Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Sep 1-13, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96145 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Centuriata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95820 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95821 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: APB Tribunes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95822 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95823 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95824 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Daily Latin comment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95825 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95826 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95827 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95828 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: New Civis.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95829 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95830 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95831 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95832 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95833 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95834 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95835 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: APB: Aediles Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95836 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95837 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95838 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95839 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95840 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95841 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Official Comitia Centuriata Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95842 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Official Comitia Populi Tributa Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95843 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95844 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95845 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95846 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95847 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Calendar Note
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95848 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95849 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95850 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95851 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: Calendar Note
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95852 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95853 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Congratulations! (Among other things)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95854 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95855 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: Official Comitia Centuriata Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95856 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: For the new Aediles
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95857 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Trademark usage --- was: Congratulations! (Among other things)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95858 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: CONSULAR OATH OF OFFICE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95859 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Oath of Office - Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95860 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Consular ritual on behalf of Sex. Lucilius consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95861 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: CONSULAR OATH OF OFFICE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95862 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Intention to call the CC to ensemble.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95863 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Call for candidates for Praetor suffectus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95864 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95865 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95866 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95867 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95868 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95869 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95870 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95871 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95872 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95873 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95874 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95875 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95876 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95877 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95878 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95879 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95880 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95881 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95882 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95883 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95884 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Report of the August 2015 Senate Session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95885 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Oath - Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95886 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95887 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95888 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95889 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95890 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95891 From: decimuscurtius Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95892 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: CENSORIAL EDICT - REMOVAL OF NOTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95893 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Official apologies to L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95894 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Official apologies to L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95895 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95896 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: EDICT ON APPOINTMENT OF SCRIBE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95897 From: Nero Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95898 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95899 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95900 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95901 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95902 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95903 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Currency Points and the Macellum - Pag
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95904 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95905 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95906 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95907 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95908 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95909 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95910 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Today in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95911 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Today in Roman History
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95912 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata is convened.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95913 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata page.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95914 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95915 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95916 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95917 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata is convened - Attestation of Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95918 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Witness Statement of Gaius Aemilius Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95919 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95920 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95921 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95922 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95923 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95924 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Magistrates - witness of appointment and investment of imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95925 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95926 From: Teleri Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement of Helena Galeria Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95927 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: testificatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95928 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95929 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95930 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95931 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95932 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95933 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95934 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95935 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95936 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95937 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95938 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95939 From: Dorottya Virág Mák Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95940 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95941 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Currency Points and the Macellum -
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95942 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95943 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95944 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95945 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95946 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95947 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95948 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Qyestion about using of NR symbols.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95949 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95950 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95951 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95952 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95953 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95954 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: CERTAMEN PETRONIANUM II - WEBPAGE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95955 From: Decimus Sertorius Brutus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95956 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95957 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95958 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: LUDI ROMANI OPENING
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95959 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio - September 2758 a.U.c
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95960 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: The CP wishes - Lex Curiata de imperio.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95961 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95962 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95963 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Venator - return and update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95964 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95965 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - Opening Ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95966 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95967 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95968 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95969 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95970 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - History Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95971 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95972 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95973 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95974 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95975 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95976 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95977 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95978 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95979 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Yale Open Course College Classes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95980 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95981 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95982 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95983 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95984 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95985 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95986 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95987 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95988 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95989 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95990 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95991 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Shana Tova!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95992 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: LUDI ROMANI - SHORT ESSAY CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95993 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Shana Tova!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95994 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani - Opening Ritual



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96145 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-28
Subject: THE CISTA IS CLOSED - Voting has ended in the Comitia Centuriata
M. Pompeius Caninus consul Quiritibus SPD.

The voting period for the Comitia Centuriata is now ended. The Cista is now closed. Results of the election will be posted soon. To all of the cives who cast a ballot in this election ---

                        Multas gratias vobis ago!

If you have any questions about this election, please contact the presiding magistrate M. Pompeius Caninus at caninus@...

Facite valeatis!
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95820 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: "Names from the past" (a message from a retired citizen)
A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Lutatio Catulo sal.  

I tried to convey further information about the Sermo courses to you, but received a bounce notice claiming that you do not have an account with the ISP stated (Yahoo).  Will try another means.  

Vale.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95821 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: APB Tribunes
Avete Omnes,

Are the Tribunes of the Plebs around to announce the completed Senate session?

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95822 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: SARMATIA PROV.

Today is a great day in the life of the province of Sarmatia and important day for the Nova Roma. But few people know about this day. Why is that? Because Nova Roma does not see the real world. Nova Roma look at the world through the prism of the Internet, the main list and chatter.

Today was meeting of the Provincial Assembly of Sarmatia. The main issue of the meeting: Province Sarmatia coming out from the Nova Roma. Today Nova Roma could lose one of the largest province. What did the Government of Nova Roma, in order to prevent it? Nothing! Just nothing! Shame on you! You could lose the whole province, and did not do anything! 

Do you know who the hero of this day? His name is Titus Flavius Severus! He is the only one who stood between Nova Roma and leaving the province. He is the only one who defended today Nova Roma. It was not goverment and senate it was just citizen Titus Flavius Severus. Goverment and senate do not care about real world and own sitizens.

Only one magistrate concerned about the fate of Sarmatia. His name is consul Marcus Pompeius Caninus. He was worried about the province, he convinced us he was on our forum. 

No one except Marcus Pompeius Caninus did not help Titus Flavius Severus. Titus Flavius Severus was eloquent, he persuaded the people of the province believe the Nova Roma and remain part of the Nova Roma. His opponents were strong, but he was able to convince us. Titus Flavius Severus is a great leader and a great Roman! New Rome was on the verge of losing the province. Almost no one believed that the province remain part of the New Rome. But he did the impossible, he was able to convince us. Titus Flavius Severus is hero. 

New Rome wake up, real life in the real world!

Ave Titus Flavius Severus! Ave Sarmatia! Ave Marcus Pompeius Caninus!

_____________

Crassus

Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis | Sarmatia

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95823 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salvete to omni, technically, e-NovaRoman-Sarmatiani, salutem plurimam dicit,
Your presence here is appreciated.
I will make effort to learn about Sarmatia online & see its Roman ruins in my copy of J.B. Ward-Perkins Roman Imperial Architecture 1970 (2723auc).
Gratias tibi ago for your passion for Rome, and on behalf of Nova Roma, please accept our apologies for any neglect and or oversight to Sarmatia.
Sincerely,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "kazakow@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Today is a great day in the life of the province of Sarmatia and important day for the Nova Roma. But few people know about this day. Why is that? Because Nova Roma does not see the real world. Nova Roma look at the world through the prism of the Internet, the main list and chatter.
Today was meeting of the Provincial Assembly of Sarmatia. The main issue of the meeting: Province Sarmatia coming out from the Nova Roma. Today Nova Roma could lose one of the largest province. What did the Government of Nova Roma, in order to prevent it? Nothing! Just nothing! Shame on you! You could lose the whole province, and did not do anything! 
Do you know who the hero of this day? His name is Titus Flavius Severus! He is the only one who stood between Nova Roma and leaving the province. He is the only one who defended today Nova Roma. It was not goverment and senate it was just citizen Titus Flavius Severus. Goverment and senate do not care about real world and own sitizens.
Only one magistrate concerned about the fate of Sarmatia. His name is consul Marcus Pompeius Caninus. He was worried about the province, he convinced us he was on our forum. 
No one except Marcus Pompeius Caninus did not help Titus Flavius Severus. Titus Flavius Severus was eloquent, he persuaded the people of the province believe the Nova Roma and remain part of the Nova Roma. His opponents were strong, but he was able to convince us. Titus Flavius Severus is a great leader and a great Roman! New Rome was on the verge of losing the province. Almost no one believed that the province remain part of the New Rome. But he did the impossible, he was able to convince us. Titus Flavius Severus is hero. 
New Rome wake up, real life in the real world!
Ave Titus Flavius Severus! Ave Sarmatia! Ave Marcus Pompeius Caninus!
_____________
Crassus
Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis | Sarmatia
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95824 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Daily Latin comment
A. Liburnius Hadrianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Latinus sermo habet octo partes orationis et nullum articulum.
Quinque sunt declinationes, quattuor coniugationes, tria genera (masculinum, femininum et neutrum) et duo numeri (singularis et pluralis).
Latine, substantiva, adiectiva,pronomina et nonnulli numeri declinantur verbaque coniugantur
Adverbia, praepositiones, interiectiones et coniunctiones nec declinantur neque coniugantur.


Latin has 8 parts of speech and no articles
There are 5 declinations, 4 conjugations, 3 genders (masculine, feminine and neutral)  and two number (singular and plural)
Latin declines substantives, adjectives, pronouns and some numerals et conjugates verbs.
Adverbs, prepositions, interjections and  conjunctions are neither coniugated nor declined.

Google translation:
VIII, non habet partes orationis Latinae articulis Sunt V declinationes, IV coniugationes, III generibus (masculine, femininum neutrum) duo numerus (singularis et pluralis) Latine declines substantiva, adiectiva, et pronomina, quaedam numerals conjugata verbs. Adverbia, praepositiones, coniunctiones et interiectiones neque coniugated nec declinavi ex ea.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95825 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve,

I'm not trying to antagonize you at all, so please don't take this the wrong way. What were the arguments for leaving and the arguments for staying associated with Nova Roma? Sarmatia sounds really interesting, but I wish I had a better view of what you all are doing!

Vale,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95826 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave,

Excuse me?  There were PLENTY of more people involved than just THOSE two people.  You're inability to see the big picture just insulted everyone else who was apart of this.

Secondly, let you guys forget...Sarmatia went dark on us.  We all were still here and it was you guys who disappeared.  I know there were citizens who tried to contact Severus only to receive silence in response.

The failure is on your guys end, not ours.  Personal accountability is something that we all should be familiar with.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95827 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Caninus Musco sal.

I will provide a brief answer for you. Hopefully, I have the correct facts. And, hopefully, one of our fellow citizens from Sarmatia can tell you more. 

Sarmatia is comprised of the countries of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. The province had two cohesive real world communities. A well established community (Municipium Poltava) located in Ukraine was led by some Nova Roman magistrates and priests, most of whom were involved in the Civil War of 2764 and left Nova Roma to form the RPR. They were the larger and more well known group. The other group was formed in Vorkuta, in the Komi Republic, in the arctic bush of Russia at about the time of that Civil War. The citizens in Vorkuta (known as Oppidum Aquilo in Nova Roma) are reenactors who chose to recreate the Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis. They spend quite a bit of money running two educational programs for local schools as well as doing reenactment. They are beginning to form a couple of new communities. For them it is a question of benefit received being part of Nova Roma weighed against the effort and cost. Each of the Sarmatian citizens has to calculate that cost to benefit ratio for themselves. But the group as a whole voted today on whether to maintain ties with Nova Roma. Many of the Oppidum Aquilo citizens want to see Nova Roma be more active offline, doing Roman things and educating the public about ancient Rome. There are more issues but activity and communication would provide some reasons and value for staying in Nova Roma. I am sure many reenactors everywhere would find more benefit and value in Nova Roma if there were more offline, face to face, real world activity. 

Bene vale. 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95828 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: New Civis.
Q.Lutatius Catulus D. Petronii Petri S.P.D
Welcome aboard and I hope your experience in Nova Roma will be great
Vale bene
Catulus



El Domingo 30 de agosto de 2015 22:56, "dusio54@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete Omnes!

My name is Decimus Petronius Petrus. I am of the Plebian order and the Gens: Petronia. I am excited to be a new active/registered Citizen.

Bene vale!



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95829 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Caninus Crasso sal.

Спасибо, друг, за Ваши добрые слова.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95830 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-01
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve,

First of all, let me praise the people of Provincia Sarmatia not only for their decision to remain within our ranks, but for being a wonderful example of what we should all aspire to. Doing things. In the real world. Not just passing laws, or Senatus Consulta, or posting on email lists. I couldn't agree more with the sentiment expressed below, and feel that our government, and our officials, should be doing everything in their power to aid and promote such real-world activities. That's the future of Nova Roma, if it is to have a future. 

Second, let me say that the efforts of Titus Flavius Severus and Marcus Pompeius Caninus are also to be commended (as well as anyone else who spoke up on Nova Roma's behalf when this decision was being undertaken by the citizens of Provincia Sarmatia). Nova Roma still does have great potential, and I'm glad to see some are still willing to speak on its behalf without turning such into some sort of personal aggrandizement.

I, for one, am glad Sarmatia is still with us.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95831 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

ALH:  Latinus sermo habet octo partes orationis et nullum articulum.

ATS:  Rectissimé!  Macte virtúte!  


Quinque sunt declinationes, quattuor coniugationes, tria genera (masculinum, femininum et neutrum) et duo numeri (singularis et pluralis).
Latine, substantiva, adiectiva,pronomina et nonnulli numeri declinantur verbaque coniugantur
Adverbia, praepositiones, interiectiones et coniunctiones nec declinantur neque coniugantur.

ATS:  Iterum macte virtúte!  Bonum est summarium!  Adverbia autem habent gradús, sicut et adjectiva:  positivus, comparativus, et superlativus, sicut 'fortiter,' 'fortius,' 'fortissimé; ' 'bene,' 'melius,' 'optimé,' etc.   Nonnulla vocabula (adverbia et praepositiones) sunt casu accusativo vel ablativo 'congelato' (ut ita dicam), sicut 'viritim,' 'causá,' 'privatim,' 'summatim,' etc.  



Valé, et valéte!  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95832 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve, Musca!

Last time, I cant tell about Sarmatia alot, but now i have infromation.
Sarmatia Prov. it's a biggest region in NR, so for life of Romans in real life we forced to organize local communities.
It's about 3000 km from me to governor Severus.

Current map of region: http://i.imgur.com/MrJYDFu.png

 

Municipalum Poltava is left of NR, about six year ago, after Civil War as Consul Caninus say.
In september-october by efforts of pro-praetore Tiberius Flavius Severus new oppidum Charax (Crimea) will join to Sarmatia Prov.
Currently i'm working for organize the oppidum Chersonesus in my own city. Today I have meeting with historical reenactors, and I will try convince them to join NR.
All another local communities are involved of history reencantment -  Legion (for male) and
for the revival of ancient fashion (for female).
This and that Caninus said currently activities in real life.

For internet life.

We started russian speaking public group of NR in VK social network. It's publicate just a history dates, but in plans few categories: Via Romana ( How to become an a Roman citizen: laws, application to join NR, craft of roman clothing, attributes, taxes), Cursus Deorum (Celebrations and Holidays of Roman Polytheism traditions), Nova Roma Ads ( Senators decisions and law publications)
http://vk.com/sarmatiaprov

Nova Roma Unofficial
As you can see i'm created an taxes form. It's just beginning. In plans create comfortable web platform for Equestrian order. Sarmatia can produce an roman clothes, shoes and accessories using natural materials, as did the ancient Romans. Of course NRU planning to pay 5% taxes to NR treasury, and give ability to sell goods every New Roman citizen. It's big work, but we hope it's for the common good.


We belive what NR can be effective, purposeful and focused for Real Life, not a platform form chatting about Rome series of HBO :)

Valete!

Marcus Flavius Celsus
Sarmatia Prov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95833 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
I do not know how to respond to Yahoo. I want to answer mr.Sulla.
Titus Flavius Severus tried in his speech to present the case so that a lot of people from the goverment of the Nova Roma want us to stay. But we are not fools and blind, we have the brains to understand how it was in reality. None of the officials did nothing. Maybe the government is doing something, but more than talk is not gone. You did not do anything really. I can not see because you do not show us anything. You do not say to their citizens. Let some of us in the government, the Senate, I want to know that you have taken that would prevent our departure.
Titus Flavius Severus IS NOT ALL province. If you can not kontact with him, why you do nothing to kontact with another sarmatians???? We dessapeared??? From where we dessapeared??? From this mail list???? I and we hate this place! You don`t know that??? I can not understand half write he and half is spam! Goverment do not care about us and do nothing. You say we dessapeared, are goverment try kontact us??? If you say "yes", this is bla-bla-bla, goverment can only talk. Five year we have a forum. FIVE YEAR! If you wanted to care about citizens, speak us, there you can kontakt not only Titus Flavius Severus but all province. Five years ago I see on province forum Gnaeus Iulius Caesar praetor, consul Cato. They senators? It looks like goverment, senate did true want kontact us, do not care, do nothing.
Well, take any of us in the Senate, we want to see what you're doing there, are talking about, and you'll know what's going on in our province.
I see what I see, and I do not see you do something. I see Marcus Pompeius Caninus speak with and try to do something, I see Titus Flavius Severus save province, I see Marcus Flavius Celsus, S.M. Paullus worry about to stay in Nova Roma. That is all. From all Nova Roma only thay really do something.
I think you think if not to be in this list - to be not active. But this list is nothing. 
Ask Marcus Pompeius Caninus, Titus Flavius Severus, Marcus Flavius Celsus, S.M. Paullus how make Rome, because they live in real world not in mail list.

_____________

Crassus

Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis | Sarmatia



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95834 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Sorry, I was wrong. Titus Flavius Severus told you name on the meeting, he told good, say you give time for taxes, but Tiberia Slavia Alba told you not good. Think she right, because I not see why I must pay tax for Nova Roma? I pay everu month to province, by this many our oppid-city have rooms, have electricy, we make reconstruction. I try to pay this year, but Titus Flavius Severus we pay wrong. After meeting I do not want to pay at all. I do not understand why I have to pay for Nova Roma, I already pay province. Nova Roma will pay for province bills, for aletricy and other? No. I pay to province because province create Rome. But I see Nova Roma create nothing. If you Sulla who chief of treasury, ok, you can give my money tax two Titus Flavius Severus, I don`t want to pay tax. I think only Titus Flavius Severus want to pay tax. He try to say that Nova Roma need, but we not beliave, I see nothing. We even speak non-pay list. On meeting nobody say want pay tax. Titus Flavius Severus try hard, but we do not want, untill Nova Roma will not do something real, untill we not in goverment and can not rule where Nova Roma spend our money.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95835 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: APB: Aediles Curulis
Salvete,

Will the newly elected aediles curulis please contact me?

I would like to invite them to the Aediles' list, and to discuss with them the plans that had made for the Ludi Romani. These games will be starting in a few days, so their feedback is needed on what they want to carry out and how they would like to distribute responsibility.

Gratias vobis ago.
A. Iulius Paterculus
Aedilis Plebis


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95836 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Salve, A. Iuli Patercule,

We are not yet elected officially, but my email address is this:

whitewolfbde AT gmail DOT com

I am looking forward to work with you!

Vale,
Q. Arrius Nauta
candidate for aedileship

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95837 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve Crasse,

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:44 AM, kazakow@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95838 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salvete,

First of all, Crassus, I would like to ask you to be more restrained.
Прежде всего, Красс, я бы хотел попросить тебя быть сдержаннее.

Secondly, I want to thank you, Ivan, for this review, although it is too impulsive and eloquent.
Во-вторых, я хочу поблагодарить тебя, Иван, за этот обзор, хотя он и чрезмерно импульсивен и красноречив.

The situation was critical. Our meeting was similar to the court. I was a lawyer, and I defended the interests of Nova Roma. However, Nova Roma did not want to defend himself. I got the impression that the Nova Roma did not worry about what's happening.

Provincial Assembly discussed many issues. To sum up all claims to the New Rome, we obtain the following questions:

1. Why did Nova Roma not develop past six years? In the development of the Nova Roma there is only a negative trend.

2. Why did Nova Roma turned into an online community?

3. Why for six years has not done anything significant in the real world?

4. What Nova Roma plans to do in the real world?

5. What is the plan of Nova Roma for the next five years?

6. What can Nova Roma to give for the province, that province can not rich itself?

7. Why did Nova Roma not provide representation in the Senate for one of the biggest provinces. Nova Roma a democratic state, but the vast majority of senators are residents of North America. Why not represented the interests of the Sarmatia in the Senate?

8. Why Nova Roma does not organize a global work in the real world? It is impossible to resurrect Rome without real work uniting all the provinces?

9. Why do we have to pay taxes, if we do not participate in the creation of the budget, we can not direct money to projects, population of province is interesred in.

I do not want to discuss these answers here. I do not need excuses and empty discussion. Nova Roma did nothing to help me answer these questions before the provincial assembly. All I saw on the main list is the empty talk and excuses. I responded to these questions on the Internet. I answered these questions in front of two dozen people. I was ashamed of Nova Roma.

I'm a good lawyer, I spoke many times in court. But I could not give an exhaustive answer to any of these questions. Why is that? Because each of these issues is a consequence of a specific problem that Nova Roma does not want to deal with. Nova Roma does not solve the problem, the Nova Roma turned a blind eye to the problem for many years. Nova Roma pretend that these problems do not exist at all. But while the Nova Roma will not solve these problems, I can not answer the questions of the residents of Sarmatia which they are interested.

The people of the province voted to remain a part of Nova Roma. In fact, this is not the victory of the New Rome, is the recognition of insolvency magistrates and Senate of New Rome. There was no rational argument that could convince people to stay in Nova Roma. I had to get people to believe me, that soon everything will change for the better. Most of those who voted yesterday, are my friends. And I had to ask my friends to vote for the Nova Roma. It was not their own decision, it was my friendly request. That is how I managed to get the majority of votes to keep the province as part of Nova Roma. Therefore, if in the near future nothing will change for the citizens of the province, for them I will be the same as the government -  those who talks a lot but does nothing for the prosperity of Nova Roma in reality.

Thus, none of the above issues are not lost its relevance.

The only ones who really helped me to save province of Sarmatia as a part of the Nova Roma are Caninus and Celsus. I really thank them very much, and I will never forget their help.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus

P.S. I tried hard to convince the provincial assembly to pay taxes to Nova Roma. I tried to convince the citizens of the province to pay taxes for active citizens from the provincial treasury, that would increase the flow of money into the coffers of Nova Roma. But provincial assembly did not satisfy my request. 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95839 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Caninus Vedio sal.

I am also glad Sarmatia is still connected with Nova Roma. I did very little to make that happen. As consul I should have worked harder to make contact when I did not receive any responses to my requests for their annual report. I did offer moral support once Severus and I finally connected. I accepted his report. I registered for an account in the Sarmatian forum and made a few posts in my very limited and poor Russian. Severus did all the work with the help of his friends in the province. 

But the real work must now begin. We must maintain communication and we need to do more offline activities. Sarmatia may still leave at some point if things do not change. But I am hopeful Nova Roma and Sarmatia can work together to make positive changes. That will require each citizen to invest their time and energy to shape Nova Roma. If the citizens of Sarmatia want a voice and representation in the Senate then some of them need to run for office. At least two Sarmatian citizens are qualified for the office of Praetor. Severus has shown he can take action; hopefully, others will act as well. Change requires citizens to take action themselves.

Fac valeas! 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95840 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave Crassus,

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95841 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Official Comitia Centuriata Results
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. Quiritibus s.p.d.

It is my pleasure to announce the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata.

For the office of Consul Sextus Lucilius Tutor was elected with 19 centuries.

Praetor Tutor will be required to step down from his current office and then offer an oath for his new office.

I congratulate Sextus Lucilius Tutor, I welcome him as my colleague and I offer my best wishes for his term in office. 

I also thank all of the citizens who voted in this election. 

The business of the Comitia Centuriata is concluded until the general elections in November 2768 auc.

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus

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Election Results for Comitia Centuriata
Suffect Consul election of August 2768 auc.


Consul

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Century 1, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31

Abstain
Century 3


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95842 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Official Comitia Populi Tributa Results
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. Quiritibus s.p.d.

It is my pleasure to announce the results of the elections in the Comitia Populi Tributa.

For the office of Aedilis Curulis maior Quintus Arrius Nauta was elected with 24 tribes won.

For the office of Aedilis Curulis minor Gaius Decius Laterensis was elected with 5 tribes won.

I congratulate Quintus Arrius Nauta and Gaius Decius Laterensis on their victories and I offer my best wishes for their term in office. 

I also thank all of the citizens who voted in this election. 

The business of the Comitia Populi Tributa is concluded until the general elections in November 2768 auc.

Optime valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus

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Election Results for Comitia Populi Tributa
Suffect Aedilis Curulis election of August 2768 auc.

