadaNew Brunswick250$0.00
United StatesIdaho240$0.00
CanadaSaskatchewan220$0.00
United StatesNorth Dakota200$0.00
United StatesRhode Island130$0.00
United StatesVermont120$0.00
CanadaNewfoundland and Labrador110$0.00
United StatesMontana100$0.00
United StatesSouth Dakota100$0.00
United StatesAlaska90$0.00
United StatesDelaware90$0.00
CanadaPrince Edward Island40$0.00
United StatesWyoming30$0.00
CanadaNorthwest Territories10$0.00


Bene valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95652 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Salve,

I would think it would depend on what Google views as "tablets".  There are some which are essentially just larger cellphones.  Microsoft tablets are essentially PCs (with attachable keyboards), so which are they classed as?

Though having large numbers of phones doesn't really surprise me.  People are out and not near their desktop or simply bored so they start searches of topics they find interesting.

Does novaroma.org have awstats installed?  Usually gives a really good breakdown of information similar to above (excluding "cost").

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95653 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Forums
Salvette!

Great initiative, guys!  Support words of my Praetore Severus.

Forum is more efficient and comfort as mail list. Also we can create multilangual categories (or even multilangual forum? ) for citizens bad knowing English.

Vale,
Marcus Flavius Celsus,
Sarmatia Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95654 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.

EX OFFICIO CENSORIS P. ANNÆI CONSTANTINI PLACIDI


 

Censor Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

 

With this Edict I would like to announce the upcoming Official Nova Roma Census for the year 2768 a.U.c./2015 AD, starting on August 28th at midnight, Rome time, and ending on December 13th at midnight, Rome time.


All citizens are thus invited to register to the Census according to the process stated below. Failing to register on the Census will cause the loss of full citizenship. Those who do not register on the Census will be considered disappeared from Nova Roma, and until they do not contact Nova Roma again, their Album Civium page and civic rights will be shut down.

 

Citizens who joined Nova Roma this year need not answer the Census. 2015 citizens are automatically counted as registered.

 

CENSUS REGISTRATION PROCESS

 
I.   Please e-mail either  of the addresses below with your full Roman name AND your citizen ID number:

-  ugo DOT coppola AT tin DOT it (myself)...

-  charlesaranowitz AT sympatico DOT ca (my Scriba, C. Claudius Quadratus)

 

Please use “NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768” (all capitals, with no quotes) as the subject line of your e-mail.
Do  not put anything else in the subject line, otherwise your mail is likely to be lost or not counted.


II.  For newer citizens not familiar with where to find your ID#, go to the Album civium page here:
 
            http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

        A. Enter either your full or partial Roman name and search your entry in the Album.
 
        B. A box will show with your name hyper-linked inside it. Click on the link to open your full Album page. Your ID number is displayed to the right to a black filled box labelled "Citizen ID #:" Please quote this number in your e-mail.


III. Next log into your Album account (log in boxes at the top right of your main Album page - you can use your full Roman name or your citizen ID# without the brackets), and click on the link MY ACCOUNT.


       A. Check your address, telephone and e-mail details are correct. If your e-mail needs updating, you can edit it yourself. Please do so, this is most important. 

         The e-mail address you use to send the Census registration email MUST be the same one that is recorded in your Album civium account. If they do not match, you will NOT be registered for the census. 
 
         PLEASE NOTE: YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM EITHER MYSELF OR MY SCRIBA INFORMING YOU THE E-MAIL ADDRESSES DO NOT MATCH, SO ASSUME YOU WILL NOT AND CHECK YOUR DETAILS IN THE ALBUM YOURSELF!

 
       B. Updates in address and telephone number must be e-mailed to myself, and you can use this Census registration e-mail to notify me of updates required.


 IV.  If you complete the required steps above and your email address matches, then this will constitute your registration for the Nova Roman Census. 

 

       Results of citizens who have answered the Census call will be uploaded to the Nova Roman Wiki in due course.


V.   You are also reminded that you MUST register even if you voted in the 2015 end of year elections. If you have paid the Nova Roman tax for this current tax year you are already census compliant and need not e-mail.
 
VI.  All provincial governors and legates are required to post this to their provincial mailing lists, if such a list exists and/or is accessible by them.


Optime valete omnes!

P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus

Censor, Nova Roma



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95655 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Caninus Draco sal.

I am trying to answer the question, "Is there a way to cheaply or freely influence the way people find us if they have never heard of Nova Roma before?" Web stats are nice but what I want is to actually influence traffic, not simply report on it or see where our traffic, which is chiefly from Nova Roma members, may originate. So, the number of impressions, the number of clicks and the cost per click are important metrics. The stats from Google AdWords give us an idea of where people are who are searching for terms like ancient Rome, Roman Empire and Roman Republic. The extent of influence for this test is constrained due to the fact that only a single search engine is being used and the ad and the search terms are only in English. I still need to try similar testing in Europe using ad text and search terms in appropriate languages. Will we see an uptick in membership applications from France, Germany or Spain if we used Google AdWords targeted to those markets? That's something I'd like to find out. 

The results from this test seem to indicate that more people are searching for the terms I requested through mobile devices, like cell phones and phablets, than through desktops. I did not expect to see a lot of searches for ancient Rome, etc. from mobile devices. Clearly, a significant portion of the English language searches in North America are likely being made by students in high schools or colleges researching term papers or doing assignments through mobile browsers. This, in hind sight, seems obvious but it surprised me because although I used computers in high school, that was with mainframes before the invention of the PC and long before the general public could access what would eventually become the Internet. It looks like we can influence traffic fairly cheaply but most of the traffic from search engines is likely from a young demographic and a significant portion of click throughs may be coming from minors who are probably not looking for an organization of people interested in ancient history. Thus, a different landing page and more content, specifically for students, may be beneficial for Nova Roma. 

Similar testing of advertising on Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, etc. may reveal other inexpensive strategies that could boost our image.

Bene vale.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95656 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Salve, Canine!

In my expirience the best thing to promote NR in Internet is using Social Networks, and move our discussions- culture and hostorical, also as religions topics to Facebook - to give information wider audience. SMM tecnologies is one of best solutions - we can pay one time to a Ancient History groups this 2k users, and if have just 10% of their subscribers - it's be a success. This is potential subscribers interesting in Ancient Rome Culture before we met them. Not a students that searches answers for tests or information for essay.

Current level of NR sites, groups and social activities is stuck in 2000 year. Yes, MediaWiki is good for collecting and systemizing information, but not good as open platform for newcomers.

Yahoo mail list is absolutely strange place for me, as new citizen of NR. Maybe for old memebers it's a good place, habitually. But in the Era of friendly interfaces it's looks strange - i'm even can't find that is going here a month ago, not speaking for a interesting information about religion or history. This is absolutely wrong approach, turning NR in that we see now - community with low activity, and very bad rates of growth

Vete!

Marcus Flavius Celsus,
Sarmatia Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95657 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Salve, Celse!

SMM technologies as in SMM Technologies Ltd in Moscow?

Social media marketing will play an important part in getting more members. Each social media site will yield a somewhat different group of potential new members. The languages used, of course, are also important. Governors of provinciae where English is not the most widely understood language should set up a Facebook page specifically for their province. But only if they can commit to making posts and information updates at least six times a year. If a Facebook page does not have something new every few weeks it will look too stale and out of date. Some of the posts made on the official Nova Roma Facebook page could be translated into a local language and posted on a provincial Facebook page. Having a search for Nova Roma turn up pages in multiple languages and locations in Facebook may help boost the number of new citizen applications.

Fac valeas! 
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95658 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Salve!

Sorry, for my bad English. I meen SMM technologies = Social Media Marketing methods for invite new subscribers.

Even NR maillist have a everyday content - "Today in Roma History' by Marcus Pompeius Caninus. It's every day information, unique content. Why not publish it in group Official NR Facebook?
Also - public information about paganism traditions ( holidays, tradions, celebratings). It's a roman holiday at least every month.
All above it's to support actvities. - further announcement of NR local events, latin schools e.t.c.
Publish NR laws, votings.
It's a method to go in public, and it's method to show what Nova Roma is alive. Invite to discuss another people intersted in Rome history, culture with NR citizens.

I think most of Western Europe understanding English. So for now may start just in English.

Few days ago, i'm with praetor of Sarmatia prov. starting russian speaking social group of NR in VK.com (biggest russian speaking social network ) http://vk.com/sarmatiaprov .

Praetors of another provincias, who really understanding that there citizen didn't know English very well, must creating own information public groups (if they realy want to extend information about NR among not-english speaking people of his provincia)

Vete!



Marcus Flavius Celsus,
Sarmatia prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95659 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Salve Celsus!

Let me inform you that Titus Flavius Severus is legatus pro praetore no more in Sarmatia. Sarmatia
has not governor now. See report from February/March Senate session. 

Vale!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor

2015-08-25 15:49 GMT+02:00 m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95660 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Flags
Please will the gentleman who said he had flags for sale contact me.
Vale, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95661 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Where is Montana and Wyoming?



On Monday, August 24, 2015 1:46 PM, "'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Caninus omnibus sal.

Three days ago I started a Google AdWords campaign for Nova Roma. The results so far are interesting. There have been over 10,000 impressions - about 3,200 per day. The most clicks we received were from mobile devices in the USA - more than twice as many mobile devices as desktops. In Canada we had more desktops click through than mobile devices. In both countries we did not get any clicks from tablet users, which seems a bit odd. The low number of tablet impressions seems to suggest few people search for ancient Rome on their tablets. The other point the stands out is that, so far at least, only people in the USA and Canada clicking on our ad. 


Country/TerritoryDevice
Impressions
Clicks
Cost
United StatesTablet2200$0.00
United StatesMobile6,76720$3.19
United StatesDesktop2,5475$0.85
United StatesOther00$0.00
CanadaTablet1050$0.00
CanadaMobile4281$0.11
CanadaDesktop7174$0.89
CanadaOther00$0.00

Country/TerritoryRegionImpressions
Clicks
Avg. CPC
United StatesCalifornia1,1966$0.15
United StatesTexas8473$0.18
CanadaOntario5023$0.19
United StatesGeorgia3823$0.15
United StatesDistrict of Columbia1753$0.21
United StatesFlorida6482$0.12
United StatesUnspecified9431$0.16
United StatesPennsylvania2671$0.14
United StatesTennessee2551$0.16
United StatesOhio2101$0.14
CanadaQuebec2091$0.17
CanadaBritish Columbia2071$0.27
United StatesArizona1951$0.07
United StatesNorth Carolina1821$0.24
United StatesKansas811$0.18
United StatesWest Virginia171$0.17
United StatesNew York6500$0.00
United StatesIllinois3750$0.00
United StatesMichigan2480$0.00
United StatesVirginia2040$0.00
United StatesMissouri1820$0.00
United StatesWashington1770$0.00
United StatesMassachusetts1700$0.00
United StatesSouth Carolina1600$0.00
United StatesMinnesota1530$0.00
United StatesNew Jersey1440$0.00
United StatesColorado1340$0.00
United StatesIndiana1340$0.00
CanadaAlberta1290$0.00
United StatesMaryland1210$0.00
United StatesKentucky1070$0.00
United StatesWisconsin1000$0.00
United StatesConnecticut970$0.00
United StatesLouisiana910$0.00
United StatesOklahoma910$0.00
United StatesUtah880$0.00
United StatesOregon860$0.00
United StatesNevada760$0.00
CanadaUnspecified710$0.00
United StatesAlabama660$0.00
United StatesArkansas640$0.00
United StatesMississippi640$0.00
United StatesNebraska640$0.00
United StatesNew Hampshire450$0.00
United StatesIowa390$0.00
United StatesNew Mexico380$0.00
CanadaManitoba370$0.00
CanadaNova Scotia320$0.00
United StatesMaine300$0.00
United StatesHawaii280$0.00
CanadaNew Brunswick250$0.00
United StatesIdaho240$0.00
CanadaSaskatchewan220$0.00
United StatesNorth Dakota200$0.00
United StatesRhode Island130$0.00
United StatesVermont120$0.00
CanadaNewfoundland and Labrador110$0.00
United StatesMontana100$0.00
United StatesSouth Dakota100$0.00
United StatesAlaska90$0.00
United StatesDelaware90$0.00
CanadaPrince Edward Island40$0.00
United StatesWyoming30$0.00
CanadaNorthwest Territories10$0.00


Bene valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95662 From: Roger Doyle Date: 2015-08-25
Subject: NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Spurius Vibius Calvus   15126
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95663 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Then the wiki and the Album Civium needs to be updated, Nerva.  Severus is shown as Legatus pro praetore of Sarmatia in both places.

Huh.  He also shows as Tribe Suburana and in Century XXXI.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95664 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Salve, Calve. Thanks very much for registering. 

Optime vale, 
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus 
Censor 



Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung


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Da: "Roger Doyle rogerc57@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Spurius Vibius Calvus   15126
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95665 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
Caninus Draconi sal.

Regarding my friend Severus: The tribe and century shown on his page in the Album Civium are correct. The assidui status is not correct. 

A few governors did not file their annual reports and did not respond to my email requests before the Senate voted on prorogation in March 2015 and their service was ended. The Wiki page for Sarmatia has not yet been changed. The Wiki page for Brasilia has also not been changed. The Album Civium banners of the governors who did not file their annual reports, which includes Severus, have not yet been changed to reflect the end of their terms.

You may have noticed over the past two years that there has been very little communication with Sarmatia and virtually no posts from Sarmatian citizens in the Main List. The relationship between Sarmatia and Nova Roma suffered in the aftermath of the establishment of RPR. There is a language barrier as few Nova Romans have working knowledge of both Russian and English. World events since the spring of 2014, the exchange rate of the ruble (рубль) and changes in Russian Federal law have also had an impact. Many Sarmatian citizens have trouble paying their taxes - both in understanding the mechanics and in affording the cost. The province, however, has been active and promoting Nova Roma in Russia, especially in Vorkuta (Воркута) and Inta (Инта) in the Komi Republic. Severus is preparing a provincial report for the Senate and you may have seen posts from Severus on the Main List recently.    

If you look at my Album Civium page you might also note that my banners do not include my status as governor of Alasca et Havaia and my Civil Service record does not include the fact that I served as governor of America Boreoccidentalis (which ceased to exist in 2013). If you look at my Census Point total you will not find any Census Points for my service as governor of these provinciae. I understand very well that ultimately it falls upon me to make sure my Album Civium information is accurate and up-to-date. 

