Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Nov 15-30, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96600 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96601 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96602 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96603 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96604 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96605 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96606 From: mmlupus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96607 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Communication Problem ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96609 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96610 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96611 From: D. Sertorius Brutus Rodericus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: My Thoughts With Cives of Gallia Provincia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96612 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96613 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96614 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96615 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96616 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96617 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96618 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: CORRECTION - Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96619 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96620 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DICTATURA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96621 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 001
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96622 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 002
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96623 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 003
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96624 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-17
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 004
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96625 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-17
Subject: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96626 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-19
Subject: The way forward
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96627 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-19
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 005
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96628 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: The Main Forum is now open.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96629 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 006
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96630 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Latin Composition Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96631 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: An Apology and Hope for the Future
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96632 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Glad to See The List Open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96633 From: lmariusvestinus Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Re: An Apology and Hope for the Future
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96634 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96635 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Re: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96636 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Re: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96637 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: seeking help in the Praetura
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96638 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Thanksgiving Holiday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96639 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Holiday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96640 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Praetorian Edict: appointment of scribes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96641 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96642 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Steam sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96643 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96644 From: C. Cornelius Macer Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Holiday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96645 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96646 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: "GO" or it's Gone .. Re: [Nova-Roma] Steam sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96647 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-27
Subject: Praetorian Edict, appointment of scribes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96648 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 007
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96649 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96650 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 008
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96651 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-30
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96652 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-11-30
Subject: Oath of office.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96600 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Salve Po.

Drafting an SC, or a lex, that is agreeable to all parties is an impossibility, not just on this issue to hand but any. If you passed an SC declaring breathing a good thing, someone would pop up and claim it was a plot and how we shouldn't breathe. 

That is with respect utterly unsustainable and not achievable. On this issue we have some parties who utterly reject the core concept, so no agreement will ever be possible.We will just enter a never ending round of Punch and Judy politics, where up pops Mr. Punch the tribune to bat Judy across the side of the head with the latest spurious argument, and then back to the drawing board we all go. That is no way to ensure corporate compliance or sound effective governance. It would be a pointless charade. The SCs have passed. No breach of lex or Constitution can be shown. The test in the lex Didia has not been met. The intercessio fails. The tribunes do not have a sole and reserved right to interpret their own intercessio. 

Vale bene
Caesar 


From: "pompeia_minucia_tiberia@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Salve Laenus

Its been a while.  I well remember you as a tribune and consul both.  And for the leges you are requesting that the tribune cites in this intercessio, please refer to his posting, I think there were 5 leges cited, as well as his rationale behind their usage. I think the rub is that the rationale needs to be contested by tribunes and not by others who happenstance disagree with his reasoning. And, I'm sure you remember that he can evaluate whether or not a law, sc or decretum inappropriately undermines the spirit as well as the letter of the constitution, laws, etc.. His actions, rationale, and whole 9 yards are subject to his colleague's acceptance or rejection.

Perhaps a better solution,and I think somebody else suggested this, is to 'go back to the drawing board', perhaps exercising a little "Hegelian Synthesis" and draft an SC that will be agreeable to all parties concerned.



Vale

Pompeia




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96601 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO

P. Porcius Licinus trib. omibus in foro s.p.d.


A little more than 72 hours ago, this Tribune pronounced INTERCESSIO against two Senatus Consultums, SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR CITIZENSHIP AND A COMPETING ORGANIZATION and SENATUS CONSULTUM ON WARNINGS TO NEW OR RETURNING APPLICANTS FOR CITIZENSHIP.


According to the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.1, a pronouncement of intercession must contain the following items (emphasis mine):


1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the following elements in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall note whether the auxilium was requested or ex-officio:


•a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.


•b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.


•c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).


The pronouncement contained all three of these elements, including 5 items in 3 different Articles of the Constitution that the SCs violated, and a reasoned exposition as to why the SCs violated those provisions. 


The Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.2 states that:


2. If the intercessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act or those acts.


Hence, the definition of whether or not an INTERCESSIO is valid is contained in the lex.  Does it contain the required elements in a reasoned exposition?  If yes, it is valid.  If not, it is invalid.

Did I provide a reasoned exposition?  The definition of exposition is:  a comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.  Certainly my writings were comprehensive, and did explain my idea or theory as to why the SCs violated the Constitution.  Hence, a reasoned exposition was provided.  There is no requirement in either the Constitution or the lexes that any person other than a tribune agree with my theory.

The Lex Labiena de intercession, IV, provides that:


IV. During this 72 hour period, other tribuni plebis may officially announce their agreement or disagreement with the particular use of intercessio.


IV.A. Such announcements shall be made to at least one of Nova Roma’s main communications fora, and shall be made to the forum in which the original announcement of intercessio occurred.

IV.B. A tribunus plebis who chooses not to state his agreement or disagreement with the use of intercessio shall be assumed to have abstained, and his abstention shall be counted neither for nor against the use of intercessio.

IV.C. The initial use of intercessio shall be assumed to be a statement of agreement with itself. Therefore, the tribunus plebis who initially issued the intercessio in question need not state his agreement with his own action.

My initial use of intercession counts as my agreement.  During the 72 hours,  A. Vergilius Figulus, Tribunus Plebis, issued a statement of agreement with the INTERCESSIO.  The other two Tribunes were silent during the 72 hours.


The Lex Laiena de intercession, V, provides that:


V. Should more tribuni plebis agree than disagree with the use of intercessio in question, it shall stand, and the action which was vetoed shall be void. Otherwise, the action which was vetoed shall be allowed to take effect starting immediately at the end of the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or disagreement.


Two is greater than zero, so the INTERCESSIO stands.  Therefore, according to our Constitution, IV.A.7a, the two SCs are interposed, vetoed, and void.


Whether they chose to speak out or not, I thank my fellow tribunes for the time and effort they spent considering this matter.  I would similarly thank every citizen of Nova Roma who gave consideration to this item, whether they agreed with my conclusions or not.


Di vos incolumes custodiant!

PUBLIUS PORCIUS LICINUS, TRIBUNUS PLEBIS

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96602 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Caesar sal.

This has now become a matter of compliance with our own bylaws, in particular the lex Didia. Unfortunate but predictable.

Optime valete


From: "eljefe3126@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
P. Porcius Licinus trib. omibus in foro s.p.d.

A little more than 72 hours ago, this Tribune pronounced INTERCESSIO against two Senatus Consultums, SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR CITIZENSHIP AND A COMPETING ORGANIZATION and SENATUS CONSULTUM ON WARNINGS TO NEW OR RETURNING APPLICANTS FOR CITIZENSHIP.