A total of 29 tribes voted in this election. The results after tie-breaking are as follows:

Aedilis Curulis

Quintus Arrius Nauta
Tribe 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35

Gaius Decius Laterensis
Tribe 1, 3, 5, 21, 30

Notes:
A tribe shown in bold-italic was one as a clear first place victory.
Tribes 1 and 21 voted for only Gaius Decius Laterensis.
Tribes 3, 5, and 30 were first place wins for Gaius Decius Laterensis.
Tribes 7 and 28 were first place wins for Quintus Arrius Nauta.
All other tribes were won by tie-breaker, due to length of citizenship, by Quintus Arrius Nauta.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95843 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salvete,

@Celsus and @Caninus, thank you for the information. I really appreciate it. I think what Sarmatia is doing is really great, despite the fact that we don't necessarily hear about it that often here in NR.

@Sulla - I think the Sarmatians raise good questions, and I don't think attacking them or telling them it's fine for them to leave is really going to help ease any tensions or build on the currently strained relationship.

Sarmatians, you have my support whether you stay or go. i think what you're doing is good for living as modern Romans. I'm going to try following your forum, but I speak no Russian and can only read the bare minimum. I'll try to learn enough to grunt my way to basic communication, but until that point, I'll just lurk to keep up with you.

Valete,
Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95844 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave,

I think my responses are  quite tame considering what they could have been.  They are not going to be held in any different standard than anyone else in  Nova Roma.  Every Senator has paid his or her dues to be in the Senate.  The Citizens of Sarmatia must pay the same dues as every other citizen.  If they don't like it they can they can suck it up.  I never mince words and I wont start now.  

If they want to be in the Senate they need to do what we all have done, contribute to the Res publica, run for office, pay taxes and over time they will be included in the Senate.  Otherwise they will always be outside of the Senate.  It is entirely THEIR CHOICE.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95845 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
I haven't seen anyone asking for special treatment. You go off the deep end at the littlest things.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95846 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Musca,

I suggest you re-read Crassus post.  It is there, plain for all to see.  Perhaps you did not read all of his post.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95847 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Calendar Note
Salvete omnibus in foro!

On this day in 31 BCE, the forces of Octavian defeated the forces of Antony at Actium.  There was no further serious military challenge to the future first emperor of Rome.  While many consider the beginning of the Roman Empire to have started with what is termed "The First Settlement of Augustus" in 27 BCE, September 2nd, because of Actium, may be considered the anniversary of the death of the Republic.

Valete!
Quadratus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95848 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Laterensis Severo omnibusque S.P.D.

On point number 7, you ask why there are no Sarmatians in Senate.  If your citizens want that to change, and to see greater representation in government, then they need to step up and run for office.  Your province is large and successful, and your people should have a voice in NR's government.  Magistrates in Nova Roma have more power to make things happen than individual Senators.  In addition, election as Praetor earns an automatic seat in the Senate.  As you can see, there's already a means in place to get the representation you want and deserve.  All it takes is for people to take up the challenge and stand for office.  I sincerely hope that happens, because a large, active province like Sarmatia should be setting the standard for all to follow, not considering taking their ball and going home.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!



On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 10:33 PM, "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Musca,

I suggest you re-read Crassus post.  It is there, plain for all to see.  Perhaps you did not read all of his post.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 7:30 PM, c.iunius.musca@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95849 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Salve!

I was waiting for the election results to be announced before replying.  Now that things are official, I'm reporting in.  I can be reached at rajuc47 AT yahoo DOT com.

Laterensis



On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:28 AM, "Zoltan Zajonskovsky whitewolfbde@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, A. Iuli Patercule,

We are not yet elected officially, but my email address is this:

whitewolfbde AT gmail DOT com

I am looking forward to work with you!

Vale,
Q. Arrius Nauta
candidate for aedileship

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95850 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: APB: Aediles Curulis
Avete Omnes,

Congrats to everyone on their election!!! May your endeavors be successful!

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95851 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: Calendar Note
Q Caecilius Metellus C Claudio Quadrato s.d.

Salue, Augur.

... et Romae quidem dies fuit ater.

Vale bene!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95852 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-02
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim Sarmatis, S.P.D. 

In order to facilitate a response, I shall copy-paste your letter below.  My Russian is limited to words borrowed into English and a few phrases, but Greek helps with some of the letters which are not present in English.  I sincerely hope that Sarmatia will remain with Nova Roma, but all concerned must understand certain matters.  The world may be coming to an end; I actually agree with Sulla on certain points.  

BTW, the 'spam' one of the citizens mentioned may refer to the ads on the Yahoo web page; those who read the posts in their own mail boxes do not see these.  Only those who read onsite do.  NR is not responsible for presence or content of these ads.  

=====

Salvete,

First of all, Crassus, I would like to ask you to be more restrained.
Прежде всего, Красс, я бы хотел попросить тебя быть сдержаннее.

Secondly, I want to thank you, Ivan, for this review, although it is too impulsive and eloquent.
Во-вторых, я хочу поблагодарить тебя, Иван, за этот обзор, хотя он и чрезмерно импульсивен и красноречив.

The situation was critical. Our meeting was similar to the court. I was a lawyer, and I defended the interests of Nova Roma. However, Nova Roma did not want to defend himself. I got the impression that the Nova Roma did not worry about what's happening.

Provincial Assembly discussed many issues. To sum up all claims to the New Rome, we obtain the following questions:

1. Why did Nova Roma not develop past six years? In the development of the Nova Roma there is only a negative trend.

ATS:  As I am not a magistrate, I cannot fully respond here, but it is worth noting that there have been several mass departures from NR, including one circa 2010.  Many active members left around that time.  There are also many reasons why persons once active become inactive.  Inter alia, one recently passed away.  



2. Why did Nova Roma turned into an online community?

3. Why for six years has not done anything significant in the real world?

4. What Nova Roma plans to do in the real world?

5. What is the plan of Nova Roma for the next five years?

6. What can Nova Roma to give for the province, that province can not rich itself?

7. Why did Nova Roma not provide representation in the Senate for one of the biggest provinces. Nova Roma a democratic state, but the vast majority of senators are residents of North America. Why not represented the interests of the Sarmatia in the Senate?

ATS:  There may be a misunderstanding here.  Unlike the situation in the US, and perhaps in other lands, the NR Senate membership is not allocated geographically.  There is no set requirement for X number of senators to reside in Y territory or forbidding any number from living in a given country / province.  NR Senate membership is, as Censor Sulla pointed out, based on service to Nova Roma.  One must hold offices, typically at least the praetura; in antiquity, the quaestura was required.  Before that, one should serve as scriba / accensus / viator, then work one's way up.  One also has to be a taxpaying citizen to hold any office, even scriba, as well as fulfill other age, citizenship-duration, and prior service requirements.   


8. Why Nova Roma does not organize a global work in the real world? It is impossible to resurrect Rome without real work uniting all the provinces?

ATS:  Well, one must get interested parties who have the time--and a lot of us don't!  Money also helps.  Some who have the time don't have the cash, and vice versa.  These events take many months, even years, of planning.  Rarely can one person do this alone.  



9. Why do we have to pay taxes, if we do not participate in the creation of the budget, we can not direct money to projects, population of province is interesred in.

ATS:  As above, if you wish to hold a magistracy, or even a scribaship, you MUST pay taxes.  Ditto for any religious office.  Most of the rest of us have no say in budget allocations, etc., either.  Some of those are fixed expenses which are legally or technically required.  


I do not want to discuss these answers here. I do not need excuses and empty discussion. Nova Roma did nothing to help me answer these questions before the provincial assembly. All I saw on the main list is the empty talk and excuses. I responded to these questions on the Internet. I answered these questions in front of two dozen people. I was ashamed of Nova Roma.

I'm a good lawyer, I spoke many times in court. But I could not give an exhaustive answer to any of these questions. Why is that? Because each of these issues is a consequence of a specific problem that Nova Roma does not want to deal with. Nova Roma does not solve the problem, the Nova Roma turned a blind eye to the problem for many years. Nova Roma pretend that these problems do not exist at all. But while the Nova Roma will not solve these problems, I can not answer the questions of the residents of Sarmatia which they are interested.

The people of the province voted to remain a part of Nova Roma. In fact, this is not the victory of the New Rome, is the recognition of insolvency magistrates and Senate of New Rome. There was no rational argument that could convince people to stay in Nova Roma. I had to get people to believe me, that soon everything will change for the better. Most of those who voted yesterday, are my friends. And I had to ask my friends to vote for the Nova Roma. It was not their own decision, it was my friendly request. That is how I managed to get the majority of votes to keep the province as part of Nova Roma. Therefore, if in the near future nothing will change for the citizens of the province, for them I will be the same as the government -  those who talks a lot but does nothing for the prosperity of Nova Roma in reality.

Thus, none of the above issues are not lost its relevance.

The only ones who really helped me to save province of Sarmatia as a part of the Nova Roma are Caninus and Celsus. I really thank them very much, and I will never forget their help.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus

P.S. I tried hard to convince the provincial assembly to pay taxes to Nova Roma. I tried to convince the citizens of the province to pay taxes for active citizens from the provincial treasury, that would increase the flow of money into the coffers of Nova Roma. But provincial assembly did not satisfy my request. 

Vale, et valete.  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95853 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Congratulations! (Among other things)

Salve!

I wish to congratulate Consul Sextus Lucilius Tutor on his ascension.  I have no doubt that he will do all he can to drive Nova Roma into the future.  His devotion to this corporation and its mission is undeniable.  

 

Congratulations also to Quintus Arrius Nauta and Gaius Decius Laterensis on their election to the position of Aedilis Curulis!  I haven't at length talked to either, but the fact that they were willing to step forward to fill the void speaks volumes.  


I also want to thank the citizens of Sarmatia for choosing to stay with Nova Roma.  I am among those who hopes to see more activity in Nova Roma beyond just online activities.  Support and directive to the provinces would be wonderful.  Sarmatia is fortunate in the fact that, although you are a sprawling territory, your province still has local representation who knows the province's people and seek to do all they can to improve the territory.  Never doubt that your governor cares about each and every one of you.  

As an aside, on the 26th and 27th this year, Legion XXIV Medi Atlantia (comprised of current and past members of Nova Roma in particular the old territories of Mediatlantica) is attending an event at Fort Mott State Park in New Jersey along with other re-enactment units from other periods of history.  Their commander posted the details here a few days ago and I encourage any who can to attend.  

I plan on wearing a shirt I had created at Vistaprint while playing with a proof of concept idea:

http://mediatlantica.org/media/lp.jpg

Hope to encourage a few people, of the Legion and otherwise, to (re)join Nova Roma,  The shirt should arrive near mid-month, so I'm hoping it looks as good as their prototype image.  I really like how the embroidered logo looks.


At the very least, I'll enjoy seeing the 24th's working catapult.  If we're lucky, a former cast member of Jersey Shore will wander onto it...

Vale,
T. Domitius Draco



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95854 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
A. Liburnius Hadrianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Totae linguae quae ab latino initium ducunt, in lexico latinas formas includunt quamvis in dissimile caso declinentur:
All languages deriving from Latin include in their dictionary words in Latin form albeit conjugated in different cases.

Catalane: cessió,  confusió, etc...
Dacice: anxietate, capacitate, etc... 
Gallice:  célébre, féroce, etc...
Hispanice: cultura, colonia, etc..
Italice: terribile, regina, dormire, etc...
Lusitane: columna, cometa, etc...
Occitane: ruptura, tèrra, etc...

Tertia pars verborum in lexico scripturam communem usque ad quinque sermones condividet .
One third of the words in a dictionary utilizes a spelling common to up to five languages.

Catalane: abolir, ira  etc...
Dacice:  aboli, furie, etc...
Gallice:  abolir, ire, etc...
Italice: abolire, ira etc...
Hispanice: abolir, ira, etc...
Lusitane: abolir, ira, etc...
Occitane: abolir, ira, etc...

Bona verba vobis
AHL






On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 12:28 AM, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

ALH:  Latinus sermo habet octo partes orationis et nullum articulum.

ATS:  Rectissimé!  Macte virtúte!  


Quinque sunt declinationes, quattuor coniugationes, tria genera (masculinum, femininum et neutrum) et duo numeri (singularis et pluralis).
Latine, substantiva, adiectiva,pronomina et nonnulli numeri declinantur verbaque coniugantur
Adverbia, praepositiones, interiectiones et coniunctiones nec declinantur neque coniugantur.

ATS:  Iterum macte virtúte!  Bonum est summarium!  Adverbia autem habent gradús, sicut et adjectiva:  positivus, comparativus, et superlativus, sicut 'fortiter,' 'fortius,' 'fortissimé; ' 'bene,' 'melius,' 'optimé,' etc.   Nonnulla vocabula (adverbia et praepositiones) sunt casu accusativo vel ablativo 'congelato' (ut ita dicam), sicut 'viritim,' 'causá,' 'privatim,' 'summatim,' etc.  



Valé, et valéte!  

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95855 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: Official Comitia Centuriata Results
Salve to the People of Nova Roma,
I thank you all Citizens who gave your vote and trust to me. I will serve you dilegently with humble work. I thank Consul Pompeius Caninus who restored constitutional order and gave two consuls to our Roman republic. This was very right thing to do, and it fell on me to make this decision to make the second consul, so correct republic, or to continue praetor -which I would have liked to do. My resignation was effective on 5:00 am Rome time 10 August. See my resignation message:


Soon I post my oath of office and start work supporting my Colleague Caninus.

Vale and Gratias
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Consul


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95856 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: For the new Aediles
Caninus Laterensi Nautae sal.

A little blast from the past to celebrate your victory in the suffect election:


Bene vale!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95857 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Trademark usage --- was: Congratulations! (Among other things)
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus s.p.d.

I appreciate the efforts of those citizens who take it upon themselves to promote Nova Roma. However, I remind you all that 'Nova Roma' and the emblem are use-protected intellectual property. Permission to use the service mark or trademark are required in advance. If you wish to use the flag or emblem, the letters 'SPQR' within a gold laurel wreath, please contact the Consules prior to use. In addition to the laws of the United States regarding trademarks, Nova Roma has a Senatus Consultum governing the use of the flag and trademark. 

Optime valete! 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95858 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: CONSULAR OATH OF OFFICE

Salve Nova Roma,
I asked Pontifex Cornelius Lentulus to offer in my name the enter to office consular sacrifice. He will do it today

ENGLISH

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of CONSUL to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of CONSUL and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto

LATIN

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor  (Dorry Majzner), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, officio CONSULIS Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, Constitutionem Novae Romae me protecturum et defensurum esse IURO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor officiis muneris CONSULIS me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus CONSULIS una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

CZECH 

Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner) tímto způsobem slavnostně přísahám, e budu podporovat čest Nova Roma a budu vdy jednat v nejlepím zájmu lidu a senátu Nova Roma.

Jako úředník Nova Roma, já Sextus Lucilius Tutor  přísahám, e budu vzdávat poctu bohům a bohyním Řima v mém veřejném ivotě a budu sledovat římské cnosti v mém veřejném i soukromém ivotě.

Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor  přísahám, e budu podporovat a bránit Religio Romana jako státní náboenství Nova Roma a přísahám, e nikdy nezpůsobím nic co by ohrozilo stav státního náboenství.

Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor přísahám, e budu chránit a bránit ústavu Nova Roma.

Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor dále přísahám, e budu plnit závazky a povinnosti úřadu CONSUL nejlepími schopnostmi.

Na mou čest jako občana Nova Roma a v přítonmnosti bohů a bohyň římského
lidu a jejich vůli a laskovosti příjmám pozici CONSUL se vemi právy, výsadami, závazkami a povinnostmí, které jsou s tím spojeny.

HUNGARIAN

Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner), ezennel ünnepélyesen esküszöm, hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, elfogadván consuli hivatalomat esküszöm, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm, hogy a Római  Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm, hogy a Nova Roma Alkotmányát megóvom és megvédelmezem.

Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm továbbá, hogy a consuli hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.

Ezennel tehát nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint a consuli hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt elfogadom.

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
CONSUL

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95859 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Oath of Office - Curule Aedile
ENGLISH
I, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

LATIN
Ego, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker), officio aedilis curulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker), Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Decius Laterensis (Glenn Thacker) officiis muneris aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95860 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Consular ritual on behalf of Sex. Lucilius consul
Cn. Lentulus pontifex, quaestor, in nomine Sex. Lucilii consulis, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.

Upon the request of the new Consul Sex. Lucilius Tutor, I have performed his ritual for entering the office of consulship. The ritual was performed some hours ago, and its text has been this:


Iuppiter Optime Maxime, 
Omnes Di immortales, 
Lares, Manes, Penates 
Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
in nomine Sex. Lucili Tutoris consulis
vos precor quaesoque, Sextusque Lucilius Tutor precatur quaeritque,
uti sitis volentes propitii consuli Sex. Lucilio Tutori,
eum salvum servassitis ex periculis si qua sunt eruntve,
eventusque omnes et consuli Sex. Lucilio Tutori,
et populo Romano Quiritibus, et rei publicae Novae Romanae 
bonos faustosque esse siritis in consulatu suo,
utique sitis volentes propitii Sex. Lucilio Tutori, domo suo et familiae,
aqtue mihi, domo, familiae!

Quarum rerum ergo macte 
hoc thure ommovendo,
hoc vino libando
estote fitote volentes propitii
Sex. Lucilio Tutori consuli,
et mihi, domo, familiae!

[Incense and wine sacrificed.]


Valete, Quirites!
CN. LENTVLVS PONT.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95861 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: CONSULAR OATH OF OFFICE
Cn. Lentulus quaestor Sex. Lucilio consuli illustrissimo s. p. d.

I am proud to congratulate to the first Pannonian consul of Nova Roma, even if not from the same country as me, but from its Czech subdivision, Civitas Boihaemum, it is still a great honor for all Pannonians.

I wish good luck and good health for your work, Consul Sexte Lucili, for the remainder of the year.

I also thank Consul M. Pompeius for holding the elections as he promised: this was indeed the correct thing to do in a Roman res publica.

Vale!



Da: "Sextus Lucilius Tutor lutorianis@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Nova Roma,
I asked Pontifex Cornelius Lentulus to offer in my name the enter to office consular sacrifice. He will do it today
ENGLISH
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of CONSUL to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of CONSUL and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto
LATIN
Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor  (Dorry Majzner), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, officio CONSULIS Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, Constitutionem Novae Romae me protecturum et defensurum esse IURO.
Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor officiis muneris CONSULIS me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus CONSULIS una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
CZECH 
Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner) tímto způsobem slavnostně přísahám, e budu podporovat čest Nova Roma a budu vdy jednat v nejlepím zájmu lidu a senátu Nova Roma.
Jako úředník Nova Roma, já Sextus Lucilius Tutor  přísahám, e budu vzdávat poctu bohům a bohyním Řima v mém veÅ™ejném ivotÄ› a budu sledovat římské cnosti v mém veÅ™ejném i soukromém ivotÄ›.
Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor  přísahám, e budu podporovat a bránit Religio Romana jako státní náboenství Nova Roma a přísahám, e nikdy nezpůsobím nic co by ohrozilo stav státního náboenství.
Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor přísahám, e budu chránit a bránit ústavu Nova Roma.
Já Sextus Lucilius Tutor dále přísahám, e budu plnit závazky a povinnosti úřadu CONSUL nejlepími schopnostmi.
Na mou čest jako občana Nova Roma a v přítonmnosti bohů a bohyň římského
lidu a jejich vůli a laskovosti příjmám pozici CONSUL se vemi právy, výsadami, závazkami a povinnostmí, které jsou s tím spojeny.
HUNGARIAN
Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor (Dorry Majzner), ezennel ünnepélyesen esküszöm, hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.
Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, elfogadván consuli hivatalomat esküszöm, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.
Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm, hogy a Római  Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.
Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm, hogy a Nova Roma Alkotmányát megóvom és megvédelmezem.
Én, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, esküszöm továbbá, hogy a consuli hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.
Ezennel tehát nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint a consuli hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt elfogadom.
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
CONSUL


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95862 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Intention to call the CC to ensemble.

SALVETE!


Pending favorable auspices from augur C. Clausius Quadratus (my thanks for his dedication!), this is to announce my intention to call the Comitia Curiata to ensemble between 7 - 11 September, in order to invest with imperium the new elected magistrates.


VALETE,

Sabinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95863 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Call for candidates for Praetor suffectus
M. Pompeius Caninus cos. quiritibus in foro s.p.d.

Sextus Lucilius Tutor resigned as Praetor maior. He is now my fellow Consul. The lex Minucia eiuratione_magistratum requires a suffect election:

IV.B.ii. Elections shall be held in the appropriate comitia within 45 days of the established vacancy for a suffect magistrate, according to the respective prevailing laws governing these comitia elections.

This is a call for candidates for the open Praetor position, to be elected by the Comitia Centuriata.

Praetor - 1 position
The minimum requirements are:
  • Must be at least 27 years old.
  • Must be an Assiduus/Assidua (Tax Payer).
  • Must have been a citizen of Nova Roma for at least 3 years.
  • Must have previously held one or more of the following positions for at least six months: Tribune of the Plebs, Plebeian Aedile, Curule Aedile, Quaestor, or Senator for 6 months.

Anyone wishing to run for Praetor must send an email to:


with the subject "Praetor Candidate" and with the following information:

- Your Nova Roman name
- Your Nova Roma citizen number
- Your age

The call for candidates is open from today, Thursday, 3 September 2015, to Monday, 14 September 2015. The final list of candidates will be posted in the Main List no later than noon Rome Time on Wednesday, 16 September 2015. The call to order and contio for the Comitia Centuriata will begin at 6:00 AM Rome Time on 16 September 2015. Contio will end at 12:00 PM (noon) Rome Time on 21 September 2015. Voting will begin at 12:00 PM (noon) Rome Time on 21 September 2015 and close at 9:00 PM on 28 September 2015.

Optime valete!


Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Consul Novae Romae





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95864 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.

I`m soory, Titus Flavius Severus, but I have to response. I do not know why do you not response to Sulla. But I must response. He, Sulla, is wrong, but it is not a point, because when he is wrong, he offends not only me but all Sarmatians! He offends us to hide his own mistakenness. I must protect our Sarmatian people if nobody do this! So I do this:

Special for you Sulla:

 Explain to us how we are supposed to do anything when you guys disappeared? Caesar tried to get into contact in 2012 and 2013 - No response. 

 As I wrote before WERE ARE NOT disappeared! I still live in same city and country. As almost every one from Sarmatia. We have PROVINCIAL FORUM. Why did ask me this, do you cannot read? Caesar have account on our forum, how did he try to get into contact??? If he or you try to get into contact, what you need is just to go to forum and write to us. Just ONE message and all province know what you want. That is all! It is funny when man who speak with us before by this forum cannot contact us again by the same way. It is looks like nobody really to contact us.

 When Russia invaded the Ukraine in 2014 our Consul Aeternia also tried to contact you guys....again no response.

 Â«We try, try, try…» I am aedil of oppid. If you wanted contact us, why you did you not contact me, you can look my profile in album civium. Consul can see my mail, but OK, no problem if she do not have access, EVERYBODY can see a link to our forum.

Who gives you right to tell that Russia invaded Ukraine ??? You are the public man, the official of New Rome, how can you say that? It is an insult to my patriotism. Titus Flavius Severus is from Ukraine but even he does not make such reckless statements. Ivan told you that in our community there are difficulties, because our statute mentions New Rome - American entity. And now you did so reckless statements? This is the official position of the Nova Roma???? If so, we Sarmatians have a big problems. You are censor and senator just think before you write something! I think you care only amotions but not about interests of others.

 For all we knew you guys died during the Russian invasion.  So you guys have brains? 

I want to ask you do you have a brain? You are censor and senator, you rule the Nova Roma, but you even do not know geography. How you can manage state if you even do not location of community and provinces??? We live in another side of Russia, we live in the far North! 3000 km from us to Ukraine. I even can not find words to say how I shocked about you knowledge. And how you dare to tell about Russian `invasion` if you do not know where live, where is Russia and Ukraine??? I know Marcus Flavius Celsus form Ukraine, he is new, we have know any problem with each other and do not offends or country on forum. But why do you dare to offend one of countries?

We died during invasion???? How Russia can make invasion into Russia to kill roman citizens who is Russians??? You are kidding? Do you have brain? And after all this you dare to tell me that we disappeared? How we can disappeared if you are even do not know where we are???