Fac valeas! 

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95666 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Google AdWords results
He is not a tax payer, so that classification is correct.

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95667 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
James V. Hooper aka Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
Provence of Montanus

Vale. C. Pompei Marcellus



On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:27 AM, "Ugo Coppola ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Calve. Thanks very much for registering. 

Optime vale, 
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus 
Censor 



Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung


-------- Messaggio originale --------
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Spurius Vibius Calvus   15126
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95668 From: aquarius44444@ymail.com Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Reregistered for the 2768 census

Dear Nova Roma,


I have reregistered for the 2768 year and I will be a very good citizen this year. I appreciate the Censors who make it possible for me to be a citizen of Nova Roma.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95669 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95670 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Taxation problems

Salvete! 

Dear mermbers of Senate and Nova Roma Corp. please can anyone here can clearly explain how me, as simple citizen of NR, pay taxes? 
I was join about two month ago, and pay my taxes about two weeks ago. But now, i s bit misunderstanding situation. I'm find Taxes for 2015, and for citizen of V class (http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=15410) my tax is 8 usd. Right? 

 
But site of Nova Roma, my personal cabinet show me 3,9 usd. What is correct sum? 
http://i.imgur.com/0SPxBiB.png

There is 3,9 USD in Paypal form, and paycheck.

I'm payed this tax via PayPal 
http://i.imgur.com/1vDmX3W.png

 
And get ACTIVE status
http://i.imgur.com/FKD3u9d.png


For explanation i'm adressed to Praetor of my Sarmatia Prov.( there is not my problem that information on Nova Roma official site is outdate about half-year, and Severus isn't Praetore now). But he didn't know too, and he still waiting anser from CFO ( about 3 or more days) 
I'm contact with Quaestor Nerva, and he couldn't help me too. Sending right to Sulla (as i guess - CFO).

There is impression what here in Nova Roma doesn't working nothing  - site is outdated, tax forms isn't correct. No direct information for newcomers like me HOW to do my Roman Debt.

Sorry, if this sounds rude. So questions:

1. Are Tax form in personal cab is valid?
if not
2. How to pay taxes for Nova Roma?
3. That is tax period? ( Read about this in mail list. No such data in personal info )

Vete! 

Marcus Flavius Celsus
Sarmatia Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95671 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave,

Tax payment can be made via paypal to the following address:  payments@....

For class V the tax rate is $9.00 US

I sent an email to Severus.  Did he not get the message?

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95672 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Caninus Sullae s.p.d.

A tax payment was posted on 25-Aug-2015 for Titus Flavius Severus. Quintus Vergilius Crassus sent in two PayPal transactions on that date, one for Severus and one for himself. I am not sure if the correct amount was paid in each of those transactions but a payment did occur. For the benefit of the Sarmatian citizens could you explain the payment process again? I believe Severus raise this question about the process a few days ago but did not receive a response. Severus can translate the instructions and make sure everyone in his group understands how to pay. I can also post the instructions in Russian in the Russian language portion of the NR Wiki. 
 
Multas gratias tibi ago.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95673 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Ave Consul,

Ok cool, I have not logged into paypal since Aug 23rd.  I wont be recording any new taxes until the vote is completed and the Comitia is ended.  As of right now, his entry is not on my sheet of a tax payer.  I will then log in and record new updates at that time.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95674 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Avete Omnes,

I have very little patience at this point because I made HOW MANY REMINDERS about the tax?  5 or 6?  

Every year Nova Roma has had a tax period that lasted from March to  June!  EVERY SINGLE YEAR for the past decade!  

All I did was go to the website and look in the search for tax and pulled up the information.

Frankly, I should be charging late fees for the citizens of Sarmatia for their failure to check the website and check the ML.  Personal accountability!  

Sarmatians, what the hell do you want me to do?  Create an app that will slap you guys across the face the day before taxes are due to remind you that NR has a tax?  

I have rarely enforced the late fee...but next year!  I will.  I am tired of people not taking responsibility of their own actions....May 31st next year - if there are no arrangements made in advance for taxes - late fees will be charged.

No more Mr. Nice tax guy.  I'm fed up.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95675 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Ave Consul,

Here is a copy of the message I sent to Severus - I just resent his to him privately as well.

Ave,

The payment of taxes can be done via paypal at the address:  payments@...

The tax season was way earlier this year.  It ended in May 31st - as it ends every year on May 31st.

The tax amount is unchanged

Class V - $9.00 US
Class IV - $15.00 US
Class III - $23.00 US
Class II - $33.00 US
Class I - $38.00 US.

[You will need to know your Census points to determine what class you are in - if you have any question you can either email me for clarification or reference the Lex Cornelia de classibus et ordine equestri.]

Now, there should be late fees assessed given the lateness and that no arrangements were made ahead of time, but I will waive them as long as we get arrangements made for payment.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95676 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Ave Censor.
 
Cool! I will work with him to make sure we have clear instructions for our Russian friends.
 
Severus is in Class II so his rate should be $33.00 USD.

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95677 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Dear, Sulla

Don't  understand your position - i'm get my citizenship about 18 june 2015. Join to mail list 11 august 2015, i can't physically get your reminders, and can't physically pay may taxes in period from March to June, because i'm was NOT a citizen in this time. 

So please - be polite. I'm not reading your minds. 
In letters that i get from quaestors nothing says about period, or mechanism of paying taxes.  
"Payment of the annual membership fee, or as we call, the taxes, is not mandatory for citizenship, but these taxes are not large, and they are used to finance our various community projects.  Although tax payment is optional, citizens with assiduus status (taxpayers) are rewarded with higher voting power, and only assidui may run for any elected office. A lack of payment of the annual taxes will result in yourself not being eligible for public offices, but you will otherwise have all the privileges of a full citizen." 

Also here - http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/myaccount - Make Payment is active and working  (it's nothing says about current payments is outdated too ). It's confusing. 

So Nova Roma is interested of getting citizens payed taxes, or not? If answer yes - so: How newcomers like me, can chose RIGHT way and time to pay taxes? 

You says 9 usd. Okay. What i must do with 3,9 usd payed from wrong paycheck in personal cabinet?

Vete! 

Marcus Flavius Celsus
Sarmatia Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95678 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Salve,

I would like to ask you to be more restrained in your remarks against the province of Sarmatia and its citizens.

With all due respect to you, but the reasons because of which we have not paid taxes were weighty, I outlined them in my report to the Senate.

September 1, 2015 will be a meeting of the Provincial Council, I have prepare report to the Council, for this  I need to have data on the amount of taxes, and the procedure of their payment. I made official request to you, you did not answer to me within a reasonable time.
You mentioned to me only after Celsus publicly questioned. Note that Celsus - a new citizen, he could not have known all the details of payment. Celsus could not find any information about the payment of taxes, no instructions in this regard. He paid the tax the only available way. And in the end? He wrongly paid tax, because he was not given the information.
In particular, my request was in the interests of Celsus, if you answered, he would not have to write a public appeal.

I have respect for you, knowing your contribution to the Nova Roma. The situation is unpleasant to me as well as to you. 

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95679 From: Roger Doyle Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA CENSUS 2768
Sp. Vibius Calvus Publio Annaeo Constantino Placido S.P.D.

Salve!

Ignosce mihi, precor.  I attempted to follow your procedure for registering, but my e-mails were sent back to me, so I was forced to respond through this site.

Vale optime!




On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:10 PM, "Ugo Coppola ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95680 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave,

Look I apologize, you would not know the tax information given your new status.  The older Sarmatian citizens would know hence my anger at being blamed.

I post reminders consistently during the tax.

Right now, there is a vote going on.  I cannot make changes to the system until the vote is completed and the Comitia is closed.  Once that is completed I will be in immediate contact with you to resolve any outstanding issue.  I know the Consul is also working with me on this matter and we will get it resolved.

The system is transparent which is why it can be very confusing - it becomes so because of the language barrier added into the mix but we will ensure this goes as smooth as possible.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95681 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Severus Sullae S.P.D.

I'm glad you finally answered me. Potius sew, quam nunquam.

Severus Canine S.P.D.

Yes, I will bring information on how the payment of taxes to the citizens of the province.I translated the information and posted it on the province forum.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95682 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave Severus,

I understand your concern, amice and I also hold you in the highest of importance.  I read your report, and even commented on some of it here on the ML.  

The information on the tax was posted on the website LAST YEAR when the Senate voted on the matter.  The tax period was from March to May 31st.  You contacted me 4 days ago and I responded.  Point being was that 4 days ago was still 3 months past the end of the tax season!  3 months!

Nova Roma is not responsible for this.  However, I am still willing to work with you and the province to the best degree of my ability to aid you guys in getting the tax paid - and I will even waive those late fees to assist you and the province.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95683 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Assiduus status of T. Flavius Severus
Ave Consul,

Yes that is correct.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95684 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Salve,

I actually kinda like the idea of a late fee. At least it would help ameliorate the problem of people holding off paying until right before the elections.

Vale,

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-26
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave Amice,

Yep, I know, we have discussed this before.  It is a valid concern and one that I shared.  It just never outranked my primary desire to get citizens to just pay the tax - the more citizens paying the tax was better.  I think that Nova Roma has reached a point where I will become more diligent with the enforcement of the tax provisions.  This might compel some of our citizens to become more proactive and diligent with the tax since the late fees can be rather pricey - just like they are in our macronational countries.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95686 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Severus Sullae S.P.D.

It seemed to me that we have already dealt with the problem, which told Celsus. Why did you start to discuss here the problem of tax policies and fiscal discipline? Celsus asked you a question, you have to give him an answer. That's all on this topic could be exhausted.

Sulla, you are an officer of the New Rome. Celsus and I appeal to you, as an officer. We are interested in the answers to the questions asked by us, and we are not interested in your emotions, personal opinion or anger against specific people or province as a whole.

Paying taxes is the right of citizens of the province, and not their responsibility. 

I wrote you this letter:

Salve,

My name is Titus Flavius Severus, I`m leader of provincia Sarmatia. At the moment, I am preparing reports to the Senate of Nova Roma and the Provincial Council. To prepare the reports I need information about tax rates and tax payment procedures in 2015. I tried to find the information I needed on Nova Roma website, however, the information that I needed was not available on website. Therefore, I decided to turn to you as сurator aerarii. I ask you to clarify the procedure for the payment of taxes, the tax rates for 2015, and legal Nova Roma act, they are regulated.

Vale,
T. Fl.Severus

This letter was written on August 22, and the answer I received only today, after Celsus publicly said that you do not answer.

The citizens of the province, asked me a question, I, as the leader of the province, turned to you for answers. It was an official request, which we would like to receive an official response. We do not like your pangs, it is incorrect on your part. No matter how many times you informed about taxes. The citizens of the province asked me to get a response from you, as CFO. The site of the New Rome have no information about taxes for this year, but there are instructions for the payment of taxes for previous years. Did I or someone else from Sarmatia tells you that we are angry at you because you or another magistrate did not publish the information on taxes on the official website of Nova Roma? Of course not! So why do you allow yourself to publicly express their emotions for us.The information in the past few years, everywhere it was stated that in the event of questions should be addressed to you. And we ask you, but you answered only today.

If you want me to answer publicly, why we do not pay taxes at the set time, I will say. We did not pay taxes because most of our citizens do not know whether province will be a part of New Rome or come out of it. September 1, 2015 a meeting of the provincial council, where it was decided the future of Sarmatia. At this meeting, I am going to defend the side of Nova Roma. For this, I and some other citizens pay taxes that would have set an example to other citizens. And what is the result? As a result, we have not received a response from you in the right time, but in return, received a reprimand from you.

The current situation demonstrates the  state of affairs in New Rome. Brilliant advertising, I would say. I am now only interested in one thing,  after all that has happened, how do I have to defend the side of Nova Roma on the provincial council?

I hope that your criticisms are exhausted.

I know you as a good and decent man. You and I have a common goal. So let's go to this goal together, without reticence, anger and mutual resentment.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95687 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
I'm personally mixed on late fees for "taxes".  If you view them as taxes, yes they make sense.  Yet they're not truly taxes.  They're membership dues.

What, however, do members of Nova Roma truly get for their dues?  Voting power?  That's pretty much it.  Yet not all of our membership even cares about that in the grand scheme of things.  I fear that instituting such dues actively will only discourage our members from paying their dues later in the year.  Is the treasury not better off with their dues later rather than never?

If we offered something in return, something tangible (be it items, discounts to locations, etc)?  Then yes, I could certainly understand late fees.  As it stands now?  It would only scare people away.  Instead of punishing people they should be commended for wishing to contribute later rather than not at all.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95688 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Salve,

I entirely agree. Nova Roma offers little in exchange for taxes other than voting and access to a couple of email lists of uneven value and enjoyability. If such taxes also included the right to attend, or discounted entry fees to, a plethora of real-world events, I daresay their value would be increased manifold.

Vale,

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95689 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Salvete,

Is there a breakdown anywhere of expenses, what we have in the treasury, etc? I have no interest in the voting power and such, but if I could see the funds were going to worthwhile causes, I'd pay the taxes. As it is, it is a bit of a black box to me. I see on the wiki treasury page, it has records from 2010 and earlier. This isn't really helpful, though. (http://novaroma.org/nr/Treasury)

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95690 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave,

I discussed tax policy for this reason.

The tax period was open on March 1st and it closed on May 31st.

You emailed me on Aug 22nd.  I replied on Aug 25th.  That is still 3 months AFTER the tax period ended.  Late fees should be automatically applied!  

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95691 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Ave,

The budget is published and voted by the Senate every year.  This year's budget is located on the NR website - you are not looking in the right place.  

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95692 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems

Caninus Muscae sal.

This is the budget for 2015:

ITEM I- SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2015
 
Budget
 
 
Webhosting:
 $200.00
  Go Daddy
Registerred Agent:
 $250.00
  Ainsworth
Annual Report:
 $40.00
  State of Maine
QuickBooks:
 $550.00
  Quickbooks
Office and Budget Supplies:
 $50.00
 
Mail Box Rental
 $75.00
 
Paypal Fees
 $50.00
 
Discretionary Consular Fund
 $250.00
  Per Consul for a total of $500.00
Domain Renewal Costs
 $200.00
 
Total
$1,915.00
 
Outsource Web Work per item IV
Pending Amount
 
 

Vale bene.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95693 From: Denise Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.
Salve!