According to the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.1, a pronouncement of intercession must contain the following items (emphasis mine):

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the following elements in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall note whether the auxilium was requested or ex-officio:

•a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.

•b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

•c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

The pronouncement contained all three of these elements, including 5 items in 3 different Articles of the Constitution that the SCs violated, and a reasoned exposition as to why the SCs violated those provisions. 

The Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.2 states that:

2. If the intercessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act or those acts.

Hence, the definition of whether or not an INTERCESSIO is valid is contained in the lex.  Does it contain the required elements in a reasoned exposition?  If yes, it is valid.  If not, it is invalid.

Did I provide a reasoned exposition?  The definition of exposition is:  a comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.  Certainly my writings were comprehensive, and did explain my idea or theory as to why the SCs violated the Constitution.  Hence, a reasoned exposition was provided.  There is no requirement in either the Constitution or the lexes that any person other than a tribune agree with my theory.

The Lex Labiena de intercession, IV, provides that:

IV. During this 72 hour period, other tribuni plebis may officially announce their agreement or disagreement with the particular use of intercessio.

IV.A. Such announcements shall be made to at least one of Nova Roma’s main communications fora, and shall be made to the forum in which the original announcement of intercessio occurred.

IV.B. A tribunus plebis who chooses not to state his agreement or disagreement with the use of intercessio shall be assumed to have abstained, and his abstention shall be counted neither for nor against the use of intercessio.

IV.C. The initial use of intercessio shall be assumed to be a statement of agreement with itself. Therefore, the tribunus plebis who initially issued the intercessio in question need not state his agreement with his own action.

My initial use of intercession counts as my agreement.  During the 72 hours,  A. Vergilius Figulus, Tribunus Plebis, issued a statement of agreement with the INTERCESSIO.  The other two Tribunes were silent during the 72 hours.

The Lex Laiena de intercession, V, provides that:

V. Should more tribuni plebis agree than disagree with the use of intercessio in question, it shall stand, and the action which was vetoed shall be void. Otherwise, the action which was vetoed shall be allowed to take effect starting immediately at the end of the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or disagreement.

Two is greater than zero, so the INTERCESSIO stands.  Therefore, according to our Constitution, IV.A.7a, the two SCs are interposed, vetoed, and void.

Whether they chose to speak out or not, I thank my fellow tribunes for the time and effort they spent considering this matter.  I would similarly thank every citizen of Nova Roma who gave consideration to this item, whether they agreed with my conclusions or not.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

PUBLIUS PORCIUS LICINUS, TRIBUNUS PLEBIS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96603 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO

C. Maria Caeca Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

 

I am truly sorry to have to say this so directly, but this is absurd!  The Intercessio was based on an entirely incorrect interpretation of the SCs in question, namely, that they apply to current citizens.  They do not, and clearly say that they do not.  How can an intercessio based entirely on false premises be officially accepted and cancel SCs which were duly debated and passed by the Senate?  I just DO NOT understand!

 

Valete!

C. Maria Caeca

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96604 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Caesar Licinio trib sal.

Doesn't the law require that 72 hours elapse while these items are on hold? You issued the intercessio at 4.55pm on Friday 13th. 4.55pm on the 14th is 24 hours. and 4.55pm today is 48 hours no? I think you maybe a tad early...  All as per the timelines in the Lex Labiena de intercessione, which the lex Didia preserves, or can you explain your rationale if you don't agree.

Optime vale


From: "eljefe3126@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
P. Porcius Licinus trib. omibus in foro s.p.d.

A little more than 72 hours ago, this Tribune pronounced INTERCESSIO against two Senatus Consultums, SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR CITIZENSHIP AND A COMPETING ORGANIZATION and SENATUS CONSULTUM ON WARNINGS TO NEW OR RETURNING APPLICANTS FOR CITIZENSHIP.

According to the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.1, a pronouncement of intercession must contain the following items (emphasis mine):

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the following elements in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall note whether the auxilium was requested or ex-officio:

•a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.

•b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

•c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

The pronouncement contained all three of these elements, including 5 items in 3 different Articles of the Constitution that the SCs violated, and a reasoned exposition as to why the SCs violated those provisions. 

The Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia, II.A.2 states that:

2. If the intercessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act or those acts.

Hence, the definition of whether or not an INTERCESSIO is valid is contained in the lex.  Does it contain the required elements in a reasoned exposition?  If yes, it is valid.  If not, it is invalid.

Did I provide a reasoned exposition?  The definition of exposition is:  a comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.  Certainly my writings were comprehensive, and did explain my idea or theory as to why the SCs violated the Constitution.  Hence, a reasoned exposition was provided.  There is no requirement in either the Constitution or the lexes that any person other than a tribune agree with my theory.

The Lex Labiena de intercession, IV, provides that:

IV. During this 72 hour period, other tribuni plebis may officially announce their agreement or disagreement with the particular use of intercessio.

IV.A. Such announcements shall be made to at least one of Nova Roma’s main communications fora, and shall be made to the forum in which the original announcement of intercessio occurred.

IV.B. A tribunus plebis who chooses not to state his agreement or disagreement with the use of intercessio shall be assumed to have abstained, and his abstention shall be counted neither for nor against the use of intercessio.

IV.C. The initial use of intercessio shall be assumed to be a statement of agreement with itself. Therefore, the tribunus plebis who initially issued the intercessio in question need not state his agreement with his own action.

My initial use of intercession counts as my agreement.  During the 72 hours,  A. Vergilius Figulus, Tribunus Plebis, issued a statement of agreement with the INTERCESSIO.  The other two Tribunes were silent during the 72 hours.

The Lex Laiena de intercession, V, provides that:

V. Should more tribuni plebis agree than disagree with the use of intercessio in question, it shall stand, and the action which was vetoed shall be void. Otherwise, the action which was vetoed shall be allowed to take effect starting immediately at the end of the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or disagreement.

Two is greater than zero, so the INTERCESSIO stands.  Therefore, according to our Constitution, IV.A.7a, the two SCs are interposed, vetoed, and void.

Whether they chose to speak out or not, I thank my fellow tribunes for the time and effort they spent considering this matter.  I would similarly thank every citizen of Nova Roma who gave consideration to this item, whether they agreed with my conclusions or not.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

PUBLIUS PORCIUS LICINUS, TRIBUNUS PLEBIS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96605 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-15
Subject: Re: Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO

Ave,

Memories of the tribune messalina!

Brother,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96606 From: mmlupus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO

M. Martianius Lupus omnibus  S.P.D.

I support and uphold the intercessio of my colleague, P. Porcius Licinus.