Do you know why this happened? Because you look to the real world through the main list, you think we write here – we active, not write – we not active. But you have to understand we focus on real activity in real world, we do not interested in internet activity, because it is nothing.

 I have not seen any proof of that so far.

 Maybe because you see no good as see map of Europe?

According to your words below I need proof about you too.

 So, Sarmatians with brains, why did none of you guys respond to us? Was your internet services severed?

 Who have to contact to clear situation in province? Magistrate have contact to citizens, not citizens to magistrate. You have no respond because we did not receive any question. Why? I told you reason many time before. Just open your eyes and read.

 Let me educate you

 How can you educate somebody if you even do not have enough knowledge to elementary geography.

  I think the Senate should decide to decertify the province of Sarmatia

 You see? Even this you can not to in time. Only talks. Right now I think it was good you decertify Sarmatia. Do you know why? Because in this way I do not speak with you now, and did not heard how you offend Sarmatians, me and my friends. Now I understand that I was wrong to vote for Nova Roma in provincial assembly as Titus Flavius Severus ask.

  What forum?  This is the first I am hearing of it.

 You are censor you have to see the link in profiles of Sarmatians. If you do not see maybe you do your work of censor to edit profiles of citizens no god? Why Marcus Pompeius Caninus find our forum to speak with us, but you cannot find? Maybe you work no god???? Consul found, but censor did not find! This is strange.

 There certainly hasn't been any advertising done on any official fora of Nova Roma

 There is no any lex witch say Sarmatia have to tell you: there is an official forum. Oh, no! Caesar and Cato – magistrate of Nova Rome, they registered on our forum. Maybe you do not contact not only Sarmatia, but another magistrate too? Does it mean you have not only with us, but with even another magistrate???

 Speaking of participating you seem to have a problem with talking?  Why is that?  Everything gets done through talking!   If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?

 To respond to you I spent several hours. It is to much to speak for nothing. But I think you have no any problem, you like to speak but do nothing in real life.

 Why is that?  Everything gets done through talking!   If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?

 Oh, you talking is empty. I already spent several hours for empty talking with you. Today I was going to read book about romans castles but I have to spent this time for you, it is sad.

 You do realize there are laws that limit WHO has access to confidential information, correct? 

 Link to provincial forum is in profile of people of province. You do not need any access to see it. What a problem????

 I am fine with you guys contributing to Nova Roma or leaving Nova Roma!  But you are not going to get anything when you dont contribute.

 Again. What problem to speak about this in time? Do you do something in time at all? If Sarmatians see what you speak about us, we do not believe Titus Flavius Severus and go out from Nova Roma. It is really impossible that high magistrate speak with province in such way.

  If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?

I do not how think all Sarmatians but I can tell you, that we want participate Senate because somebody have to speak about us. Senate rule the Nova Roma. But we not have internet activity so somebody have to speak to senate about what we do and defend our interests. Who defend our interests? Sulla you in Senate how many people in your local community? Do you in local community? There are a lot of people in our province, we do not active in internet, but why because of this so much people do not have a represent in Senate? Because we do not speak with you in mail list? But is question of priority, we focus in real life, focus in internet activity.

For example, remember Corvus form Sarmatia bild Temple , make Sarmatia Days? Where were you? What do you do? You do nothing real. As you do nothing to save province, all dirty work for you do Titus Flavius Severus.

 Again, this is why the Governor of a province is SO IMPORTANT in case you havent caught a clue yet.

 Titus Flavius Severus has not fulfilled its obligations and has not reported to the Senate, so he is not governor now. This is true. But do somebody ask him why did he not reported you? No. Just ask him. But it's true, he did not answer to senate so he ceased to be governor. But I see somebody of government and senators do work no good, so why they still in government or senate?

 You are not better than any of us who are already Senators we all paid our dues - now if you want to be in the Senate so bad - PAY YOUR DUES

Every week I teach children about Roman history, as optio of our legio I teach new comers to work with shield and sword. I always do something to recreate the Rome. I donate the Province, I take part in many festivals. I PAY MY DUES. But do you do something real to bring Rome to life or only tell to another people what they have do?

 shut up

Are you really censor or senator???? Because those are words not of censor or senator. I'm not sure whether you are worthy to hold such high positions.

 I am fine with you guys contributing to Nova Roma or leaving Nova Roma!  But you are not going to get anything when you dont contribute.

 Next week will be meeting of comitia of oppid Aquilo. I will ask comitia to go out from Nova Roma. We are not going to tolerate insults from high magistrate. You're acting improperly. You can not understand a simply thing – if many people say you are wrong, it is mean you are wrong. You only one offend all province. One man offends all province. Who are you? Here a lot of people polite answer our questions and speak with us, but only you offend us. So, it is mean that many people are right, but you are wrong.

 Every Senator has paid his or her dues to be in the Senate.

 I see not all senators pay. So why who not pay is still senator.

 The Citizens of Sarmatia must pay the same dues as every other citizen.

Every week I spend a lot of time for work in reenactment community, every week I make Rome closer to us by teaching children, make cloth. It is not enough? Ok, what do you do better of this?

  I never mince words and I wont start now.  

 You just say, that you can not be true Roman. You broke the Roman virtues. You broke  Auctoritas, Comitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Prudentia, Veritas, Aequitas, Iustitia. After you broke this virtues I do not sure you are CENSOR and senator.

 suck it up

 You broke the Roman virtues. You offended me and all province. Again.

Do you know Sulla, if you really work hours and hours, as you said, for 20 years, so we already speak with you in real roman city in real forum romanum. But I still speak with you by main list. That is mean you not work at all. How your work hours and hours if even website, album civium work no good? Marcus Flavius Celsus worked one day and made payment form, you CFO work hours and hours and you do not make good payment form, I even can not pay tax. What does it mean? It is mean you do not work or work no good.

Look, all another people speak good to us. Maybe we have some problems, but people want to work together. Only you offend us. You can offend us just because you speak with us by main list, by internet. But I want you spoke with us on provincial  meeting. I want to see how you offend us in real world, face to face. I see again only internet talks. You do not even responsible for what you say, because it is only internet talks. Now I see, there is almost nothing real in Nova Roma.

It is funny, by several message you broke everything that Titus Flavius Severus try to save. Before I do not believe to Tiberia Salvia Alba – she is in opposition to New Rome in Sarmatia , but thank you Sulla, you open my eyes for Nova Roma.

One thing. You speak with us like that, because it is internet talking, because everybody brave in internet. I want to see you speak like that to ALL THE PROVINCE like that, it will be funny, i want to see you alone try to say to all the province that we are wrong, but you are right. Really, some citizens of Nova Roma come to Sarmatia, for example from Pannonia, maybe you Sulla come to us, and we can speak about your offends to us in real world, you will be able to tell all you words to citizens of province in real life. Maybe you can feel what felt Titus Flavius Severus, when he defended the Nova Roma. Oh, no, you can not, because Titus Flavius Severus defended the Nova Roma, without offending Sarmatians.

Poor Titus Flavius Severus defending Nova Roma, he defended people like you, who offends Sarmatians. Really poor Titus Flavius Severus. Try better Sulla maybe after several your post Titus Flavius Severus see real face of Nova Roma - your face as I see now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95865 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Certamen Petronianum II
Ten years ago, Nova Roma held a literary competition called the Certamen Petronianum, won by Mr. Kristoffer From with his story "On the Palatine". To celebrate this year's Ludi Plebeii and to honor the much admired Colleen McCullough, who took part in the original competition, I am pleased to announce a second edition of this contest.

From now until the closing of the Ludi Plebeii on November 17th, all are invited to submit their stories, both citizen and non-citizen.

The final judges for this year's contest will be our own citizens Aula Tullia Scholastica and Appia Tullia Hospes.

The Rules
  • The Certamen Petronianum is open to all writers without nationality restrictions. Authors under 18 may participate with the permission of a guardian.
  • Entries for the Certamen Petronianum 2015 must be tales set in ancient Rome, during the Republic.
  • Entries must be written in English, and have a maximum length of 3000 words.


  • The closing date for entries is 17th November 2015.
  • Entrants may submit only one tale, and the entry must be accompanied by a completed entry form.
  • Entries must be submitted in Word, RTF or plain text file. The tale shall contain no pictures.
  • Entries will be judged anonymously.
  • Each tale must be the original work of the author, and must not have been previously published or successfully entered in to other contests.
  • The judges' decision is final, and no correspondence will be entered into.
  • By submitting your story, you give  non-exclusive permission for it to be posted publicly on the Nova Roma website should it be selected as one of the top three stories.
  • Nova Roma will not use your story for any purpose other than the above, and particularly not for sale, without further written permission from you.
  • At no time will you lose access to your own copyright, and you retain the right to post, submit, or publish your story elsewhere as you see fit (although doing so prior to the announcement of the winning stories may result in disqualification).
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95866 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95867 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Caeca your message was blank on my end. 

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95868 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave,

Are you telling us all right here and now that Russia did not Invade the Ukranine?  So, the Crimea is still apart of the Sovereign Territory of the Ukraine in your world? LOL  Ok Comrade Crassus (I wish I could take credit for thinking this name up...but I cannot).

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95869 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
ditto

 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95870 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.

Oh, no!  Ugh, I know what I did …apologies to the list …and I deleted it from Word, too, so I will either have to try to reconstruct it, or decide it’s best floating around in the black hole to which all deleted documents go.

 

C. Maria Caeca, mortified.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95871 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.

Salvete Omnes!  I didn’t delete my Word document!  Bless automatic responses ..I saved it!  So, here is what I attempted to post earlier today, sigh. CMC

 

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

 

First, let me apologize, because this is going to be a long post, but there are several issues I want very much to address.

 

1.  Yes, much of the central community of Nova is virtual.  There are several reasons for this.  We are International, and so we have citizens, including magistrates and senators, from many different countries, and the Internet allows us to communicate quickly and efficiently, and, in fact, it is often the only way we *can* speak with one another in anything approaching “real” time.  In an ideal world, we could all meet face to face, and interact, but none of us are rich enough to travel extensively, nor do most of us have the time necessary for long trips.  This is a fact of life with which we must deal as best we can, in any way we can, so, whether we use mailing lists, forums, or even such platforms as Skype, much of our central life will probably remain virtual for the foreseeable future. 

 

But our virtual life is not, and has never been, our entire life.  Each Provincia can, and some do, have face to face meetings and events.  Granted, some Provinciae are more active than others, sometimes because of geography, sometimes for a variety of other reasons.  It would be heartening to see more Provincial activity, so that NR is truly a 2 tiered entity, one virtual, and one physical, but all connected in various ways.

 

When we speak of contributing to nova Roma as a requirement for Senate membership and other things, we are speaking, primarily of contributions to the Central core of nova Roma.  What citizens do in their Provinces is invaluable, and they receive recognition within the Provincia, and hopefully appreciation and support from citizens and members who live elsewhere, but who well might be inspired by what they do that will help them enrich the activities within their own Provinciae.  However, as invaluable as such local participation is, it is not applicable to positions within the central Government, that represents not just one Provincia, but all of nova Roma, all Provinciae, and even those members and citizens who do not live in one of our Provinciae.  The exception to this rule is Governor of a Provincia, because Governors have Imperium.

 

You speak of teaching children and new legionaries, and I am delighted to read of it, but these things, wonderful as they are, will not count for a seat in the Senate, though they might count in getting you elected as Governor of your Province, which would, if you serve in that position long enough, qualify you for the Senate …but the Senate does not represent the interests of any one Provincia, but the interests of the International organization as a whole.  There might be instances when, under special circumstances, the Senate might do something to help a specific Provincia, but anyone can contact any Senator by simply sending an email through the Album Civium, so any citizen of any Provincia actually *does* have access to Senators and Magistrates.

 

 

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95872 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-03
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Can we please keep the macronational political discussions off the main list? Surely no good can come of it.

Vedius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95873 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Maybe someone fatty think his is special here, but this is delusion.
Maybe someone stop talk about the things in which he is incompetent, insulting dozens of people?
Maybe we have ask him for real thing, if he stopped buying donuts on NR tresury money, and buy normal hosting and registrate it on NR Corp., not to himself?
I think after this situation we can decertify the Sulla as CFO because he is internet troll, not a Roman.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95874 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Adding some interesting screenshots about Novaroma.org domain registrant.

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On Friday, September 4, 2015 10:16 AM, Marcus Flavius Celsus <m.flavius_celsus@... we have ask him for real thing, if he stopped buying donuts on NR tresury money, and buy normal hosting and registrate it on NR Corp., not to himself?
I think after this situation we can decertify the Sulla as CFO because he is internet troll, not a Roman.



On Friday, September 4, 2015 4:28 AM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Can we please keep the macronational political discussions off the main list? Surely no good can come of it.

Vedius

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95875 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave,

The Senate of Nova Roma has been aware of this since my Consulship.  They voted for it!  Before it was registered under Mikko Silipanna who has joined the Sertorians.  I still have access to his account via Dotster.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95876 From: flavius_severus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salvete,

Dear friend, Crassus, if I do not write in the main list, it does not mean that I do not read it. I am very closely watch all the debates and for this as well. Reading this topic, I had the definite impression on some people.

Anyway, I'm not going to interfere in this debate. These empty talk contradict the Roman virtues, which I follow.  I think your discussion with Sulla is counterproductive. I want to advise you, Crassus, to stop this senseless dialogue. 

Instead of having to look at the past, we have to go in the future.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95877 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Laterensis Celso S.P.D.

I'm not sure what purpose you're trying to accomplish by posting that, since it's not exactly a secret.  Not editing out his home address and phone number, however, was in extremely poor taste (not to mention a violation of Nova Roman law).  Also in extremely poor taste is your accusations of embezzlement.  Do you have any evidence to back that up, or were you just throwing that out there to insult Sulla's good name?  If you and Sulla don't get along, that's fine.  You wouldn't be the first to argue with Sulla and you won't be the last.  Unsubstantiated accusations of illegal activity are absolutely over the limit, though.

Di te incolumem custodiant



On Friday, September 4, 2015 3:21 AM, "Marcus Flavius Celsus m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Adding some interesting screenshots about Novaroma.org domain registrant.

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On Friday, September 4, 2015 10:16 AM, Marcus Flavius Celsus <m.flavius_celsus@... we have ask him for real thing, if he stopped buying donuts on NR tresury money, and buy normal hosting and registrate it on NR Corp., not to himself?
I think after this situation we can decertify the Sulla as CFO because he is internet troll, not a Roman.



On Friday, September 4, 2015 4:28 AM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Can we please keep the macronational political discussions off the main list? Surely no good can come of it.

Vedius

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95878 From: Marcus Flavius Celsus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve, Laterence.

First of all - it's be an assumption about spending budget, not statement or accusations (I'm using "maybe" word).
Assumption is based on my proffesional opinion and market research. Price for hight speed full access cloud hosting is for 5 to 10 dollars per month. Currently i supporting project having more then thousand visitors per day, and pricing for it is about 120 usd in year. Have a serious doubts what NR site have more.
Also i
t is not reasonable in terms of the organization's security. Just think what be with NR if the legal holder of domain and hosting once time is he quarreled with the Senate? It's will be end of NR, and no one can do something to back database and site code. Juridically NR has no right to the site.

Second - Senator Sulla recommend me and another ~50 Sarmatian citizen to "shut up" and "suck up". But just I get remark - that this double standards?
We very "pleased" what nobody try to stop Sulla from ruining relationships between NR and Sarmatia - what he was doing  the last two weeks. So mention about "good" name, it's slightly exaggerated.

Third - i not publish an сlassified or publicly unavailable information. Anybody can get it using an whois service.


Vete!




On Friday, September 4, 2015 2:03 PM, "Glenn Thacker rajuc47@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Laterensis Celso S.P.D.

I'm not sure what purpose you're trying to accomplish by posting that, since it's not exactly a secret.  Not editing out his home address and phone number, however, was in extremely poor taste (not to mention a violation of Nova Roman law).  Also in extremely poor taste is your accusations of embezzlement.  Do you have any evidence to back that up, or were you just throwing that out there to insult Sulla's good name?  If you and Sulla don't get along, that's fine.  You wouldn't be the first to argue with Sulla and you won't be the last.  Unsubstantiated accusations of illegal activity are absolutely over the limit, though.

Di te incolumem custodiant



On Friday, September 4, 2015 3:21 AM, "Marcus Flavius Celsus m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Adding some interesting screenshots about Novaroma.org domain registrant.

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On Friday, September 4, 2015 10:16 AM, Marcus Flavius Celsus <m.flavius_celsus@... we have ask him for real thing, if he stopped buying donuts on NR tresury money, and buy normal hosting and registrate it on NR Corp., not to himself?
I think after this situation we can decertify the Sulla as CFO because he is internet troll, not a Roman.



On Friday, September 4, 2015 4:28 AM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Can we please keep the macronational political discussions off the main list? Surely no good can come of it.

Vedius

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com








Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95879 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Laterensis Celso S.P.D.

"First of all - it's be an assumption about spending budget, not statement or accusations (I'm using "maybe" word)."

CDL: Dress it up how you like, there was a clear accusation of wrongdoing.  Accusing Sulla of embezzling funds from the Res Publica is a serious charge, not to be made just because you don't like him.  Present concrete evidence, or retract the statement.

"Assumption is based on my proffesional opinion and market research. Price for hight speed full access cloud hosting is for 5 to 10 dollars per month. Currently i supporting project having more then thousand visitors per day, and pricing for it is about 120 usd in year. Have a serious doubts what NR sitehave more."

CDL: It's been no secret that NR is paying too much for hosting.  That's been an issue for a few years now, and Consul Caninus is in the process of fixing that problem.  We have some issues with older software that makes a migration a bit more complicated than it otherwise should be.  I'm no expert, however, so if you want to know more, ask Caninus.

"Third - i not publish an сlassified or publicly unavailable information. Anybody can get it using an whois service."

CDL: My home phone number might be available in the phone book for anyone to find, but that doesn't mean I want it spray painted on a wall for all to see.  Even if it's not hard to find, reposting someone's personal information is a major no-no, and still a violation of Nova Roman law.

As to the rest, Sulla's a big boy, he can defend himself.  I will say this, though.  Sulla's an ill-tempered, cantankerous fellow who gets into far more arguments than he should, but his dedication to Nova Roma is undeniable.  He's argued with just about everyone at one point in time or another, for reasons good and bad, and nearly all of them got through it without a scratch.  Don't let him get to you.

Politics in NR is a messy business, perhaps messier than it should be.  You're relatively new here, and you're getting a taste of it.  My advice is, if you want to make changes happen, to pick your battles carefully and climb the Cursus Honorum one step at a time, earning your auctoritas as you go.  You can do a lot more with a magistrate's imperium than you can just arguing in an internet forum.

Di te incolumem custodiant!



On Friday, September 4, 2015 9:50 AM, "Marcus Flavius Celsus m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve, Laterence.

First of all - it's be an assumption about spending budget, not statement or accusations (I'm using "maybe" word).
Assumption is based on my proffesional opinion and market research. Price for hight speed full access cloud hosting is for 5 to 10 dollars per month. Currently i supporting project having more then thousand visitors per day, and pricing for it is about 120 usd in year. Have a serious doubts what NR site have more.
Also i
t is not reasonable in terms of the organization's security. Just think what be with NR if the legal holder of domain and hosting once time is he quarreled with the Senate? It's will be end of NR, and no one can do something to back database and site code. Juridically NR has no right to the site.

Second - Senator Sulla recommend me and another ~50 Sarmatian citizen to "shut up" and "suck up". But just I get remark - that this double standards?
We very "pleased" what nobody try to stop Sulla from ruining relationships between NR and Sarmatia - what he was doing  the last two weeks. So mention about "good" name, it's slightly exaggerated.

Third - i not publish an сlassified or publicly unavailable information. Anybody can get it using an whois service.


Vete!




On Friday, September 4, 2015 2:03 PM, "Glenn Thacker rajuc47@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Laterensis Celso S.P.D.

I'm not sure what purpose you're trying to accomplish by posting that, since it's not exactly a secret.  Not editing out his home address and phone number, however, was in extremely poor taste (not to mention a violation of Nova Roman law).  Also in extremely poor taste is your accusations of embezzlement.  Do you have any evidence to back that up, or were you just throwing that out there to insult Sulla's good name?  If you and Sulla don't get along, that's fine.  You wouldn't be the first to argue with Sulla and you won't be the last.  Unsubstantiated accusations of illegal activity are absolutely over the limit, though.

Di te incolumem custodiant



On Friday, September 4, 2015 3:21 AM, "Marcus Flavius Celsus m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Adding some interesting screenshots about Novaroma.org domain registrant.

Screenshot




On Friday, September 4, 2015 10:16 AM, Marcus Flavius Celsus <m.flavius_celsus@... we have ask him for real thing, if he stopped buying donuts on NR tresury money, and buy normal hosting and registrate it on NR Corp., not to himself?
I think after this situation we can decertify the Sulla as CFO because he is internet troll, not a Roman.



On Friday, September 4, 2015 4:28 AM, "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Can we please keep the macronational political discussions off the main list? Surely no good can come of it.

Vedius

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com










Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95880 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.


 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
Caninus Celso et Crasso s.p.d.

Marcus Flavius Celsus: 
You are a good man. I appreciate your dedication to Provincia Sarmatia. 

Quintus Vergilius Crassus:
I like your style. You have a strong spirit. You are also dedicated to Provincia Sarmatia.

However...

Вы не будут уважать Сулла, как человек или римлянина. Это поняли. Но, пожалуйста уважать в должность. Если он оскорбляет нас, мы должны реагировать только с истинными фактами.

Please do speak your mind. Please do keep posting. But let the discussion be more Roman. Let us not attack a censor or other officer with personal statements.

Fac valeas!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95881 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Salve,

As for your second point, please remember that, Senator or no, Sulla does not speak on behalf of Nova Roma. He is well known for his... histrionics... and I think it's plain from the various posts in this thread that far, far more people are happy and excited that Sarmatia is still among us, and at the prospect that not only Sarmatia, but Nova Roma as a whole does seem to be interested in doing more things in the real world, rather than just on the web or email. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95882 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Caesar sal.

Nova Roma has always collectively and individually been interested in doing more things in the "real world". There is nothing new in that. I for one am pleased Sarmatia has a dedicated group of re-enactors who deliver something positive by way of outreach work in schools etc. That is a good thing. I am sure everyone else feels the same way.

Let us be realistic here though. Sarmatia is the exception - not the rule. This is why they stand out. For many provinces it is a hard slog to get a handful of people together in one room, because of many factors. Population density is one. An interest in Roman/classical matters is sadly not prevalent. The higher your population densities the more chance that the amount of such people will be higher. Getting them into NR is an entirely separate struggle. Transportation costs, distance, availability of members to travel and so forth all are additional limiting factors. The bottom line is that duplicating a successful outreach province like Sarmatia isn't as simple as some have portrayed.

Also, we really need to stop denigrating the work and effort that goes on in all its diverse forms on the internet. The latter is the glue that binds us here in Nova Roma together and allows us to function. Without the internet there is a very real chance NR would not have been born, let alone survived. There is nothing second rate about such efforts and this increasing tendency to almost sneer at Nova Roma's existence on-line, and thereby all the efforts many have put in over the years, is not a good or helpful attitude. 

As is usual here people talk about the "government". NR doesn't have a government. The closest we get to that are the consuls, and the senate in voting session. We don't have a public/civil service. Sulla in his CFO role is the closest we have to that. So calls for the non-existent government to explain why more has not been done in "the real world" are misplaced and pointless. The provinces and individuals have to drive such meetings, for they have knowledge of availability of help, transportation, space, etc. If people want more "real life" events then do as many have suggested, and get out there and do it.

Finally on the issue of Sulla and his claimed "histrionics", that was a typical cheap aside, the neo-royal dismissive condemnatory comment that Vedius is infamous for. This from a man who yes we all know founded NR (he obliquely refers to it enough that who could forget that), but has subsequently been out of NR for more years than he has been in it, actively engaged. If Sulla perceives he is being unfairly criticised he will react and no it isn't pretty, but if you don't like the results - don't poke the bear. At least he swats you to your face and not to your back.  