When I logged on to my Nova Roma account today to get my citizen ID#, it showed that I'm registered. Does that mean that I'm already currently registered, or do I still need to send my information? 

Vale,

Fausta Martiania Gangalia Minervalis
 
Changing yourself is the first step in changing the world.



On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:41 AM, "Ugo Coppola ugo.coppola@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95694 From: alectocles Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: CENSORIAL EDICT - CENSUS FOR 2768 A.U.C.

Ave

I have an issue with this also. I'd also like to point out some potential problems with the citizenship applications. I applied for citizenship back in May using a different cognomen (Noctua), and I just found out my application was rejected because I didn't respond to the confirmation e-mail that was sent back in early July to the Gmail address I used when I applied. Actually, I never received the e-mail, not in the inbox, not in the spam folder. It was suggested that I reapply using a different Roman name, which I did, only now it turns out that maybe I should have used a different e-mail, because I no longer have an Album Civium page and can't log in to the site because there are two accounts with the same e-mail. My apologies. :)  How can this be straightened out? I can provide both ID numbers upon request.

Vale,

Marcus Equitius Corvus

---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <minervalis_barnowl@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95695 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
$200 for domain renewal?  Is that just for novaroma.org or do we hold other domains?

Please tell me that if it was NovaRoma.org that it was renewed for something like fifteen to twenty years.  If not, your registrar is bleeding you dry.  A .org domain shouldn't really cost more than ten to fifteen bucks a year.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95696 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems

Ave,

Multiple domains.

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95697 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Multiple domains, multiple years. And that is what is budgeted - not what has been spent.

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95698 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Back Alley

Salve,


What happened to the Back Alley list?  Is it still around?  Search doesn't seem to return anything.


Vale,


C. Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95699 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Ave!

Oh yeah it is around.  It has never been on a search.  Here is the addy:  backalley-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95700 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Thank you Lucius Cornellius.

Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95701 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Back Alley
Sure no problem!

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95702 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
That is a relief.

Though what do we spend on our actual mission? Everything there seems to be just about keeping us registered and online. Do we have a marketing budget? If not, and I didn't see it on that list, why not?

We need to get the word out beyond just hoping a web search leads people to us and beyond word of mouth. Do we actively send people to reenactor events? If not, why?

Nova Roma needs talent. It needs active, passionate people if it is to thrive in the long run. It needs local representation and a sense of being a welcoming community of like minded individuals united for rekindling interest in ancient Rome and encourage the restoration of her greatest virtues.

We need to do everything we can to get our name out there in a positive way.

I hope next year the Senate will consider putting funds aside to draft fliers or pamphlets and simple branded knick knacks to give away, such as Nova Roma branded tablets (paper, not electronic of course), pens, caps, et cetera. Things that could be given away at events or schools to raise awareness and interest.

I am an elected political party committeeman in my county. I stand at the polls every election day. People love the tablets and pens that are given out. It's a simple way to get our name out there.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95703 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Taxes and Marketing
Avete Omnes,

I am so glad we are getting to the point of discussing taxes and with Draco asking about a marketing budget - which we do not have.

Beginning September I plan on summoning the Senate Finance Committee into session to deal with the budget and taxes for next year.  How does the Citizens feel about increasing taxes to establish a marketing fund?

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95704 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salve,

(And, please don't take this as being personally directed at you, amice, despite it coming as a reply to your post. I'm more bouncing off your topic to hopefully continue a larger discussion which I feel is related.)

I'd feel much better about a marketing fund if there was something we were actually marketing.

What do we really have to offer right now? A website (which anyone can read for free) and a couple of websites. And the right to vote on who's in charge of those assets (or who just fill a slot in the org chart) for a year. And occasionally someone will get together on their own initiative somewhere.

Yay.

There's so much free content on the web already, including a lot of free Roman-themed content, that I submit that what we have to offer must go beyond the merely digital. We must have something real, something substantive, something that people will find valuable enough that they will be willing to plunk down their hard-earned money and join. 

I suggest a full-frontal effort to put together real-world gatherings. Let's give those regional governors a reason for being beyond just sending welcome emails to new members (if we're lucky), and sending them reminders to pay their taxes. Let's pour some of those taxes into the effort. It doesn't have to be much to really make a difference. 

This year I paid US$57. A not-insubstantial sum. And what do I get for that money? I can run for office, and I can vote.

There are no other benefits of being a taxpayer that I can think of off the top of my head. I can be a non-taxpaying Citizen and still fully participate here. (That should change, by the way, but that's a whole other discussion.)

I say that the thing we can market is not just our love of Rome, nor just our interest in all things Roman, but our real, visceral, *CONNECTION* to Rome. We *ARE* the spiritual descendant of the Roman Republic. *THAT* is what sets us apart from all the others out there. 

We should have, first and foremost, real-world rituals being performed by our priests on behalf of our cives, subsidized by the State. That's why there *IS* a State. Not to give a handful of people an opportunity to play power politics on a small scale. There are plenty of online games where one can do that. 

(As an aside, some have mentioned that that's a turn-off for some scholars. You know what I say to that? Nova Roma isn't for them. Go join one of the dozens of other Roman reenactment, or Roman interest groups that are out there. Nova Roma is for people who value the fact that there are priests making offerings for their well-being to the Gods, even if they are not themselves practitioners of the Religio.)

We should also sponsor a robust reenactment community. Costuming, crafts, arts and letters, gladiator contests, legionnaire demonstrations, etc. We should have people reaching out to local schools to do demos. If it's just some guy with a toga, he's going to look a lot less impressive than someone who's got three or four people who can come over as part of the Nova Roman Cultural Education Program.

We should embrace Latin as a living language. I'm one of the first and worst offenders on this, and I admit it, unhappily. We should actively encourage people to learn Latin and use it in all our fora, virtual and material. Could we get a member discount for some online or CD course in Latin? Have we even tried?

And finally, there are purely cultural and social events. Book studies. Poetry readings. Drama clubs. Cooking get-togethers. Just simple hanging out. Even these things cost money. The provinces were originally supposed to keep half the taxes to finance exactly these sorts of events. I say we should see that become reality. 

Let's worry about marketing Nova Roma once we have something real to market. Something that gives people real value for your money. I guarantee you, if there are events like those I describe above happening all over the world, on a monthly or weekly basis, people will flock to us. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95705 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing
Salve!

Then we get back to the issue as to what Nova Roma offers. Why should people pay their dues? What do they get out of it?

This all goes back to Nova Roma seemingly only being a mailing list. Be it list and forum, that is all well and good by if we don't actually show ourselves doing anything to further our mission (be it encouraging people to learn about ancient Rome, pressing the religion, or the goal of one day properly reforming the Republic) why should people give us money?

People were just threatened with higher fees for not having paid their dues when requested of them. Why should people who are late going to pay at all if they are punished?

We need to look at what Nova Roma can do to encourage the payment of membership dues. We need to look at what we can offer. Who do we have that is calm and level headed enough to approach institutions to convince them to give our members perks? Or should it be handled on a provincial level rather than executive tier? Local leaders would be more familiar with their territories, so that is a perk.

We can also look at what we actually spend, what comes due next month, and prune some cash from excessive budgets to out it into some basic exploratory marketing to try some ideas and see how they work for us.

Personally, i would he content with higher dues if we saw where it was going (not budgets but actual expenditures), there was more local support and growth/encouragement, we saw some progress towards our goals (educational initiatives?), and we at least got a membership card out of it.

I love Nova Roma. I truly do. But it is hard to approach people and convince them to join, especially join and pay their dues, when I can't really point to any actions we have taken as an organization locally or internationally.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95706 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Ave,

Actually amice, I am staying out of this topic.  I will just be observing and based on the results I will take the information under consideration since I am actually working on the Budget and taxes for next year Not in preparation for summoning the Senate Finance Committee in about 2 weeks and then the Full Senate for consideration.

Every year, until now, I have been advised and pressured to keep taxes low - so they are about as low as possible to just meet our obligations - that's it - nothing more.  I am going to listen to the responses of the citizenry.

Vale,

Sulla 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95707 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Absolutely wise. Let's hear from our cives on this.

What, exactly is Nova Roma , or should it be, marketing? 

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95708 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Do we have a listing on Witchvox? It's got listings for neo-Pagan organizations that have nothing to do with Wicca and it's completely free. It might help. Facebook promotions don't cost all that much, either.

Marcus Equitius Noctua

From: "KarlvonRoma@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
That is a relief.

Though what do we spend on our actual mission? Everything there seems to be just about keeping us registered and online. Do we have a marketing budget? If not, and I didn't see it on that list, why not?

We need to get the word out beyond just hoping a web search leads people to us and beyond word of mouth. Do we actively send people to reenactor events? If not, why?

Nova Roma needs talent. It needs active, passionate people if it is to thrive in the long run. It needs local representation and a sense of being a welcoming community of like minded individuals united for rekindling interest in ancient Rome and encourage the restoration of her greatest virtues.

We need to do everything we can to get our name out there in a positive way.

I hope next year the Senate will consider putting funds aside to draft fliers or pamphlets and simple branded knick knacks to give away, such as Nova Roma branded tablets (paper, not electronic of course), pens, caps, et cetera. Things that could be given away at events or schools to raise awareness and interest.

I am an elected political party committeeman in my county. I stand at the polls every election day. People love the tablets and pens that are given out. It's a simple way to get our name out there.

-Draco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95709 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salvete!

How about marketing education?  I believe Nova Roma should be offering courses in Roman life, history, religion, Latin, etc.  

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadraqtus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:19:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

 

Absolutely wise. Let's hear from our cives on this.

What, exactly is Nova Roma , or should it be, marketing? 

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95710 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
OK.  You can stop laughing at my inability to spell my own name.

Q.

To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:01:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

 

Salvete!

How about marketing education?  I believe Nova Roma should be offering courses in Roman life, history, religion, Latin, etc.  

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadraqtus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:19:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

 

Absolutely wise. Let's hear from our cives on this.

What, exactly is Nova Roma , or should it be, marketing? 

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95711 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
It's hard for me to post on mobile.

Noctua

From: "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
OK.  You can stop laughing at my inability to spell my own name.

Q.



To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:01:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

 

Salvete!

How about marketing education?  I believe Nova Roma should be offering courses in Roman life, history, religion, Latin, etc.  

Valete!
C. Claudius Quadraqtus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95712 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-27
Subject: Re: Taxation problems
Salve,

Thank you Canine, that's helpful. Do we also have breakdowns of income vs actual expenditures? It would be interesting to compare them to the budgets and see what (if anything) might need more attention.

-Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95713 From: l_fidelius_graecus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Salvete Omnes.

Greetings Romans, and old friends. It's been a long time since speaking up in the forum for me, perhaps about five years since my last post. In that time, I haven't logged into the website, answered any census, paid any dues or voted- nor do I wish to. I have maintained most of my subscriptions to NR lists however and look in from time to time despite abandoning yahoo groups. I've been reading with interest though lately. It almost seems that the seeds sown years ago have born it's fruit. People have left in droves and NR is not what it once was. There are people I know of still here that have my respect and for these and especially for newer members, I speak up now. I am one of those who left NR and I'd like to explain the reasons even though some here may not be comfortable with what I have to say. Perhaps it will be of help in the main.

I had a unique perspective as a citizen. Most who join NR do so for an interest in Ancient Rome or to a lesser degree, an interest in the practice of the Religio. I joined because I am Christian. And for the same reason that a pagan might- to understand and experience their religion or spirituality on a new level. Assuming as I did that there were pagans in NR as well as the other aspects of Ancient Roman life, I sought to experience through a sort of roleplay, the life of a Roman Christian in a heterogeneous religious world such as found in the first few centuries CE. For the most part, I had some success, though through my own efforts and learned much about the foundation of my own religion and had my faith strengthened in the process. I had no intention of proselytizing or changing NR in any way- in fact, I desired it to be as authentic as possible. In part it was what was inauthentic that eventually drove me away. Mainly though, I succumbed to boredom to the circular discussions in the ML which came across as roleplayed pomposity that as an organization, had little else to offer. So, as many have, I moved on to other interests. Maybe some more hardened neo-pagans felt I'd been driven away and were satisfied though that wasn't at all the case. My religious life may be conservative though I have fairly liberal European views so little in NR offended me or put me off. As an American though, I expect to be educated and to some degree entertained and this was no longer the case. I left because NR became dull. The experience as a whole however was somewhat more complex and that brings me to my main point.

My informed opinion that I would share with anyone who is interested, especially those who joined NR expecting a full experience of ancient Roman life and have been disappointed is this: the problem had always been with NR's most radical members. Unfortunately for those of us with a general interest in classicism, this include some of its founders, some who are apparently active to this very day and probably will remain to guide NR long after you've read this. The problem in this radicalism is that NR is not actually founded on the whole of ancient Roman society but on a modern neo-pagan idealism of what Rome was. The "Roman life" here in NR in practice a kind of "trojan horse" to restore pre-Christian religion to spite what these radical members view, even contrary to historical scholarship, as the negative impact of Christianity on civilization. For this reason, despite what the website or organizational materials provide, anyone with sympathies to the Christian faith were systematically discouraged from involvement in NR. And to a lesser extent, anyone who did not put their energies into the promotion and growth of the Religio faced the same. I understand how many modern people view the history of Christianity, so I don't fault anyone on the basis of their beliefs. What I lay fault on is dishonesty or surreptitious behavior, especially that which intentionally alienates others. As for historicity, such things are plain to those who are educated. Simply that ancient Rome accorded toleration and a certain amount of respect to Judaism on the basis that it was an old religion, you'd expect a reconstruction of Rome to at least tolerate a religion that has been around for two millennia. Not so here. Because it is inauthentic in my view and that is the primary cause of dissatisfaction in it's membership in my opinion. Despite what many have intended along the way and what may be found in it's promotional materials, much of it's leadership has meant NR to be a small and hardened organization, not for everyone but for pagans and their ardent supporters, as kind of a seed that would one day blossom into a force for the replacement of Judaeo-Christian religion. It's a truly deluded view considering that much of Christian practice, for example, is a simplification of ancient Roman practices that the majority of modern people have difficulty keeping up with and is rapidly giving way to secular humanism or even atheism. This radicalism that I speak of has failed NR as I see it. And even today, years later, motivated and interested citizens recently joining are asking the same questions. Only now, there are far fewer people to answer them. Maybe this email will help them as I was helped in my questions years ago, by people who truly cared about what NR could be as a reconstructed virtual community based on classical Roman ideals.