Valete!

M. Marianius Lupus,
Tribunus Plebis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96607 From: m.flavius_celsus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Communication Problem ?
Salvete!

Communication problems? Ah, yes.

Any two weeks in Nova Roma Main List appears new citizen asking or propose to create Forum and he get quick renouncement. Last Senate debates closed the discussion with the wording - "Senate convenient to use the Mile-list".

So interest of New comers and Citizens is not Senate interest.

I can
gave examples why is Yahoo mail list is outdated:
- Regular problems with work ( Time from send to publish message from 1 to 8 hours. Sometimes Yahoo not avaible to login. )
- Hard to configure.
-
High barrier to entry
- Can't to envolve automaticaly
- Big number of notifications ( I have 350 messages for this week just from NR, you realy want for me to look in each? )

But as we know - "
Senate convenient to use the Mail-list".

Of course we have problems with communication! Nova Roma is Senate for Senate organization.
Nobody here not standing for
expansion and attraction - You either play by our rules or you can revoke citizenship.
You don't need to be genius to understand what NR as voluentary organisation, existing on Citizen taxes - but are Senate planning do taxes
transparent and friendly? Oh no!
We give 3 month taxation period, with calculating cens points, and if you missed that pay fee! And another fee, just for fun! "
Inspire people to pay taxes, and the friendliness of our tax system - the main features of our success!" Yeap!

But all this message is nonsence. Four month ago we told same with Severus and Musca in time of Sarmatians Debates.
Senate not interested in Roman Citizens.

Vete!

Marcus Flavius Celsus
Sarmatia Prov.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96609 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Censor P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus S.P.D.

ould like to state that I agree with Pompeia's views about the Intercessio. I see it as the Tribues exercising a power that was explicitly granted to them by the NR Constitution. The original Intercessio, as it appeared here, includes all elements outlined by Pompeia in her post. So, if the Intercessio is really perceived as being invalid then the law being quoted by Pompeia is invalid as well. And if the Constitution grants such a "great power" to just four people who, as Pompeia also said, act independently from each other and can only enforce their actions if they agree with each other about the action itself... well, then the Constitution is invalid itself and should be changed. These are my two cents' worth in all this.
Optime valete omnes.
-P. Ann.Con. Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96610 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Ave Colleague,

I disagree with your interpretation.  The Tribunes of the Plebs are not members of the Board of Director. They are not bound by a fiduciary duty to the Corporation and by trying to overturn the decision of the Board of Directors have created a constitutional crises in which the corporate compliance is an issue.  Given the legal precedence set within the Constitution Corporate compliance prevents the Tribunes from acting in any way that jeopardizes our complance.  This harkens back to when Tribune Messalina over reached her authority of the Plebs and we all know what happened next.

To make it simple, corporate compliance trumps the Tribunes.  They must cease their attempted action or face the consequences.

Vale,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96611 From: D. Sertorius Brutus Rodericus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: My Thoughts With Cives of Gallia Provincia
True, but Rome never prohibited it's citizens of keeping and using weapons. In Portugal, the police force brags about taking weapons from it's "citizens" (but how come one is a citizen but cannot have a single pistol), it will certainly be "interesting" when the muslim invaders cross Gilbraltar with an army of the Caliphate, and the so called "refugees" start poisoning the water, bombing police stations/supermarkets/airports/etc. and the police force and the army hide themselves like rats and the let the civilians get butchered by an elite army equipped with modern Russian weaponry.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96612 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Salve, collega Sulla, and thanks very much for your explanation. Now I do see what the problem is. It is yet another case of "NR Res Publica vs. NR Inc.". Sorry if I put it so bluntly to you, but this two-headed beast aspect of NR is something I don't like, I never liked and I never will. Unfortunately this is the way NR currently is; until it is like that we have very little hope, in my opinion, of solving any strictly political issues (i.e. issues which pertain only to the Res Publica) without creating a conflict with NR Inc., or without affecting NR Inc. in some other way.

Optime vale,
Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96613 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Caninus Placido sal.

Amice, the problem is in the change of interpretation of "reasoned argument". If we ignore the past and interpret that to mean just an argument of some kind that the other tribunes agree with then a few citizens who have no corporate responsibility or liability can overturn any action of the people or the corporate officers. Perhaps some here would consider this completely Roman, the tribunes should be allowed to nullify an election, suspend a law passed in comitia, or block any other decision that is made, but I don't find that particularly Roman. It is also very dangerous to the corporation. Those of us, including you, Placide, who have personal liability for actions taken by Nova Roma should be more than a little scared by the potential for future events. The content and specifics of the Senatus Consultum being vetoed today is not important. The problem is once this veto is allowed to stand any future action, which may include actions necessary to maintain our corporate status under state and Federal regulations, can be blocked. Even very simple things like the payment of our trademark fees or our corporate filings or other routine business could also be affected by people with no personal liability. The argument against an action no longer needs to be constitutionally valid, the argument simply must be valid in their own minds. Power without consecquences, power to adversely impact the corporation without penalty. I am not comfortable when people can change corporate decisions and not be held responsible.

Fac valeas.
 
Marcus Pompeius Caninus
 
 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96614 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?

Ave colleaga,

Given the explanation do you now withdraw your support of the intercessio?

Respectfully,

Sulla

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96615 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
SALVE ET SALVETE!

True Canine. Unfortunately many think are not responsible for something which happen here and NR is only a place where they play roman having in front of their eyes the idyllic stories of the roman republic time of heroes.
In real is not like that. NR is corporation too and all officers has responsibilities including current tribunes.

VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own destiny" - Appius Claudius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96616 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO
Salve Colleague Amice
First I want to say I will support you as you ask and even if I will not agree in something I will not stay in your way! You and the senate have my obedience.
As personal opinion I must tell I disagree with your interpretation of the laws and I think the Tribunes are an institution of our corporation just like the senate and other officers. I think Tribunes' silent agreement is necessary to enacting all new laws, SCs, edict. If my proposal is vetoed, I accept it the same way. When I had the senate session I had to get Princeps Senatus approval to my items, and he made me remove certain items. I had to have the Princeps Senatus agree to create SCs. This is similar with Tribunes of Plebs. Our Tribunes have to agree at least with their silence for an item to become a law. If Tribunes don't agree but veto in this case the lawmaker has to accept it and try again with different proposal.  
I think all NR officers have corporate responsibility, also the Tribunes. They are like "control committee" and they block if they think something is not good. Regardless veto is valid or invalid, in my opinion Tribunes are right to judge this SC as bad because it harms NR inc corporation's interests in long run.I see this Tribunes' action in service of corporation and for good reputation of our corporation and not something against. It shows me they care about our growth and good name.
To close my personal opinion: I am at your disposal Colleague and my goal it to support your work and to serve the Senate....If you need something from me let me know privately or in public.
Vale,
Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Consul
 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96617 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: Re: Current Veto Nullified?
Salve iterum, Sulla. I don't think I explicitly supported the Intercessio. I just said that, in my opinion, there was some truth in Pompeia's statements about it. If you want me to say clearly whether I am pro or contra it, well, I am neither. I am neutral.