What we got served up on a plate from Sarmatia was itself a "histrionic" attack on NR and its mythical central government, and the work that many have put in here on the maligned internet since 2010. Sulla was right - Sarmatia went dark on us. If they expected the Senate to go cap in hand banging on their door just because of that silence, then clearly they have a misconception of the role of the provinces. The Senate creates, and dissolves, provinces at its pleasure. It is the responsibility of the provinces to report to the Senate, not vice-versa. Sarmatia now is the product of the civil war, when Corvus defected with his cadre of supporters to RPR. Many of those citizens now in Sarmatia had been ignored and treated as second class citizens by Corvus and his people. I know this because the Sarmatians who stayed with NR told me this on their list and in email. Sarmatia has not been historically a stable and happy province. So if Sarmatia now packs its bags and leaves NR, the same thing will happen. Sarmatia will rebuild itself. We will always have a province of Sarmatia, but they, the departed, will not be part of a greater whole that is our res publica. That is their choice. What is counter-productive are the comments from Sarmatians on matters they have no knowledge of, just a parcel of assumptions. 

We can be happy the Sarmatians are back among us, that they have thrived and done what all provinces would love to do and engaged in the "real world", but that does not give them any bargaining power to present a list of expectations. The Senate never has, and never will, react well or in some compliant manner at the point of a resignation threat. 

Optime valete




From: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

As for your second point, please remember that, Senator or no, Sulla does not speak on behalf of Nova Roma. He is well known for his... histrionics... and I think it's plain from the various posts in this thread that far, far more people are happy and excited that Sarmatia is still among us, and at the prospect that not only Sarmatia, but Nova Roma as a whole does seem to be interested in doing more things in the real world, rather than just on the web or email. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
 



On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Marcus Flavius Celsus m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95883 From: Scipio Second Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Re: SARMATIA PROV.
Ave Gentlemen,

The "issue" of Sarmatia is one which appears to need to be addressed.   May I suggest more restrained discourse is more likely to result in a favorable resolution than otherwise?  I take no position on the position of Sarmatia within Nova Roma, nor should I.  Let me merely state that the loss of the province would not be in the best interest of the Province of Sarmatia or Nova Roma.   May I suggest that Sarmatia and its relationship to Nova Roma should be readdressed in a logical, yet polite, factual manner.

As an aside, and it is only an observation, perhaps the discussion of  "real world" international politics is generally outside the parameters of Nova Roma, except insofar as it might affect citizens of Nova Roma and their immediate well-being..

Vale optime,

Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
Legatus pro Praetore, Province of Texia
Legatus Legionis, Legio XIII Gemina         



On Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:01 PM, "kazakow@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
I`m soory, Titus Flavius Severus, but I have to response. I do not know why do you not response to Sulla. But I must response. He, Sulla, is wrong, but it is not a point, because when he is wrong, he offends not only me but all Sarmatians! He offends us to hide his own mistakenness. I must protect our Sarmatian people if nobody do this! So I do this:
Special for you Sulla:
 Explain to us how we are supposed to do anything when you guys disappeared? Caesar tried to get into contact in 2012 and 2013 - No response. 
 As I wrote before WERE ARE NOT disappeared! I still live in same city and country. As almost every one from Sarmatia. We have PROVINCIAL FORUM. Why did ask me this, do you cannot read? Caesar have account on our forum, how did he try to get into contact??? If he or you try to get into contact, what you need is just to go to forum and write to us. Just ONE message and all province know what you want. That is all! It is funny when man who speak with us before by this forum cannot contact us again by the same way. It is looks like nobody really to contact us.
 When Russia invaded the Ukraine in 2014 our Consul Aeternia also tried to contact you guys....again no response.
 Â«We try, try, try…» I am aedil of oppid. If you wanted contact us, why you did you not contact me, you can look my profile in album civium. Consul can see my mail, but OK, no problem if she do not have access, EVERYBODY can see a link to our forum.
Who gives you right to tell that Russia invaded Ukraine ??? You are the public man, the official of New Rome, how can you say that? It is an insult to my patriotism. Titus Flavius Severus is from Ukraine but even he does not make such reckless statements. Ivan told you that in our community there are difficulties, because our statute mentions New Rome - American entity. And now you did so reckless statements? This is the official position of the Nova Roma???? If so, we Sarmatians have a big problems. You are censor and senator just think before you write something! I think you care only amotions but not about interests of others.
 For all we knew you guys died during the Russian invasion.  So you guys have brains? 
I want to ask you do you have a brain? You are censor and senator, you rule the Nova Roma, but you even do not know geography. How you can manage state if you even do not location of community and provinces??? We live in another side of Russia, we live in the far North! 3000 km from us to Ukraine. I even can not find words to say how I shocked about you knowledge. And how you dare to tell about Russian `invasion` if you do not know where live, where is Russia and Ukraine??? I know Marcus Flavius Celsus form Ukraine, he is new, we have know any problem with each other and do not offends or country on forum. But why do you dare to offend one of countries?
We died during invasion???? How Russia can make invasion into Russia to kill roman citizens who is Russians??? You are kidding? Do you have brain? And after all this you dare to tell me that we disappeared? How we can disappeared if you are even do not know where we are???
Do you know why this happened? Because you look to the real world through the main list, you think we write here – we active, not write – we not active. But you have to understand we focus on real activity in real world, we do not interested in internet activity, because it is nothing.
 I have not seen any proof of that so far.
 Maybe because you see no good as see map of Europe?
According to your words below I need proof about you too.
 So, Sarmatians with brains, why did none of you guys respond to us? Was your internet services severed?
 Who have to contact to clear situation in province? Magistrate have contact to citizens, not citizens to magistrate. You have no respond because we did not receive any question. Why? I told you reason many time before. Just open your eyes and read.
 Let me educate you
 How can you educate somebody if you even do not have enough knowledge to elementary geography.
  I think the Senate should decide to decertify the province of Sarmatia
 You see? Even this you can not to in time. Only talks. Right now I think it was good you decertify Sarmatia. Do you know why? Because in this way I do not speak with you now, and did not heard how you offend Sarmatians, me and my friends. Now I understand that I was wrong to vote for Nova Roma in provincial assembly as Titus Flavius Severus ask.
  What forum?  This is the first I am hearing of it.
 You are censor you have to see the link in profiles of Sarmatians. If you do not see maybe you do your work of censor to edit profiles of citizens no god? Why Marcus Pompeius Caninus find our forum to speak with us, but you cannot find? Maybe you work no god???? Consul found, but censor did not find! This is strange.
 There certainly hasn't been any advertising done on any official fora of Nova Roma
 There is no any lex witch say Sarmatia have to tell you: there is an official forum. Oh, no! Caesar and Cato – magistrate of Nova Rome, they registered on our forum. Maybe you do not contact not only Sarmatia, but another magistrate too? Does it mean you have not only with us, but with even another magistrate???
 Speaking of participating you seem to have a problem with talking?  Why is that?  Everything gets done through talking!   If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?
 To respond to you I spent several hours. It is to much to speak for nothing. But I think you have no any problem, you like to speak but do nothing in real life.
 Why is that?  Everything gets done through talking!   If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?
 Oh, you talking is empty. I already spent several hours for empty talking with you. Today I was going to read book about romans castles but I have to spent this time for you, it is sad.
 You do realize there are laws that limit WHO has access to confidential information, correct? 
 Link to provincial forum is in profile of people of province. You do not need any access to see it. What a problem????
 I am fine with you guys contributing to Nova Roma or leaving Nova Roma!  But you are not going to get anything when you dont contribute.
 Again. What problem to speak about this in time? Do you do something in time at all? If Sarmatians see what you speak about us, we do not believe Titus Flavius Severus and go out from Nova Roma. It is really impossible that high magistrate speak with province in such way.
  If you do not like talking how are you going to participate in the Senate, if you were put in the Senate?
I do not how think all Sarmatians but I can tell you, that we want participate Senate because somebody have to speak about us. Senate rule the Nova Roma. But we not have internet activity so somebody have to speak to senate about what we do and defend our interests. Who defend our interests? Sulla you in Senate how many people in your local community? Do you in local community? There are a lot of people in our province, we do not active in internet, but why because of this so much people do not have a represent in Senate? Because we do not speak with you in mail list? But is question of priority, we focus in real life, focus in internet activity.
For example, remember Corvus form Sarmatia bild Temple , make Sarmatia Days? Where were you? What do you do? You do nothing real. As you do nothing to save province, all dirty work for you do Titus Flavius Severus.
 Again, this is why the Governor of a province is SO IMPORTANT in case you havent caught a clue yet.
 Titus Flavius Severus has not fulfilled its obligations and has not reported to the Senate, so he is not governor now. This is true. But do somebody ask him why did he not reported you? No. Just ask him. But it's true, he did not answer to senate so he ceased to be governor. But I see somebody of government and senators do work no good, so why they still in government or senate?
 You are not better than any of us who are already Senators we all paid our dues - now if you want to be in the Senate so bad - PAY YOUR DUES
Every week I teach children about Roman history, as optio of our legio I teach new comers to work with shield and sword. I always do something to recreate the Rome. I donate the Province, I take part in many festivals. I PAY MY DUES. But do you do something real to bring Rome to life or only tell to another people what they have do?
 shut up
Are you really censor or senator???? Because those are words not of censor or senator. I'm not sure whether you are worthy to hold such high positions.
 I am fine with you guys contributing to Nova Roma or leaving Nova Roma!  But you are not going to get anything when you dont contribute.
 Next week will be meeting of comitia of oppid Aquilo. I will ask comitia to go out from Nova Roma. We are not going to tolerate insults from high magistrate. You're acting improperly. You can not understand a simply thing – if many people say you are wrong, it is mean you are wrong. You only one offend all province. One man offends all province. Who are you? Here a lot of people polite answer our questions and speak with us, but only you offend us. So, it is mean that many people are right, but you are wrong.
 Every Senator has paid his or her dues to be in the Senate.
 I see not all senators pay. So why who not pay is still senator.
 The Citizens of Sarmatia must pay the same dues as every other citizen.
Every week I spend a lot of time for work in reenactment community, every week I make Rome closer to us by teaching children, make cloth. It is not enough? Ok, what do you do better of this?
  I never mince words and I wont start now.  
 You just say, that you can not be true Roman. You broke the Roman virtues. You broke  Auctoritas, Comitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Prudentia, Veritas, Aequitas, Iustitia. After you broke this virtues I do not sure you are CENSOR and senator.
 suck it up
 You broke the Roman virtues. You offended me and all province. Again.
Do you know Sulla, if you really work hours and hours, as you said, for 20 years, so we already speak with you in real roman city in real forum romanum. But I still speak with you by main list. That is mean you not work at all. How your work hours and hours if even website, album civium work no good? Marcus Flavius Celsus worked one day and made payment form, you CFO work hours and hours and you do not make good payment form, I even can not pay tax. What does it mean? It is mean you do not work or work no good.
Look, all another people speak good to us. Maybe we have some problems, but people want to work together. Only you offend us. You can offend us just because you speak with us by main list, by internet. But I want you spoke with us on provincial  meeting. I want to see how you offend us in real world, face to face. I see again only internet talks. You do not even responsible for what you say, because it is only internet talks. Now I see, there is almost nothing real in Nova Roma.
It is funny, by several message you broke everything that Titus Flavius Severus try to save. Before I do not believe to Tiberia Salvia Alba – she is in opposition to New Rome in Sarmatia , but thank you Sulla, you open my eyes for Nova Roma.
One thing. You speak with us like that, because it is internet talking, because everybody brave in internet. I want to see you speak like that to ALL THE PROVINCE like that, it will be funny, i want to see you alone try to say to all the province that we are wrong, but you are right. Really, some citizens of Nova Roma come to Sarmatia, for example from Pannonia, maybe you Sulla come to us, and we can speak about your offends to us in real world, you will be able to tell all you words to citizens of province in real life. Maybe you can feel what felt Titus Flavius Severus, when he defended the Nova Roma. Oh, no, you can not, because Titus Flavius Severus defended the Nova Roma, without offending Sarmatians.
Poor Titus Flavius Severus defending Nova Roma, he defended people like you, who offends Sarmatians. Really poor Titus Flavius Severus. Try better Sulla maybe after several your post Titus Flavius Severus see real face of Nova Roma - your face as I see now.
 
 
 
 
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95884 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Report of the August 2015 Senate Session

Publius Porcius Licinus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD

 

 

Senate Voting Results published on 2 September 2015 - a.d. iv Non. Sep. MMDCCLXVIII A.U.C.

 

 

Presiding Magistrate:

Marcus Pompeius Caninus, Consul

 

 

Quorum:

Decius Iunius Palladius is on Leave - his Proxy is assigned to Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

There are 22 voting members of the Senate giving a minimum quorum of 15 voting members. With 22 voting members present the quorum is achieved.

 

SCHEDULE:

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 08 Aug 2015 : Call to order. Debate period commences.

00:00 AM Rome Time (CET) : 14 Aug 2015 : Recess.

00:00 AM Rome Time (CET) : 15 Aug 2015 : Session resumes.

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 16 Aug 2015 : Debate period ends.

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 16 Aug 2015 : Call to vote. Voting period commences.

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 28 Mar 2015 : Voting period ends.

10:00 PM Rome Time (CET) : 31 Aug 2015 : Call to close issued before this time.

 

 

VOTING AGENDA:

Item I – SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE DESIGNATION OF ROMANREPUBLIC.ORG AS A COMPETING ORGANIZATION

Item II – Discussion of Nova Roma website migration (Debate only)

Item III – SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MARCUS POMPEIUS CANINUS AS CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER

Item IV - Approval of travel and expenses for the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to go to the Bank of America branch office in Maryland (Debate only, no vote called)

 

 

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as shown below.

 

 

The following 17 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:

* CAC C. Aemilius Crassus

* PACP P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus

* LCSF L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, Acting Princeps Sen.

* SCVIA Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia

* QFM Q. Fabius Maximus

* CnIC Cn. Iulius Caesar

* DeIPI De. Iunius Palladius Invictus, Princeps Sen.(on leave)

* TIS T. Iulius Sabinus

* ALH A. Liburnius Hadriani

* SLT S. Lucilius Tutor

* CMC C. Maria Caeca

* PoMS Po. Minucia Strabo

* MMA M. Minucius Audens

* MPC M. Pompeius Caninus

* QSP Q. Suetonius Paulinus

* CTVG C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

* CVA C. Vipsanius Agrippa

 

 

The following 5 senators or voting members of the Senate did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on time:

* M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus

* L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur

* C. Marcius Crispus

* C. Petronius Dexter

* P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator

 

 

In the voting results shown below "Uti Rogas" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "Antiquo" is a vote against, and "Abstineo" is an open abstention.

 

 

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==Item I - SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE DESIGNATION OF ROMANREPUBLIC.ORG AS A COMPETING ORGANIZATION ==

 

 

===Proposal===

SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE DESIGNATION OF ROMANREPUBLIC.ORG AS A COMPETING ORGANIZATION

 

The Senate of Nova Roma deems that the organization known and/or operating as the Roman Republic / Res Publica Romana, currently operating at the time of the enactment of this Senatus consultum under the internet domain name of http://romanrepublic.org/ , is a competing organization.

 

 

 ===Results===

 Uti rogas: 16

 Antiquo: 1

 Abstineo: 0

 

 

===Votes and discussions===

* CAC – Uti rogas “There is no doubt that the so called romanrepublic.org is a independent organization although at first was presented as a group of citizens from NR. The all matter is so nontransparent that I see no other option to support the proposed SC. “There is no doubt that the so called romanrepublic.org is a independent organization although at first was presented as a group of citizens from NR. The all matter is so nontransparent that I see no other option to support the proposed SC.

* PACP – Uti rogas

* LCSF – Uti rogas

* SCVIA – Uti rogas

* QFM – Uti rogas “I'm shocked when we get this ‘We are all Romans, can't we all join each other organizations?’  No.  The reason?  Conflict of interest.”

* CnIC – Uti rogas

* DeIPI – Uti rogas

* TIS – Uti rogas

* ALH – Uti rogas

* SLT – Uti rogas

* CMC – Uti rogas

* PoMS – Uti rogas

* MMA – Antiquo  “However, there is much here about someone here about Caecus , a person with whom I am not aquainted.  So, I cannot comment on his desires, and claims.  However, I do know a bit about RPR, as I belong to it.  I have been asked by my good friend to join it and was asked to be a member of the RPR Senate.  However, that could not be done simply because those who say they are my friends in NR threatened me with removal from NR (because it would appear simply based on the hatred directed to this organization) if I accepted the offer of RPR Senate.  So, in order to stay a member of both organizations I have only agreed to be a Militarium Commander f the RPR Militarium for the RPR.”

* MPC – Uti rogas

* QSP – Uti rogas

* CTVG – Uti rogas

* CVA – Uti rogas

 

 

==Item II - Discussion of Nova Roma website migration (Debate only)==

 

 

===Proposal===

We cannot transplant the website directly from Sweden to the USA without assistance from Fredrik. He can provide only limited assistance but it may be enough to get the server moved over the next few weeks. To make sure this is successful, I am looking at a couple of other hosting companies who will provide migration services that GoDaddy is unwilling to provide. 

 

The hosting services with Fredrik expire at the end of August. I ask the CFO to renew the hosting services with Fredrik. This will be the last time we renew with Fredrik. The site will be migrated by the end of the 2015 calendar year.

We cannot transplant the website directly from Sweden to the USA without assistance from Fredrik. He can provide only limited assistance but it may be enough to get the server moved over the next few weeks. To make sure this is successful, I am looking at a couple of other hosting companies who will provide migration services that GoDaddy is unwilling to provide.

 

The hosting services with Fredrik expire at the end of August. I ask the CFO to renew the hosting services with Fredrik. This will be the last time we renew with Fredrik. The site will be migrated by the end of the 2015 calendar year.

 

===No Vote===

 

 

 ==Item III - SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MARCUS POMPEIUS CANINUS AS CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER ==

 

 

 ===Proposal===

SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MARCUS POMPEIUS CANINUS AS CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER

 

The Senate of Nova Roma appoints M. Pompeius Caninus as CIO/MA for a period of 2 years, effective with the passage of this Senatus Consulta. His two year term shall end on 01 September 2017 / Kalendis Septembribus MMDCCLXX A.U.C.

 

 

===Results===

Uti rogas: 16

Antiquo: 0

Abstineo: 1

 

 

 

===Votes and discussions===

* CAC – Uti rogas “The Consul Caninus has been doing a great job as CIO with the limited means at his disposal so I'm very glad he is willing to keep the office.”

* PACP – Uti rogas

* LCSF – Uti rogas

* SCVIA – Uti rogas

* QFM – Uti rogas

* CnIC – Uti rogas

* DeIPI – Uti rogas

* TIS – Uti rogas

* ALH – Uti rogas

* SLT – Uti rogas

* CMC – Uti rogas

* PoMS – Uti rogas

* MMA – Uti rogas

* MPC – Abstineo

* QSP – Uti rogas

* CTVG – Uti rogas

* CVA – Uti rogas

 

 

==Item IV - Approval of travel and expenses for the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to go to the Bank of America branch office in Maryland==

 

 

===Proposal===

Approval of travel and expenses for the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to go to the Bank of America branch office in Maryland. Travel is required in order to transfer the assets from the account Paulinus opened. The bank will require the actions be completed in person by the CFO as an officer of the corporation (Nova Roma, Inc.).

 

A vote was not required on this item, and no vote was called.Approval of travel and expenses for the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to go to the Bank of America branch office in Maryland. Travel is required in order to transfer the assets from the account Paulinus opened. The bank will require the actions be completed in person by the CFO as an officer of the corporation (Nova Roma, Inc.).

 

===No Vote===

 

 

 ===Discussion===

* LCSF – “The items that I would forsee the need for payment would be the following:

 

Airfare, Hotel and Half the meals (I would cover the other half of the meals).  I would pay for transportation this way if I get to meet any other citizens I would bear the costs of that.  I would try to get the least expensive airfare possible and same with the Hotel to minimize costs.  If I am not meeting [more than one person] I would imagine we should be able to get this all resolved within a day or two to give the bank sufficient time for processing. I am very cost conscious and will include any receipts which will be scanned and copies to be posted in the file section of the Senate and the Finance Committee.

 

If anyone has any questions or additional suggestions I would very much appreciate any further input.”

 

 

 

Respectfully,

 

Publius Porcius Licinus

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95885 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-04
Subject: Oath - Aedilis Curulis
Salvete, Novi Romani,

With this oath of office, I start my service as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma. I ask the mighty Gods of Rome to guide me and help me in doing my job for you, Citizens.

I, Quintus Arrius Nauta (Zoltán Zajonskovsky) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Arrius Nauta swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Arrius Nauta swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Arrius Nauta swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Arrius Nauta further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of CONSUL to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of CONSUL and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto

2. Latin version of my oath:

Ego, Quintus Arrius Nauta  (Zoltán Zajonskovsky), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IURO.

Ego, Quintus Arrius Nauta, officio AEDILIS CURULIS Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego,  Quintus Arrius Nauta, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IURO.

Ego,  Quintus Arrius Nauta, Constitutionem Novae Romae me protecturum et defensurum esse IURO.

Ego, Quintus Arrius Nauta officiis muneris AEDILIS CURULIS me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IURO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus AEDILIS CURULIS una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.


3. Hungarian version of my oath:

Én, Quintus Arrius Nauta (Zoltán Zajonskovsky), ezennel ünnepélyesen esküszöm, hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Quintus Arrius Nauta, elfogadván aedilis curulisi hivatalomat esküszöm, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Quintus Arrius Nauta, esküszöm, hogy a Római  Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Quintus Arrius Nauta, esküszöm, hogy a Nova Roma Alkotmányát megóvom és megvédelmezem.

Én, Quintus Arrius Nauta, esküszöm továbbá, hogy az aedilis curulis hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.

Ezennel tehát nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint az aedilis curulis hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt elfogadom.

Valete,

Q. Arrius Nauta
Aedilis Curulis of Nova Roma

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95886 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
There's a Greek Pagan organization, Hellenion ( http://www.hellenion.org ), mostly US-based but with some members in other countries, where there has been talk recently about working with other Pagan organizations on charity work like donations to such organizations as the Malala Fund (to increase women's and girls' literacy), the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, disaster response, and local things like homeless shelters, food drives, and winter coat collections.

Or, we could do it by ourselves, along with other organizations. And maybe publicize it a bit. Not to be real loud about it. But that would let people know about things that we do that are positive.

Maybe that's something else we could do.

Noctua



---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <vedius@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95887 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

They announced a partnership with Roman Republic, which I believe has been declared a competing organization by the Senate of Nova Roma. Do we want to work with Academia Minervalis, also?

Noctua

---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <decimuscurtius@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95888 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Daily Latin comment
Salvete,
Nicaea forma. Multum prodest.
Nice format. Very helpful.
Ut hoc proficit, Ego ut iustusut lucretur fiduciam sumere a septimana est trinus ad Septimana Latina.
As this progresses, I just may gain the confidence to take a week's trip to Setimanae Latinae.
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "Bruno Zani reenbru@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Liburnius Hadrianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Totae linguae quae ab latino initium ducunt, in lexico latinas formas includunt quamvis in dissimile caso declinentur:
All languages deriving from Latin include in their dictionary words in Latin form albeit conjugated in different cases.

Catalane: cessió,  confusió, etc...
Dacice: anxietate, capacitate, etc... 
Gallice:  célébre, féroce, etc...
Hispanice: cultura, colonia, etc..
Italice: terribile, regina, dormire, etc...
Lusitane: columna, cometa, etc...
Occitane: ruptura, tèrra, etc...

Tertia pars verborum in lexico scripturam communem usque ad quinque sermones condividet .
One third of the words in a dictionary utilizes a spelling common to up to five languages.

Catalane: abolir, ira  etc...
Dacice:  aboli, furie, etc...
Gallice:  abolir, ire, etc...
Italice: abolire, ira etc...
Hispanice: abolir, ira, etc...
Lusitane: abolir, ira, etc...
Occitane: abolir, ira, etc...

Bona verba vobis
AHL






On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 12:28 AM, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

ALH:  Latinus sermo habet octo partes orationis et nullum articulum.

ATS:  Rectissimé!  Macte virtúte!  


Quinque sunt declinationes, quattuor coniugationes, tria genera (masculinum, femininum et neutrum) et duo numeri (singularis et pluralis).
Latine, substantiva, adiectiva,pronomina et nonnulli numeri declinantur verbaque coniugantur
Adverbia, praepositiones, interiectiones et coniunctiones nec declinantur neque coniugantur.