Someone recently shared an old message from a Pontiff that attacked some citizens and even magistrates. People that were close to me in NR or that I'd known of, for being disrespectful of the Religio- truly absurd rhetoric. These people were extremely active and constructive in NR as I recall, and of those I recalled, only one was a Christian who took great care to respect the Religio and the others where either pagan or clearly a supporter. I can only imagine, driven as they were to the betterment of this organization, they attempted to minimize the influence of these misguided radicals that have always damaged the real growth and popularity of NR and were punished for it. I don't actually know. That is the limitation of virtual communities, less personal and more ephemeral but I recall their names and their achievements and now am not at all surprised to see their names no longer in ML posts. Except when I did. And it inspired me to write this.

Long ago, after joining the only Christian gens in NR, I contacted it's founder who had left NR long before. He was a Christian pastor who was an active Roman reenactor and he messaged me to say he had had enough of the religious drama that takes place in NR. It didn't surprise me at all then because I understood the real nature of NR and my purpose for being here was different. The problem with radicalism of any stripe as I knew even then is that it never goes far enough to run off who they see as opponents, eventually even it's their own supporters are at risk. This appears to have come to pass now and it truly is a shame to see the loss of such good citizens. Again though, I understand what- or more accurately who- was behind the loss. Even years ago, I stated it plainly in the forum: if you want to reconstruct a religion, go to it. Stop being dishonest with people who have good intentions that it is a truly multifaceted society you seek to recreate. Or let go of the subterfuge and let NR be as it's citizens made her. Neither was sufficient because as I said, for too many of influence, NR exists as a trojan horse for a what amounts to a purpose that I felt was beneath the dignity of what was great in ancient Rome. These being the very ideals that bring people into this organization and even today citizen's question why they leave. Perhaps for the sake of political correctness and beyond, I'll say I never considered it part and parcel of the practice of the ancient religion of the gods but the machinations of very modern, American people with a hidden agenda that exploits what is attractive in classical history for their own very modern views. I can only hope it will change in the future though of course, I have grave doubts. In the end, it really doesn't matter, we all have the wonders of the eternal city and history to be inspired by even if it doesn't truly result in a new society of sorts. Classicism has been a fountain for our world since we have progressed beyond it in time, the efforts of a few American leftists in Maine or wherever else to remake a world very few want not withstanding.

Thank you for reading my long missive. It will probably be the last of many that I enjoyed writing long ago. Hopefully at least it provides some distraction from squabbles over minor matters which NR was always known for. It was important to me to state that these minor matters are not what diminishes NR though is most all of what's left after so many who were involved in major issues of real import have been pushed out for reasons that at their core have nothing to do with classicism. This certainly must sound rather cynical though I beg you to keep in mind, this comes from one who otherwise has no words for any of you and like others, have moved on. Be well, Romans.

Vale, et valete bene,

L. Fidelius Graecus
Retired citizen, always faithful.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95714 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Claudio Quadrato Flavio Vedio Germanico vero patri patriae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 


As one might suspect, I endorse education, and even 'marketing' education.   Once upon a time, before you became a citizen, Quadrate, the affiliated Academia Thules taught Latin, both living and traditional, as well as Roman religion, history, etc., of Nova Roma, military matters, etc.  Even before the Academia Thules was formed by three Roman citizens, at least two of whom later held the consulate, Latin was offered by the Sodalitas, but then it was much smaller and all members were citizens of Nova Roma.  That has not been the case for many years.  

Unfortunately some years after the Sodalitas handed Latin instruction over to the Academia Thules, the academia's course server died, probably from switching it off every time a dark cloud appeared in the Swedish sky.  The rector asserted that he did not have the time to repair it, so this fine institution perished a couple of years later.  At the time the server broke in the middle of an academic term, we moved all of the Latin classes to another server, where the spoken Latin courses still remain.  The traditional courses have moved to yet another server.  We do teach Latin, by two different methods, one of which was devised by a major Latinist who was a citizen of NR at the time.  These Sermo courses are free except for the cost of an expensive textbook and necessary time; the text for the traditional courses is comparatively inexpensive, but more written work is assigned and must be corrected, so there is a very modest tuition charge.   


Before one can teach anything, one has to find qualified teachers for such subjects, and that, too, those who are willing to work for little or no compensation--and have the spare time to do so.  There are many Latin courses online, some charging 200, 300, even 400, dollars per student for one semester of elementary Latin.  We are much more merciful at present.  There are study groups (no homework or other work corrected, so no feedback) geared to the Wheelock text we use, and perhaps to others.  

I can't speak for the other courses offered by the Academia Thules, or any substitutes for them, but can assure you that those who really want to learn Latin can do so by any of several means.  The will has to be present--and that may be missing.  Incidentally, I am still accepting admissions for the Grammatica I course, which will begin on Monday, but students must have the Wheelock text in hand before being admitted.  An extra week of preliminaries is built into the academic calendar for that course, but one must hurry if one wishes to learn Latin by that method.  The spoken Latin courses on another site will begin later, but the text may be harder to find, and certainly harder to afford, so haste is also recommended.  Those courses produce wonderful fluency in Latin, and tend to be quite popular.  

Valete!  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95715 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salvete!

Let me introduce myself, my name Marcus Flavius Celsus, i'm from Kherson, the city was built under the supervision of General Ivan Gannibal on the site of a small fortress called Aleksanderschanz. The name Kherson is a contraction of Chersonesos, an ancient Greek colony founded approximately 2500 years ago in the southwestern part of Crimea. Goddess of fate has a sense of humor, right?

In real world, i'm workin middle php developer, for a world wide company with main office in Moscow. More than 3 years i'm working for creation of web applications of different levels. From easiest local one page landing sites, to web portals network for thousands peoples around the world.
For me, like for a professional, current level of Nova Roma sites looks awful, it stuck in the 2000s. Mail list it's a worst way to communicate. Maybe for a old users it's a good, but newcomers can't find here anything. NR official site is totaly outdated, most of information ends about 2010.
I do not understand why situation has developed in such a way - Senate have a lot of people, and offices positions are not empty - but i'm here not talking about it.

Situation with taxes, and two days of debate with CFO and others, led me to idea -  system must be reformed - but not in discussion and quarrels (even if it's a Senate way to salve a problems), and not in new laws and census (but it will be good too). System must be reformed deeds and actions - in Roman Way. Change unfriendly world to greatest culture ever.
 I took the liberty to write new taxation system. It's automaticaly get information from Album Civitas, calculate centuria points, calculate citizen Class, and calculates tax, fee, transaction fee, penalty (  currently penalty calculates on  http://novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXVII system). After this Citizen get direct link to a PayPal, with sum, and must just login in paypal site (on their side, i do not collect this information from users - be free to check this ). There is 2 ( 3 if you from USA) clicks to Citizen for pay taxes. The current site have adaptive markup - feel free to pay from your mobile.
Link: http://nrunofficial.unlimind.com/

 I spend 5 hours to write this payment form. Hardest thing was collect information from NR site, if i have direct way to database it would not take 3 hours at all.


5 hours. Not weeks. Not month. Not years. 5 hours - it is less that i spend for debating on mail list to get information about paying taxes.
All params ( taxes, centrury points cititzen class, fee process for world and for USA ) can be easily changed in 2 clicks, and there is no special skill for that. System writen on free CI3 framework, what answers of all security issues.

It's named Unofficial becase i'm did not get permition to do this. I'm just did it
I do not want you to decide what I want to humiliate anyone. I want to do world - Roman world - better and friendly. Newcomers must be free and enjoed to join Nova Roma.

And i' offer my assistance to NR.


Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95717 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salve,

That's a real Roman way of thinking and action. Here in Nova Roma, we talk a lot, but few do. Celsus, you did a great job, you set an example worthy of emulation. Dictum factum.

Frankly, almost no one here is not engaged in creative activity, only ranting. How can we restore Rome, if we do not creat? Even the payment form is not able to mend. However, Celsus not overawed by the difficulties he went and did, acted like a real novaroman Sarmatian.

For Nova Roma it would be imprudent not to take the help of Celsus. Sarmatia has many another specialists: historians, experts in the field of historical reenactment, talented artisans. But these professionals are not in demand, because we are talking, not create. For conversations special knowledge is not necessary.

I hope that things will change in the near future and Celsus initiative is one of the first indications of positive change.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95718 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salve Celus

Good try. Apparently there are a couple of things that need to be corrected though. I used myself and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix as names to test it. The following errors were returned:

1. My province is Canada Occidentalis, not my country of residence, Canada.

2. When I tested Sulla's entry it returned his agnomen, Felix, as his province. 

3. I don't owe any arrears - thus the quoted total is incorrect.

4. Sulla doesn't owe any arrears - thus his quoted total is incorrect.

Vale bene
Cn. Iulius Caesar

From: "m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete!

Let me introduce myself, my name Marcus Flavius Celsus, i'm from Kherson, the city was built under the supervision of General Ivan Gannibal on the site of a small fortress called Aleksanderschanz. The name Kherson is a contraction of Chersonesos, an ancient Greek colony founded approximately 2500 years ago in the southwestern part of Crimea. Goddess of fate has a sense of humor, right?

In real world, i'm workin middle php developer, for a world wide company with main office in Moscow. More than 3 years i'm working for creation of web applications of different levels. From easiest local one page landing sites, to web portals network for thousands peoples around the world.
For me, like for a professional, current level of Nova Roma sites looks awful, it stuck in the 2000s. Mail list it's a worst way to communicate. Maybe for a old users it's a good, but newcomers can't find here anything. NR official site is totaly outdated, most of information ends about 2010.
I do not understand why situation has developed in such a way - Senate have a lot of people, and offices positions are not empty - but i'm here not talking about it.

Situation with taxes, and two days of debate with CFO and others, led me to idea -  system must be reformed - but not in discussion and quarrels (even if it's a Senate way to salve a problems), and not in new laws and census (but it will be good too). System must be reformed deeds and actions - in Roman Way. Change unfriendly world to greatest culture ever.
 I took the liberty to write new taxation system. It's automaticaly get information from Album Civitas, calculate centuria points, calculate citizen Class, and calculates tax, fee, transaction fee, penalty (  currently penalty calculates on  http://novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXVII system). After this Citizen get direct link to a PayPal, with sum, and must just login in paypal site (on their side, i do not collect this information from users - be free to check this ). There is 2 ( 3 if you from USA) clicks to Citizen for pay taxes. The current site have adaptive markup - feel free to pay from your mobile.
Link: http://nrunofficial.unlimind.com/

 I spend 5 hours to write this payment form. Hardest thing was collect information from NR site, if i have direct way to database it would not take 3 hours at all.

5 hours. Not weeks. Not month. Not years. 5 hours - it is less that i spend for debating on mail list to get information about paying taxes.
All params ( taxes, centrury points cititzen class, fee process for world and for USA ) can be easily changed in 2 clicks, and there is no special skill for that. System writen on free CI3 framework, what answers of all security issues.

It's named Unofficial becase i'm did not get permition to do this. I'm just did it
I do not want you to decide what I want to humiliate anyone. I want to do world - Roman world - better and friendly. Newcomers must be free and enjoed to join Nova Roma.

And i' offer my assistance to NR.


Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95719 From: Q.Albia Corvina Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Payment form of taxes
Salvete!

@Celsus, this is a really good idea and a very slim and clean tool. I
especially like the elegancy of its simplicity! Very user-friendly and
much more comprehensive than the cited page on the NR tax rate website.

I checked my fee by entering my name and was immediately put off by the
height of the sum. Paypal costs aside, which are neglectable, I learned
that I had to pay 38$ penalty in addition to the regular fee. I can
understand that you want to discourage your members from becoming paying
members shortly before the elections, but I'm not sure this will lead to
many tax paying citizens (especially new members who join NR during the
"penalty months" and who are motivated and inclined to become paying
members - I don't think they will wait until January, so one should
strike while the iron is hot...).

I think the time window of January - March is too tight; new members
join throughout the year and many don't know about the March 31st
deadline (despite the fact that is is prominently announced by Sulle in
the ML). When I joined, I was of the firm (and certainly naive) opinion
that you always pay a "1-year-membership", regardless of when you start
paying - as in any other club or community or organization where you are
a paying member. I think this is a common thought by many new members -
and many may make the same mistake I once made:

In 2013, I decided to become a paying member because this appeared to be
a prerequisite for many activities and I thought it a good idea to
support NR in this way. I checked out my class and learned that I had to
pay 17,40$. I then went to Paypal and sent the money.

The wiki states: "No payments of the annual tax will be accepted from
November 1st to December 31st". I don't know whether this was the case
in 2013, but I paid my membership fee on Nov. 20 and it was accepted. I
was soon listed as a paying member in the album.

But you can imagine my surprise when I checked my profile in early 2014
and learned that I was not a paying member anymore. I was of the opinion
that I had "bought" a one-year-membership.

I asked around and studied the wiki and learned that membership fees are
only for a fixed period of the calendar year. While I thought it to be
quite unfair that my payment was accepted on Nov 20th, I decided that it
was probably my own fault because I had apparently overlooked the fine
print. Nevertheless, I was so annoyed that I never paid the tax again.

My conclusion: I think the tax paying system requires more transparency.
The payment rules are all there, in the wiki, but if I overlooked them,
others will, too. In addition, "accidental" payments in the
no-tax-paying time from Nov - Dec should be rejected instead of being
accepted (this probably works by now, but it certainly didn't work in 2013).

Using a transparent tool like Celsus' form is a great start (but also a
turn-off if you discover the amount of penalty). So I must follow my
previous speakers that the tax system, as it is now, will not lead to
more willing tax payers among new members.


Best regards,

Corvina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95720 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salve, Caesare!

Thank you for bug-tracking, it's important thing in development.

First and second errors - alredy fixed.
Can you answer for two questions, to eliminate bugs before they occur ?
1. There is citizen in NR with more than 4 nomens?
2. There is provincia in NR with 3 or more words in Title?