Optime vale,
Placidus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96618 From: publius_porcius_licinus Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: CORRECTION - Results of Pronouncement of INTERCESSIO

P. Porcius Licinus trib. omibus in foro s.p.d.


Yesterday, I incorrectly announced that 72 hours had elapsed from my pronouncement of INTERCESSIO.  I am grateful to Ceasar who spotted my mistake, only 48 hours had elapsed.  Therefor, the INTERCESSIO will not stand or fall until later today.  I will post a summary and revision, if needed, at that time.


We have 4 elected Tribunes.  3 of them have indicated support for the INTERCESSIO.  There is no requirement for any of them to support or oppose it, abstaining is perfectly permitted under our laws.

There are a few hours left, during which time any Tribune may change his vote.  Again, I will provide a summary at that time.


Thank you all for your patience, and please accept my humble apology for this error.


Di vos incolumes custodiant!

PUBLIUS PORCIUS LICINUS, TRIBUNUS PLEBIS

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96619 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM

SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM ON THE TRIBUNICIAN INTERSESSIO OF NOVEMBER 13th 2015

 

 

This Senatus Consultum Ultimum is enacted by the Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma, pursuant to the full authority delegated to that committee by the Senate of Nova Roma within the Senatus Consultum on Corporate Compliance.

 

1.    The Executive Committee determines that the current situation concerning the Tribunician Intercessio of November 13th 2015 is causing serious negative impact to the corporate well-being of Nova Roma Inc. as a result of the failure of the tribunes involved in sponsoring and/or supporting this intercession to abide by the terms of the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia. This situation is caused mainly by that failure of the tribunes, but also by the inherent structural flaws in the Constitution and Leges of Nova Roma.

 

2.    The Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia. requires three conditions to be met, and of those the tribune issuing the intercession has failed to identify the name of the citizen concerned, failed to establish firmly which magistrate this is issued against and most importantly failed to establish which sections of the Constitution, or which lex, have been infringed by the passage of the Senatus consulta subject of the intercession. Consequently the intercession has failed the test set out in the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia and is invalid, as per section II.A.2. The refusal of the tribunes concerned to acknowledge their errors and to withdraw the intercession has resulted in a situation where the lawful actions of the Senate of Nova Roma are compromised, and establishes a dangerous and illegal precedent that the will allow future, as well as existing tribunes, to usurp the authority of the Senate on spurious and/or factually and legally incorrect grounds.

 

3.    Therefore as a consequence of the emergency outlined at (1) above, the Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma is authorised to take such steps as it considers necessary to fulfil its mandate and/or resolve the situation at (1) above in any manner it sees fit, until such time as the Executive Committee considers that situation to have been successfully resolved.

 

4.    The Executive Committee is authorised for the period that this Senatus Consultum Ultimum remains in force, to have the level of authority granted under section V.E of the Constitution of Nova Roma, namely to supersede all other governmental bodies and authorities, and to exercise that authority as it considers necessary in order to resolve the situation at (1) above.

 

5.    The Consuls are directed to provide such assistance to the Executive Committee as the Executive Committee deems necessary, by way of issuance of consular edictum issued under the authority of this Senatus Consultum Ultimum, or in any other way the Executive Committee so determines is necessary, and further that the Consuls do not act in any manner contradictory to the authority, purpose and decision(s) of the Executive Committee.

 

6.    All other magistrates, officials and citizens of Nova Roma must not to act in any manner contradictory to the authority and/or purpose and/or decision(s) of the Executive Committee, and must provide such assistance to the Executive Committee as the Executive Committee deems necessary and requires.

 

7.    This Senatus Consultum Ultimum shall expire when the Executive Committee considers that situation to have been successfully resolved.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96620 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DICTATURA

 SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DICTATURA

 

 

This SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM is enacted by the Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma, through the exercise of all of the authority of the Senate/Board of Directors of Nova Roma granted to the Executive Committee under the authority of the SENATUS CONSULTUM ON CORPORATE COMPLIANCE.

 

 

1.    The Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma, comprising of appointed officials of Nova Roma, determines that pursuant to the methodology outlined in sections III.1 and IV of the “Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities”, the derived meaning of the word “emergency” as used in section IV.B.1 Constitution, is defined as:

 

“an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action”

 

2.    The Executive Committee has determined that based on the derived meaning at (1) above, the circumstances described in the SENATUS CONSULTUM ULTIMUM ON THE TRIBUNICIAN INTERSESSIO OF NOVEMBER 13th 2015 constitute an emergency, as so described by the Senate, for the purposes of section IV.B.1 Constitution.

 

3.    Therefore pursuant to (2) above and pursuant to section IV.B.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (citizen # 7228), censorial, consular, praetorial pontifex, proconsul and senator of Nova Roma, is appointed Dictator.

 

4.    Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (citizen # 8), princeps senatus, pater patriae, censorial, consular, praetorial and senator of Nova Roma, is appointed as Magister Equitum.

 

5.    Pursuant to (3) above and (4) above, the Dictator and Magister Equitum shall form the constituent parts of the combined office of the Dictatura.

 

6.    For the purposes of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT, §709.1. the Dictatura shall be defined as exercising the authority and powers of an Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma.

 

7.    The Magister Equitum shall be subordinate in authority only to the Dictator. Any actions and/or pronouncement of Magister Equitum shall be considered as an action and/or pronouncement of the Dictatura, unless such action and/or pronouncement is amended, and/or overridden and/or cancelled by the Dictator.

 

8.    The Magister Equitum may, if he disagrees with any action and/or pronouncement of the Dictator, resign his office forthwith by posting such a resignation on a Nova Roman public forum and/or on the Nova Roman Senate list.

 

9.    Upon such as resignation as at (8) above, the action and/or pronouncement of the Dictator that the Magister Equitum disagreed with shall be void, and the office of the Dictator shall be suspended pending a decision of the Executive Committee of the Senate of Nova Roma over the continuation or termination of the Dictatura under such amended or re-affirmed conditions as it sees fit to impose.