ATS:  Iterum macte virtúte!  Bonum est summarium!  Adverbia autem habent gradús, sicut et adjectiva:  positivus, comparativus, et superlativus, sicut 'fortiter,' 'fortius,' 'fortissimé; ' 'bene,' 'melius,' 'optimé,' etc.   Nonnulla vocabula (adverbia et praepositiones) sunt casu accusativo vel ablativo 'congelato' (ut ita dicam), sicut 'viritim,' 'causá,' 'privatim,' 'summatim,' etc.  



Valé, et valéte!  

 




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95889 From: george.lichty Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Academia Minervalis is also part of Roman Republic or one of the other so-called "competing organizations".  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95890 From: Mark Andrew Holmes Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
Oh, well...

Noctua


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95891 From: decimuscurtius Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?

If you visit Academia Minervalis the flag of this "competing organization", the romanrepublic.org is prominently displayed. But wasn't this group originally with Nova Roma? So why did this group leave Nova Roma? 

This is exactly the type of organization Nova Roma should be working to maintain. Education should be one of the things we provide our citizens. Academia Minervalis seemed to be moving in the right direction towards this aim. But now it is gone?  

 

 - DC
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95892 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-05
Subject: CENSORIAL EDICT - REMOVAL OF NOTA
CENSORIAL EDICT - REMOVAL OF NOTA

I. The censorial nota placed upon Aula Tullia Scholastica can be cancelled if she has satisfied the conditions laid out in section 12 of the nota, namely that its removal occur when she has apologized in the manner described in Section VII of the Senatorial reprimand ( http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senatus_consultum_on_Senate_reprimand_of_Aula_Tullia_Scholastica ), and has also addressed her behavior to the collegiate satisfaction of the censors.
 
II. The apology to the Senate has been made and accepted by the consuls and she has addressed her behavior to our satisfaction.

III. Therefore Aula Tullia Scholastica's rights to vote within Nova Roma are fully restored and she is re-admitted to the Senate of Nova Roma under the provisions of section IV.C of the lex Popillia senatoria.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95893 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Official apologies to L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
I, M. Fl. Celsus invented false claims and allegations against L. Cornelius Sulla Felix. I stated he committed acts of fraud and misappropriation of corporate funds, which is untrue. I injured his reputation with these false statements made in a public forum. I also injured the reputation of Nova Roma. I am sorry. I apologize for this behavior. It shall not happen again.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95894 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Official apologies to L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Ave M. Flavius,

Thank you I accept your apology.  

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95895 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Donation for Sarmatia
Avete Omnes,

One of the traditions that Nova Roma has experienced in our past and present is the assistance of one citizen to help another when it comes to paying the tax. Many Nova Romani have been both on the giving and receiving end of this benefit and this tradition continues to this very day.  Most recently example happened this past week.

When the issue of the Sarmatian Tax became public knowledge on the Main List one citizen quietly made a donation and asked it to remain anonymous.  This person also asked for the funds to be applied for the late fees so that it would ease the burden of the Sarmatians to become Assidui.  I, of course immediately complied and did not disclose the donation to anyone.

Today, I have been given the consent to share this information.  On August 30th, Gaia Maria Caeca donated funds to Nova Roma to cover the remaining tax of T. Flavius Severus and the late fees of the Sarmatians that paid the tax.  

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
CFO



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95896 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: EDICT ON APPOINTMENT OF SCRIBE
Avete Omnes,

CENSORIAL EDICT ON APPOINTMENT OF SCRIBE:

Effective immediately, I appoint Marcus Pompeius Caninus as my scribe within the Censura. 

No Oath of office needed.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95897 From: Nero Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: New citizen
Salvete omnes!

I've just became a citizen of Nova Roma! My name is Tiberius Gladius Nero.


Optime vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95898 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen

Salve Nero et Salvete Omnes!

 

Welcome to Nova Roma, Civis!  I hope your stay with us will be valuable and enjoyable, and I hope that you will tell us a bit about yourself.  How did you find us, and what drew you to join us?  What are your interests in the ancient world, especially in Roma Antiqua, and what do you hope to gain from your citizenship here?

 

Again, welcome, and if ever I can be of assistance to you, please just email me!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95899 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve Caeca et Salvete Omnes!

Thank you for the hospitality! Ancient Rome and everything about it got my interest since my very childhood. How I found Nova Roma is a bit interesting. I wondered if there is a community for people like me who wants to learn more about Rome and enjoy the company of other likeminded fellow members. I just did some search and found exactly what I was looking for and even more !

Vale et valete bene!
Ti. Gladius Nero

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"'cmc' c.mariacaeca@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  

Salve Nero et Salvete Omnes!

 

Welcome to Nova Roma, Civis!  I hope your stay with us will be valuable and enjoyable, and I hope that you will tell us a bit about yourself.  How did you find us, and what drew you to join us?  What are your interests in the ancient world, especially in Roma Antiqua, and what do you hope to gain from your citizenship here?

 

Again, welcome, and if ever I can be of assistance to you, please just email me!

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95900 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Ave,

That's excellent!  You might want to review the archives to check out some of the historical Podcast links and other lectures that have been posted in the past.  Some of those podcasts are better than undergrad college lectures.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95901 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve!

Welcome aboard. Lots of things happening, or about to happen. Seems like a great time to come into Nova Roma.

Hope you get everything out of it you hope and expected. 

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95902 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve Nero!

Are you from Turkey? It is great, because I think that we have only a few citizens in this area.

Vale!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor

2015-09-06 23:04 GMT+02:00 Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95903 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Currency Points and the Macellum - Pag
Avete Omnes,

I know it has been a while since we proceeded in this discussion.  Now is the time to continue the discussion on currency points and how they work under the plan.

One things that keeps getting overlooked in the previous discussion is that this is just the road map the vision.  This is a position paper not the legislation.  It is important to keep that in mind and why these discussions are important because what gets discussed will be included when promulgated.

But to have some perspective currently Nova Roma has barely ever had a Macellum.  I think at most we have had 3 vendors and currently we have maybe 1?  If Agrippa still sells those keychains and such (which I actually have one).  The purpose of course is to actually encourage and create an environment where the buying and selling of products and services can be done using both money and Currency points.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95904 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve!

I congratulate you in connection with obtaining the citizenship of New Rome. 

It would be nice if you leave information about yourself this map:

Nova Roma

 


As you can see, you'll be the first person from Turkey, marked on this map. However, I think in Turkey should be a lot of people interested in the history of Ancient Rome. What do you think? In Turkey, many archaeological sites of the period. I have visited some of them.

You also can join Nova Roma on Facebook: Nova Roma

Maybe you are interested in the historical reenactment of Ancient Rome? Or interested in this the subject? We will gladly help you.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95905 From: kazakow Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Hello. This is a very unexpected and pleasant. Thank you Gaia Maria Caeca. Titus Flavius Severus wants to thank you personally, but he has problems with the Yahoo account. If he will not solve the problem, then I, at his request, will publish his words here.
__________________
Crassus
Leg. XI Cl.P.F. | Sarmatia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95906 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen

Salve Nero!

 

You might want to connect with the Governor of your Provincia, (if there is one), find out if there is a Provincial list, and join that, as well.  Also, if you look at our site, you will find several lists that focus on different aspects of Roma and Nova Roma, including a list for the Religio, and lists for some of our special interest groups.  Also, you might like to take a look at our Facebook group and page, and check out our Twitter feed and Pinterest page.  Lots to see!

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca (who didn’t even mention list archives or book lists to be found on the Wiki …)

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95907 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
What a wonderful gesture on the part of Gaia Maria Caeca, so representative of what Nova Roma can be. Thank you, madame.

Vedius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95908 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia

Salve Vedi, et Salvete Omnes!

 

You are welcome, of course, Pater Patriae, but I have always felt, and tried to demonstrate by my conduct, that I am interested in, and care about every citizen in Nova Roma, no matter in which Provincia they live, and no matter whether we agree or differ in political views or views on anything else involving the Res Publica.  Essentially, I just did what comes naturally for me …and asked Sulla to mention it only because I think that our new Sarmatians would benefit from seeing tangible proof that they are welcome here, have advocates, and are considered important.

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95909 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: New citizen
TM.Quadra TG.Nero salutem plurimam dicit ad omnem,
Salve Tiberius Gladius Nero!
Valete,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "Nero gladius.nero@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete omnes!

I've just became a citizen of Nova Roma! My name is Tiberius Gladius Nero.

Optime vale!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95910 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Today in Roman History
September 5th and 6th, the Battle of the Frigidus was fought between the eastern Emperor Theodosius and the western ruler Eugenius in 394 CE.

Because the Western Emperor Eugenius (though nominally Christian) had pagan sympathies, the war assumed religious overtones, with Christianity pitted against the last attempt at a pagan revival. The battle was the last serious attempt to contest the Christianization of the empire; its outcome decided the outcome of Christianity in the western Empire, and the final decline of Greco-Roman polytheism in favor of Christianity over the following century.

The above synopsis, and full details can be found here: 


Vale,

Vedius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95911 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-06
Subject: Re: Today in Roman History
Salvete,
Bene diem. (Nice day.)
Obtuli quibusdam imperatoribus videlicet Caligulae excerpta:
My affection to certain emperors, namely Caligula, excerpts:

My great-grandfather's name was Augustus.
My middle name is Eugene (Eugenius ... I am ... you are).
My nephew's middle name, and I use it, is Justin (Justinian).
Eugenius - last Roman pagan emperor; Justinian - first Christian emperor.
August 31 - Caligula's birthday*; the day I went cold turkey (*before I knew/just now).
January 24, '08 - Caligula's deathday* - the day of my church community's birth.
January 23, '13 - I self-discharged myself from said community bc of an ol'girl.
... exactly, to the day! 5yrs, of what I call the Marine Corps of the Roman Catholic Church, aka the Neocatechumenal.

Haec amem iunctio.
I love these connections.
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
September 5th and 6th, the Battle of the Frigidus was fought between the eastern Emperor Theodosius and the western ruler Eugenius in 394 CE.

Because the Western Emperor Eugenius (though nominally Christian) had pagan sympathies, the war assumed religious overtones, with Christianity pitted against the last attempt at a pagan revival. The battle was the last serious attempt to contest the Christianization of the empire; its outcome decided the outcome of Christianity in the western Empire, and the final decline of Greco-Roman polytheism in favor of Christianity over the following century.

The above synopsis, and full details can be found here: 


Vale,

Vedius


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95912 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata is convened.

SALVETE!

 

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus,  Pontifex Maximus of Nova Roma, receiving favorable auspices call the Comitia Curiata to order.

 

The Comitia Curiata is hereby called to assemble starting with this day, a.d VII Id Sept (7th of Sept 2015) until a.d III Id Sept (11th of Sept 2015), 18.00 Rome time,  in order that the  Lictores and Lictrices of Nova Roma may attest the election of three Curule Magistrates for the year 2768 a.U.c and invest them with imperium,

 

Given under my hand this seventh day of September 2768 a.U.c (AD 2015) in the consulship of M. Pompeio Sex Lucilio cos.

 

VALETE!

Iulius Sabinus


---------------------------------


Note: Text to be used by lictrices and lictores:


I, ..(your full roman name)…, as a Lictor/Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

…(your full roman name)…

Lictor/Lictrix


---------------------------------


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95913 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata page.

SALVETE!


Here is the Comitia Curiata web page with the updated list of lictrices and lictores of Nova Roma:

Comitia curiata (Nova Roma) - NovaRoma


VALETE,

Sabinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95914 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve Nerva!

Apparently I'm the first in my area thank you.

Vale!

Nero 



On Monday, September 7, 2015 12:09 AM, "Tiberius Iulius Nerva tiberius.iulius.nerva@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Nero!

Are you from Turkey? It is great, because I think that we have only a few citizens in this area.

Vale!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor

2015-09-06 23:04 GMT+02:00 Vedius vedius@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95915 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve!

Thank you I've marked my location on the map. It seems to be (or seems to me at least) people who are interested in Rome and it's history are not aware of it.

Vale,
Nero



On Monday, September 7, 2015 12:59 AM, "kazakow@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve!

I congratulate you in connection with obtaining the citizenship of New Rome. 

It would be nice if you leave information about yourself this map:

Nova Roma
 

As you can see, you'll be the first person from Turkey, marked on this map. However, I think in Turkey should be a lot of people interested in the history of Ancient Rome. What do you think? In Turkey, many archaeological sites of the period. I have visited some of them.

You also can join Nova Roma on Facebook: Nova Roma

Maybe you are interested in the historical reenactment of Ancient Rome? Or interested in this the subject? We will gladly help you.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95916 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salvete!
Dear Map Makers,
Non video notae in Guam situm. Numquid pones unum ibi?
I don't see a marker on the Guam location; can you put one there?
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "Tiberius Gladius gladius.nero@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve!

Thank you I've marked my location on the map. It seems to be (or seems to me at least) people who are interested in Rome and it's history are not aware of it.

Vale,
Nero



On Monday, September 7, 2015 12:59 AM, "kazakow@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve!

I congratulate you in connection with obtaining the citizenship of New Rome. 

It would be nice if you leave information about yourself this map:

Nova Roma
 

As you can see, you'll be the first person from Turkey, marked on this map. However, I think in Turkey should be a lot of people interested in the history of Ancient Rome. What do you think? In Turkey, many archaeological sites of the period. I have visited some of them.

You also can join Nova Roma on Facebook: Nova Roma

Maybe you are interested in the historical reenactment of Ancient Rome? Or interested in this the subject? We will gladly help you.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95917 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Comitia Curiata is convened - Attestation of Elections
I, Gaius Claudius Quadratus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:


The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Gaius Claudius Quadratus,

Lictor



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95918 From: Aemilius Crassus Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Witness Statement of Gaius Aemilius Crassus
I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Gaius Aemilius Crassus
Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95919 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve,

@Quadra, there is no any problem, you can make a mark on the map by yourself. This is not difficult. I will help you:
1. The upper part has a panel.
2. Click "Additions" on that panel.
3. Choose "Add Marker - Simple"
4. Fill out the form.
5. That is all.

If there are any problems, just ask, I will be glad to help!

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus    
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95920 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salvete!
Severus, I did it!
Can I edit it?
Valete
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "pro_praetore@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

@Quadra, there is no any problem, you can make a mark on the map by yourself. This is not difficult. I will help you:
1. The upper part has a panel.
2. Click "Additions" on that panel.
3. Choose "Add Marker - Simple"
4. Fill out the form.
5. That is all.

If there are any problems, just ask, I will be glad to help!

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus    
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95921 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve,

@Quadra,  yes, you can. Once you have made a mark on the map, you should get a link (system offers to save it). Following this link, you can edit your mark.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95922 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia
Salve,

С. Maria Caeca, on behalf of the province, I would like to thank you for what you have done. It is a noble gesture on your part. Your action demonstrates your commitment to the Roman virtues. In addition, it is an effective action in the real world, of which I spoke earlier. Sure, your action will serve as a good example.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus

P.S. I would like to express our gratitude to you earlier, but I had problems with the Yahoo account.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95923 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: New citizen
Sorry, I didn't save it. It's asking for the mail keys.
 



From: "pro_praetore@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

@Quadra,  yes, you can. Once you have made a mark on the map, you should get a link (system offers to save it). Following this link, you can edit your mark.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95924 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Magistrates - witness of appointment and investment of imperium
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar

Lictor


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95925 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: Donation for Sarmatia

C. Maria Caeca T. Flavio Severo ProPraetor S. P. D.

 

It is an honor to be of some small assistance to Provincia Sarmatia.

 

Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95926 From: Teleri Date: 2015-09-07
Subject: Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement of Helena Galeria Aurelia
I, Helena Galeria
Aureliana, as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby
witness:

The appointment and
investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as
Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior
and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova
Roma.

As a member of the
Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices
and in their work on behalf of the Religio
Romana.

Helena Galeria
Aureliana

Lictrix




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95927 From: flavia@... Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: testificatio

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 




Ut lictrix curiata Novae Romae, ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, testificor S. Lucilium Tutorem consulem minorem creari et ei imperium majorem commissum esse; Q. Arrium Nautam aedilem curulem majorem C. Decium Laterensem aedilem curulem minorem creari.  


Lictrix Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romaná felicissimé officio munereque suo fungantur.  



I, A. Tullia Scholastica, as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness the election and investment with imperium majus of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as consul minor, the election of Quintus Arrius Nauta as aedilis curulis major and of Gaius Decius Laterensis as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

A. Tullia Scholastica

Lictrix


a.d. VI Id. Sept.


 


 


 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95928 From: Quintus Lutatius Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Interpreters
Q. Lutatius Catulus A. Liburnii Hadriani omnibusque S.P.D.
How I said,I would like to be spanish interpreter, what would I have to do to become one?
Valete
Catulus



El Domingo 30 de agosto de 2015 22:18, "Bruno Zani reenbru@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A.Liburnius Hadrianus Catulo omnibusque S.P.D

Thank you for volunteering. I can now stop being the self appointed interpreter of Spanish, which I can easily ready, but not write. 

Vale et valete,
A.L.H. praetor



On Saturday, August 29, 2015 7:10 PM, "Quintus Lutatius quintuslutatius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salvete omnes!
I'm from Spain and I would like to be spanish interpreter if you need it.
Valete
Quintus Lutatius Catulus



El Sábado 29 de agosto de 2015 21:32, "flavia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flavio Severo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Not sure what you mean by 'banner,' but am delighted to learn of your many linguistic talents!  Comparatively speaking, very few can manage more than one foreign language, although the creator of the Sermo courses, former citizen Avitus, knows 15.  I have had a mere five or so, with some reading knowledge in one or two others. 

 
Indeed, if you can handle Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian, you certainly could be appointed an interpreter for those languages.  

Fac valeas!   






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95929 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Return to Nova Roma

Salve et salvete -


Just a note to say I have paid my taxes and returned as a full citizen of Nova Roma.  There are many here I do not recognize, but I look forward to getting to know you.


To may old friends, AVE!


Vale et valete,


Gaius Popillius Laenas

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95930 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Ave,

 Welcome amice!  Glad you are back! As I said in the BA, Paulinus would be very happy!

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95931 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
I didn't realize I was attaching to an existing thread.  Apologies for any confusion.

Valete,

Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95932 From: Tiberius Iulius Nerva Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Salve Laenas!

What a great news! I am so glad!

Vale bene!

Tiberius Iulius Nerva
Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95933 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
SALVE AMICE!

Welcome! Nice to hear you again.

VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

--------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95934 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Salve!

And welcome back. It's beginning to feel like the good old days, seeing all these old names coming back.

Vale,

Vedius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95935 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Witness Statement
I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment and investment with Imperium of  Sextus Lucilius Tutor as Consul minor, Quintus Arrius Nauta as Aedilis curulis maior and Gaius Decius Laterensis as Aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Lictor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95936 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma

Salve Laenas et Salvete Omnes!

 

Welcome back home, Laenas!  Glad to see you among us again.

 

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95937 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Cn. Lentulus C. Laenati suo s. p. d.

Welcome back to the forum, my dear friend!

Vale!
Cn. Lentulus


Da: "gaiuspopillius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve et salvete -

Just a note to say I have paid my taxes and returned as a full citizen of Nova Roma.  There are many here I do not recognize, but I look forward to getting to know you.

To may old friends, AVE!

Vale et valete,

Gaius Popillius Laenas


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95938 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Valete-

Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95939 From: Dorottya Virág Mák Date: 2015-09-08
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
T. Popillia Laenas C. Popillio Laenati S. P. D.

I join the choir, Cousin, welcome back to public life :)

Vale,
Popillia Laenas 



From: "gaiuspopillius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Valete-

Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

Laenas


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95940 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: New citizen
Salve,

@Quadra, unfortunately, all you can do is make a new mark. The previous mark (wrong) will be deleted by administrator of the map. When you will make a new mark, do not forget to save the link. (=

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95941 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Reborn Discussion - Currency Points and the Macellum -
Salve,

I would like to stress the importance of this topic. The fact that in November and October, some citizens from Sarmatia, including me, are going to open a "shop". In our shop will feature a wide selection of goods, but above all, we're going to specialize in the sale of woolen and linen hand-made cloth. Our cloth are in demand in Russia. So, we would like to offer our products to the citizens of Nova Roma. All cloth manufactured and painted manually, with dyeing natural dyes produced by authentic technologies. Our cloth are ideal for the manufacture of togas, tunics and different cloaks.

Macellum should be open and free platform for trading on the Internet, with an easy, intuitive and functional design.

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95942 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: New citizen
TM.Quadra TF.Severus s.p.d,
I will do so.
In the mean time, can the administrator delete my current mark?

Note to self:
ROMA Tiberius Marcius Quadra
Description Roma in Guam is located where I lay, currently aka Barrigada, and my other villa, still under litigation is in Marsala aka Tumon Bay.
 
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra



From: "pro_praetore@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve,

@Quadra, unfortunately, all you can do is make a new mark. The previous mark (wrong) will be deleted by administrator of the map. When you will make a new mark, do not forget to save the link. (=

Vale,
T. Fl. Severus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95943 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-09
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Prizes: Prizes for the Certamen Petronianum II will be as follows

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Arthur Waite <arthur.f.waite@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95944 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Would you mind if I opened this up to some of my students? We are beginning our Greco-Roman unit in my English class and in their history class.

Cura, ut valeas!
L. Marius Vestinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95945 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
TM.Quadra Scholasticae Hospesae Quadratusae
Salvete,
Are we to write a fiction story or non-fiction story?
Valete,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "MajikPiG majikpig@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Would you mind if I opened this up to some of my students? We are beginning our Greco-Roman unit in my English class and in their history class.

Cura, ut valeas!
L. Marius Vestinus



On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Arthur Waite arthur.f.waite@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95946 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
A. Paterculus L. Marino Vestino s.p.d.
   Yes, please invite your students to participate. The contest is open to all and we would be happy to receive their submissions.
   Please make sure that they are aware of the contest rules, including the requirement for a parent's permission if they are under 18.
   Thank you for spreading the word.
      Vale.
   

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95947 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-10
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
Paterculus Quadrae sal,
  This is a fiction contest. Your story could include actual historical characters or events if you want it to do so, however.
     Vale.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95948 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Qyestion about using of NR symbols.

Salvete omnes!

There is topic "drowned" in mail list (as it be with all another topics), about limits of using NR symbols, because it's a registered Trade Mark e.t.c.

So I have some querstions about this, ask it in public because think not only me interested in this.

1) If i want hang flag of NR on my house, what things i must do? G
et some permission?
2) If i want using flag on meetings of local community ( or local events)

what things i must do?
3) I can craft NR flag on my own, or i must only buy it?
4) If answer on pervious question - "buy" - how i can buy it?

 
And one more related question on NR coins - there i can buy it?

Thank you, for answers!

Valete!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95949 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Salve!

I would also be interested in purchasing an NR flag whenever they are sold again (if they are sold). I'm honestly a little surprised there isn't some site selling NR goodies (Cafepress etc.) considering all you really need for sites like that are images to be used. 

Optime vale!

A. Pompeia Crispa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95950 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Ave,

Caesar is working on the CafePress.  I have seen some of the designs he is working on, they are GREAT! I am hoping he announces soon!

As for flags I am working on them...I am trying to get in touch with Cassius to pay for NR's Order.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95951 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
A. Pompeia Crispa A. Paterculo sal.

For the entry form, the mailing address is our physical mailing address, correct?
Just making sure. 

Optime vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95952 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Salve!

That's great! I can't wait to see them and purchase them!

Vale!

A. Pompeia Crispa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95953 From: Arthur Waite Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: Certamen Petronianum II
A. Paterculus A. Pompeiae Crispae sal.

Correct.

Vale.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95954 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: CERTAMEN PETRONIANUM II - WEBPAGE
Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilicius Quiritibus s. p. d.

Dear fellow citizens, in the name of our aedilis plebis A. Iulius Paterculus, I have made the official webpage of the Certamen Petronianum. It contains all necessary information about the competition, and everything that is needed for any contestant:


This is a fantastic opportunaty, I encourage all of you with a literary vein to participate in the Certamen Petronianum, the greatest contest of Nova Roma.

Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
scriba aedilicius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95955 From: Decimus Sertorius Brutus Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Salvete!

By the way, is there no one selling replicas of roman larariae?