About 3 and 4 - as i said before ( you can see screenshots in my previous topic about taxes ): Assidui-status in Album Civivm is totaly broken, but everybody don't care about this.
There is "Make Payment" button in personal section of AC (that section that appearce after authorization), and this function give accidius-status EVERYBODY who pay 3.9 to PayPal.
I have currently Assidui (current) status, but i not paid 9 usd tax, i paid 3.9 via function.
So it must be fixed on NR side, not on my.
There is nothing difficult to parse this status from NR, it's just makes no sense.

Vete

@Corvina
Thank you very much. I realy hope that someone find this app useful.

Also agree with you about taxation politics. It's seems very strange, what organisation De-Facto existing on donations, reduce the willingness of members to pay taxes, imposing penalties


Best regards,

Marcus Flavius Celsus

Sarmatian Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95721 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: In-Person Meetings: Some suggestions for individuals.
Salvete omnes,
   I'm glad that many people are showing an interest in in-person meetings. Its worth noting that this is a goal that we can work towards without waiting for any assistance from the organization itself. Here are a few steps anyone could take to try & organize activity in his or her area:
  1. Contact the governor of your province and tell them that you want to organize activity in your area. Governors are supposed to have contact information for all citizens in their own provinces; they may know of others nearby who might be interested and be able to put you in touch.
  2. Join the email list for your province (there almost certainly will be one, or at least one for the older province(s) which formerly covered the same area. Then send out an email stating that you want to hold an event. List possible dates and times, the potential locations, and what you want to do. Then get feedback and try to work it out so that you know at least one other person is coming. Then send out another email advertising the final result.
  3. Add your name and location to this map (https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=586551), or update it if your information is already there. There is no need to add more contact details unless you really want to: any citizen can already contact you through the Album Civium (needless to say, you should make sure the email address you have attached to the Album Civium is still the one you use regularly).
  4. Use the same map to find other citizens near you, then contact them though the Album Civium with a specific event in mind. Also mention that you would be open to other ideas (assuming you are of course).
  5. Once you have agreed with at least one or two other Novi Romani to hold an event in steps 2 and/or 4, advertise the event through as many of the following venues as you can: flyers on local bulletin boards, Craigslist, the Main List, any other place you can think of.
  6. Meet at the scheduled place and time. Have a great time! Make plans to meet again.
  7. Once you have one or two regularly (at least 1/month) occurring meetings with at least two other regular attendees, consider creating a Meetup group. It's rather expensive, so have plans on how to leverage your account to create the most activity.
   These are just my suggestions. If anyone has other ideas on how the average citizen can set up events with minimal expense, please share them.
    Valete,
       A. Paterculus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95722 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salve,

In fact, everything is simple. We need not to talk, but we need to do. Lately, I have carefully read the main page. Do you you know what I see? I see only as one and the same problems moving from one topic to another. We do not solve a single problem here, we simply transfer problems from one topic to another. Problems changing their name, but their essence remains the same.

After a public debate is not solved a single problem. Everything just offer something, express their opinions and that`s all. And where is the result? Everything goes according to the scheme "announced, discussed, left out".

Just an example. Academia Thules. If its activities are not resumed, then this institution is unnecessary. If the problem can not be solved over the years, so this problem is not interesting. 

Except for the technical questions, all the activities of the New Rome is to maintain its own existence. Seeing the budget, I was horrified to osoznanal that the existence of our country does not have a purpose. We eked out an aimless existence.

Our goal - the restoration of Rome. But how do we achieve this goal if we do not do anything to achieve it. We do not have a clear plan. We just exist.

All around just stupid talk, but no real action. Even more than that, no real action has been scheduled. We do not look to the future, we are concerned only with maintaining meaningless existence.

Forgive the vulgarity. If I really want to use the toilet, I'm looking for any opportunity. Any possible. And what do we do in the New Rome? Are we looking for opportunities, as hard as looking for the toilet when we really want to go to the toilet?

Think what a trace in history has left New Rome during the long years of existence? And then think about why it happened? 

We can not get people interested in the theme of the New Rome, because we can not interested ourselves. We do not develop new Rome, we are engaged in order to maintain its existence.

It does not seem to mind the image of a Roman. It's more like a way of thinking of the dying man. The dying person does not think about the future, the dying man thinks only of how he survived.

Do you know why Sarmatia citizens do not enjoy the main list? Because of the language barrier and because of the fact that the top sheet just awful platform for communication. But there is another very important reason. There is nothing interesting, absolutely nothing of interest. Almost all of the information contained herein has no practical meaning and application. It is full of complaints, excuses, arguments, but nothing that would interest a practical man.

Communication here, given that I use a foreign language and awful platform takes me a long time. Ie rather than engage in practical activities to complete a scientific paper on Roman clothes, I spend time on meaningless chatter here.

Remember Corvus from municipium Poltava. He was a fan of the Roman religion. He knew what he wanted and did not spend time on the chatter. Corvus was consistently to the goal, when all continued talking here, he created the first municipium of NR in Sarmatia, and began construction of the temple. He was not just dreaming, he made real steps that would achieve heis dreams.

And what we are waiting for? Until someone comes and realize our dream in life? Ie we do not want to do anything but wait for someone or something?

The Romans conquered half the world, and Nova Roma for twenty years can not even get the site to work properly.

The province of Sarmatia is one reenactment community. I'm the head of this reenactment community. Budget  of our reenactment community more than the budget of the Nova Roma. We know what we want and we know how to achieve the desired. We do not talk in vain, we are moving to the target. 

 So what Nova Roma is waiting for? What we are waiting for?

You do not remember what our purpose? I will remind you. You do not see the target? I'll show you the goal. You do not know how to achieve the goal? I'll show you how to do it. Do you not have a plan? We'll give you a plan.

In New Rome has a huge potential, but no one wants to realize this potential. All they are waiting for something.

Some people give gradanstvo New Rome for their children. Twenty years later, your kids grow up. And what do you tell them? What's New Rome for forty years did nothing real? You will not be ashamed?

New Rome has to realize its potential, not in the distant future, but immediately. We must begin to work here and now.

We need to know what is the ultimate goal. Develop a plan, identify specific steps and deadlines. And start working. Talk less, work more.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95723 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salve Celsus

1. There maybe. Three names (praenomen nomen and cognomen) are the average normal number  - especially for new citizens. For those granted a special name of distinction that could make it four. For those adopted it can become four names. I suppose there maybe the odd citizen or two that has five, if they had four names to start with (as some did from years ago) and then were adopted. To be on the safe side I would allow for five names (unlikely though it may be).

2. Yes, there are some with three. There are none with four. For those in the Album list the maximum is three, and also on the list of new province names (http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_(Nova_Roma) ), which Caninus is working on getting added to the Album, three is the maximum.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Caesare!

Thank you for bug-tracking, it's important thing in development.

First and second errors - alredy fixed.
Can you answer for two questions, to eliminate bugs before they occur ?
1. There is citizen in NR with more than 4 nomens?
2. There is provincia in NR with 3 or more words in Title?
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95724 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salvete,

This is great. Glad to see someone being proactive! It'd be great if we had an API to get information from the database without giving out the actual database itself. Whether it's an outside vendor building it or not, I think it's something we ought to look into. This would allow citizens with programming knowledge (or even just API usage knowledge) to create interesting things on their own without requiring anything extra of the government.

@Celsus / @Severus, can you go into more details about what Sarmatia is up to? It sounds like you are all pretty proactive and I'd love to hear more.

@Corvina, I agree with you on the membership tax/dues. It's a confusing system and the NR website is extremely inefficient for browsing in its current state. It's very easy to miss details. As someone who just started, my tax penalty is $38 for an $8 tax. That's crazy. Imagine you were late paying your US taxes and they penalized the same way. On $100k, you'd end up being charged $475k! If paying taxes is already optional, I can only see a penalty on it being late being a deterrent, especially at the astronomical fees in Celsus' form.

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95725 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salvete!

Having an easy way to pay taxes is great and I applaud the initiative.  But the penalty is ridiculous and should be totally eliminated.  Senators, please correct this situation.

Valete!
Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:46:49 -0700
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes

 
Salvete,

This is great. Glad to see someone being proactive! It'd be great if we had an API to get information from the database without giving out the actual database itself. Whether it's an outside vendor building it or not, I think it's something we ought to look into. This would allow citizens with programming knowledge (or even just API usage knowledge) to create interesting things on their own without requiring anything extra of the government.

@Celsus / @Severus, can you go into more details about what Sarmatia is up to? It sounds like you are all pretty proactive and I'd love to hear more.

@Corvina, I agree with you on the membership tax/dues. It's a confusing system and the NR website is extremely inefficient for browsing in its current state. It's very easy to miss details. As someone who just started, my tax penalty is $38 for an $8 tax. That's crazy. Imagine you were late paying your US taxes and they penalized the same way. On $100k, you'd end up being charged $475k! If paying taxes is already optional, I can only see a penalty on it being late being a deterrent, especially at the astronomical fees in Celsus' form.

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95726 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Canines Celso sal.

3. Yes, a person may have 5 parts to their name. We have that in Nova Roma just as some Roman Emperors also had long names.
4. A place name with 4 parts may be possible but I cannot think of one in Nova Roma.

The tax payments and rates on the website are handled through Perl scripts and the Baldrick framework. The server has limited memory. We do not have command line access to make changes on the current server in Sweden. The database is housed on a separate server also in Sweden. The website needs to be moved to a server in the USA and then upgraded to new code and frameworks. The database  needs to be moved with the website.

Bene vale.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95727 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Caninus Muscae sal.

The Nova Roma data tables are stored in a database Nova Roma does not own on a server we cannot access. An API, which runs into privacy and regulatory problems in the European Union, should not be considered until we move everything to servers we can control.

Bene vale.

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95728 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Ave,

Here is the issue with the system.

Its focus is on transparency.  One of the biggest issues in Nova Roma's history was corruption of the ruling class - the previous ruling class that got bounced when they tried to do the coup attempt.  The Senate and I sacrificed the ease for the greater good of citizens knowing where they stand in the Class Structure of the Res Publica.  Outside of this one particular issue there has been relatively no complaints, and I have been CFO for about 4 almost 5 years now.  

If you want an easier tax system in place the only easier option is to have everyone pay the exact same amount!  This of course would mean those in Class III, IV and V would end up paying more....those in Class I would pay less.

I thought our goal was to create a more Roman system - which we did?  Do we want to change this?

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95729 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salve,

What steps do we need to take to get this data from the Swedish server to the States? Who owns the Swedish server and who owns the US server (if anyone)?

I'm assuming the site code must be pretty old if it's running perl/baldric. It'd be great if we could update the codebase when we do the transfer.  It'd also be good to have a common server (GitHub or Bitbucket, maybe) for everyone to contribute to/be able to view the source of the various parts of the site. Any sensitive data from membership (emails, passwords, real names, etc) should NOT be shown to anyone.

I am a software engineer by trade, so I'm open to helping out with some of this if the current owners are willing. @Caninus Maybe we should have a special sub-forum on nrdev to deal with IT-related things?

Vale,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95730 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Aug. 29. Nova Roma event in Pannonia
Salvete, Quirites!

I am glad to report from my provincia Pannonia that the Nova Roman Legio XXI Rapax of Pannonia, one of the two reenactment units of Pannonian Nova Roman citizens (the other is the Cohors VI Carpathica), will participate tomorrow in the main city festival of Szolnok.

It is now a tradition, we have been participating in this festival for years. 

Our next public event will be at the end of September, with the local subdivision of Pannonia, the burgus "Colonia Rostallo", where with members of our Cohors VI Carpathica we will spend 3 days together in full Roman immersion.

Valete!
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95731 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Centuriata
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The voting period for the Comitia Centuriata is now ended. The Cista is now closed. Results of the election will be posted soon. To all of the cives who cast a ballot in this election ---

                        Multas gratias vobis ago!

If you have any questions about this election, please contact the presiding magistrate M. Pompeius Caninus at caninus@...

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95732 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Populi Tributa
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The voting period for the Comitia Populi Tributa is now ended. The Cista is now closed. Results of the election will be posted soon. To all of the cives who cast a ballot in this election ---

                        Multas gratias vobis ago!

If you have any questions about this election, please contact the presiding magistrate M. Pompeius Caninus at caninus@...

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95733 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Avete Quirites et Severe!

While I am enjoying this exchange of opinions on the subject of Nova Roma's future, I want to tackle a point raised by T. Fl. Severus on the subject of language.    

The Praetorian Edict on languages issued by me and my (former) colleague Tutor. includes the following paragraphs:

VIII. The business language of this mailing list is English, and its ceremonial language is Latin, but there is no restriction on the use of other languages. However, official communications from state authorities and announcements that concern the entire citizenry must be in, or translated to, English.

IX. If there is any suspicion or complaint regarding messages written in any language other than English, the moderators may either request an English translation of the suspicious message or have it translated by their scribes or by volunteer NR interpreters.

X. Any message, in any language, found in default of either the Yahoo ToS or this Praetorian Edict, will be treated as violating items IV and V of this Edict and the sender may become subject to stricter moderation if his message contained insults that he hoped to veil by the use of a language other than English. Any future conflict will be adjudicated in compliance with the Lex Cornelia poenalis.


I was inspired to do so by the front page, showing a list of languages as the indication that Nova Roma, is a multicultural, multireligious society, just like ancient Rome, which started Latin, Etruscan and Sabine.
So far I have seen only our censor Sulla taking advantage of this opportunity, I hope more will follow his example.

I do not speak Russian and what I would like to have is a moderator to monitor that Russian messages be in accord with the laws of Nova Roma and the Yahoo's rules of conduct.
And, since we are on the subject, I also would like to have a German speaking moderator.  

Optime vale et valete
ALH Prætor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95734 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Aug. 29. Nova Roma event in Pannonia
Wonderful! I hope you get lots of pictures (and maybe video).

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95735 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: In-Person Meetings: Some suggestions for individuals.
Salve,

Wonderful suggestions. And that map is indeed invaluable. I see a good selection of people within easy driving distance.

Vale,

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95736 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salve,

I absolutely think this is a good idea, and I think people shouldn't be daunted by a lack of credentials. 

For instance, I, with my measly BA in Medieval History, will be presenting a course at the local library on various types of Scandinavian magic. I could certainly see people doing things online (on live G+ hangouts, or something similar), such as courses on various Roman topics, open to citizens. That would be an excellent incentive.