 

10. For the purposes of section I.A.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma and under the authority of section V.E of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the Dictator shall be deemed to have been appointed as though by Senatus Consultum and any action and/or pronouncement of the Dictatura shall be deemed to be an edict of the Dictator as defined under section I.A.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma.

 

11. The Dictatura shall remain in existence for six months from the date of the enactment of this Senatus Consultum Ultimum, or until the resignation of either the Dictator and/or the Magister Equitum, should such resignation(s) occur prior to the expiry of the six months.

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96621 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 001

DICTATORIAL EDICT 001

 

 

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..

 

 

1.    The following persons are forthwith and immediately stripped of their Nova Roman citizenship and expelled from Nova Roma and subject to a permanent membership/citizenship ban:

 

Publius Porcius Licinus (citizen # 13779)

Aulus Vergilius Figulus (citizen # 14560)

Marcus Martianius Lupus (citizen # 11054)

Sextus Lucilius Tutor (citizen # 8934)

 

2.     This edict takes effect immediately


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96622 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 002

DICTATORIAL EDICT 002

 

 

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..

 

 

1.    The following persons are forthwith and immediately stripped of their Nova Roman citizenship and expelled from Nova Roma and subject to a permanent membership/citizenship ban:

 

Decimus Curtius Papus (Citizen # 15001)

Titus Flavius Severus (Citizen # 12928)

Marcus Flavius Celsus (Citizen # 15410)

 

2.     This edict takes effect immediately

 

 

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96623 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-16
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 003

DICTATORIAL EDICT 003

 

 

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..

 

 

1.    The following persons are removed from all Nova Roman offices/positions held, including membership of the Senate, forthwith and immediately. Their citizenship remains valid and unaffected:

 

 Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus (Citizen # 10604)

 Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus (Citizen # 5934)

 Gaius Petronius Dexter (Citizen # 11584)

 Aula Tullia Scholastica (Citizen # 6596)

 

2.     This edict takes effect immediately


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96624 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-17
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 004

DICTATORIAL EDICT 004

 

 

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..

 

 

1.    The upcoming 2015 elections scheduled in the Comitia centuriata, the Comitia populi tributa, and the Comitia plebis tribute are forthwith cancelled.

 

2.     The following magistrates are ordered to remain in office until further Dictatorial edict:

 

Marcus Pompeius Caninus - consul

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix – censor

Gaia Maria Caeca - praetor

 

3.    All other persons holding elected positions shall occupy those offices until either:

a.    Further Dictatorial edict or

b.    The natural expiration of their term of office or

c.    Resignation of the incumbent

  

4.    Vacant positions will be subsequently filled by either Dictatorial edict or election.

 

5.    This edict takes effect immediately

 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96625 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-17
Subject: Update
Cn. Iulius Caesar Dictator sal.

No doubt from some of your perspectives the recent hours have seen some compelling events, to put it mildly. This is an update as to the background and some commentary on the actions taken, together with a summation of where we go next.

Firstly, the Executive Committee, created in 2013 by Senatus consultum, had the full delegated powers of the Board of Directors. As an executive committee, defined by Maine law, it had two directors; Lucius Sulla as chair and myself. It had a clear mandate to ensure corporate compliance.

Secondly, in the current situation over the intercession an impasse had been reached in the consular ability to deal with the situation. Here we had an intercessio which was incorrect in form, no correct name of the complainant, vagueness over the magistrate concerned and absolutely no section of the Constitution or any lex identified which the Senatus consulta had breached. Merely throwing sections into the intercessio and making vague comments on how they may have been breached is not by any stretch of the imagination sufficient for the test in the lex Didia. The tribunes in refusing to acknowledge this, and essentially using three people to overturn lawfully passed Senatus consulta, fundamentally broke the intercessio system, and they knew it.

Thirdly, because the tribunes would not back down, and the 72 hour deadline had passed with no change of heart by the tribunes, who knew exactly what Caninus consul’s position was, Lucius Sulla and myself conferred with him to determine the likelihood that he could resolve the situation, enlisting the aid of his colleague. The determination of Caninus consul was that no such resolution was possible.

Fourthly, based on that determination by Caninus consul it was clear that if the corporation was not to end up in the position where, if this precedent was not avoided, it could be held hostage on no grounds, action had to be taken. All business could grind to a halt at the whim of three persons, with absolutely no grounds met under the test of the Lex Didia. In the absence of any consular remedy, Caninus consul requested that the Executive Committee take action. You all know what followed from the SCUs and edicta issued.

I won’t recap the actions. Suffice it to say that the instigators of this determined attempt to destabilize the system of governance through the misuse of tribunician veto had to face what in Nova Roma is the ultimate sanction. Their continued presence inside Nova Roma posed a threat to stability and good order. Even if they had been removed from office, in my estimation, and others, they would simply have continued along the path of deliberate destabilization.  

Former consul Tutor has been removed from Nova Roma because of his abject failure to demonstrate positive leadership, provide immediate assistance to his colleague, and even when asked for support by Caninus consul Tutor’s response was essentially encouragement to the tribunes to continue. Accordingly as his continued presence in Nova Roma would be as much as a threat to good order, he had to lose his citizenship.  The removals from office of members of the Senate were necessary in my estimation to ensure the cohesiveness of the Senate/Board of Directors in this difficult time. Having a distracted and divided Senate is not in the best interest of Nova Roma. The Dictatorship is the office that affords the best chance of fixing the legislative issues and the essential structural problems between res publica and corporation.

So for now the major magistrates have been required to stay in office. Again, stability and continuity is the key here. The expulsions and removals have ceased, for now. By “for now” I mean dependent on developments over the foreseeable future.

To that end I caution everyone that dissent is expected, natural and healthy, but what will not be acceptable for the preservation of good order within Nova Roma is taking dissent to the next level of attempting to destabilize the res publica. The Code of Conduct will still be in force. Those parts of the Constitution and any leges that conflict with Dictatorial edicts are automatically overridden under the terms of the Constitution. The official Nova Roman lists will remain closed for posting until further notice.

This will not be a quick fix. There is much work to be done to resolve even the short term problem that led directly to this. Beyond that my intention is to fix those structural deficiencies, in order to limit the opportunities for continued issues of corporate compliance arising, and to provide better checks and balances. We will also be in contact in due course with provincial governors and other appointed officials.