Vale,
D. Sertorius Brutus.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95956 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-11
Subject: Re: I want a NR "SPQR" flag who can help?
Salve,

There was one place selling really nice ones back in the late 90's, but they stopped, alas.

Your best bet right now, short of making one yourself, is here: http://www.sacredsource.com/Penates-Plaque-11-1_2-x-9-3_4/productinfo/R-PEN/#.VfNpufnBzRY

It's a wall plaque, but could be painted up and placed behind a table or pillar to serve as an altar.


Hope that helps.

Vale,

Vedius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95957 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward

Cn. Iulius Caesar et L. Cornelius Sulla Felix sal.

 

Over the preceding weeks the various discussions on various forums on what ails Nova Roma, and what can be done about it, have been wide ranging in scope. We think it is helpful to see the issues and the various solutions, actual or proposed, in the context of a simple timeframe; immediate, short term, medium term and long term.

 

After the tumult, or” Civil War”, of 2010 there were immediate problems to solve, the practicalities of restoring order from the dislocation of those events and their aftermath. Then followed solving the short term issues, many of which I and Sulla addressed in our respective consulships. I have already addressed what I see as the medium term issues in the context of the Nova Roma Reborn discussion paper, and in that I stated:


“We knew once, in a very vague way, where we wanted the road to go, for our Declaration speaks to that. Even over that there is much debate over the validity of the end point of a sovereign state, so there isn’t unity of purpose over the final destination of our journey.”


“In this discussion paper I do not offer an end point to the journey, but I do offer the building blocks, materials and tools necessary to construct the road that Nova Roma must at some point construct and step onto.”

 

Constructing an end point is vital to any journey, and yes some could, and maybe will, argue that we already have enough to deal with and should leave that topic until some undefined future time, but we feel that the sooner we collectively address this, the sooner we can judge whether we are heading in the right direction, or if we are way off course.

 

The Declaration can either be taken literally, in which case we would argue that barring a total collapse of the existing world order, the likelihood of Nova Roma achieving sovereign status in its most absolutist form (land, borders, international recognition, currency system etc.) is about zero, or it can be defined within a context that is achievable and practical. That isn’t to say that the path towards the latter will be any easier or smoother, and certainly not shorter, but it will place the issue of sovereignty into a context that is factual rather than rooted in fantasy.

 

We do recognize that the Declaration is a vision statement, and that its absolutist adherents may take exception to it being labelled as fantasy, and that its literal interpretation has a certain romantic appeal to it, a heroic quest in the making, but we also feel that if Nova Roma is to successfully interact with the wider world, which is we feel necessary for the advancement of the Declaration, we must demonstrate that we have achievable and realistic goals.

 

We could also collectively adopt a path of splendid isolationism, maintaining the “purity” of the literal words of the Declaration, trusting to some unknown, almost “magical”, confluence of events to bring the goal of absolute sovereignty to realisation, but that isn’t a credible plan. Peering across the metaphorical barbed wire, crouched in our trenches, yelling at all the doubters to stay away and imitating the philosophical outlook of the three wise monkeys simply isn’t very wise.

 

Insisting that we can, and worse will, be sovereign is delusional. To argue we “are” sovereign is insanity. To argue that we can be sovereign by in turn providing a definition of sovereignty that is grounded in precedent, has a tangible end point and pursuit of which can enhance our standing in the wider world is we feel a more factual, rational and attractive approach.

 

Ultimately the choice between treading a path of fact or fantasy is a personal one, and we are sure that those of a more puritanical and literalist outlook will detest our approach, but we feel that equally there are many people who will appreciate our proposals as a way to synchronise the words and emotions of the Declaration into a factually based action plan

There also maybe some people who follow the “Rome wasn’t built in a day doctrine” and will apply that to pursuit of an “end point”. Translated that means doing nothing and is a poor excuse for total inaction. Anything that smacks of even remotely taking our community from our current state of existence to a place where something more is demanded from it is viewed with suspicion.

 

For those people who favour inaction, underachieving and mediocre performance by Nova Roma is comfortable, for the demands upon them personally are consequently minimal.  They will say that just existing is enough for now, stumbling along trying to be as Roman as we can in a structure that tries to cram two heads into one hat (corporate and res publica) is quite “ok”. We by contrast say that is “not ok” and that clearly a number of other people who have posted think that isn’t acceptable either. We suspect that most people would agree inaction isn’t acceptable.

 

Accordingly Sulla and I would therefore like to introduce to you our new discussion paper, Nova Roma Onward (link below), which explores long term goals for Nova Roma, delves into the question of sovereignty and its meaning, and provides a high-level action plan for implementation of the Declaration. The proposals in it are entirely synchronous with those in Nova Roma Reborn, and indeed are a logical extension of those concepts.  The end point maybe long term, but the methodology we advocate for getting there is very much grounded in the here and now, and will generate immediate positive returns for Nova Roma.
 
 
Optime valete.
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95958 From: Zoltan Zajonskovsky Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: LUDI ROMANI OPENING
Q. Arrius Nauta aedilis curulis Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

It is my pleasant duty to announce the Ludi Romani starting from today, and held between 12-19 September. There will be lots of various games and events every day from tomorrow, and today is dedicated to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus. My colleague Aedilis Curulus C. Decius Laterensis offers the Opening Ritual to Iuppiter today within a few hours. I call you Citizens to dedicate a prayer today to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, and I invite non-practitioners to dedicate their thoughts to the might of Rome and the greatness of Roman People, embodied as an idea in Iuppiter Optimus Maximus. With the Ludi Romani, we celebrate the greatness of Rome. This is the focus of the day for Nova Romans. I thank for the preparations of this Ludi Romani to Aedilis Plebis A. Iulius Paterculus. We the Aediles Curules have not even been fully invested (waiting for the end of curiate investment), so we needed help in preparation from Aedilis Plebis Paterculus. Thanks to C. Claudius Quadratus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and my colleague C. Decius Laterensis for the preparations.
I declared the LUDI ROMANI OPEN!

Valete,
Quintus Arrius Nauta
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95959 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio - September 2758 a.U.c

T. Iulius Sabinus, Pontifex Maximus et lictrices et lictores salutem omnibus quiritibus plurimam dicunt:

Lex Curiata de imperio - September 2758 a.U.c:

We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, recognize and accept the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata for consul and the election in the Comitia Populi Tributa for the aediles curules.

By this lex de imperio MMDCCLXVII as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio:

"2. IMPERIUM In Nova Roma, we understand Imperium as: A. Having all the rights of potestas, as described below. POTESTAS A. Ius coercendi minor, the power to compel obedience in the name of the state, within the duties of the magistrate. B. Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes. C. Partial iurisdictio, the power to interpret the law within the duties of the magistrate holding the Potestas. D. Ius contionis habendae, the power to hold a contio, including a question in a Comitia already called by a magistrate. The question must be included by the magistrate who called the comitia under the official authority of the magistrate holding the ius contionis habendae. B. Ius agendi cum populo, calling the People to vote in any of their legislative Comitia. C. Ius agendi cum senatu, calling to Senate to vote or placing a proposed senatus consultum on the Senate agenda. D. Ius coercendi maior, the power to compel obedience using major force, on all Nova Roma subjects. In Nova Roma, this explicitly excludes physical force, and includes the force of law. E. Full iurisdictio, the power to interpret the law, on all levels on all Nova Roma subjects."

we confer imperium upon these magistrates :

·         Sextus Lucilius Tutor as consul minor,

·         Quintus Arrius Nauta as aedilis curulis maior.

·         Gaius Decius Laterensis as aedilis curulis minor.

 

Attested by the following lictrices and lictors of Nova Roma:

·         L. Cornelius Felix

·         Helena Galeria Aureliana

·         A. Tullia Scholastica

·         Cn. Iulius Caesar

·         C. Aemilius Crassus

·         C. Claudius Quadratus

 

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

Given under our hands this pr. Id. Sept, M. Pompeio Sex Lucilius cos. MMDCCLXVIII a.U.c ( 12th of Sept  2015)


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95960 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: The CP wishes - Lex Curiata de imperio.
SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma wishes success to all new invested magistrates in performing their duties.
Your investment come in the same very day with the Ludi Romani opening. That makes the ludi opening more festive.

VALETE,
Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95961 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Salvete!

In russian we have phrase: "Who wants - looking for opportunities. Who does not want - is looking for excuses."

With all respect to authors, where is big logical mistake for my point of view. Maybe it's just a difference of views of citizen if USA and citizen of third world country, but your point to "SOVEREIGNTY", and arguments to refuse it, totally illusory and unrealistic, same as you call dreamers of NR State - mental instability persons.


Where is no in this world "totally sovereign" countries - there is big players depended from inside big corporation, and other players - sphere of influence of big players. It's only my opinion, and no sense to discuss this point, even you think it's wrong.

But main here - NOBODY here is not need Global Sovereignty. It's not important at all in personal life, and absolutely not important for purposes written in NR Declaration.

Arguments about "Nobody in Italy isn't give you Rome" - 
do not lend themselves to any criticism, because they do not make sense. For what purpose NR need to get Rome? Just like a historic place?

Maybe it's a the specificity of the American legislation, but for Ukrainian it's looks like authors not live in real world. In Ukraine (and think same Russian Federation) laws where is alot, totally huge, legal methods to get a local autonomy inside macro nation territory. Where is no need to out of Micronation Country to building own "city" with personal declaration, lists of governors, taxes e.t.c.


My father is currently the president of the cooperative country to 30 habitants of village builded in 60 km from city. Habitants has every month membership fee, and can set it, workers to support village, can legulate land and also village have own statute regulating autonomy rules and decision-making mechanisms.


There is no need to "throw people out of the modern cities" as authors of NR Onward invite us to build NR State. All what we need is money to land and building and a group of like-minded people. Nothing else.


And I can say more - here a lot free places for NR cities in area was under the control of Pax Romana.

If you want proofs of it - look Municipalum Poltava in NR Wiki. This laws was used by Marcus Octavius Corvus to build NR city, temple of Jupiter. Not insulting law or macronation habitans. Some of currently romans from Pannonia there here, and i think they agree that it's MORE then "protecting historical places". It's inspires! It's makes us to hope that will be Rome! Our DREAM can come true. This is creating and moving forward, evolution! Not degradation.

Protect of Historical places it's very important. But hope NR Senate not chose this way like
- only correct, and leave space for citizens ready for NR Colonization and hard work of building, not protecting.

Valette!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95962 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
TM.Quadra Caesar Felix et alii salvete,
I skim read the paper. It consists of 32 pages but it seems to be 18 pages repeated twice: no comment cause I am satisfied with NR's status quo.
Regarding dates, e.g. B.C et 753a.u.c., does anyone know how the counting backwards from 1 B.C. came about? I get the A.D. counting forward but not the the B.C. backward counting.
Gratias tibi ago,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


From: "gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Cn. Iulius Caesar et L. Cornelius Sulla Felix sal.
 
Over the preceding weeks the various discussions on various forums on what ails Nova Roma, and what can be done about it, have been wide ranging in scope. We think it is helpful to see the issues and the various solutions, actual or proposed, in the context of a simple timeframe; immediate, short term, medium term and long term.
 
After the tumult, or” Civil War”, of 2010 there were immediate problems to solve, the practicalities of restoring order from the dislocation of those events and their aftermath. Then followed solving the short term issues, many of which I and Sulla addressed in our respective consulships. I have already addressed what I see as the medium term issues in the context of the Nova Roma Reborn discussion paper, and in that I stated:

“We knew once, in a very vague way, where we wanted the road to go, for our Declaration speaks to that. Even over that there is much debate over the validity of the end point of a sovereign state, so there isn’t unity of purpose over the final destination of our journey.”

“In this discussion paper I do not offer an end point to the journey, but I do offer the building blocks, materials and tools necessary to construct the road that Nova Roma must at some point construct and step onto.”
 
Constructing an end point is vital to any journey, and yes some could, and maybe will, argue that we already have enough to deal with and should leave that topic until some undefined future time, but we feel that the sooner we collectively address this, the sooner we can judge whether we are heading in the right direction, or if we are way off course.
 
The Declaration can either be taken literally, in which case we would argue that barring a total collapse of the existing world order, the likelihood of Nova Roma achieving sovereign status in its most absolutist form (land, borders, international recognition, currency system etc.) is about zero, or it can be defined within a context that is achievable and practical. That isn’t to say that the path towards the latter will be any easier or smoother, and certainly not shorter, but it will place the issue of sovereignty into a context that is factual rather than rooted in fantasy.
 
We do recognize that the Declaration is a vision statement, and that its absolutist adherents may take exception to it being labelled as fantasy, and that its literal interpretation has a certain romantic appeal to it, a heroic quest in the making, but we also feel that if Nova Roma is to successfully interact with the wider world, which is we feel necessary for the advancement of the Declaration, we must demonstrate that we have achievable and realistic goals.
 
We could also collectively adopt a path of splendid isolationism, maintaining the “purity” of the literal words of the Declaration, trusting to some unknown, almost “magical”, confluence of events to bring the goal of absolute sovereignty to realisation, but that isn’t a credible plan. Peering across the metaphorical barbed wire, crouched in our trenches, yelling at all the doubters to stay away and imitating the philosophical outlook of the three wise monkeys simply isn’t very wise.
 
Insisting that we can, and worse will, be sovereign is delusional. To argue we “are” sovereign is insanity. To argue that we can be sovereign by in turn providing a definition of sovereignty that is grounded in precedent, has a tangible end point and pursuit of which can enhance our standing in the wider world is we feel a more factual, rational and attractive approach.
 
Ultimately the choice between treading a path of fact or fantasy is a personal one, and we are sure that those of a more puritanical and literalist outlook will detest our approach, but we feel that equally there are many people who will appreciate our proposals as a way to synchronise the words and emotions of the Declaration into a factually based action plan
There also maybe some people who follow the “Rome wasn’t built in a day doctrine” and will apply that to pursuit of an “end point”. Translated that means doing nothing and is a poor excuse for total inaction. Anything that smacks of even remotely taking our community from our current state of existence to a place where something more is demanded from it is viewed with suspicion.
 
For those people who favour inaction, underachieving and mediocre performance by Nova Roma is comfortable, for the demands upon them personally are consequently minimal.  They will say that just existing is enough for now, stumbling along trying to be as Roman as we can in a structure that tries to cram two heads into one hat (corporate and res publica) is quite “ok”. We by contrast say that is “not ok” and that clearly a number of other people who have posted think that isn’t acceptable either. We suspect that most people would agree inaction isn’t acceptable.
 
Accordingly Sulla and I would therefore like to introduce to you our new discussion paper, Nova Roma Onward (link below), which explores long term goals for Nova Roma, delves into the question of sovereignty and its meaning, and provides a high-level action plan for implementation of the Declaration. The proposals in it are entirely synchronous with those in Nova Roma Reborn, and indeed are a logical extension of those concepts.  The end point maybe long term, but the methodology we advocate for getting there is very much grounded in the here and now, and will generate immediate positive returns for Nova Roma.
 
 
Optime valete.
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95963 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Venator - return and update
Salve et Salvete Omnes;

I wanted to let you know that I am indeed still alive.  I know a few of you follow me elsewhere and I thank you for the kind words on my behalf.

I went back and find it has been almost 3 1/2 months since I spoke here.

Long story short.  In March I started to feel ill and went to my doctor.  By the end of April things had progressed to the point that I was hospitalized with painless jaundice.  A procedure was done to try and alleviate the condition, plus a biopsy was performed, findings were that there was a growth in the pancreas, but status was inconclusive.  This stay was 12 days, ending on 4 May.  On 10 May, I re-entered the hospital and the procedure was redone along with another biopsy, as the original shunt failed. The 2nd one worked marvelously well and this stay was only 5 days.  However, this biopsy confirmed a cancerous tumor.  Consults were done and I enter the University of Maryland Medical center on 2 June for surgery, which lasted almost 9 hours total, including 7 hours of excision of tissue and restructuring my innards (pylorus preserving Whipple procedure for those so inclined to investigate).

The tumor had grown some (Stage 1B2 N0 M0 in the confirmatory biopsy and Stage 2B3 NX M0 in the surgical pathology), but the surgeon and pathologist were confident all diseased tissue was removed.

I started chemotherapy on 14 July, 6 weeks out from surgery.  Tuesday will mark 15 weeks out and the beginning of cycle 4 of 9 (2 weeks treatment - 1 week labs).

I am healing well, no residual pain along the incision route. I am able to eat most anything I like and have maintained my weight at what it was the morning of the surgery. On the days I do not work, or have chemo, I walk 1 - 2 miles. 2 weeks ago, I walked 3/4 miles after chemo and before the usual deep fatigue hit. Tiredness and blood counts being off have been the side effects most noticeable.

All in all, I remain confident in my doctors and do believe I have a good chance at an excellent outcome.

I shall spend the next couple of days looking over the back log of messages in my Nova Roma related email accounts to refamiliarize myself.

------------------------------------------------------------
Vale et Valete
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator Piperbarbus
Senator, Lictor, Dominus Sodalis, Poetus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95964 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Celso sal.
 
I think on reading your post (thank you for the time you spent on replying) that we are thinking and writing some of the same things. Let me clarify:
 
1. We (Sulla and I) do not argue for global sovereignty for Nova Roma.
 
2. We believe sovereignty is not an “all or nothing” issue where there has to be an actual country for NR, but instead we think sovereignty can exist for Nova Roma in a different way.
 
3. We are not arguing for people to be thrown out of modern cities.
 
4. We are not inviting people to build a modern state for Nova Roma, like Ukraine, or Italy, or Canada or the USA.
 
5. Our suggestions leave room for everything else, the whole range of activities from building right through to meeting for coffee.
 
Optime vale
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 2:47 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

Salvete!

In russian we have phrase: "Who wants - looking for opportunities. Who does not want - is looking for excuses."

With all respect to authors, where is big logical mistake for my point of view. Maybe it's just a difference of views of citizen if USA and citizen of third world country, but your point to "SOVEREIGNTY", and arguments to refuse it, totally illusory and unrealistic, same as you call dreamers of NR State - mental instability persons.


Where is no in this world "totally sovereign" countries - there is big players depended from inside big corporation, and other players - sphere of influence of big players. It's only my opinion, and no sense to discuss this point, even you think it's wrong.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95965 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - Opening Ritual
C. Decius Laterensis Aedilis Curulis omnibus S.P.D.

Today, in my role as Aedilis Curulis, I performed the ritual to open this year's Ludi Romani.  The ritual below was first used by Pontifex Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, and is used here unchanged.

May the Powerful Iuppiter Father, the Best and Greatest, grant us progress, success and harmony: this is for what all of us shall pray, this is for what you shall to spend at least some minutes of your thoughts during these festive days of the ludi.

Unity and friendship for Nova Roma, unity and concord for Nova Roma.

The opening sacrifice, WITH FULL ENGLISH TRANSLATION:


LUDI ROMANI OPENING RITUAL FOR THE QUIRITIAN PEOPLE OF NOVA ROMA
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------


Favete linguis!

[Take care of your tongues!]


1) PRAEFATIO

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,
by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers so
that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

- I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

[Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,
as by offering to you the incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this sacrificial wine.]

- I poured a libation of wine on the altar.


2) PRECATIO

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
hoc die primo Ludorum Romanorum
te precamur quaesumusque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
semper floreat,
atque pax et concordia,
salus et gloria Novae Romae
omni tempore crescat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, aedilibus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Senatui Novo
Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,
on this first day of the Ludi Romani,
we ask and beseech you so
that you may grant
peace and steadfast concord
to the society of Nova Roma;
so that you may confirm, strengthen and help
the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
and save it from all discord;
so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
may always flourish and prosper;
that peace and concord,
the welfare and glory of Nova Roma
may increase all the time;
and that you allow all events to be good and salutary
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family;
and so that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors, the aediles of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to me, to my household and to my family.]


3) SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis,
uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando,
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, aedilibus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[As I have these words pronounced,
you shall do exactly
what I mean I am saying:
for all these reasons, thou blessed
by offering this libum,
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors, the aediles of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

- Libum, wine and incense were sacrificed.

Ilicet!

[It's permitted to go.]

- End of the ceremony.


4) PIACULUM

Iane,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, 
Iuno, Minerva,
Concordia,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac
caerimonia displicuit,
hoc ture et vino inferio dato veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

[Ianus,
Iuppiter, The Best and Greatest, 
Iuno, Minerva,
Concordia,
All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:
if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
with this incense and sacrificial wine I ask forgiveness
and expiate my fault.]

- I offered incense on the
altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.



IO LUDI ROMANI!

IO LUDI ROMANI!

IO NOVA ROMA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95966 From: a_pompeia_crispa Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
A. Pompeia Crispa Cn. Iulio Caesari omnibusque S.P.D.

I will have to take a look at the paper when I get home from work, but it is something that I want to read.
I agree that inactivity is not acceptable which is why I'm trying to post more within this group (I'm also learning Latin through A. Tullia Scholastica's class. It's great!) to become more familiar with Nova Roma and it's citizens. 

I'm still not entirely comfortable using Yahoo Groups, but I'm getting a little better at it. It was a little intimidating when I first joined.

Curate, ut valeatis!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95967 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Avete onmes;

Ditto. 😀

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95968 From: SP Robinson Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Addendum...the ditto is to welcome Laenus and to say I, too, am back.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95969 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Return to Nova Roma
Welcome back, my friend. It is indeed starting to feel like old times.

Vedius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95970 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - History Contest
In the name of Aedilis Curulis Quintus Arrius Nauta, Salvete!

Here are the rules and procedures for the history contest:

There will be four short sets of questions, worth a total of 40 points, to be posted at 4:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on September 13th, 15th, 17th and 19th.

The questions will be posed in English, but may be answered in any language.

ANSWERS ARE TO BE SENT ONLY TO:  c.claudius.quadratus@...

Anyone who by accident posts answers publicly will be disqualified from winning a prize.

Most of the questions will relate to events that took place during the time of the Republic.  Several questions will be connected historically to the coinage.  One set will have a military theme.

The answers to any set of questions may be submitted until 4:00 p.m. EDT, on September 21, 2015.

One bonus point will be awarded for any set of answers submitted prior to the posting of the subsequent set of questions.  A total of 3 bonus points are available.

PRIZES:  First place - A genuine Roman coin in Extremely Fine condition;  Second place - A genuine Roman coin in Very Fine condition;  Third place - A genuine Roman coin in Fine condition.

Answers will be posted and prize-winners announced as soon as possible after 4:00 p.m. EDT on September 21st.

If you have any questions, please respond to this notice or write to c.claudius.quadratus@...

Good luck to all contestants!

C. Claudius Quadratus, Quaestor
Scriba




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95971 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
http://www.novaroma.org/vici/images/NovaRomaOnward.pdf

Looks all right to me.

Noctua

---In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <gn_iulius_caesar@... sal.

 

Over the preceding weeks the various discussions on various forums on what ails Nova Roma, and what can be done about it, have been wide ranging in scope. We think it is helpful to see the issues and the various solutions, actual or proposed, in the context of a simple timeframe; immediate, short term, medium term and long term.

 

After the tumult, or” Civil War”, of 2010 there were immediate problems to solve, the practicalities of restoring order from the dislocation of those events and their aftermath. Then followed solving the short term issues, many of which I and Sulla addressed in our respective consulships. I have already addressed what I see as the medium term issues in the context of the Nova Roma Reborn discussion paper, and in that I stated:


“We knew once, in a very vague way, where we wanted the road to go, for our Declaration speaks to that. Even over that there is much debate over the validity of the end point of a sovereign state, so there isn’t unity of purpose over the final destination of our journey.”


“In this discussion paper I do not offer an end point to the journey, but I do offer the building blocks, materials and tools necessary to construct the road that Nova Roma must at some point construct and step onto.”

 

Constructing an end point is vital to any journey, and yes some could, and maybe will, argue that we already have enough to deal with and should leave that topic until some undefined future time, but we feel that the sooner we collectively address this, the sooner we can judge whether we are heading in the right direction, or if we are way off course.

 

The Declaration can either be taken literally, in which case we would argue that barring a total collapse of the existing world order, the likelihood of Nova Roma achieving sovereign status in its most absolutist form (land, borders, international recognition, currency system etc.) is about zero, or it can be defined within a context that is achievable and practical. That isn’t to say that the path towards the latter will be any easier or smoother, and certainly not shorter, but it will place the issue of sovereignty into a context that is factual rather than rooted in fantasy.