I certainly think the attempt could and should be made. What's the worst that could happen? Nobody shows up to an online class (although I sincerely doubt that will happen).

Vale,

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95737 From: Vedius Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salve,

The ending of the Academia Thules is indeed a tragedy. But I commend you for continuing to *do* something. Your Latin classes are indeed a worthy project.

If I didn't start a new job literally two days ago, I would avail myself of them. Hopefully at the start of the next one, once my schedule becomes a bit more set.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus


Va
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95738 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.  

A comment or two on various subjects, if I may:  the Academia Thules never was part of Nova Roma per se; it was affiliated with Nova Roma, and founded by Roman citizens.  Its Latin teaching functions passed to the wholly unrelated the SRL-SLU when its server broke and was not repaired.  Other courses appear simply to have vanished.  Perhaps references to this long-vanished institution should be removed from the NR site, and those to still-active entities substituted.  The SRL and SLU have now been divided, and the SLU was renamed SLEU some years ago.  There are Roman citizens among the students of both, and one or two among the faculty, but both are otherwise unaffiliated with NR.  We offer our services to citizens of NR as they should be interested in learning Latin, indeed in being able to communicate in Latin, as some of us here can do quite readily.  Eventually, too, our course offerings may expand to include Greek and the likes of Latin literature and / or Latin composition rather than just basic language instruction.  Along these academic lines, it is my understanding that a [former?] citizen attempted to set up another institution of this sort, the Academia Minervalis, which, however, may not have gotten off the ground.  

Regarding language, everyone here should have at least a passing acquaintance with  Latin both as a demonstration of our Romanitas and as a means of  facilitating communication in a single universal language.  Everyone everywhere should know at least one language above and beyond the one learnt from one's parents in an effort to broaden one's perspective on the world and its peoples, and Latin is a fine choice; it's the source of about 60% of the English vocabulary, and much more of those of the Romance languages, which also retain some of its grammar.  Far from being 'dead,' it is spoken even today throughout the world, and is not only far more lively than some believe, it is more lively than some people.  You may know some of those.  They sit with glazed eyes fixed on the tube…  

My US state requires passing an examination in a foreign language in order to proceed from junior high school / middle school to more advanced learning, which is a very good idea in this interdependent world.  Those who know only one language severely limit their ability to understand the world and the people in it.  Regarding your specific situation, Severe, the praetores may be able to obtain an interpreter for Russian / Ukrainian / whatever, but my guess is that Yahoo will not be able to display text in Cyrillic, although it might allow that once, then wreck any replies.  Even Greek seems beyond its talents.  It is indeed difficult to write in a foreign language, but perhaps we can help with interpreters who could translate for you.  At present, however, there aren't any.  

As for taxes, until recently new citizens did not have to pay taxes until the next round of 'tax season' at the very earliest.  Returning to that system would cut down on the confusion about such matters some citizens have expressed, as would switching back from the counterproductive 'pay to play' system now in place.  Very few sensible people would take on more work when they know that that would bring higher taxes, as is the case at present.  In the past, taxes were based on the GDP of the country of residence, not how many points one had; Americans paid about $16, while others paid less.  Penalizing someone for volunteering is not a wonderful idea, nor am I the only person who thinks along those lines.  

Vale, et valete.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95739 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A couple years ago, during Sulla's consular year, I set up a trial forum to explore updating our means of communication.  The project was never addressed in any official capacity, and I ended up having to close it down as I was using borrowed web space from a friend.  Since forums have become a subject of discussion again, I decided to revive the project.  I finally got it up and running, and it can be accessed here:

http://nrtrialforum.royalwebhosting.net/index.php

Anybody who had an account a couple years ago still has one, so your old usernames and passwords should work.  For anyone registering new accounts, once you're in, send me a PM and I'll get you full citizen privileges. I have it set up to mirror our current set of mailing lists to show the possibilities as an official form of communication. Part of that was allowing non-citizens to register so they can participate in non-citizen areas and getting moved into the citizen category when their citizenship was approved. Not strictly necessary at this point in time, but I wanted to show everything in place as it's intended to be.

I still intend to work in some more features, such as a mailing list plugin, but I need to explore some options before I can make that happen.  I also included a redirect link to Caninus' forum project so citizens can view both options and evaluate which one they think best suits our needs.  If anyone has any questions or problems with the forum, please feel free to let me know!

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95740 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
One quick addendum.  I forgot that I had it set up to require approval for all new accounts.  Should make it easy for me to catch new accounts as they come in.  I'll set citizen status immediately after approving new accounts.

Laterensis



On Friday, August 28, 2015 7:42 PM, "Glenn Thacker rajuc47@... [BackAlley]" <BackAlley@yahoogroups.com  
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

A couple years ago, during Sulla's consular year, I set up a trial forum to explore updating our means of communication.  The project was never addressed in any official capacity, and I ended up having to close it down as I was using borrowed web space from a friend.  Since forums have become a subject of discussion again, I decided to revive the project.  I finally got it up and running, and it can be accessed here:

http://nrtrialforum.royalwebhosting.net/index.php

Anybody who had an account a couple years ago still has one, so your old usernames and passwords should work.  For anyone registering new accounts, once you're in, send me a PM and I'll get you full citizen privileges. I have it set up to mirror our current set of mailing lists to show the possibilities as an official form of communication. Part of that was allowing non-citizens to register so they can participate in non-citizen areas and getting moved into the citizen category when their citizenship was approved. Not strictly necessary at this point in time, but I wanted to show everything in place as it's intended to be.

I still intend to work in some more features, such as a mailing list plugin, but I need to explore some options before I can make that happen.  I also included a redirect link to Caninus' forum project so citizens can view both options and evaluate which one they think best suits our needs.  If anyone has any questions or problems with the forum, please feel free to let me know!

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95741 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
A. Tullia Scholastica Flavio Vedio Germanico patri patriae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Yes, the departure of the Academia Thules was quite sad, but partly brought on itself as the rector refused to repair the server.  As we were in the middle of an academic term and finishing up a run of the Rudimenta Latina course (one you might enjoy if we could persuade Lentulus to teach it again), we had to find a new server ASAP, and were quite fortunate in that quest.  A citizen offered his assistance, and the Latin classes were back in business.  

Thank you very much for your compliments!  We hope to continue our Latin teaching even though we have had to divide the traditional courses from the assimilation ones.  We hope that somewhere (and sometime) we will be able to add Greek and some other courses; Avitus had mentioned Latin composition and Latin literature as well as the [previously aborted] third and final year of the assimilation method courses.  

Best of wishes for your new job!  Indeed, that is NOT the best time to embark on a course of foreign language study!  We hope, however, that you can join one of the Latin courses in the future, however, and would be honored to have you among our students.  Even before then, you might like to take the Rudimenta course (currently homeless and without a teacher), which is a short preliminary course about the history of Latin.  The text is 'A Natural History of Latin,' by Tore Janson.  It's an easy read, quite entertaining.  You (and the others) might enjoy reading it, even on your own. 

Vale, et valete!  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95742 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-28
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Caninus sal.

Severus is a designated interpreter for Russian <---
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95743 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Salve, Laterence!

A think NR need to choose one of this forum, and give link on official site and on Questor Greetings Email (what sends to newcomer after registation).

Alredy registered on forum, and waiting approval.

If you need, some help be free to write me personaly.

Vete!

Marcus Flavius Celsus
Sarmatia Prov
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95744 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Pompejo Canino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 
         Don't know why this is double-spaced...
         Now that we have active citizens in Sarmatia, it might be nice if we had a praetorian scriba who could handle the relevant languages.  One would merely have to deal with posts in said languages, not those in other languages, including English.  Perhaps Severus could take this on.  Quoad sciam, it is not only Yahoo lists which are problematic for persons in that area, but many other forms of communication.  

       BTW, if Severus is an official interpreter, it might be nice to inform the head of the decuria of interpreters--the Latin interpreter.  

      I didn't mention Google Translate in my post, but use if occasionally.  Last year one of my Spanish-speaking students complained loudly about Google Translate's efforts on turning my English into his Spanish; I can more or less read relevant Spanish, but not produce it.  Evidently GT speaketh not Castellano very well.  Latin via GT is a mess, but since Latin has an extensive morphology and a small vocabulary with many, occasionally contradictory, meanings, teaching GT Latin might not work.  The human mind is much better at such things.   Practice helps, too.  Many people have little difficulty figuring out the meanings of declensional endings.  Even English speakers, whose language lacks almost all such adornments, have been known to learn to speak Latin fluently.  ;-)  Computer programs may find this more challenging.  

Vale!  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95745 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Interpreters
M. Pompeius Caninus A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.

The Album Civium page for T. Flavius Severus (http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=12928) has the appropriate banner from the Censores. It seems he has been an interpreter since 2011, the same year he assumed the office of quaestor. I'm not sure why you would not be aware of his status. You should have been a censorial scribe at that time. Are you currently the Latin Interpreter? Your Album Civium page states you were from 2005 to 2008. 

Fac valeas!
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95746 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Severus Muscae sal.

This is no problem. I have prepared a detailed report to the Senate on the state of affairs in the province. Soon, I'll be glad to publish the report on the main list.

All our activity is concentrated in the real world. We do not need the Internet platform for communication, because almost all our active citizens know each other personally. Therefore, the citizens of Nova Roma, which oversees the activity of the provinces only on the Internet, it was felt that the province is not active.

Severus Canine sal.

It seems to me that with such attitude problem will be solved for a very long time. It is necessary to proceed as follows. The purpose of us is already known. Let's define the terms, the funds needed to achieve the goal, and the person in charge. If the task will not be performed in time, we will know who is to blame.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95747 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
T. Fl. Severus A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Yes, I have the appropriate banner from the Censores. I was a translator in Sarmatia before obtaining citizenship of Nova Roma. I would say more, everything is translated into Russian about Nova Roma, was translated by me. I translated a large number of laws of Nova Roma, including Constitution of Nova Roma. 

I was appointed as a translator by decree of the Senate.

However, Ukrainian is my native language. So I can also freely translated from English into Ukrainian and Belarusian languages. So, the Senate could give me an official interpreter status of these languages.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95748 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Salvete,

Translation, which provides Google Translate is pretty well. However, apart from the language barrier, there are a number of reasons due to which the citizens of Sarmatia do not use the main list. Yahoo mail list is very problematic for us, it is awful Internet platform for communication. Another problem is that the main list of Nova Roma does not contain any useful information. I'm more usefully spend time translating scientific articles on the material culture of ancient Rome than translating talk, quarrels and complaints on the main list.

However, if someone from the magistrates need my help with the translation, I'm happy to help.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95749 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Salvete,

I totally agree with Celsus. It is necessary to give one of the forums official status and work on improving this forum. You are wasting your time by working simultaneously on the two forums. 

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95750 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
In the interest of simplicity, I do think it would make sense to have a single flat membership fee. As a new citizen, it was very confusing to have to figure out my amount, and I would have paid more to have it be simpler.

L. Marius Vestinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95751 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Thank you for your message, Graecus.
I hope the republic can learn from its past and experiences like yours.
-L. Marius Vestinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95752 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Taxpayment levels
Cn. Lentulus L. Mario omnibusque s. p. d.

Unfortunately I did not have time to address those many important and interesting thoughts you and others brought up in the last couple of weeks, but since I have been just right now reading letters in my inbox and answering some private conversations, I use this "loophole" in my time schedule and I answer to this but a very brief comment.

Nova Roma had a single flat membership fee for over 11-12 years. It worked well, there was no problem with it, although our taxes were a bit lower than they should have been. The problem with the previous system was that it did not reflect our most important mission, namely that we are reconstructing and modelling the Roman republic. We had a fully fledged class system which was not used in any way. The classes were an extremely important part of the Roman republican system, and we were missing them from our civic life completely, even if they existed formally. Also, allocation into classes in the olden days of NR was not regulated, and our census points did not affect it much. (Currently there might be a number of irregularities in class allocations, but these are not because we don't have rules and laws that regulate it, but these exist only out of mistake). For many years I was promoting the idea to have a genuinely Roman system the reflects Roman reality better, so that our class membership be determined by our census points. My suggestion was a two-tiered or three-tiered taxation system: the lowest tier for the lowest (5th) class, medium high taxes for the 4th-3rd-2nd classes, and the highest rate for the 1st class and the equestrians. My suggestion was that by extra donation (a fix sum), one could obtain extraordinary admission to 1st class and to the equestrian order. 

Parts of my proposal were implemented, some parts were not, again other parts were implemented in a way that departed from my original idea. I always thought that having 5 tiers of taxes is superfluous and overly complicated. So I naturally would welcome a simplification, but I also insist that maintaining a certain degree of differentiation between the various classes and their tax requirements is beneficial for our Roman immersion. We should never forget that the main goal why we are here is "to live Romanitas". We can have differring views on what exactly our focus in NR is, varying between reenactment, learning, religion, Latin, real life events, online chit-chat with likeminded people, politics, Roman arts and philosophy etc... But we can safely state that the purpose of anyone who wants to be a CITIZEN of the RES PUBLICA NOVA ROMANA is, to certain degree, to live Romanitas in first person. And to this aspect of NR, an authentic and genuine reconstruction of Roman societal life is a must. Therefore it is no doubt that we should have classes, and that we should give different requirements for the different classes, however we don't necessarily need to add different tax-rates to each class. The classes are already very well differentiated by having different census point levels as requirements for membership in a certain class. But it would be both more transparent and simpler if different tax rates would be applied only to some "cornerstones", such as to the LOWEST class and to the HIGHEST class, and perhaps an intermediate to the MIDDLE classes. It would also make sense to add a specific tax rate requirement for the equestrian order.