Now let me dispel one claim that has already arisen. The funds of Nova Roma will not be touched other than for necessary and budgeted bill payments. If any emergency payment arises that isn’t budgeted the Senate will be bought into session, to debate and authorise or reject payment. This is not about money. This is not 2010 when the former Senatorial majority wanted to waste $10,000 USD. This is about structure and process, about legislation that governs us. It is about restoring structural stability and good governance to Nova Roma, and protecting the corporation and its assets.

Until further notice I hope those of you still up rest a bit easier after this update. It is not pleasant, but the worst is over (unless further disorder or tumult arises), and now ahead lies the task of fixing the inherent flaws in our system.

Optime valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96626 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-19
Subject: The way forward
Cn. Iulius Caesar Dictator sal.

This forum will reopen shortly. Please await notification from the praetors that it has opened before trying to post.

My expectation for posts here is for reasoned debate, no demagoguery and certainly no attempts to create a tumult. For the time being excessively emotional or provocative posts regarding the establishment of the Dictatura will not be approved, nor will any attempt in that vein to re-hash the events that led up to that. Those events are done and we move on. The forum will remain under moderation for the time being, and therefore posts will require praetorial approval before appearing on the list and in emails. Do not waste your time trying to breach these simple guidelines, as any posts in that vein will be rejected. Rational and reasonable questions about the current situation, and the future direction, will be welcomed. 

Please remember I read these posts too, so infraction of these simple rules is not prudent.

I can let you know that the Senate list has now reopened as I have completed speaking with its members. This is a smaller Senate numerically, but that just increases the opportunities for cohesion, to replace what had been a developing schism. I look forward to a unified House, dedicated to correcting the structural failings of Nova Roma and setting on the right path, so that it can achieve its original goals. I will shortly issue an edict detailing some additions. No deletions this time. This will be a Senatorial addition and appointments to vacant magistrates’ positions. 

I can promise you all that the changes we make will be set in concrete. The use of extraordinary and special majorities will be applied to what we produce, making it exceptionally difficult to overturn in the future. Additionally I will be introducing other safeguards so we don’t have to go through this again. The objective is the re-birth of Nova Roma and its ideals. It will retain the “big tent approach”, it will not become a theocracy, but nor will it remain a place where the only significant product is political dispute. All sides of the coin of Nova Roma’s existence will receive attention and promotion.

I will be drawing up a list of action items that need to be worked on. First among those will be the one directly connected to the events of the last week, the whole issue of the tribunician intercessio. This will be amended, in order to prevent further situations like this arising. After that elections will be held for replacement tribunes.

It is worth noting that the crisis that precipitated the establishment of the Dictatura was another founded in an inherent clash between the needs of a corporate environment and those of a res publica. That anyone could take issue with what were facets of a larger conflicts of interest policy almost beggars belief, for it is the stuff of very basic corporate ethics. Clearly there are many in Nova Roma who still don’t understand that the organization has walked a very tight high wire between the two, and that it doesn’t take much to push it off, one way or the other.

This is just the start. I and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix will see all the necessary work all done in totality. We are not going to rush this, so we will be in office as Dictator and Master of Horse for some time to come, because the problems under our mandate are many and complex. During that time normal governance will continue. I will expect the censors, consuls and praetors to keep the res publica running as normal. My focus will be on my tasks. I will not be poking my nose into their business, unless I see things going off course, or they request my assistance in resolving issues, be they with people or otherwise.

As we complete work I will be sending it to the Senate for ratification as per the Constitution. I am not presenting this as I step down, for that would be too much and illogical. If the House doesn’t ratify something I will be in office to hear why, and deal with it. I don’t anticipate that given we in the Senate are of course working as a team in the same direction.

Nova Roma’s long standing ills will be corrected and to that end if any of you have felt strongly about an issue (apart naturally from the Dictatura) then feel to post suggestions here. I can’t promise that I will adopt them, but I can promise I will review each and every one and give you feedback as to whether they can be adopted, and if not then for what reason.
I look forward to your input and to the righting the res publica. 

Optime valete


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96627 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-19
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 005
DICTATORIAL EDICT 005
 
 
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..
 
 
1.    Gaius Popillius Laenas, currently in the Senate by right of ius sententiae dicendae, is sublected as a Senator.
 
2.    Titus Iulius Sabinus is appointed as censor to the now vacant censor’s position and shall remain in office until further Dictatorial edict
 
3.    Gaius Popillius Laenas is appointed as consul to the now vacant consul’s position and shall remain in office until further Dictatorial edict.
 
4.    Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia is appointed as praetor to the now vacant praetor’s position and shall remain in office until further Dictatorial edict.
 
5.    All official Nova Roma fora administered by the praetors are on moderated status, whereby posts require pre-approval before appearing on the list concerned. Any existing edicta concerning list policies are confirmed, in addition to Dictatorial directions for the NOVA ROMA FORUM ROMANUM (this list aka "the Main List") already provided in Message 96626.
 
6.    This edict takes effect immediately.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96628 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: The Main Forum is now open.
Omnibus in Foro S.P.D.


This is to announce that this list, our main forum, is now open and
available for posting. It is currently on moderated status, which means
that all posts must be reviewed and approved before they are sent to the
list by list moderators.


Please observe the following guidelines, in addition to those set out in the
original edict that was posted for this year by the former Praetors.


1. It will considered inappropriate to post negative comments or to debate
the events that have transpired during the last several days.
2. Any post that clearly seems intended to cause discord or disruption will
be denied.


However, questions concerning the current state of things, or
nonconfrontational questions regarding the Dictatura and how it operates are
welcome, so long as they are not excuses for expressing antagonistic
opinions.


Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca Praetrix Minor




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96629 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 006
DICTATORIAL EDICT 006


I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..


1. The province of Pannonia is forthwith and immediately restructured.

2. The area of land contained within the Regio Marcomannia of the province of Pannonia, consisting of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, becomes a province in its own right, named Provincia Marcomannia.

3. The remainder of the province remains within the territorial jurisdiction of the province of Pannonia.

4. The province of Venedia, consisting of Poland, is abolished and the administration of the area of land formerly within that province is transferred in its totality to the province of Marcomannia.

5. Tiberius Iulius Nerva (citizen # 13981) is forthwith appointed governor of Provincia Marcomannia as legatus pro praetore.

6. This edict takes effect immediately.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96630 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Latin Composition Contest

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D. 