 

We do recognize that the Declaration is a vision statement, and that its absolutist adherents may take exception to it being labelled as fantasy, and that its literal interpretation has a certain romantic appeal to it, a heroic quest in the making, but we also feel that if Nova Roma is to successfully interact with the wider world, which is we feel necessary for the advancement of the Declaration, we must demonstrate that we have achievable and realistic goals.

 

We could also collectively adopt a path of splendid isolationism, maintaining the “purity” of the literal words of the Declaration, trusting to some unknown, almost “magical”, confluence of events to bring the goal of absolute sovereignty to realisation, but that isn’t a credible plan. Peering across the metaphorical barbed wire, crouched in our trenches, yelling at all the doubters to stay away and imitating the philosophical outlook of the three wise monkeys simply isn’t very wise.

 

Insisting that we can, and worse will, be sovereign is delusional. To argue we “are” sovereign is insanity. To argue that we can be sovereign by in turn providing a definition of sovereignty that is grounded in precedent, has a tangible end point and pursuit of which can enhance our standing in the wider world is we feel a more factual, rational and attractive approach.

 

Ultimately the choice between treading a path of fact or fantasy is a personal one, and we are sure that those of a more puritanical and literalist outlook will detest our approach, but we feel that equally there are many people who will appreciate our proposals as a way to synchronise the words and emotions of the Declaration into a factually based action plan

There also maybe some people who follow the “Rome wasn’t built in a day doctrine” and will apply that to pursuit of an “end point”. Translated that means doing nothing and is a poor excuse for total inaction. Anything that smacks of even remotely taking our community from our current state of existence to a place where something more is demanded from it is viewed with suspicion.

 

For those people who favour inaction, underachieving and mediocre performance by Nova Roma is comfortable, for the demands upon them personally are consequently minimal.  They will say that just existing is enough for now, stumbling along trying to be as Roman as we can in a structure that tries to cram two heads into one hat (corporate and res publica) is quite “ok”. We by contrast say that is “not ok” and that clearly a number of other people who have posted think that isn’t acceptable either. We suspect that most people would agree inaction isn’t acceptable.

 

Accordingly Sulla and I would therefore like to introduce to you our new discussion paper, Nova Roma Onward (link below), which explores long term goals for Nova Roma, delves into the question of sovereignty and its meaning, and provides a high-level action plan for implementation of the Declaration. The proposals in it are entirely synchronous with those in Nova Roma Reborn, and indeed are a logical extension of those concepts.  The end point maybe long term, but the methodology we advocate for getting there is very much grounded in the here and now, and will generate immediate positive returns for Nova Roma.
 
 
Optime valete.
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95972 From: alectocles Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?



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a.d. XIII Kal. Sep. MMDCCLXVIII a.u.c. (08/20/2015)

Today the Academia Minervalis formed an official partnership with the Roman Republic. The Academia holds similar goals and objectives as the Roman Republic. We believe that our mutual mission of ancient Roman cultural advancement and restoration can be best achieved together in partnership.However, the Academia Minervalis cannot achieve these objectives without knowledgeable instructors and keen volunteers."


[end quote]

[begin quote]

"But wasn't this group originally with Nova Roma? So why did this group leave Nova Roma?

This is exactly the type of organization Nova Roma should be working to maintain. Education should be one of the things we provide our citizens. Academia Minervalis seemed to be moving in the right direction towards this aim. But now it is gone?" 

 

 - DC

[end quote]

Good point, I think.

Noctua
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95973 From: Tiberius Gladius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Taxes and Marketing - What are we Marketing?
I concur. Also I believe Nova Roma needs a bit reorganizing. Strengthening it's web platform also. I would happily volunteer to participate(I have some experience in web designing and had the opportunity to work in forums in the past.) if there will be a ''renewal''.  


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a.d. XIII Kal. Sep. MMDCCLXVIII a.u.c. (08/20/2015)
Today the Academia Minervalis formed an official partnership with the Roman Republic. The Academia holds similar goals and objectives as the Roman Republic. We believe that our mutual mission of ancient Roman cultural advancement and restoration can be best achieved together in partnership.However, the Academia Minervalis cannot achieve these objectives without knowledgeable instructors and keen volunteers."

[end quote]

[begin quote]

"But wasn't this group originally with Nova Roma? So why did this group leave Nova Roma?

This is exactly the type of organization Nova Roma should be working to maintain. Education should be one of the things we provide our citizens. Academia Minervalis seemed to be moving in the right direction towards this aim. But now it is gone?" 

 
 - DC

[end quote]

Good point, I think.

Noctua
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95974 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Salve, Caesari.

Sorry if I expressed not clear enough. I will try to use parts of «NR Onward» to make clear my positions and thoughts to everyone.

In text of «NR Onward», you and Sulla spent a a large amount of words to prove that NR "sovereignity" is not in the plane of political independence - "The reality is, as far as we can see, that Nova Roma will never be sovereign in the sense that nations are." p. 12
"These of course are heady and dramatic claims. A reasonable person, grounded in reality, understands that especially in the post 9/11 world, nation states are deeply suspicious of (and rightly so) and
openly hostile to, secessionist movements, or non - state actors such as ISIS. This is also a reason we need to clarify Nova Roma's concept of what form sovereignty would take." p. 4
But in fact - there is no need in "political sovereignty" (as i call "global sovereignty" in my previous post),
for a "nation" because citizen can get local sovereignty whats really meets to all requirements for building Roman Society (Culture and Architecture, mechanisms of ruling e.t.c.). Ways (worked for Ukraine) where described too.

"We are not inviting people to build a modern state for Nova Roma, like Ukraine, or Italy, or Canada or the USA."

Of course you do not invite (about this all NR Onward document), and it frustrates me.
How can you say that Nova Roma can't build their own state, even if you actually did try to implement this plan. Seriously Nova Roma for 17 years even did not make any adequate plan or sketch of plan in this way. You wrote a big article about why it's impossible, but why you haven't wrote a large and detailed plan for the implementation of ideas of the Roman state in practice. If You don't like the idea of the creation of the Roman state, it does not mean that the idea is not viable. The first step to its implementation - creating a real settlement with the rights of local self-government. We live in the 21st century, now almost everything is possible, particularly with regard to political realities. If Nova Roma is not moved in 17 years in the creation of the Roman State, this does not mean that the idea cannot be implemented. It just means that Nova Roma did not really tried to create the Roman State.

As I think a lot of people came to NR for "Roman Dream".
Dream about City builded in Roman Architecture, and citizen lived in Roman way, under the eyes of Roman Law and political system. And will pray for Roman Gods, blessing them. Build roman roads. Grow vine and olives. Training men as legionnaires. Children plays as Heracles and Caesar, not as Avengers. Perhaps it's sounds insane, but I know there are other people in Sarmatia and Pannonia interested in this. Interested in "Roman Dream" like me. And this is purpose why personally me, come to NR. It's what NR Declaration is promised to me. And it is correct interpretation of NR Declaration, and it's was giving hope.
Long term "target" must have final point. Otherwise, it is useless, and inspiring "get to the final point"

And here we have NR Onward - with "long term" targets for NR is "protect historical heritage" - endless occupation. Protection of historical heritage is a duty of macronatioanal states which have necessary means and resources. Why are You sure that the Nova Roma will cope with this task better than macronational States and influential international organizations?

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95975 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Celso sal.

I think we are both managing to communicate fairly well

The reason why Sulla and I, along with others, don’t see the creation of a Nova Roman state in an absolutist form – land, boundaries, currency and recognition by the international community – as realistic is that the world is far more negatively reactive to what in many governments would be seen as secession. That applies I think as much in the USA, Western Europe and certainly Eastern Europe. Now can I say for sure that it cannot happen? No. Can you say for sure that it will? No. Therefore what we collectively have to decide is on the balance of probability is it likely that an American president, or a Russian one, (for example – it could be any country) would ever consent to a section of their country’s sovereign territory devolving to the control of a Nova Roman state, which by definition would not owe allegiance to the host country (USA or Russia in this example), but to itself – to Nova Roma only? I believe, based on past events, that the chance of that happening is absolutely zero. The US and Russia very nearly went to war in the Cuban missile crisis over claims of in whose sphere of influence Cuba lay. What would countries do if there was a real risk they would lose control of a part of their own territory, not just an island off the coast? More recently in your part of the world Russia has shown no signs of tolerating ANY form of secessionist movement that is independently generated. The USA fought a civil war over secession, western European history is full of examples of conflict following on attempts at independence. Trying to be sovereign in the sense of the creation of a Nova Roman state would be viewed as secession. Any such attempt would last as long it took the host country to notice the attempt and squash it. There is no free, un-owned, land anymore.

Nation states do not hand over their own land to internal independence groups without conflict. The conflict maybe force/physically based, it maybe economic force, or political force, but conflict will almost always follow. I think that is a generally recognized fact. Look to Spain and the movements there for independence, or to Northern Ireland, just two examples. In those countries there is a significant resident population that may want independence, but they still haven’t got it. Instead they got conflict. We in Nova Roma don’t have one area we are all in together – we are scattered all over, nor do we have large numbers of “population”, to apply the sort of political pressure necessary for any negotiated “independence”. I think you have correctly identified that the Declaration speaks to the “Roman dream”. I don’t think the aspirations behind what you hope for are crazy, or insane, but holding the end result of a Nova Roman state out as a viable end product (in terms of what can actually be achieved) is counter-productive, and yes to us insane. What I and Sulla feel is that sovereignty can take many forms. We are simply suggesting that we can work towards something tangible, which isn’t secession based, as laid out in the five points, which we see as the logical end point where sovereignty is concerned. It may take us many generations to even get there, but there is precedent for other groups achieving what we suggest, and it is a legal, internationally recognized and validated route towards a version of sovereignty.

As to your points about protection of historical heritage, I rather see that as the duty of all persons. Macronational governments tend to focus on allocating money to immediate issues, housing, defence, health etc. There are voters attached to those issues. There are no residents of Pompeii to protest, for example, the lack of adequate funding to prevent the decay and the collapse of the existing excavated buildings. Macronational states do have the means, if they choose to target historical preservation. It is clear that they choose not to, because again they don’t see themselves losing votes for their failure to act. Without making it an issue where voters protest, it won’t happen. Funding will be limited, constantly under threat of re-allocation. An organization such as Nova Roma is perfectly formed to build itself up, in the years to come, to become a voice for protection and preservation.

Optime vale


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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 2:06 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward


Salve, Caesari.

Sorry if I expressed not clear enough. I will try to use parts of «NR Onward» to make clear my positions and thoughts to everyone.

In text of «NR Onward», you and Sulla spent a a large amount of words to prove that NR "sovereignity" is not in the plane of political independence - "The reality is, as far as we can see, that Nova Roma will never be sovereign in the sense that nations are." p. 12
"These of course are heady and dramatic claims. A reasonable person, grounded in reality, understands that especially in the post 9/11 world, nation states are deeply suspicious of (and rightly so) and
openly hostile to, secessionist movements, or non - state actors such as ISIS. This is also a reason we need to clarify Nova Roma's concept of what form sovereignty would take." p. 4
But in fact - there is no need in "political sovereignty" (as i call "global sovereignty" in my previous post),
for a "nation" because citizen can get local sovereignty whats really meets to all requirements for building Roman Society (Culture and Architecture, mechanisms of ruling e.t.c.). Ways (worked for Ukraine) where described too.

"We are not inviting people to build a modern state for Nova Roma, like Ukraine, or Italy, or Canada or the USA."




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95976 From: Vedius Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Salve Celsi,

In English, we call that a "straw man argument". Propping up a straw man, easily knocked down, simply for the sake of knocking it down and appearing to gain some sort of victory.

In this case, the straw man is an attack on the notion of Nova Roma's sovereignty goal, even though, as you correctly point out, no one is discussing such a thing except Caesar.

This has the effect of creating a false choice; one is supposed to think the only choices are Caesar's plan or sovereignty, which he (correctly) points out is not practical at this time. But of course, since nobody is advocating that we *should* pursue it, it seems an odd argument. 

It is entirely possible to agree that sovereignty is not a practical goal at this point and time and still not agree with the particulars of Caesar's plan. Let no one be deceived into thinking otherwise.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95977 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Vedio sal.
 
Actually there many choices and routes towards sovereignty and what I am proposing is not exclusive, nor does it have to conflict with other options. It can be mutually supportive of say for example the growth of local communities centered around Nova Roma. You are somewhat misinformed if you think that nobody is advocating absolute sovereignty – it has cropped up as a train of thought that had practical expression in the view that macronational laws could be ignored in preference to Nova Roman laws, which I think you will agree is a dangerous position to take, but that belief was founded on the words in the Declaration and the sentiments they evoke.
 
Of course people can disagree with what Sulla and I propose for goals for Nova Roma (as if we were silly enough to think that wouldn’t happen!), not exclusive goals I repeat, but that rather places the onus on those people who do so to at least demonstrate why they think Nova Roma seeking the levels of recognition we propose and becoming more activist based is a bad or negative thing, or not viable in some way. Of course people don’t “have” to produce any reasons for disliking these proposals, but then it could be concluded that such opposition is based on factors other than rational logic. The position of mental luddite is often vacant and just waiting to be filled in Nova Roma. The very fact that any discussion could spiral off in that direction is no surprise to us. As for being the only ones “discussing such a thing”, a general comment is that the one of the points of a forum is to raise issues for discussion. Someone has to start these Vedi, there is no “approved” formula for when we can talk about something or not.
 
It is also generally is referred to as “starting a conversation”.
 
Optime vale
 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

Salve Celsi,
 
In English, we call that a "straw man argument". Propping up a straw man, easily knocked down, simply for the sake of knocking it down and appearing to gain some sort of victory.
 
In this case, the straw man is an attack on the notion of Nova Roma's sovereignty goal, even though, as you correctly point out, no one is discussing such a thing except Caesar.
 
This has the effect of creating a false choice; one is supposed to think the only choices are Caesar's plan or sovereignty, which he (correctly) points out is not practical at this time. But of course, since nobody is advocating that we *should* pursue it, it seems an odd argument.
 
It is entirely possible to agree that sovereignty is not a practical goal at this point and time and still not agree with the particulars of Caesar's plan. Let no one be deceived into thinking otherwise.
 
Vale,
 
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
 
 
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:06 PM, m.flavius_celsus@... [Nova-Roma] <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95978 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

 

I haven’t read this document yet, and will try to manage the PDF, if possible, or obtain it in Word Document form, if necessary.  However, I’ve considered some concerning these issues, so perhaps a few of my ideas and conclusions might not be entirely inappropriate.

 

First of all, one of the comments, made years ago, during a very heated debate about this very issue, inspired me, and had led me, somewhat indirectly, to redefine my definition of “nation” and even community.  It is usual to think of a community only in physical terms, or only in virtual terms, yet, I can see NR building an integrated community in both the physical and virtual worlds.  The technology exists for citizens in any Province, anywhere, to speak to one another directly, share information, pictures, even participate to an extent in Provincial events and celebrations.  I have, for example, spoken in visual phone conversations with NR friends on Skype, and, while language is still a barrier, I have seen (though not yet used) technology on Second Life that translates written chat instantaneously.  I have no idea how good it is, and at the moment, that isn’t my point.  My point is that as we develop, so does the technology of international, intercultural, and interlinguistic communication, and NR can construct itself in such a way that we use every tool available to us, both in our physical and virtual environments.

 

The comment I am referring to was a discussion of the Gypsies, termed a “landless” Nation, whose sovereignty is cultural, primarily.  The transference of this idea to NR is by no means direct, but it does apply.  If we, now, decide that we will be and continue to become, a self-identified, cohesive, self governing community, recognizable by our cultural (Roman) identity, interests, and close association with one another, no matter how widely scattered geographically we are, then we can, eventually, create such things as physical “settlements” which, though a part of the host nation and subject to that nation’s laws, tax structure, and Governmental regulations, are, within their own property limits (property which Nova Roma would own), can be almost entirely self-governing.   We could have some on enough land to build a village, with temples, or whatever we wish, or urban property where Novi Romani could live, govern themselves as would a Roman town, interact with the “Central” Government (Res Publica inc. and Nova Roma inc), and create as Roman a lifestyle and culture as wished.  In essence, though not recognized as a Nation State, (and not needing to somehow convince an existing Nation to cede land, or attempt to acquire such land in another manner) we would become, in fact and practice, a wide spread, multidimensional, self governing community.

 

As such, we could indeed advocate strongly and effectively for conservation of ancient sites, and quite possibly assist in such conservation in small ways.  Yes, this would take time.  Yes, this would take concerted effort by a large number of citizens, and yes, I think this, or something fairly close to this, could be accomplished.

 

With deepest respect,

C. Maria Caeca

Virgo Vestalis Maxima

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95979 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Yale Open Course College Classes
Avete Omnes,

I have found this class being offered from Yale that is free to the public.


This class is The Early Middle Ages:  250 - 1000.

This is a fascinating lecture and reminds me so much of the classes I have taken.  The first couple of lectures would be within NR's timeframe. I hope you will enjoy the class.

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95980 From: ciuniusmusca Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
I read over the document and I think you're making a point against splitting the corporation into two. There is some refreshing stuff in this doc, like the fact that people outside the organization would see the entire internal political system and the fact that we take Roman names as totally batshit crazy. I agree with this 100%. I've told multiple people about NR in hopes of getting some support in academic areas, and when they hear about the mock senate and Roman name-taking, they just scoff and dismiss it. Being someone who has literally zero interest in the political side of this, I know exactly where they're coming from.

I'm all for making NR (the non-profit it currently is) into a regular US non-profit corp with the normal every day positions. I also don't care about the pseudonyms we're using and would be fine with using my regular given name. I think that's a good way to move forward.

I also agree that a sovereign nation with its own physical borders and land is ridiculously unlikely to ever happen.

So back to my original point: this document pretty much shows that the senate/political system is all role-playing. Even the laws/rules/whatever you want to call them have next to no bearing on really anything. People who disagree end up leaving and forming splinter groups with some sort of lingering tension between them and us. If we relegate the political side to a fun little side group or club, this isn't really a problem anymore. The only "power" would be in the NR corporate leaders. How they're elected and who would ultimately be a good fit should be determined, but I would argue that people who would've left in the past with strong opinions should get a say just as much as people who are pushing for the status quo. Not only that, but also people from other nations (like a Sarmatian representative, for example) should also get a seat.

This would give us a good amount of diversity with a shared goal (for the most part) and let all of the political fluff fall to the wayside (where it belongs, IMO).

The only thing in this document related to NRR, your other document, is getting rid of the Roman political show from the non-profit. You seem to think it needs to exist as another corp (which we then have to pay for to start and keep running), while I think it should be relegated to a club. Nothing else from NRR is in this, and I think it's dishonest to say we need to "fully implement" NRR for any of this to happen.

-Musca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95981 From: cassius622 Date: 2015-09-12
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Salvete,
 
It is amazing to see the Declaratio explored in this way, when the people who wrote it are still figuratively standing right here in the room, lol!  Should I be honored? :)
 
I believe the Declaration was "mostly" mine, and the Constitution was "mostly" Vedius' writing. At the very least I'm going to comment on the Sovereignty issue.
 
I believe that LIMITED Sovereignty is absolutely obtainable, and it's not silly or delusional to work toward it as a goal. If a spit of land like the Vatican can get it, and an abandoned ocean platform like Sealand can get it, and even a single building like the Knights of Malta can get it... we can too. Sure, we'll never be on the same level as the USA, or Russia, or China. Sure, getting some international legitimacy might take us a lifetime... 100 years or even more. What the heck should we care about that? Rome is Eternal after all, and we're just carrying the flame along, so to speak.
 
In a nutshell, here is pretty much the "path to sovereignty" that I see:
I. Stop being so introverted and toxic, and start building infrastructure and attracting members.
 
II. Get to about 10,000 members, and start raising serious money for a "Sovereign" world capital/headquarters.
 
III. Build some Roman style buildings somewhere, and make a working "Roman Forum." A mixture of administrative/religious offices and tourist attraction, lol.  Basically a corporate headquarters... just like thousands of companies around the world have done without any issue.
 
IV. Declare that we affirm our Capital has "limited sovereignty" to act as the administrative capital of Rome Reborn for ourselves and our people... even while it remains (and we remain) a part of the host nation where it is located, and subject to that nations laws and taxation wherever applicable.
 
V. Do our own thing as pleasantly as possible, without pissing off our host nation, or other world nations. NO breaking laws in letter or in spirit, no tax evasion, political religious persecution, etc. In short, we behave as civilized people in a (mostly) civilized world, while working for the prosperity and growth of Roman Civilization worldwide.
 
VI. We maintain and work to popularize the idea that we are manifesting peaceful and limited Sovereignty for our Roman Nation for several decades. We enhance our Auctoritas in a peaceful and cooperative way without challenging any other nation (and again, especially our host nation.)
 
VII. Eventually we grow large enough, and show that we're rational enough that people begin to agree that we do in fact have a working world capital, manifesting Roman culture and civilization reborn throughout the world.
 
VIII. We never become a "real" nation like say, the USA... but we do become as valid as the Vatican, or at least as valid as Sealand or the Knights of Malta. After a few decades people forget that we are a bunch of delusional cranks...and have to start agreeing that we're walking the walk, talking the talk, and getting shit done. Possibly some small countries even start dialogue with us, and offering some official status. Possibly some indigenous cultures/tribes start dialogue with us as we are proof that a displaced and RE-placed traditional culture and religion can come back to life and be valid even after it's total destruction.
 
If we keep working to BE Rome Reborn, in 100 years most people are going to stop questioning the fact that we ARE Rome Reborn. 
 
Honestly, I can't think of a more straightforward path to something incredible and history-making. I also can't think of a more worthy goal. I *definitely* can't see any reason to give up and not even try because being mediocre and "normal" (read: rational) is the only sensible thing to do.
 
Valete,
 
Marcus Cassius Julianus
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2015 9:22:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95982 From: pro_praetore Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Salvete,

If this debate, I would like to express my opinion, which coincides with the opinion of the citizens of Sarmatia. It took some time to discuss "Nova Roma Onward" with the citizens.

The proposals set out in "Nova Roma Onward" are erroneous. You are basing your argument on the incorrect interpretation of the Nova Roma Declaration. In other words, you are distorting the meaning of certain provisions of the Nova Roma Declaration. You wishful thinking.

We, people of Nova Roma, follow the goals and objectives set out in the Declaration and the Constitution of Nova Roma. Incorrectly interpreting the provisions of the Declaration, "Nova Roma Onward" actually changes the goals and objectives set when Nova Roma was created. In other words, you change the very essence of Nova Roma. And it is wrong.

If you think that the ideas contained in "Nova Roma Onward" are so important that their must be implemented by all means, you can create a new organization, and engage in the implementation of the provisions of "Nova Roma Onward". Nova Roma and "Nova Roma Onward" are incompatible.

I am a practicing lawyer, I am the author of several works in the field of international law. In my opinion, you are wrong interpret the concept of sovereignty and independence. Moreover, I want to note that it is imprudent to tell that provisions of the Declaration are unreachable, if you really never tried to reach them.

Instead of discussing "Nova Roma Onward", we should discuss how to achieve the goals and objectives set out in the Nova Roma Declaration.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95983 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Caecae sal.
 
Exactly. The concept of the landless nation describes precisely how we can evolve. In a later post Cassius references the Knights of Malta, who are indeed one of the examples Sulla and I drew from. The advantage is that the issue of sovereignty and possession of land over which absolute sovereignty is exercised are divorced. We can have land but we may not own it to that extent, in fact we may exercise no more rights over that land than your average household. The host nation (if in western Europe and North America) usually always retains some form of rights (mineral, oil, gas etc.) even though you may have title to it, so Nova Roma could own land in this manner without it being a fundamental shift in thinking. At the same time those on it can retain the sense of the landless nation (landless because they don’t have land over which that absolute sovereignty is exercised, even though they have title to parcels of land).
 
It is precisely this form of interpretation of sovereignty that allows the Declaration to actually become a viable concept, within our lifetimes even, because we move from the literalist interpretation of that document to a practical and achievable one. It is precisely why these discussions help the whole process, as we progress along the cognitive evolutionary ladder :)
 
Thank you for posting this – it is, to my mind, a very valuable way of describing an achievable goal for us.
 