And a final thought: advancement from a lower class to a higher class should not be obligatory by the accretion of census points. If a citizen reaches the census point amount required for advancement from 5th class to 4th class, he should not be allocated automatically to the higher class, but he should be allowed to decide whether he wants to advance to the higher class and thus to pay a higher tax rate, or to remain in his current lower class and pay the lower tax rate. If he pays the higher tax rate, he would be moved to the higher class, but if he doesn't want to pay more, he would be left in his current class (and he would continue paying his current, lower, taxes). In the current system that is in force now, if you work more for NR, you have to pay more and more, because you get census points for your offices, and as you have more and more census points, you advance in classes, and as you advance, your tax rates grow higher and higher. So, in a certain sense, you both need to work more, and need to pay more. It is not popular, and many have complained about the current system. There are situations, when somebody is willing to serve NR in offices, and he is also willing to pay 9 USD. But eventually his services and offices result in an accretion of census points, and he finds out that as a fruit of his services to NR, he now has to pay 30 USD. And in the current system he doesn't have a choice to remain in the lower class. Advancement is obligatory, so he can choose between paying 30, or losing his status and offices altogether. People get disappointed by this situation, while if we allowed such people to stay in the lower class and pay the lower amount, they would not be disppointed: some would choose to pay more and advance a class level, some others would choose to remain in the lower class and pay less. People would be generally happier to work with and in NR, and we would lose less people because of disappointment with our taxation system. 

Valete!

Cn. Lentulus
quaestor

Da: "MajikPiG majikpig@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
In the interest of simplicity, I do think it would make sense to have a single flat membership fee. As a new citizen, it was very confusing to have to figure out my amount, and I would have paid more to have it be simpler.

L. Marius Vestinus



On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 6:02 AM, pro_praetore@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95753 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
TM.Quadra T.Fl.Severus, salutem plurimam dicit,
I read your take on our level of discussion & its effects.
Setting aside, for the time being, we can't do much online - no brick & mortar, building... no mega million dollar budget, etc.
The one thing we can do, by leaps & bounds will require us to "go back to basics."
How basic? Kindergarten basic. I've said these before:
We need to practice regularly, speaking Latin, Roman Latin, ancient Latin.
What do kids, who can do practically nothing, do?
Talk, talk, talk; ask, ask, ask; laugh, laugh, laugh, talk, talk, talk.
If we can't build our language, how can we expect to build anything substantial.
And I'm not talking about only speaking Latin on an exclusive page, where if you can't speak Latin, your submissions are not posted.
Anyway, Nova Roma does a lot of good, but it is still pre-Kindergarten, as a whole, from the starting point of its most basic skill - speaking the language, native Latin language, which by the way, I know we'll never master, here online (PROVE ME WRONG, please).
Res tota mihi provisa est.
The whole business has been arranged by me.
Valete,
(Augustus Caesar) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Nero Romano Germanicus)
From: "pro_praetore@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

That's a real Roman way of thinking and action. Here in Nova Roma, we talk a lot, but few do. Celsus, you did a great job, you set an example worthy of emulation. Dictum factum.

Frankly, almost no one here is not engaged in creative activity, only ranting. How can we restore Rome, if we do not creat? Even the payment form is not able to mend. However, Celsus not overawed by the difficulties he went and did, acted like a real novaroman Sarmatian.

For Nova Roma it would be imprudent not to take the help of Celsus. Sarmatia has many another specialists: historians, experts in the field of historical reenactment, talented artisans. But these professionals are not in demand, because we are talking, not create. For conversations special knowledge is not necessary.

I hope that things will change in the near future and Celsus initiative is one of the first indications of positive change.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95754 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Salvete,

I think the recreation of Rome aspect is different for everyone, even those in power. I read back through a ton of historical posts and wiki articles, and there has been contention over almost everything. At this point, we are totally ignoring the Religio, yet this was a crucial part of everyday life for Romans of the Republic. There are obviously other issues which have already been dropped/outlawed (like slavery, for example) just by the constitution itself.

We are clearly cherry-picking what suits us at a given time. The flat fee, you say, worked well and was only dropped to be more "Roman." I would caution anyone doing things like this because so much of the ancient world has no place in the modern one. 

Now, the issue of tax- I personally don't care if it's tiered or flat, but the fact that it is confusing so many people shows me it ought to be changed. Whether that means restoring the flat fee or just heavily documenting it in the wiki and making sure it is prominently displayed, I think, should be up to everyone.

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95755 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
Ave,

I do not see how the tax system is so complicated.  It consists of 3 steps.

1.  Find out your Census points - which is located in the Album Civium - under Century:  DETAILS. - Min is 248
2.  Using the Total - you can find out what class you are in via the Lex Cornelia de Classibus et Ordine Equistri  - section VII.
3.  Now that class I is the Class you find out the amount. - Search word TAX in the Wiki brings up the Tax FAQ where it has the amount and how to pay,
4.  Pay the tax via paypal to payments@...

Total time it took to do all 4 steps:  45 seconds.

I am not going to change the tax system.  The system is about as simple as it can be outside of a flat tax.  

Consider filing your macrontional taxes HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND TO PREPARE AND FILE your macro taxes? - I wish our macronational taxes were as easy to prepare and file as this!  Let alone the cost of hiring a tax preparer or the software so you could be able to file your own taxes.   This 4 step process is NOTHING compared to our other taxes that we are forced to pay.  

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95756 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
You can't really compare national taxes to the NR tax which is basically a membership fee.

People are confused about the system, just read their replies. I don't understand why you are ignoring their concerns he because a system you helped implement is easy for you.

-Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95757 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
I have always compared our taxes to National Taxes.  ALWAYS.  They are the same.  This is NR's primary source of revenue from which Nova Roma pays its bills.

I am reading the replies.  I think our citizens are smart enough to figure it out how to do 4 simple steps. Or do you think our citizens are to incompetent to complete 4 simple steps?

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95758 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: ROME - HBO
Avete Omnes,

Rome the HBO series is just starting on HBO Zone West.

Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95759 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Pompejo Canino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Generally I dealt with nomenclature when I was a censorial scriba, especially after the simple test for the end of the tirocinium was removed.  To put it gently, I do not spend a great deal of time visiting the wiki or the main website, but read the e-mail which Yahoo delivers to my mailbox.  I do not, however, memorize it.  

So far as I am aware, I am the Latin interpreter.  I did not resign, and am unaware that anyone else was appointed; after all, there are not very many of us here who qualify.  Lentulus is quite busy with other matters, and several of the others I know of who have the requisite skills are inactive or merely pop up as the spirit moves them; some, like me, are teachers, and FL teachers in particular do not have scads of spare time during the academic year--if ever.  That is even more the case for online FL instruction, for what could be dealt with in a classroom must be handled via e-mail or the class fora, thus consuming even more time.  In Sermo, we must also use an interpreter for the Spanish posts, so everything must be translated.  That, of course, requires even more time.  

There are mistakes in the Album, as some of the recent correspondence indicates.  

Vale, et valete.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95760 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not sure what you mean by 'banner,' but am delighted to learn of your many linguistic talents!  Comparatively speaking, very few can manage more than one foreign language, although the creator of the Sermo courses, former citizen Avitus, knows 15.  I have had a mere five or so, with some reading knowledge in one or two others. 

 
Indeed, if you can handle Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian, you certainly could be appointed an interpreter for those languages.  

Fac valeas!   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95761 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Project: Nova Roma Unofficial] Payment form of taxes
I wouldn't call someone incompetent just because they find the website hard to navigate.

Unless NR starts paying for educators, modern web sites, meet up groups, reenactments etc with the taxes, it is not even remotely comparable to a real country's tax. You can call it a tax, but it's a membership fee for the very basics.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95762 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Of course I endorse your sentiments regarding the use of Latin (most of them, anyway).  Some of us here, including the silent minority, are quite fluent in Latin, a skill more difficult than acquiring the equivalent in a modern language, for neologisms must be invented and standardized.  Some years ago, we very nearly acquired a large number of Latinists, but their leader met stiff resistance to the use of Latin, and he himself left Nova Roma.  Sadly, we never got any of this group to join us, all because some refuse to learn Latin, and complain when it is used in public outside of the two  Latin ghettos.  We got neo-Nazis (eventually removed), but never got Latinists, other than the few homegrown ones.  Apparently Nazis who speak English were more welcome in some quarters than Latinists who don't.  How sad!  Latin provided about 60% of the English vocabulary, yet English speakers claim they cannot learn it!  That may indeed be true in the case of the elderly and / or those with hippocampal or other brain damage, but the rest of the population should be able to manage a basic reading knowledge of Latin.   Research has shown that television viewing in early childhood is one of the most important of the factors which interferes with language and logic acquisition, so shut the machines off and (unless you need a screen reader) read books--you know, those things printed on paper, not electronic tablets.  

Valé!  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95763 From: xai776@yahoo.com Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] ROME - HBO
Salve, 

Seen it already, kinda disappointed by how boring and anti climatic it was.

Vale,
Macra

Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android device

----- Reply message -----
From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova_roma_]" <Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com Rome the HBO series is just starting on HBO Zone West. Enjoy! Vale, Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95764 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] ROME - HBO
Ave,

Yeah well it was supposed to last 4 to 5 seasons....and got downgraded to just 2 seasons. :(  Too bad the couldnt keep to the original timeframe it would have been substantially better.

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95765 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Neo-Nazis?  More than one?  I was only aware of one and that person was expelled by NR's leadership at the time?  Was there more than one?

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95766 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
Caninus Celso s.p.d.

Laterensis and I set the forums up back in 2013. We provided a few options, different kinds of software with different features to let the citizens decide. Very few citizens joined the forums. The forums never replaced the mailing lists. I would like to go with Laterensis's Simple Machines forum but we need to find a way to link with the mailing lists or at least get the forums to work with citizens mailboxes. There is merit in the idea of shutting down the mail lists and make the forum the official communications tool but I doubt we could make that happen. 
By the way, if you would like work on my staff just send me an email.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95767 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
I'm already on the trail of getting a mailing list plugin installed on my forum.  I hope I can get it to run.  Using free hosting limits me a bit.  I plan to start working on this more seriously tomorrow.  Before it's all said and done, I might have to cough up some dough and switch hosts if I want everything to work as planned.  I hope not... I'm not made of money.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"'M. Pompeius Caninus' caninus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Caninus Celso s.p.d.

Laterensis and I set the forums up back in 2013. We provided a few options, different kinds of software with different features to let the citizens decide. Very few citizens joined the forums. The forums never replaced the mailing lists. I would like to go with Laterensis's Simple Machines forum but we need to find a way to link with the mailing lists or at least get the forums to work with citizens mailboxes. There is merit in the idea of shutting down the mail lists and make the forum the official communications tool but I doubt we could make that happen. 
By the way, if you would like work on my staff just send me an email.

Fac valeas!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95768 From: reenbru Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
avete omnes in foro!

Gratias tibi ago, Severe. The praetorian cohort will depend on you if and when help may be necessary with messages in Ukrainian and Russian.

Optime vale et valete.
A. Liburnius Hadrianus, Praetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95769 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
I'm already a member of the forum provided by Caninus, however I'll create an account on yours as well. If that's the one Caninus wants to use, we should shut the other one down so there's no confusion.

-Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95770 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Salvete,

I'm interested in learning Latin, but I don't think it should be a prerequisite for ordinary citizens. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, most provinces spoke their own languages in day to day matters, only using Latin or (Greek in some cases) for official purposes. I don't think it should be mandatory for everyone, but it would be good if it were the official state language for all official documents. Obviously that wouldn't happen overnight and I don't think it would happen without NR-sponsored courses (online obviously) to get anyone and everyone interested up to speed.

How many latin teachers do we have amongst the populace?

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95771 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica L. Lucio Sullae quiritibus bonae voluntatis sal.  

Yes, the M.D. one (Claudius [?] Priscus) who passed the citizenship test and was detected some time later brought some of his friends to our shores.  Ancient Rome apparently appeals to these charmers.  

Fortunately those whose e-mail addresses were the likes of 'black shirt' set off enough alarms to bring a quick end to their attempts.  Marinus tracked down the original one, and kept his eyes on suspicious characters.   

Vale(te).  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95772 From: Tiberius Cassius Atellus Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Laterensis' NR Trial Forum
A. Valerius Barbatus actually suggested a similar approach to updating the online community experience, and he's had a Simple Machines Forum set up and ready for trial use since 2011 or so. I've helped him just a little bit with it, but it seems like it's worth a try. One advantage is that he already has a working mailing list plugin set up, and now we just need users and traffic to test the system and get issues worked out.

Castle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95773 From: cfurius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Salve;

Learning latin isn't difficult. Torrent Rosetta Stone from TPB, torrent the three latin courses, and you're learning Classical Latin quickly and effectively.

Vale,
C. Furius Scaevola
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95774 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Please don't encourage software piracy on the official Nova Roma lists. We don't want the corporation to be held liable in any way for criminal activities.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95775 From: decimuscurtius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

Salve!

I just visited the Academia Minervalis (academiaminervalis.org), it appears they are still active. There is an update posted from August 20th.

Optime Vale.


---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <flavia@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95776 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Junio Muscae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not being a historian, I dare not pontificate on the languages spoken in the various parts of the Roman republic and / or Empire.  However, my guess is that anyone who had government business had to know at least rudimentary spoken Latin, plus it surely would have been necessary for official purposes.  Remember the famous clip from 'The Life of Brian?'  The centurion is correcting the hapless provincial's disastrous Latin…and threatening him with permanent reproductive insufficiency if he does not write a certain phrase 100 times.  

I am glad that you want to learn Latin; there are many paths to this, including the Grammatica and Sermo courses.   We cannot impose a knowledge of Latin on the citizenry at present, especially since so few schools teach it any more, but a knowledge of Latin should be a goal for every citizen of Nova Roma.  Making it the official language for all documents would be a move in the right direction.  I doubt that NR sponsored courses are necessary; the affiliated and non-affiliated ones we mention to the citizenry are quite suitable.  Work, however, is involved.  

To take but one example in this vein, there are reenactment legions which are not affiliated with NR, which does not prevent NR citizens from joining them or attending any reenactment events they present; there is one which is sponsored by NR, which (I hope) does not mean that non-citizens cannot join or visit such events.  Some of the legions are sticklers on authenticity, others less so; correspondingly some Latin courses are better, and more demanding, than others.  The Sermo courses were devised by a prominent European Latinist known for his fluency in Latin, and the Grammatica ones by one of his very first students, the first to whom he awarded a mark over 90%; they are not pushovers, but very rewarding to those who persevere.  Add that research has shown that Latin is the single most beneficial language for such matters as the SAT; Latin requires logical analysis of the texts and of one's writings or utterances therein, so, like spinach, it's GOOD for you!  However, not every Latin course is equal…and even the merits of a course depend not only on its content, but also on the knowledge and skill of its teacher.  
 