Today (well, yesterday by now) I received another notice from the Ascanius organization, which focuses on classical education, both Latin and Greek, for children of elementary and middle school age.  This one deals with a writing competition in Latin, which might interest those of you with children  up to college age, and / or those who have relatives / neighbors / friends in that range who are interested in the classics.  As some of you may be aware, there is a Latin textbook geared to elementary school children, 'Minimus,' and several standard children's books have been translated into Latin, including, but not limited to, Pinocchio [Pinoculus], Through the Looking Glass [Alicia per Speculum], Winnie the Pooh [Winnie Ille Pu], Le Petit Prince / The Little Prince [Regulus], the first two Harry Potter books (the first is also available in classical Greek), and several of the works of Dr. Seuss. The latter should be simple enough (I have a couple of them), but the others require more advanced Latin skills, including the subjunctive, which is typically taught in second, not first, year Latin, although in Sermo we teach everything as it comes along.  

As the ML does not allow attachments, I expect that the notice from the Ascanius organization I am pasting below will be mutilated, but should be legible.  In case it isn't, this contest, called SCRIBO, is open to all students from kindergarten to college.  Entries are limited to 1000 words / 10 pages, may have illustrations (not required), be in the form of poems, original short stories, or comics.  There is a fee of $5 per entry or $20 per school (discounts for home schools, etc.); registration must be accomplished by December 11th and entries received by the 18th.  Judging will be by certified Latin teachers / professors, and prizes awarded.  The link below should be active enough to allow registration and further information to interested parties; I suspect that there are other teachers among the citizenry--and know of a couple.  I encourage our citizens to demonstrate their love of the classics by encouraging such entries in their children and any other eligible parties.  There still are schools which teach Latin…and we teach it online, but generally to those 17 and older.  Our students might qualify... 

Valete. 

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  • Participating teachers and the very best scorers will receive a free CD or PDF of the top entries, including multiple entries from each level
  • Knowledge that your school is supporting the mission of Ascanius: The Youth Classics Institute to bring Latin and Classical Studies to our youngest scholars

Scoring: All entries will be judged by Latin teachers and professors who have training in Latin composition and/or oral Latin, using the following categories: grammatical and syntactical accuracy, choice of vocabulary, quality of work, audience appeal. Entries in the running to be in the top 20% will be scored by at least one additional judge.

Cost: $5 per student plus a $20 school fee. Discounts for Title I schools, home schools, Ascanius members, and teachers paying out of pocket.

Registration & Submission: Once you register for the contest, you may pay (online via PayPal or by mail) your registration fee. You may also submit your students' entries (electronically, in PDF format) at that time. Note that your school must register and pay no later than December 11. Entries must be submitted by December 18. Results, awards, and CD's should be in the mail by April 22!

Visit www.ascaniusyci.org/scribo for samples of past entries, sample project ideas, detailed rules, and to register!

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promoting the study of the ancient Greco-Roman world on the elementary and middle school levels.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96631 From: MajikPiG Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: An Apology and Hope for the Future
L. Marius Vestinus omnibus S.P.D.

I would like to apologize publicly to C. Iulius Caesar and everyone for my part in the fanning of the flames that have led to the necessity for this strong action. The fires of passion can burn as easily as they can give heat to inspire innovation. Our ancestors knew this truth, and we, having forgotten it, have allowed ourselves to fall victim to it. Caesar's quick action has extinguished the house fire, and for that I thank him.

Furthermore, I would like to encourage all citizens of the Republic to use their passion for the betterment of Nova Roma. Caesar's NR Reborn can provide for us the vision to improve the organization for the future.

May Dominus Mercurius provide a clear path for us; may Dominus Volcanus help us prevent such fires in the future; may Domina Concordia guide our leaders and our discourse in a harmonius manner, and may Domina Fortuna bless us with her bounty.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96632 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Glad to See The List Open

Salvete Omnes -


Good to see the list open and I hope to see NR and the list return to normal activity.


Valete,


C. Popillius Laenas

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96633 From: lmariusvestinus Date: 2015-11-20
Subject: Re: An Apology and Hope for the Future
Sorry, I meant Cn. Iulius Caesar and mistyped.
-Vestinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96634 From: gattarocanadese Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Test
Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96635 From: Jim Hooper Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Re: Test
Loud and clear
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus



On Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:20 AM, "charlesaronowitz@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Test


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96636 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: Re: Test

Received.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96637 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-21
Subject: seeking help in the Praetura
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

The Praetors are seeking a scribe who has fairly extensive hands on WIKI
experience to assist us in a specific project. If you have WIKI experience,
including uploading and placing material, please contact us directly. You
can do this either by using the email feature on the Album Civium, or by
sending your information and experience in an email to the Nova-Roma owners
list.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Valete Bene!
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96638 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Thanksgiving Holiday

C. Popillius Laenas Omnibus SPD -


For my fellow American who celebrate the subject holiday, have a great one.  It is always nice to have a few days off.


For any cives who's countries have armed forces engaged around the world, a swift prayer to Mars to protect them.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96639 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Holiday
Salve amice

Indeed. Happy Thanksgiving to you, yours, and all who celebrate it, from the "frozen north" above you ;)

Vale bene
Caesar


From: "gaiuspopillius@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
C. Popillius Laenas Omnibus SPD -

For my fellow American who celebrate the subject holiday, have a great one.  It is always nice to have a few days off.

For any cives who's countries have armed forces engaged around the world, a swift prayer to Mars to protect them.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96640 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Praetorian Edict: appointment of scribes
Praetorian edict: appointment of scribi

1. C. Cornelius Macer is appointed as scribus in the Praetura. This
appointment takes effect immediately, and no oath is required.
2. Q. Fabius Celer is appointed as scribus to the Praetura. This
appointment takes effect immediately, and no oath is required.
3. This edict takes effect immediately.
Given under our hands on this date
Sta. Cornelia Juliana Aeternia Praetrix
C. Maria Caeca Praetrix.
IX Kal. Dec. ‡ M. Pompeio C. Laenate cos. ‡ MMDCCLXVIII a.u.c.
GN. Iulius Caesar Dictator, Caninus, Laenas Cos.








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96641 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Avete Omnes,

I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving, an amazing time with friends, family and football, and plenty of Turkey and side dishes. :)

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96642 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2015-11-25
Subject: Steam sale
Avete Omnes,

I just found out that Steam is having a HUGE sale on computer games and a good amount of that are Roman themed games.

There are over 8000 items on sale.


Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96643 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!
Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone who celebrates it a
wonderful Thanksgiving day, and hope that you will take a moment to give
gratitude for those things which bring joy and well-being into your lives.
If you don't celebrate this Holiday, well, gratitude is never inappropriate
:).

Valete quam optime!

C. Maria Caeca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96644 From: C. Cornelius Macer Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Holiday
Salvete omnes!