Optime vale
 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I haven’t read this document yet, and will try to manage the PDF, if possible, or obtain it in Word Document form, if necessary.  However, I’ve considered some concerning these issues, so perhaps a few of my ideas and conclusions might not be entirely inappropriate.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95984 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Muscae sal.
 
It is interesting your take on the document in respect of splitting the corporation. My take on this is that yes, I agree there is a credibility issue for many outside of NR – the “batshit crazy” judgement as you succinctly put it, or the scoffing and dismissal of some of your associates. I am sure many do indeed look at the res publica side and dismiss it out of hand. There are two ways for NR to react to this – the first is to hunker down and say basically “well to hell with you too”, and the second is to recognize that persons with a lot more to offer the organization than the organization could likely offer them are “lost” to us and to investigate if there is a way to accommodate them. Now some will say why would we want to accommodate people like this, and the answer for me is that if they have potentially a lot to give to an organization like ours, why would we not try to explore some form of an accommodation? Pride? Ego? Not good enough reasons to me. Who knows, close association with us might eventually take them from the “y’all crazy” position to one where they feel more comfortable with the res publica, the naming convention, the structures of internal control etc. etc. They won’t get there if we slam the shutters down or they do.
 
NR has for years pursued a “big tent” approach, not least because it understood there was a choice that we can either be very pure to the absolutist concept of NR being founded only for matters pertaining to the religio and thus have our population total able to fit inside a small mini-bus, or an oversized telephone booth, (a somewhat jocular assessment but you know what I mean I think), or we can throw the doors open to anyone who is prepared to abide by certain basic concepts (respect for the religio etc). The “big tent”was chosen and whether people second guess it now or not, it is too late – that boat has sailed. I think it was a good choice just for the record. That way we ended up with re-enactors, those who are here only for the religio, those with an interest in history etc. etc. To me at least it is no big stretch to think that the sort of people you approached (and yes I too can think of a number in my circle who had the same reaction) could possibly be accommodated. 
 
If we had the two corporation model, then we afford choice. You can call it associate membership, or whatever you like. The point is they may have valuable input into discussions (I am sure they would) and other contributions they could make (financial, time spent at events etc etc), and through the 2 corp model they would have the same basic membership everyone would – of NR’s non-profit, they just wouldn’t participate necessarily in the res publica side. There is no doubt a way to funnel people to a discussion channel for associate and full members combined – that’s not a hard concept at all. I have always thought that taking the line that the only way a person can contribute to NR is through investment in the full res publica aspect doesn’t serve us well. People either don’t join us, or they join and participate in a very minimal way – or are just passive onlookers. Again, some will say why on earth should we try to accommodate their insecurities or their issues, and my answer again is that often all it takes is exposure to NR to feel more comfortable, and that academics may well think we are nuts and a better way to deal with that is to demonstrate that we are not (hopefully), but that we have no chance of doing that if we take the “to hell with you too” approach. Where I differ from you is I do not see the res publica side (senate, comitia etc) as role playing, but rather an expression of Romanitas in action.
 
In respect of NRR, well the reason I think it is necessary to implement in relation to the goals in NRO is precisely to deal with the interfacing with the outside world. NR can always choose to be isolationist, and then it doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks of us, whether we have a senate or call ourselves Roman names for example, or if we form (as in the past) “diplomatic relations” with the “Imperial Federation of Zog the destroyer” run out of the imperial ruler’s bedroom in his parent’s house (not an actual example but again you get my drift), or other charming micronations. Then it doesn’t matter what image we portray. If however we hope to interface with the wider world, it is always going to be an issue of credibility that faces us. Securing grant monies, or negotiating access to academic resourcing, having academics contribute articles etc. may be easier if the non-profit side looks like a traditional one, has an internal structure that is regular and standard etc. That is the only part they would have to interface with would be the non-profit. The non-profit side in the 2 corp model is the interface, the universal translator, by which communication and interaction between two otherwise discordant parts is achieved. So I do see the implementation of NRR as required to make best use of the proposals of NRO, otherwise under the 1 corp model it is the Romanitas in action side I see, or the role playing side you see, as the only one that can negotiate and communicate. That is hardly likely to be successful.
 
Optime vale  
 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 6:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

I read over the document and I think you're making a point against splitting the corporation into two. There is some refreshing stuff in this doc, like the fact that people outside the organization would see the entire internal political system and the fact that we take Roman names as totally batshit crazy. I agree with this 100%. I've told multiple people about NR in hopes of getting some support in academic areas, and when they hear about the mock senate and Roman name-taking, they just scoff and dismiss it. Being someone who has literally zero interest in the political side of this, I know exactly where they're coming from.

I'm all for making NR (the non-profit it currently is) into a regular US non-profit corp with the normal every day positions. I also don't care about the pseudonyms we're using and would be fine with using my regular given name. I think that's a good way to move forward.

I also agree that a sovereign nation with its own physical borders and land is ridiculously unlikely to ever happen.

So back to my original point: this document pretty much shows that the senate/political system is all role-playing. Even the laws/rules/whatever you want to call them have next to no bearing on really anything. People who disagree end up leaving and forming splinter groups with some sort of lingering tension between them and us. If we relegate the political side to a fun little side group or club, this isn't really a problem anymore. The only "power" would be in the NR corporate leaders. How they're elected and who would ultimately be a good fit should be determined, but I would argue that people who would've left in the past with strong opinions should get a say just as much as people who are pushing for the status quo. Not only that, but also people from other nations (like a Sarmatian representative, for example) should also get a seat.

This would give us a good amount of diversity with a shared goal (for the most part) and let all of the political fluff fall to the wayside (where it belongs, IMO).

The only thing in this document related to NRR, your other document, is getting rid of the Roman political show from the non-profit. You seem to think it needs to exist as another corp (which we then have to pay for to start and keep running), while I think it should be relegated to a club. Nothing else from NRR is in this, and I think it's dishonest to say we need to "fully implement" NRR for any of this to happen.

-Musca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95985 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Cassio sal.
 
I don’t know if you should be honoured but it is probably better to do it now than try to do when you are no longer among us ;) Rapping out your answers to all this on a table is going to get tough on the hands <lol
 
Firstly, let me thank you for posting on this, as it is obviously very helpful to the discussion to have the perspective of the author.
 
Secondly, I am not advocating (for the record) for moving away from the Declaration, quite the opposite in fact, but rather that we collectively define some key concepts in order to resolve specific issues that arose over the degree (if any) of our autonomy from the effects of macronational laws.  You were around for those periods, but I am not sure how engaged in the ML threads you were, so if you didn’t notice them happening to briefly summarize the practical misapplication (as I see it) of the Declaration, persons who were magistrates (and thus officers of the corporation) were seizing on the statement of sovereignty as a passport for ignoring macronational laws pertaining to our non-profit corporation. Obviously to most sane people, that isn’t a good thing to do, risking as it potentially does our IRS registration, not to mention potential intervention by the state regulators. The argument used was that the Declaration set out our sovereignty, so therefore if we are sovereign we can ignore X,Y or Z law because it isn’t in our laws. Insane reasoning but there you are..
 
Thirdly, the concept of limited sovereignty and the use of the Knights of Malta as a template is indeed perfectly viable, one that had occurred to us too and hence the 5 goals we sketched out in Nova Roma Onward. If they can do it, so too in theory can other organizations – Nova Roma included. I parsed what you wrote here against NRO and also what Caeca and others have contributed and it seems that most of us are treading the same path. A landless nation, with limited sovereignty which aims to achieve levels of international participation is certainly a concept that is a lot more credible than absolutist sovereignty. I am glad to hear, from the horse’s mouth so to speak, that the absolutist position of us being, as you put it, a “real nation” is not viable. Ensuring that these concepts aren’t internally hijacked for “political” advantage again is important, as when it does it detracts from the mission, it degrades the concept in the Declaration, and it endangers our existence to preach a course of action as those people did (and it could easily happen again) of law breaking, or that “real nations” do x,y or z so we can too.
 
Lastly, I like the steps you have outlined and the time frame is certainly realistic. Also the concept of “we're just carrying the flame along” is an excellent take-away. None of these steps conflict with what we were proposing in NRO and some are basically the same (the status of the Knights of Malta for example), or are at the very least mutually compatible.
 
Optime vale
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:16 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

Salvete,
 
It is amazing to see the Declaratio explored in this way, when the people who wrote it are still figuratively standing right here in the room, lol!  Should I be honored? :)
 
I believe the Declaration was "mostly" mine, and the Constitution was "mostly" Vedius' writing. At the very least I'm going to comment on the Sovereignty issue.
 
I believe that LIMITED Sovereignty is absolutely obtainable, and it's not silly or delusional to work toward it as a goal. If a spit of land like the Vatican can get it, and an abandoned ocean platform like Sealand can get it, and even a single building like the Knights of Malta can get it... we can too. Sure, we'll never be on the same level as the USA, or Russia, or China. Sure, getting some international legitimacy might take us a lifetime... 100 years or even more. What the heck should we care about that? Rome is Eternal after all, and we're just carrying the flame along, so to speak.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95986 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Severo sal.
 
What can I say?
 
Well, firstly that unlike internal by-laws or leges, where what is actually written down has to be what we use rather than the subsequently stated intent of the author, the Declaration is essentially a vision statement and of course is open to interpretation and re-interpretation based on issues arising, or confusion, or changing circumstances. Vision statements that don’t keep pace with developments aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
 
Secondly, any interpretation of a vision statement is likely to be no more wrong than another, or right, so I am not sure that simply saying we are wrong based on your opinion gets us very far. You say that we have incorrectly interpreted the Declaration, yet all we have to go is what it says. It doesn’t come with a handbook attached, so of course we are going to look at the wider world and ask is this practicable?
 
Thirdly, Cassius (who wrote it and thus since it is a vision statement, not some absolutist by-law, certainly can provide valuable insight) himself states that we aren’t ever going to be a “real nation”, a statement I agree with and therefore I don’t think I am incorrectly interpreting the Declaration if the author appears to be thinking the same way I am.
 
Fourthly, on a purely practical level, our assessment is why waste time trying to achieve what is 99% impossible? Why waste time stating that because there is a there is a 1% chance that if we all got flattened by an asteroid, that the remnants of civilization might coalesce into Nova Roma the nation? That to my mind is the only way existing nations are ever going to accommodate Nova Roma the ‘real nation” – if they themselves had ceased to exist, but of course if we all got flattened by an asteroid to achieve that we probably would be more worried about survival than founding Nova Roma the nation.
 
Fifthly, let me give you an analogy. Say we buy a gas oven and on reading the instructions they appear to say that to successfully light it you have to turn on the gas and wait five minutes, open the door to the oven and put your head inside, and light a match. To most rational and sane people we would know that would not be a good thing to do, that the instructions could not have meant to read that. Do we have to put our head in and proceed as instructed to prove that it can’t be done?  Are we compelled to do this simply because the instructions say this and because they are instructions we must of course follow them to the letter? One would hope that you would agree that following the instructions to the letter in this example would not be a good thing. Now if we knew that the oven was equipped with a self-starter button and you don’t have to put your head inside, would we not just press the button and ignore the instructions? Is the oven any less an oven because we did not follow the instructions? So too with the Declaration. It says something that normal rational sane people know isn’t going to occur – i.e. become a “real nation”. Just because it appears to say something that isn’t sane doesn’t mean that we have to throw the Declaration out. In this case all we have to do is clarify our understanding of “sovereign”.
 
Lastly, we would say that by exploring why sovereignty cannot be absolute sovereignty and then exploring ways to remain as true as we can in all other ways to the Declaration, finding practical similar examples, such as the one that we had seized on and Cassius cited too (the Knights of Malta), to construct some very real steps we can take, that we are in fact discussing how to achieve the goals and objectives of the Declaration. I think it is a matter of perspective. It seems to me that you and your fellow Sarmatians take a literal, absolutist position when it comes to the Declaration. That was not unexpected. Some people take an interpretative view, some not.
 
Optime vale
 
 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

Salvete,

 
If this debate, I would like to express my opinion, which coincides with the opinion of the citizens of Sarmatia. It took some time to discuss "Nova Roma Onward" with the citizens.
 
The proposals set out in "Nova Roma Onward" are erroneous. You are basing your argument on the incorrect interpretation of the Nova Roma Declaration. In other words, you are distorting the meaning of certain provisions of the Nova Roma Declaration. You wishful thinking.

We, people of Nova Roma, follow the goals and objectives set out in the Declaration and the Constitution of Nova Roma. Incorrectly interpreting the provisions of the Declaration, "Nova Roma Onward" actually changes the goals and objectives set when Nova Roma was created. In other words, you change the very essence of Nova Roma. And it is wrong.

If you think that the ideas contained in "Nova Roma Onward" are so important that their must be implemented by all means, you can create a new organization, and engage in the implementation of the provisions of "Nova Roma Onward". Nova Roma and "Nova Roma Onward" are incompatible.

I am a practicing lawyer, I am the author of several works in the field of international law. In my opinion, you are wrong interpret the concept of sovereignty and independence. Moreover, I want to note that it is imprudent to tell that provisions of the Declaration are unreachable, if you really never tried to reach them.

Instead of discussing "Nova Roma Onward", we should discuss how to achieve the goals and objectives set out in the Nova Roma Declaration.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95987 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

One issue I see with the most commonly cited examples of sovereignty (Sovereign Military Order of Malta and Vatican City) is that they both have their own unique histories behind them that give them international recognition.  SMOM used to have its own territory (Malta, hence the name) until they were expelled from it, though they still retain their sovereignty and international recognition.  Vatican City is essentially a rump state, being all that remains of the Papal States after the unification of Italy.  I'm not sure that either example is a realistic one to follow.  Unfortunately, I don't have any better ideas.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!



On Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:31 AM, "gn_iulius_caesar@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Caesar Severo sal.
 
What can I say?
 
Well, firstly that unlike internal by-laws or leges, where what is actually written down has to be what we use rather than the subsequently stated intent of the author, the Declaration is essentially a vision statement and of course is open to interpretation and re-interpretation based on issues arising, or confusion, or changing circumstances. Vision statements that don’t keep pace with developments aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
 
Secondly, any interpretation of a vision statement is likely to be no more wrong than another, or right, so I am not sure that simply saying we are wrong based on your opinion gets us very far. You say that we have incorrectly interpreted the Declaration, yet all we have to go is what it says. It doesn’t come with a handbook attached, so of course we are going to look at the wider world and ask is this practicable?
 
Thirdly, Cassius (who wrote it and thus since it is a vision statement, not some absolutist by-law, certainly can provide valuable insight) himself states that we aren’t ever going to be a “real nation”, a statement I agree with and therefore I don’t think I am incorrectly interpreting the Declaration if the author appears to be thinking the same way I am.
 
Fourthly, on a purely practical level, our assessment is why waste time trying to achieve what is 99% impossible? Why waste time stating that because there is a there is a 1% chance that if we all got flattened by an asteroid, that the remnants of civilization might coalesce into Nova Roma the nation? That to my mind is the only way existing nations are ever going to accommodate Nova Roma the ‘real nation” – if they themselves had ceased to exist, but of course if we all got flattened by an asteroid to achieve that we probably would be more worried about survival than founding Nova Roma the nation.
 
Fifthly, let me give you an analogy. Say we buy a gas oven and on reading the instructions they appear to say that to successfully light it you have to turn on the gas and wait five minutes, open the door to the oven and put your head inside, and light a match. To most rational and sane people we would know that would not be a good thing to do, that the instructions could not have meant to read that. Do we have to put our head in and proceed as instructed to prove that it can’t be done?  Are we compelled to do this simply because the instructions say this and because they are instructions we must of course follow them to the letter? One would hope that you would agree that following the instructions to the letter in this example would not be a good thing. Now if we knew that the oven was equipped with a self-starter button and you don’t have to put your head inside, would we not just press the button and ignore the instructions? Is the oven any less an oven because we did not follow the instructions? So too with the Declaration. It says something that normal rational sane people know isn’t going to occur – i.e. become a “real nation”. Just because it appears to say something that isn’t sane doesn’t mean that we have to throw the Declaration out. In this case all we have to do is clarify our understanding of “sovereign”.
 
Lastly, we would say that by exploring why sovereignty cannot be absolute sovereignty and then exploring ways to remain as true as we can in all other ways to the Declaration, finding practical similar examples, such as the one that we had seized on and Cassius cited too (the Knights of Malta), to construct some very real steps we can take, that we are in fact discussing how to achieve the goals and objectives of the Declaration. I think it is a matter of perspective. It seems to me that you and your fellow Sarmatians take a literal, absolutist position when it comes to the Declaration. That was not unexpected. Some people take an interpretative view, some not.
 
Optime vale
 
 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 
Salvete,
 
If this debate, I would like to express my opinion, which coincides with the opinion of the citizens of Sarmatia. It took some time to discuss "Nova Roma Onward" with the citizens.
 
The proposals set out in "Nova Roma Onward" are erroneous. You are basing your argument on the incorrect interpretation of the Nova Roma Declaration. In other words, you are distorting the meaning of certain provisions of the Nova Roma Declaration. You wishful thinking.

We, people of Nova Roma, follow the goals and objectives set out in the Declaration and the Constitution of Nova Roma. Incorrectly interpreting the provisions of the Declaration, "Nova Roma Onward" actually changes the goals and objectives set when Nova Roma was created. In other words, you change the very essence of Nova Roma. And it is wrong.

If you think that the ideas contained in "Nova Roma Onward" are so important that their must be implemented by all means, you can create a new organization, and engage in the implementation of the provisions of "Nova Roma Onward". Nova Roma and "Nova Roma Onward" are incompatible.

I am a practicing lawyer, I am the author of several works in the field of international law. In my opinion, you are wrong interpret the concept of sovereignty and independence. Moreover, I want to note that it is imprudent to tell that provisions of the Declaration are unreachable, if you really never tried to reach them.

Instead of discussing "Nova Roma Onward", we should discuss how to achieve the goals and objectives set out in the Nova Roma Declaration.

Valete,
T. Fl. Severus
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95988 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Ave,

There is another example though I am loathed to use it.   The example is of the PLO/PA.  They had nothing and now they have actually something of substance.  Their example (though not the terrorism attached them) probably best serves as an example for us to as precedent.

Respectfully.

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95989 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
Caesar Laterensi sal.
 
Agreed we don’t have the history (and we weren’t suggesting we do of course), but the mechanism the Knights of Malta used re UNESCO is one that is open to any organization that can meet the qualifiers. What NR could do is establish itself over the years as an active participant in the fields of advocacy for sites under threat etc. Granted it would be a very long term goal, but a more concrete one than the absolutist interpretation, which we feel is next to nigh impossible.
 
Optime vale
 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward
 
 

C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

One issue I see with the most commonly cited examples of sovereignty (Sovereign Military Order of Malta and Vatican City) is that they both have their own unique histories behind them that give them international recognition.  SMOM used to have its own territory (Malta, hence the name) until they were expelled from it, though they still retain their sovereignty and international recognition.  Vatican City is essentially a rump state, being all that remains of the Papal States after the unification of Italy.  I'm not sure that either example is a realistic one to follow.  Unfortunately, I don't have any better ideas.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
 

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95990 From: cmc Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Long term goals & the Declaration - Nova Roma Onward

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

 

For me, the difference between my involvement in Nova Roman life, (what will become the Res Publica side) and role playing is that, in role playing, I set aside some time, enter a temporary specific mindset, and pretend to be someone else.  This, of course, requires what few acting and theater skills I might possess …because I am consciously playing a part, and, in the back of my mind, I am concerned about how *that* person thinks and reacts, not how *I* think and react.

 

In Nova Roma, yes, I have, and proudly use, my Roman name.  That name has become an essential part of me, and I will be, until my death, even if I disassociate myself from Nova Roma, both Shoshana Hathaway *and* Gaia Maria Caeca.

 

Here, I am not taking on a constructed personality.  Those who actually know me, as a few here do, on a personal level, know that I am the same inside and outside of Nova Roma, though perhaps a bit less formal in other circumstances.  So I don’t see what I do here as role playing.

 

I do see the Res Publica as building a working, fully functioning model of an ancient Roman Republic, to the extent possible.  Call it a sociological or historical or cultural experiment, perhaps, but what I see us doing is creating a working model, and then integrating it into a modern setting, by making some of the legal and societal adjustments that the Romans may well have made, had the Roman Republic (or even Empire) survived into our time.  I think that having 2 corporations, as we will if we enact the provisions of Nova Roma Reborn will, in fact, allow us to fully implement the ideal of a fully functioning Roman Republic (first virtually, true) and put us into an excellent position to develop along the lines suggested by the recent paper, amended and adjusted by experience.  (you know, a battle plan survives only until first contact with an enemy, and you only know how well a ship is built on her shakedown cruise).  Experience will provide us ample opportunity to tweak, rearrange, and readjust things, which I have full confidence that we, and those who come after us, will do.

 

Valete Bene!

Gaia Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95991 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Shana Tova!!
Avete Omnes,

Happy New Year to all of our Citizens who are Jewish! :)  May this year bring sweetness and wonderful experiences to us all! :)

Respectfully,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95992 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: LUDI ROMANI - SHORT ESSAY CONTEST
Salvete Novi Romani,

We have started the Games, and I hope you join C. Claudius Quadratus' historical quiz. But now something different.

I am pleased to announce you the Ludi Romani SHORT ESSAY CONTEST, with a little twist if friendship building and community and social interaction element :) You will see below... 

The topic of the essay is an intriguing obscure question of Roman republican history: 

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DID THE AEDILES CURULES POSSESS IMPERIUM?
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It is a very befitting essay contest topic, organized by an Aedilis Curulis, isn't it? ;)
You will find arguments on boths sides, some scholars say they did, others say they didn't. We have just seen the comitia curiata invested us Aediles Curules with imperium, so you can see Nova Roma's legal take on this question. But history may not agree with Nova Roma practice: you have to discover the truth!

THE PRIZE

A real ancient Roman coin (an Antoninianus minted by Valerian I) in good condition, donated to the winner by my Honorable Colleague Aedilis Curulis Gaius Decius Laterenis. 

THE RULES

If you want to participate in this essay contest, you have to write a ***ONE PAGE*** long (font size 12) essay about the topic. It can be longer if you want (it will be no problem if shorter a little bit than one page). The only requirement is your work must be original work of yours, and you must form AN OPINION. You must take sides and decide if you think yes, the Roman curule aediles had imperium or no, they didn't.

What is the friendship, community building and social interaction element here?

After you have written your essay, you must convince 5 assidui (taxpayer) citizens to write to me, Quintus Arrius Nauta, IN SUPPORT of your essay! You don't only have to write an essay, but you also must "sell" your thoughts to 5 Nova Romans :) And possibly after talking with them about your essay's ideas you will get 5 new NR friends! :)
If you are a new citizen and don't know 5 Nova Roman assidui citizens yet, don't worry. Go to the Nova Roma website and you will find many assidui in the Magistrates page, Governors page, Senate members page, Scribes page, and other pages too. If you don't know anybody's email address, you can go into your Album Civium account, log in, and you can write to the people you choose, using the "send mail" function in the Album Civium page. This is the link to the Album Civium:


Important rule: one citizen can support only one essayist! If another essay writer gets the recommendation of an assidui citizen, the same citizen is not permitted to write in support for an other essay. You must discuss it with the citizen who you want to support you, so he or she supports nobody but you. Support statements from the same person for a second essayist will not be counted.

Your essay must be sent to:
whitewolfbde@...

Your supporters "in favor"-recommendations must be sent to Quintus Arrius Nauta, me, accross my Album Civium page, here:

Only support statements sent via my Album Civium page will be counted.

If you have questions, contact me on whitewolfbde@...


Valete,

Q. Arrius Nauta
AEDILIS CURULIS
Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95993 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Shana Tova!!
Salve,

Good wishes to all who celebrate! It is good sign it coincides with our LUDI ROMANI!
Time to celebrate!

Vale,
-Q. Arrius Nauta



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 95994 From: Q. Arrius Nauta Date: 2015-09-13
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani - Opening Ritual
Q. Arrius Nauta aedilis curulis C. Decio Laterensi aedili curuli S. P. D.

Thank you very much Colleague, for the opening sacrifice, and thanks to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus for composing the authentic source based prayers.

Happy Ludi Romani to All,

Q. Arrius Nauta
Aedilis Curulis