As for numbers and such, not all Latin speakers, or other Latinists, are Latin teachers.  One of the most prominent European ones, the publisher of a journal in Latin, is a medical doctor.  Latinists come from just about every walk of life; some are teachers, some are professors, some are medical people, some are attorneys, some are writers, some are in the clergy, some are musicians, etc., but I don't know the professions of more than a handful of the major Latinists worldwide.  Even non-Latinists, such as a certain J. K. Rowling, use Latin ('protego,' 'accio patronem,' et al.).  My gens-mate Valerianus and I teach Latin; Lentulus teaches something related and is studying for his doctorate in classics, but Metellus is in the financial field (the last I heard), and Cordus is an attorney.  There are others who may still be in NR and on the ML who are quite silent; I know at least a couple who never peep up on the ML.  We don't know just how many Latinists are here, but the censors might be able to retrieve a rough count by noting how many applicants mention Latin in response to the standard questions on the form. We used to have very nice discussions in Latin on the ML, in which several of us participated.  'Twould be nice to resume those.  Immersion brings rapid learning.  

Vale, et valete.  

   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95777 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Salvete omnes!
I'm from Spain and I would like to be spanish interpreter if you need it.
Valete
Quintus Lutatius Catulus



El Sábado 29 de agosto de 2015 21:32, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not sure what you mean by 'banner,' but am delighted to learn of your many linguistic talents!  Comparatively speaking, very few can manage more than one foreign language, although the creator of the Sermo courses, former citizen Avitus, knows 15.  I have had a mere five or so, with some reading knowledge in one or two others. 

 
Indeed, if you can handle Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian, you certainly could be appointed an interpreter for those languages.  

Fac valeas!   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95778 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Ave,

Musca, this has already been done, by me, a long long time ago:


I. Due to the increasingly inter macronational nature of the Citizenship of Nova Roma, it has become necessary for the official language policy of the Republic to be defined, in such a way that acknowledges our historical antecedents, practical concerns, and the sensibilities of all of our Citizens. To that end, this Lex Cornelia de Linguis Publicis is adopted.

II. Latin is hereby adopted as the official ceremonial language of Nova Roma. As such, it shall be used in rites conducted by the curule magistrates and appointed priests of Nova Roma on behalf of the entire nation, as well as other circumstances where it may be deemed appropriate.

III. English is hereby adopted as the business language of Nova Roma's central government. As such, it shall be used in official communications from and day-to-day business conducted by the central government (defined for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be used in such communications where deemed appropriate, but an English translation must accompany such communications.

IV. In order to accommodate the Needs of Citizens who do not speak English, or who speak English as a Second Language, and in accordance with section IV 9 of the Constitution, the Decuria Interpretum is established.

A. The Decuria Interpretum shall consist of ten Interpretes who shall be responsible for making official translations of all proposed Leges and Plebiscita, and all Edicta and official announcements made by the magistrates of Nova Roma, along with all Senatus Consulta. The Interpretes shall also be responsible for providing official translations of all Leges, Plebiscita, Senatus Consulta, Priestly Decreta, and Magisterial Edicta in force at the time this lex is passed. Each of the Interpretes shall have authority to appoint his own scribae. Should the position be vacant, and suitable and willing candidates are available, the Senate shall have the authority to appoint interpretes.

B. Each of the Interpretes shall be responsible for one language.

C. The Position of Interpres Latinitatis is established. The Interpres Latinitatis shall serve as the Caput/Magister of the Decuria Interpretum and shall provide aid to magistrates in complying with section II of this lex in addition to the duties of all members of the Decuria Interpretum.

D. Interpretes for the five non-English and Latin Languages most widely spoken in Nova Roma are hereby established. Until such time as the Senate determines which languages are most widely spoken, The Interpretes will provide translations of the French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish Languages.

E. The Language that the remaining four Interpretes shall provide shall be chosen by the Senate of Nova Roma.

V. In the event of linguistic differences between texts, the language that will be considered official in terms of interpretation shall be English.

VI. This lex does not effect in any way languages used in official or unofficial provincial fora, fora maintained by official Sodalitates, or private fora (including but not limited to email lists organized by private Citizens).

Passed by Comitia Populi Tributa, Yes-18; No-16; Abstain-0
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95779 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Ave,

Oh I am aware of Priscus, Po and Caesar told me all about his brief tenure.  I was not aware of friends.  Interesting.

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95780 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Furio Scaevolae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

I agree that learning Latin isn't difficult, although too many are terrified of even trying to learn it, or any highly inflected language.  However, I am not wonderfully familiar with Rosetta Stone, and certainly don't know what 'torrent' means in this context (but can guess), or what TBP might be…but a subsequent poster seemed to indicate that software piracy might be involved.  We surely do not endorse that sort of thing.  Moreover, osmosis rarely works for learning much of anything, especially among adult learners.  Work is in fact involved.  Work was also involved in creating Rosetta Stone, and any other software package, and those who spent their time and efforts on such programs deserve to be compensated for them.  No one would like someone visiting one's residence surreptitiously and making off with the electronics, the files, the jewelry, the fancy clothing, and other possessions (years ago some bratty JHS age H addicts stole even the meat from the freezers of some residents here); no one should steal the efforts of programmers, language experts, etc., who create such programs.  We classicists are not proctored during examinations, even when said torments are held in the professor's office, for no one cheats.  Ever.  The rest of the population should follow suit.  I realize that too many of my juniors have very different views on this sort of thing, but it might be time to contemplate putting the shoe on the other foot, and consider how one would like having one's own things, or one's efforts, stolen.  Not very much, I suspect.  

Vale, et valete.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95781 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica L. Cornelio Sullae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Priscus' stay was not quite so brief as we might have liked, nor as quiet; he contacted several of us privately or via the Album.  He had completed the three month tirocinium and passed the citizenship examination handily (after all, he wasn't dumb, being a doctor, maybe on the way to being Joe Mengele the second).  There was some sort of provocation for his departure, a trial if I am not mistaken, but perhaps I am wrong, as happens on more than one occasion.  

Yes, he wanted to get some of his buddies here, too.  Marinus exposed him after some detective work on his own, and kept his eyes peeled for the others.  All of us owe him big time for that; there were at least a couple or three of them who followed.  

Vale(te).  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95782 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-08-29
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Q. Lutatius Catulus A. Tullia Scholastica S.P.D.
I would like to learnt latin too. I learnt it a bit in high school and I loved it. Latin would be helpful for my career too since I'm studying history and my field will be ancient history.
Valete
Catulus



El Domingo 30 de agosto de 2015 2:27, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Junio Muscae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not being a historian, I dare not pontificate on the languages spoken in the various parts of the Roman republic and / or Empire.  However, my guess is that anyone who had government business had to know at least rudimentary spoken Latin, plus it surely would have been necessary for official purposes.  Remember the famous clip from 'The Life of Brian?'  The centurion is correcting the hapless provincial's disastrous Latin…and threatening him with permanent reproductive insufficiency if he does not write a certain phrase 100 times.  

I am glad that you want to learn Latin; there are many paths to this, including the Grammatica and Sermo courses.   We cannot impose a knowledge of Latin on the citizenry at present, especially since so few schools teach it any more, but a knowledge of Latin should be a goal for every citizen of Nova Roma.  Making it the official language for all documents would be a move in the right direction.  I doubt that NR sponsored courses are necessary; the affiliated and non-affiliated ones we mention to the citizenry are quite suitable.  Work, however, is involved.  

To take but one example in this vein, there are reenactment legions which are not affiliated with NR, which does not prevent NR citizens from joining them or attending any reenactment events they present; there is one which is sponsored by NR, which (I hope) does not mean that non-citizens cannot join or visit such events.  Some of the legions are sticklers on authenticity, others less so; correspondingly some Latin courses are better, and more demanding, than others.  The Sermo courses were devised by a prominent European Latinist known for his fluency in Latin, and the Grammatica ones by one of his very first students, the first to whom he awarded a mark over 90%; they are not pushovers, but very rewarding to those who persevere.  Add that research has shown that Latin is the single most beneficial language for such matters as the SAT; Latin requires logical analysis of the texts and of one's writings or utterances therein, so, like spinach, it's GOOD for you!  However, not every Latin course is equal…and even the merits of a course depend not only on its content, but also on the knowledge and skill of its teacher.  
 

As for numbers and such, not all Latin speakers, or other Latinists, are Latin teachers.  One of the most prominent European ones, the publisher of a journal in Latin, is a medical doctor.  Latinists come from just about every walk of life; some are teachers, some are professors, some are medical people, some are attorneys, some are writers, some are in the clergy, some are musicians, etc., but I don't know the professions of more than a handful of the major Latinists worldwide.  Even non-Latinists, such as a certain J. K. Rowling, use Latin ('protego,' 'accio patronem,' et al.).  My gens-mate Valerianus and I teach Latin; Lentulus teaches something related and is studying for his doctorate in classics, but Metellus is in the financial field (the last I heard), and Cordus is an attorney.  There are others who may still be in NR and on the ML who are quite silent; I know at least a couple who never peep up on the ML.  We don't know just how many Latinists are here, but the censors might be able to retrieve a rough count by noting how many applicants mention Latin in response to the standard questions on the form. We used to have very nice discussions in Latin on the ML, in which several of us participated.  'Twould be nice to resume those.  Immersion brings rapid learning.  

Vale, et valete.  

   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95783 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Lutatio Catulo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

I'm delighted to hear that you would like to learn Latin, and already had some Latin and liked it!  Indeed, Latin is very helpful for the study of history, and effectively essential for that of ancient history.  One cannot understand the history of a people without knowing something of their language, especially when so many of the necessary documents are in Latin…  

The chairman of the history department at my undergraduate university, a solemn fellow who was the mace bearer at graduation, always put a Latin saying up on the list of students who had passed the comprehensive examinations.  I tried to dredge one up from my memory, but so far have not gotten the wording exactly correct.  

Would you like to join one of our courses?  Time is getting very short for the Grammatica courses, which will begin in a few hours (literally, as the server is far to my east, and the lessons are revealed automatically).  As a Spanish speaker, you have several advantages:  your language is a direct descendant of Latin, and moreover is very conservative, retaining Latin vocabulary and even grammatical elements; secondly, there are several very fine Latinists in and from Spain, including A. Gratius Avitus, the creator of the Sermo Latinus courses, who has some sort of website there, and there is a Circulus Latinus, a Latin-speaking group, in Madrid.  There may be one in Barcelona as well.  Several of the Sermo students are from Madrid, and my best from last year was from Barcelona, but just moved to Madrid.  For other Europeans, every year there are two immersion sessions in Germany, perhaps one in Holland, and one in Belgium; there may be others closer to you.  We have had Sermo students from all of the above Germanic-speaking countries as well as many from Spain, some from France, some from Italy, and a sprinkling from Asia and Africa.  Usually there are some from the US, or Canada, or England, or Australia, or several of the English-speaking countries.  

Please let me know if you would like to try one of our courses.  

Valé(te).  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95784 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Provinces in the Album Civium
Caninus omnibus s.p.d.

Citizens in Canada and USA should have their correct province listed on their album civium page. I will be working on Europe tomorrow.

Facite valeatis!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95786 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Gratias tibi ago, Hadriane,

I am always at your service.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95787 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
TM.Quadra A. Tullia Scholasticae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 
My observation & my advise infra.
Sometime I see letters written by Romans herein that are sooo verbose, that reading them would take the better part of two hours.
I'd suggest that any Roman writer herein write at least two sentences in Latin, each sentence followed by its English translation, and written somewhat interactively.
For example:
Ego volumus nos noluit omnes loqui (scripsi) at saltem duo Latine sententias per die, in hoc.
I wish we'd all speak (write) at least two Latin sentences per day, herein.
Ita, Ego sum scripturam haec duo sententias ille via Ego volumus ad videre quod a exemplar, eius fluant.
Thus, I'm writing these two sentences the way I hope to see as a model, its flow.
... and then the Roman writer can get into the long paragraphs that can be as detailed as one wants to make it.
Again, this has been & will continue to be my long standing request.
Valete,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra
From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Neo-Nazis?  More than one?  I was only aware of one and that person was expelled by NR's leadership at the time?  Was there more than one?

Vale,

Sulla



On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:53 PM, flavia@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95788 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Ave A. Tullia Scholastica T. Marcio Quadrae,

Really?   Because I do not speak Latin, now I am a Nazi?   Such a blanket accusation is at best troubling.

I took one year of Latin in college.   My professor was kind enough to give me a C, while advising me I would never pass second year Latin.     There are some of us who have no innate ability in languages.  I am one.  I admire and envy those who have an aptitude for acquiring languages. 

Yet it is exactly this type of comment which tends to discourage those who have an interest in ancient Rome and would be inclined to join Nova Roma to expand that interest.  To make such supercilious assertions is unfortunate.  For shame!

Vale,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legate pro Praetore, Province of Texia  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95789 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Daily Latin comment
A. Liburnius Hadrianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Mea harpasti¹ dilectissima "Juventus" factio a Romae factione hodie in Roma profligata fuit.
Nova factio "Sassuolo", quae ad maximo grado in anno MMDCCLXVII promota fuit, ducet totas factiones in foedere².

Valete optime!

¹ Worldwide (but not American) style of football.
² League
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95790 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: Interpreters
A.Liburnius Hadrianus Catulo omnibusque S.P.D

Thank you for volunteering. I can now stop being the self appointed interpreter of Spanish, which I can easily ready, but not write. 

Vale et valete,
A.L.H. praetor



On Saturday, August 29, 2015 7:10 PM, "Quintus Lutatius quintuslutatius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete omnes!
I'm from Spain and I would like to be spanish interpreter if you need it.
Valete
Quintus Lutatius Catulus



El Sábado 29 de agosto de 2015 21:32, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not sure what you mean by 'banner,' but am delighted to learn of your many linguistic talents!  Comparatively speaking, very few can manage more than one foreign language, although the creator of the Sermo courses, former citizen Avitus, knows 15.  I have had a mere five or so, with some reading knowledge in one or two others. 

 
Indeed, if you can handle Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian, you certainly could be appointed an interpreter for those languages.  

Fac valeas!   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95791 From: dusio54 Date: 2015-08-30
Subject: Re: New Civis.

Salvete Omnes!


My name is Decimus Petronius Petrus. I am of the Plebian order and the Gens: Petronia. I am excited to be a new active/registered Citizen.


Bene vale!