Whether you celebrate Thanksgiving or not where you are from, I hope everyone has a great day today, and we can all take a moment to remember what we are thankful for this year. If you do celebrate, enjoy your turkey and stuffing coma. I know I will. :P

Vale bene!
C. Cornelius Macer



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C. Popillius Laenas Omnibus SPD -

For my fellow American who celebrate the subject holiday, have a great one.  It is always nice to have a few days off.

For any cives who's countries have armed forces engaged around the world, a swift prayer to Mars to protect them.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96645 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving omnes!
With a lot of left overs, I just may get that little black cat to brush up 'gainst my legs. But beware o little black cat; for if Papa nepos di Augustus gets his hands on you, surely you'll end up like my last black cat - disappeared.
I thinks Pop picked him up and slammed him (my Dad is quite the ancient Tiberius) & he has that "King Herod" kind of jealousy -- nice guy but boy is there a dark side.
Happy Holidays amicae,
Tiberius Marcius Quadra

From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving, an amazing time with friends, family and football, and plenty of Turkey and side dishes. :)

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96646 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2015-11-26
Subject: "GO" or it's Gone .. Re: [Nova-Roma] Steam sale
Salvete Romans,
Nice set of games.
Though I am not a gamer, I am a strategist, so I share with you what our neighbors* play.
It's a game called "Go" where the name of the game is to own all or as much of the board (real estate, properties, townships, cities, etc). Play well or don't complain that the Chinese are taking over: Video Tutorial for the Game of Go - Part I, Overview (WeiQi, Baduk)
Valete,
(Augustus Caesar) Tiberius Marcius Quadra (Nero Romano Germanicus)
*as I'm at the "tip of spear" i.e. Guam USA, I get to see just how nice foreigners are to Americans. THEY'RE NOT and their struggle, just as valid as ours (Americans, Romans), includes a serious work ethic.


From: "Robert Woolwine robert.woolwine@... [Nova-Roma]" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com  
Avete Omnes,

I just found out that Steam is having a HUGE sale on computer games and a good amount of that are Roman themed games.

There are over 8000 items on sale.


Enjoy!

Vale,

Sulla


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96647 From: cmc Date: 2015-11-27
Subject: Praetorian Edict, appointment of scribes
Omnibus in Foro S.P.D.

I am reposting this edict to correct my error, and I apologize to you,
Celer! I did not intend to place you in an entirely different Gens!

Praetorian edict: appointment of scribes

1. C. Cornelius Macer is appointed as scribus in the Praetura. This
appointment takes effect immediately, and no oath is required.
2. Q. Flavius Celer is appointed as scribus to the Praetura. This
appointment takes effect immediately, and no oath is required.
3. This edict takes effect immediately.
Given under our hands on this date
Sta. Cornelia Juliana Aeternia Praetrix
C. Maria Caeca Praetrix.
IX Kal. Dec. ‡ M. Pompeio C. Laenate cos. ‡ MMDCCLXVIII a.u.c.
GN. Iulius Caesar Dictator, Caninus, Laenas Cos.








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96648 From: gnaeus_iulius_caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 007

DICTATORIAL EDICT 007

 

 

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..

 

 

1.    In order to ensure that in the future that magistrates and appointed officials can verify the membership of official Nova Roman lists more effectively, only one email address for subscription to such official lists will be permitted.

 

2.    The email address chosen by each citizen for the purpose of subscription to official lists, and to receive email from them, must be the same as recorded in their censorial account.

 

3.    Email addresses in the censorial account can be updated by logging into the “My Account” section of a citizen’s Album Civium page, by entering the following details in the “name or email” box on the top right of the page: full Nova Roman name (correctly spelled with no abbreviations), or email address recorded in the censorial records for the citizen, or his/her citizen ID number. Then enter the password for the censorial account page (there is a prompt if that has been forgotten). Then click on the hyperlink to “MY ACCOUNT”. In the third box on the left hand side of that page is a space to enter an email address. Make sure this is the one selected for subscription to all official Nova Roman lists, and if not update it and remember to click the “SAVE CHANGES” button at the bottom of the page.

 

4.    Multiple addresses used by a citizen to subscribe to an official Nova Roman list is forthwith not permitted. Each citizen may only have one email address for subscription to official lists.

 

5.    A transition time is now in effect for the full implementation of this edict. A series of warnings will be issued reminding citizens to comply with this edict, after the expiry of which the official Nova Roman lists will be checked for compliance and email addresses that do not match censorial records will be removed from the list(s) concerned.

 

6.    Citizens are advised to update their email address in their censorial record as soon as possible.

 

7.    Not included under the scope of this edict are magistrate’s cohors lists (as they are limited in membership and identities should be known), family and/or gens lists, the Back Alley, and private lists.

 

8.    This edict takes effect immediately.

 

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96649 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: (no subject)
DICTATORIAL EDICT 008
 
 
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..
 
 
1.    The Nova Roman official list known as “The Nova Roma Announce list” is immediately restricted to Nova Roman citizens only. No new non-citizen subscriptions will be accepted. The list address is:
 
 
2.    After the expiry of the warning time for the provisions of Dictatorial Edict 007 to take effect (relating to one email address only for all official lists), all non-citizen email address will be removed from the Nova Roma Announce list.
 
3.    This edict takes effect immediately.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96650 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2015-11-29
Subject: DICTATORIAL EDICT 008
DICTATORIAL EDICT 008
 
 
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict..
 
 
1.    The Nova Roman official list known as “The Nova Roma Announce list” is immediately restricted to Nova Roman citizens only. No new non-citizen subscriptions will be accepted. The list address is:
 
 
2.    After the expiry of the warning time for the provisions of Dictatorial Edict 007 to take effect (relating to one email address only for all official lists), all non-citizen email address will be removed from the Nova Roma Announce list.
 
3.    This edict takes effect immediately.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96651 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2015-11-30
Subject: Oath of Office

I, John Keith Sterne / Gaius Popillius Laenas do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, John Keith Sterne / Gaius Popillius Laenas swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, John Keith Sterne / Gaius Popillius Laenas swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, John Keith Sterne / Gaius Popillius Laenas swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, John Keith Sterne / Gaius Popillius Laenas further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 96652 From: iulius_sabinus Date: 2015-11-30
Subject: Oath of office.

SALVETE!


I, Adrian Zavoianu / Titus Iulius Sabinus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,  Adrian Zavoianu / Titus Iulius Sabinus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I,  Adrian Zavoianu / Titus Iulius Sabinus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I,  Adrian Zavoianu / Titus Iulius Sabinus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I,  Adrian Zavoianu / Titus Iulius Sabinus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Censor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


VALETE,

T. Iulius Sabinus